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I'm not sure what I'm looking at here - 21.5" double barrel hammer gun marked "F Williams" on the lockplates, "Laminated Steel" on the rib. Has the vibe of a very old bar gun?

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10 gauge shells fit, but you can see the '12' markings.
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So - any guesses as to the age?



Pre-existing related threads for easy reference

F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included)
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=199311&page=1

Fred Williams English Maker
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=174888&Searchpage=1&Main=15884&Words=%22F.+Williams%22&Search=true#Post174888
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by Drew Hause
Drew Hause
This works and I doubt if this F. Williams was the maker
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=174888

Looks to be 1868-1875

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"Laminated Steel" on lower quality guns usually means Twist
I agree the barrels were almost surely cut.
If the chamber was bored out to 10g and barrels honed, careful measurement of the wall thickness from breech to muzzle, by an expert, is required. Please let us know the chamber and bore dimensions.
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by mc
mc
Looks like a sass gun
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by AGS
AGS
The same situation exists for all old shotguns with with 2-1/2" chambers, but doesn't put people off them. There are about as many shells available commercially for 2-7/8" 10's as 2-1/2" 12's (meaning around none). Reload and enjoy, if the gun is safe. I have 5 or 6 and they are some of the most enjoyable guns I shoot. Not really that much more effective than a 12 with low pressure loads, but fun.
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by Dan S. W.
Dan S. W.
Originally Posted by KY Jon
So your bore is .760 based on the muzzle measurements. A 10 bore has a .775 bore as a standard so your is slightly tighter. Often 10 we’re bored to 11 bore diameter and 12’s to 13 bore. Your might have always been a 10 with a bore that was 12 which is now bigger because it got cleaned up several times to remove pitting.

I had a hammer gun that was proved as a 12, at .729 presumably, that had been hogged out to .783. The weird thing was that it was really clean looking on the outside and even had a little case color left.
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by Drew Hause
Drew Hause
Chamber entrance of .856" is the 10 gauge standard.
.760" bore would have been marked 11/1 at the time of proof.
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