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Birdog, Bluestem, bushveld, Chukarman, graybeardtmm3, John Roberts, Marc Ret, Parabola, Stanton Hillis, Ted Schefelbein
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#631331 06/11/2023 3:27 PM
by Robertovich
Robertovich
Terry Wieland excelled in Gray`s Sporting Journal, declaring the Boss O/U with Robertson`s ejectors as "self-opening". A lot of colleagues rightly wrote on Facebook he was wrong. But no one reacted to Wieland's statement there aren`t another self opening O/U. Actually there are only two that shotguns. These are their locks. Maybe someone knows?
To refresh the memory https://wp.me/p461yQ-jF

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#631396 Jun 12th a 11:16 PM
by LeFusil
LeFusil
Originally Posted by Chukarman
Dickson made a few 'side opening' O/U guns. I believe that D Mackey Brown's O/U is an easy opener (assisted opening) gun. A true Self Opener springs open whether the locks are cocked or not. Purdey and Henry Atkin come to mind.

Also, Lancaster offered a Spring Open boxlock not patterned on the ANSON & DEELY action. Pretty cool, but I have never seen a 'best' version of the gun... always 'colonial' models.

The Beesley designed self opener action used by Lancaster is a true self opener and the action could be had in both sidelock and body action models. I own 2. Both top quality, the sidelock being “Best grade”. Lancaster called this the Model A.
The body action gun I own is not colonial grade, it’s the nicest grade that Lancaster made in that action. It only cost a few pounds less than the sidelock model in 1896.

Body action circa 1896
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Sidelock circa 1894
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#631388 Jun 12th a 09:58 PM
by Stanton Hillis
Stanton Hillis
A well used later series Browning O/U will qualify as "self opening", too.
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#631407 Jun 13th a 12:29 PM
by BrentD, Prof
BrentD, Prof
The distance between the cuts look quite a bit less than the distance between the firing pins. Those two distances should be the same if they are to affect primers, no?

Crazy cool gun though.
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#631404 Jun 13th a 11:09 AM
by Parabola
Parabola
From their shape and position they look like they may have been intended to avoid catching on an insufficiently seated primer?
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#631406 Jun 13th a 12:19 PM
by Daryl Hallquist
Daryl Hallquist
Stan, and Parabola, here's a view of the standing breech. It appears Parabola is correct.

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#631421 Jun 13th a 06:56 PM
by Robertovich
Robertovich
Colleagues I hope you were able to read the article despite all the shortcomings of Google Translate. There are only two O/U with the real self opening action Beesley`s type. I showed their locks in the photos. The first is O/U of Nerio Cortesi from Italy. This shotgun exists in a single copy. The second is MTc-9 from Tula. Less than 100 copies were made.

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