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Posted By: gjw English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 04:00 PM
Hi all, just was curious to see what some of you have in the way of English guns. Here's my battery:

Edward & George Higham, 12b, BLE
William Palmer Jones, 12b, BLE
Samuel Allport (HammerGun), 12b
Charles Boswell 2d Quality, 16b, BLE
Webley & Scott Model 500 Grade 2, 16b BLE

So...what do you have?

All the best!

Greg
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 04:09 PM
I have a couple:

12ga E.M. Reilly & Co BLE
16ga Webley & Scott 700 BLE (Abercrombie&Fitch import)
Mid-grade Scott 12ga Hammer-gun circa. 1887
...Geo
Posted By: bamboozler Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 06:37 PM
I've only got one English gun at the present---a 12-ga. John Blanch & Son sidelever back-action hammergun with 30" damascus bbls. I would like to find another English gun...a dainty .410 toplever back-action hammergun with steel bbls and a London address....any leads would be appreciated!



Posted By: gjw Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 06:46 PM
Hi, here's a .410 with a London address:

http://www.vintagedoubles.com/inventory.php?sort=1&process=fullview&gunID=1279

Good luck!

Greg
Posted By: bamboozler Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 06:51 PM
Thanks for the link Greg, but I'm holding out for one with at least 28" tubes.
Posted By: H&H12 bore Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 07:34 PM
try this link

http://www.cotswoodgunroom.com/10400/info.php?p=2&pno=0
listing number 298 - halfway down the page

Best
H&H
Posted By: smlekid Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 07:52 PM
T Wild BLNE 12g game gun
Holloway & Co 12g Pidgeon gun
G E Lewis 20g BLNE Game gun
The GE Lewis is pretty much a wall hanger the barrels are way out of proof and overall it is quite rough
the others are still OK and get used
Posted By: lagopus Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 08:32 PM
Greg, I daren't list them in case the wife sees this page!

Bamboozler, you may find a .410 with a London address but a pound to a pinch of muck it will have been made in Birmingham. Lagopus.....
Charles Boswell, 10 hammer damascus, 3 SLEs in 12, 2 sleeved, 1 damascus
Bentley and Playfield, 12 BLE best grade, damascus
Charles Hellis, 2 BLE 12s (my composed pair)
Charles Lancaster, Beesley built, BLE 12 self-opener, damascus
Jefferies, snap action 12 hammer, sleeved
Thomas Turner, LW 12 BLNE, damascus, 5 3/4lb with scalloped stock (a quail killing machine)
WW Greener G-Gun, 12 BLE (kinda), damascus
Wm Moore & Grey, 14 SLNE, Jones Underlever, damascus
Charles Lancaster, 14 hammer, Jones Underlever, damascus
Cox and Clarke, 16 BLNE, 2 barrel damascus set
W. Horton, 20 hammer, Jones Underlever, damascus
Tolley, 28 hammer, Toplever, damascus
British no-name, .410, central hammers, SXS, sidelever, steel bbls
(.410 Birmingham proofs, not nitro, an early gun) 28" bbls, 15 3/4" LOP, 4 1/4 lbs)
577x500 BPE EM Riley, snap action, self-cocking hammergun
Several project guns not worth mentioning yet.

Joe
Posted By: George L. Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 09:19 PM
Bob Rowley, you are definitely right! I am revising my previous post; E.M. Reilly 4 bore hammergun. 36 inch barrels, Jones underlever, original case w/ accessories and period cartridges.
James Beattie 8 bore hammergun. 36 inch barrels, Jones underlever.
Joseph Braddell 8 bore hammergun. 36 inch barrels, Jones underlever
Radcliffe & Guignard, Columbia, SC 12 bore percussion hammergun
Westley Richards 12 bore percussion hammergun
H.J. Hussey 12 bore six pin sidelock Imperial Ejector two barrel cased set.
W.W. Greener 20 bore boxlock ejector four pounds even.
E.J. Churchill 25 boxlock ejector
James Purdey 10 bore hammergun, 34 inch barrels, Jones underlever
Thomas Turner .577 600 BPE hammer double rifle from the R.J. Reynolds collection

Quality does count and not merely quantity.......George


Best Regards, George
Posted By: King Brown Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 09:40 PM
1913 Army and Navy 12ga IC/M sold for seven pounds, seven shillings bought by me for $600 will be my only English gun and among last to go.
Only one English gun. An I. Hollis SLNE, 2 1/2" chambers and 30" damascus tubes, nitro proofed.

Stan
Posted By: Remington40x Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 10:05 PM
Issac Hollis 10 gauge hammer gun
Thomas Turner 12 gauge BLE
BSA Martini Model 12/15
Greener custom small frame Martini .22 Long Rifle
Several custom Martini cadets - .38 Special, .219 Zipper, .225 Winchester

I'm always looking for nicely done small frame Martini Cadets that have been converted to custom varmint or sporter rifles.
Posted By: rabbit Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 10:56 PM
No-name 12-bore Brum boxlock for W.& S. Davies, Brighton. Spaniard H&H copy.

jack
Posted By: Sven Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 11:10 PM
Only one, and my first foray into English guns... a bargain basement J F Smythe labeled Birmingham BLNE 12. Sure feels svelte in the hands compared to my pound heavier Beretta GR-2.

Posted By: Mike Bonner Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 11:37 PM
Wm Evans BLE, 12 bore Best Gun (probably a Scott)
Birmingham BLNE, 12 bore, marked to an unknown peddler of bicycles from Dundee
Cogswell and Harrison BLNE 12 bore, 3" plain jane fowler
J Manton, BLNE 16 ga.....but what does ELG stand for?.....LOL
And a magnificent Joseph Lang 12 bore underlever trigger plate, under restoration, stock repairs undergoing now, barrels next.
Mike
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/09/10 11:57 PM
James B. Warrilow 12ga BLNE

Chas. Hellis 2" 12ga. BLE

Webley & Scott 12ga. 700 BLE (1964, NIB)

A lovely little unmarked 28ga single barrel percussion gun.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 12:02 AM
W.& C. Scotts & Sons...all hammer guns and sidelocks.
I reckon I'd best not say....
Posted By: Dave K Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 01:02 AM
Charles Hellis 12 bore BLE
Two W.& C. Scott hammerguns, a composed pair
A patr of Webley and Scott model 700's in 12ga.
T.& H. King 12ga. BLNE
W. & C. Scott 16ga. hammergun
J. D. Dougall BLNE 20ga. (30 inch Damascuss)
Joe-

What's the story on the Boswells and the Greener? They sound like nice guns.

OWD
Posted By: wburns Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 01:56 AM
Cross Brothers Underlever and a EJ Churchill Boxlock. Both are 12 bore.
Posted By: Chicago Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 01:58 AM
Army & Navy 16 bore, SLNE built in 1904
Stensby 12 bore, BLNE from about 1935.
Posted By: FlyChamps Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 02:03 AM
Just one, a 16 bore Jones underlever Joseph Lang hammer gun completed March 6, 1866. It was rebarreled in damascus by James Woodward probably before 1882 and maybe even in or before 1872 depending on which authority you believe for Woodwards name change from "James Woodward" to "James Woodward and Sons".

She's a sweet shootin' little 16.
Posted By: montenegrin Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 02:19 AM
H&H Royal Ejector 12g
WW Greener BLNE Best Grade 16g
WW Greener BLNE Royal Grade 16g
-All are antique (pre-1899)
Posted By: PM Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 03:00 AM
C H Weston 16 sleeved
Westley SME 12
Westley Fauneta 20
Holland paradox
Greener 4
Posted By: GJZ Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 03:06 AM
Have you found a source of ammo for your Fauneta?
Posted By: eightbore Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 03:09 AM
Big Greener Royal hammer 8, little Westley bar in wood 8, big Baltimore marked Alex McComas 8, Coggie sideplated Avant Tout factory crossover game gun, a bird killing machine. Of course, the other three will kill a bird also, if pressed.
Posted By: Tinker Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 03:27 AM
No British guns, but there are British rifles.
-Westley Richards TLH 16bore Double Rifle (3" case!!)
-Purdey 20bore Double Rifle (lever under guard)
-WJ Jeffery 6.5mm Mannlicher sporting rifle (Sweet!)
-Westley Richards .303 Lee-Speed sporting rifle (Sweet!)

I haven't seen any sign of my vault in months, as we're preparing for our move over the Sierras OUT OF CALIFORNIA in the coming weeks.

I can't wait to get settled and back out in the timber for another hunt.




Cheers
Tinker
I buy American.
Posted By: PM Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 04:03 AM
Originally Posted By: GJZ
Have you found a source of ammo for your Fauneta?

I have some put together by Tom Armbrust. The velocity is right but the rounds need some adjustments( maybe minor) for my gun but they work well in other Faunetas. Capped bullets are in the works but could be a couple of years off. Do you have a rifled choke 20?
Posted By: Replacement Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 04:56 AM
Only one Brit gun, a lovely little Lacey (Birmingham) 12 bore hammer gun with laminated steel barrels and black powder proofs, built sometime prior to 1890. Feels like a 16, and purchased from one of the good members here.
Posted By: PM Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 05:38 AM
Originally Posted By: doubletrouble
I buy American.

So do I but not exclusively.
OWD,

I forgot 2 other Boswell guns:
12 hammer pigeon gun, 30" damascus, pitted bores, checkering worn smooth. The original case is in better shape than the gun. Bores are proofed 13/14, chambers are 2 1/2 12. There is room for honing. It is a best hammer pigeon, just shot to near death.
The other project is a very early Boswell 12 top-lever hammer, early wedge forend, non-rebounding back action gun. It has the same early address the 10 hammer has (Edmond St). The SN is in the 2xxx range. It has badly blued damascus barrels and pits you wouldn't drive a 4x4 through.
The 10 bore, SN 7016, is really early, 32" bbls, 2 5/8 nitro. I think it is on an 8 bore frame as the fences are huge. I use it in Vintager 10 events. Patent marks date it to around 1878.
The 3 SLE's are 12290 sleeved, 2nd grade, 13030 sleeved 2nd grade, and 13330 Nitro damascus Best gun. Chris Batha has the records on 13330 for 1899. The other guns are earlier and those records are lost. I have looked at the locks of all 3 guns and they are totally different even though only 40 SNs apart. I guess Boswell sourced them from different outworkers.
The Bosell projects are guns whose barrels I'll use to learn how to brown. I have an E. Lang, Masu and Ithaca Crass all with nice Damascus patterns and badly pitted bores. I just need to finish moving and fitting out the vault workbenchs for projects.

Joe
OWD,

The Greener is 36449, from 1894. It is 30" nitro damascus, F/F, POW grip, stunning wood and freshly rebrowned. It came with the original case including a very rare G-gun cocking tool, turn screws and Greener snap caps. Sadly the case interior has fallen apart, but the goodies were all still amongst the bits.

The G-gun is an odd beast. After firing the gun the ejectors kick out the shells on opening. You have to be mindful to continuing to open the gun a little more so the gun can cock. If you don't open the gun enough to cock the hammers, IT WILL NOT CLOSE. Forcing it to close breaks it and means an expensive trip to Graham Greener to set right.

Don Amos was spinning guns at the Southern SxS April 2009. There were 3 G guns in the que. We compared guns and it was easy to spot the variations on the same action pattern.

My gun is a lower grade G. Nigel Brown's book lists a wide range of grades. I haven't sent for the history from Graham yet.

Joe
Posted By: Egerton Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 03:10 PM
Here are some that I have collected over the years Boss & Co. O/U 20gauge
E.J. Churhill Premiere O/U
W.W. Greener Imperial 12 gauge sidelock
Holland and Holland Royal rook
Holland and Holland Royal deluxe O/U
MacNaughton and son Bar-in-wood
W.C. Scott and Son Premier Imperial sxs Rook rifle
Westley Richards Ovundo
Westley Richards SxS droplock made for Neville Chamberlain
J. Woodward and Sons O/U
W.C. Scott and Son Premier
Joe-

Thanks for the info. It sounds like you have some great guns. I love G guns - beautiful stuff, superb craftsmanship. I would love to find one with a top safety. I've seen a few built with them, very few. Any chance yours has a top safety?


Egerton-

Nice guns - especially the Boss & Woodward O/Us. What's the story with the Greener Imperial and the Scott Premier shotgun? Any pics? I would love to see them. What's the vintage on the Scott? I love those Premiers.

And is your H&H O/U a newer one or one of the ones may made around WW2 (right before or after, I can't recall).

Thanks

OWD
OWD,

My Greener is the side safety version. I had an FH50 from the 1920s with top safety. I sold it years ago.

When the move is finished, I'll have a place to photo the guns and get some of the unique guns/proofs posted.

Joe
Posted By: justin Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 08:47 PM
3 guns:
Dickson&Sons,12b,round action,30",sleeved-1886
W&C Scott,12b,Monte Carlo B,30"Damascus-1895
Fredrick Beesley,12b,self-opener boxlock,30"Damascus-1885
Posted By: King Brown Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 10:07 PM
I'm odd-guy-out with A&N!
Posted By: JM Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 10:13 PM
Westley Richards
Stephen Grant
James Woodward
Posted By: GJZ Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 11:28 PM
HJ Hussey Imperial Ejector
Webley & Scott 700
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/10/10 11:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Egerton
Here are some that I have collected over the years

W.C. Scott and Son Premier Imperial sxs Rook rifle



We got to see a picture of that.
Posted By: Egerton Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/11/10 12:21 AM
Obsessed-with-Doubles
H&H Royal Over and Under was made in 1994
The Greener is like the gun in plate 205 in the book The Greener Story. This gun has no saftey and has a three tier drop side lock. The W.C.Scott Premier Imperial SxS Rook rifle was converted to a 22 Hornet it was imported into Bombay India, made in 1893. The W.C.Scott Premier SxS is a back action side lock made in 1885. I will try to post photographs of the rook rifle as soon as I can take a good picture of it.
Very nice. Thanks for the info.

The Greener you refer to in the book is a fabulous gun. Is your Greener a pigeon gun or a regular game gun?

Lets see some pics of the Premier shotgun, too.

Which type of stock does it have?

Thanks

OWD
Posted By: lvandrie Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/11/10 02:03 PM
Have a couple - W&C Scott 10ga hammer circa 1888. Army and Navy 12ga. hammer gun. Scott is my favorite duck and goose gun.
Posted By: SKB Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/11/10 02:08 PM
I am currently(and hopefully for a very long time to come) shooting a Holland Royal self opener circa 1924



I like it a lot. The Holland is in remarkably original condition.I also have an Ogden slne brummy gun that I shoot well and enjoy.
ACK! I'm so friggin' envious, SKB.

I love that original finish.

OWD
Posted By: Bob Rowley Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/15/10 01:02 AM

George L.,
Quantity and quality are very different things.
Posted By: PM Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/15/10 03:03 AM
Originally Posted By: Bob Rowley

George L.,
Quantity and quality are very different things.


?????
Posted By: Charl Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/15/10 10:48 AM
WW Greener 12g Hammer Pigeon gun with 34'&36" barrels
T Horsley 12g bar-in-wood hammer
Dickson 12g sidelock
Midland 12g b/l pigeon gun 32" barrels
A Henry 16g b/l with Celtic engraving
Posted By: GETTEMANS Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/15/10 08:27 PM
William Richards (Liverpool) 12 b BLNE
Westley Richards 12 b BLE
William Powell 12 b BLNE
Alfred Field 12 b SLNE
W.Leech (Chelmsford) 12 b SLNE
A.A.E. Smith (Birmingham) 12 b SLNE
Vickers Imperial 12 b SLNE.
Marc.
Posted By: eightbore Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/15/10 10:35 PM
Charls in South Africa, what is the provenance of your 34" and 36" Greener? For whom was such a gun made? U.S. market? Can we see some pictures of that great pigeon gun?
Posted By: trw999 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/16/10 10:07 AM
Frederick Beesley 12 SLE from 1898 (my fathers gun, bought in 1975)
Army & Navy 12 SLE from 1935
Henry Clarke & Sons, Leicester 12 BLE from around 1930 (my grandfathers gun, bought new)
(Not English: AYA .410 BLE Hammer single barrel, my first shotgun)

And on the wish list: Pair John Wilkes 20 SLE, since that is my family name too!

Tim
Posted By: Charl Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/16/10 02:12 PM
According to David Dryhurst, this gun was ordered by a Mr Palmer on the 30.9.1889. It is a treble wedgefast action, 34'barrels (M & F)and extra 36' barrels (both open cyl) It was built by amongst their best workers and of very high quality. The gun belonged to a farmer in the Howick, Natal districk in the late 1890's and just before the Boer/Brit War broke out, the gun was confiscated by the then magistrate, a mr Gedue. He liked what he saw and kept the gun for himself. I bought the gun off his great grandson unseen. I actually was told about the guncase, so I bought the case (for R750-00 or $100-00) and got the gun with the case. I have since 'restored' (i.e. cleaned up) the gun and it is quite special. I do have pictures but unfortunately don't know how to post.
Regards,
Charls
They really did make some nice guns.

12 ga. EM Rielly Jones underlever hammer damascus
Westley Richards 20 ga. Jones under lever hammer.
Webley and Scott 12 Model 700
William Palmer Jones 12 gauge Live bird gun (Hazards Club)
BSA 32" 3"mag duck destroyer.

I once bought a William Powell 12 at a gun show for $200. Nice gun too. I gave it to my best friend for Christmas and the rascal never shoots it. Should have kept it.
Posted By: George L. Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/17/10 02:36 AM
Bob: I have revised my earlier post in agreement with you that "Quality and not quantity is what really counts" BTW, you didn't mention, what's in your safe?

Best Regards, George
Posted By: Jay Swann Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/24/10 11:25 AM
Currently?

-16 bore E. Chamberlain damascus BLNE: inlaid as #2 of a pair (got the other?)
-12 bore Geo. Bate damascus BLE
-12 bore G.W. Bales, Ipswich damascus hammer gun

Gone the way of the dinosaur....

-T. Wild .410 hammergun (dammit!!)
-T. Wild 12 Bore hammer gun
-Watson & Hancock 12 bore hammer gun
-I. Hollis 12 bore hammer gun
-R. Robinson 12 bore BLNE
-Chas. Maleham 12 bore SLNE

I'm still looking for that elusive 20 bore, out of proof, off the face british gun for under $500. Mike H. had it about a year ago, but someone beat me to it!!!
Posted By: HeymSR20 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/24/10 12:13 PM
There should be a pair of Hollands over and unders in 16 bore, an old 416 Rigby and a good old english double rifle that has seen several generations of use. All should be set up for left handed use.

But just checked the cabinet and there is sadly
just my W J Jeffery 410 side by side Boxlock

There was a 410 Single Barrel "English Made" (ie no makers name) on a Ward Patent action - this is now with my nephews where it resides alongside a Stensby boxlock ejector.

I am keeping my eyes open for a nice 16 bore boxlock or even sidelock ejector for my wife to use to replace her 20 bore Rizzini.

And I want a 12 Bore Magnum side by side duck / goose gun - fed up with a Benelli

I do also have a very nice 12 bore AyA Coral over and under, that sits alongside a Ferlach built 16 bore / 7x65R combination gun and a Heym SR20 bolt action rifle in 243.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/24/10 12:19 PM
Heck George you couldn't fit all yours in a Bank vault.
Posted By: petepuss01 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/25/10 06:40 AM
w&c scott 12 ga sle
fred k williams 12 ga slne
edwinson greene&son slne hammer gun cased
all good shooters,all get used a couple of times a year
Posted By: dukxdog Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/25/10 11:09 PM
Mine is a J Blanch & Son SLE 16ga with 28" barrels made in 1906. Birmingham proofed for 2 3/4" shells. Weighs 6lbs
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 02/25/10 11:21 PM
Whatever I said before AND as of today an 1880 Greener Facile Princeps 12ga that I bought off our 'for sale' section here from one of our other members. Delighted with it, and plan to use it to smoke a Gobbler with some BP shells in about a month...Geo
W.W. Greener 12 ga f16 26" damascus
W.W. Greener 12 ga Monarch Facile Priceps fluid in the greenr book no less, but mosterous stock drop
W.W. Greener 12 ga D15 fluid
Martha did you remebr my Greeners .. The double barrels?
What i think is a Scott Action Hammer 16 ga x 450 cape fully engraved 4 leaf sight with ladder sight also(at Batchelders to be made right) Mase in ENgland for A.H White
Army Navy CSL fluid 28" BL
W.C. Scott London Dams. 10 ga hammer gun under lever (thumb), tight and nice but weighs in at ..... a whole lot
John Wilkes 28" fluid nitro proofed heavily engraved BL
dukxdog, for a first post, your Blanch makes your first about as good as it gets. Beautiful gun.
Posted By: 67galaxie Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 05:47 AM
Another great thread
Posted By: damascus Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 10:25 AM
Samuel Ebrall of Shrewsbury 12 bore Jones underlever Hammer Damascus barrels Pin Fire.
Robert Adams London 12 bore Jones underlever Hammer Damascus barrels.
Purdey Bar in Wood 12 bore Thumb Opener Hammer Damascus barrels
Webley & Scott 700 1½ 12 bore semi pistol grip two barrel sets 28 & 30 inch.
Webley & Scott 700 game 12 bore straight hand stock 28 inch barrels 2½ inch chambers.
Posted By: Roundsworth Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 12:16 PM
- Westley Richards Rook Rifle 297-250
- Purdey Single Barrel Hammerless 16 Bore
Posted By: Ithaca5E Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 03:31 PM
Only one, my great-great-grandfather's P. Webley & Sons 12 bore hammer gun (30" bbls).

Oh, I forgot a 10 ga. Manton percussion gun
Posted By: gjw Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 07:53 PM
Hi all, boy this is an old one! I've had some changes in my Brit inventory since this one was started (by me!). Here's mine now:

12b James Purdey, Best
12b Holland & Holland, Royal
12b E.J. Churchill, Premiere Quality
12b John Blanch, Best
12b Henry Atkin, Best
12b Cogswell & Harrison, Konor
12b FA Anderson, BLE
12b Joseph Harkom, Hammergun
12b Samuel Allport, Hammergun
16b John Wilkes, Best Grade SLE
16b Charles Hellis, Best Grade BLE
16b Charles Boswell, 2d Quality
16b D. Gotobed, Hammergun

An even bakers dozen.

Best,

Greg
Posted By: HeymSR20 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 08:14 PM
Alex Martin sidelock 12 with 30" and 25" ribless barrels
William Jeffery 410 side by side boxlock
Ward Patent 410 single barrel
Rigby 275 bolt action
Posted By: PALUNC Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 08:23 PM
J. Purdey, 12 bore,circa 1929
Henry Atkin, spring opener, 12 bore, circa 1927
Boss & Co., 12 bore, circa 1928
Maybe soon, John Dickson & Son, 12 bore, circa 1943
Posted By: Bartlett Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 09:19 PM
OK... here's my list with comments on a few - I plead guilty to collecting.
About 10% are "scrap" requiring sleeving etc.
About 10% are going on the market to make room for others.
About 20% are decent and functional but in the long run intended for engraving projects.
Only about 10 to 20% would be considered best guns.
They are a collection of "gumnakers" from the Northeast of England.

Jeremy

Anderson, H. F. BLE
Anderson, J. BLNE Try Gun
Anderson, J. BLE
Armstrong SLNE Rogers and Rogers Sidelock,
Armstrong SLNE
Armstrong BLNE
Armstrong BLNE Greener side safety
Armstrong BLE
Armstrong BLNE
Armstrong SLE
Armstrong SLNE
Armstrong BLE
Armstrong BLNE
Bagnall and Kirkwood BLNE
Brebner HMRb Purdey Thumb Hole Action
Brewster HMR Floating Bar Action Hammer
Burnand HMR Bar Action Hammer
Burnand MZL Percussion Back Action Hammer
Davison, G MZL percussion drum
flintlock conversion
FN SLE early 2 3/4 chamber
Gardner MZL Percussion Hammer
Gardner, J.W. SLNE Bentley Semi Hammerless
Golden, W. Pinfire Bar Action Hammer
Golden, W.M. SLE Best Sidelock
Hardy Bros. BLNE Early Anson Deely
Horsley, P. SLNE action only
Horsley, T. HMRs Horsley 1410 patent top slide, side retractors
Horsley, T. HMRs Horsley 1410 patent top slide, bottom retractors
Horsley, T. HMRs Skeletal Bar Action Hammer
Horsley, T. and Son SLE 10 pin back action sidelock
Horsley, T. and Son SLE #1 of pair
Horsley, T. and Son SLE #2 of pair
Horsley, T. and Son Pinfire Thumbhole Bar Action Hammer
Horsley, T. and Son HMR rare swing top laver variant of 1410 patent (1 of 2); retailed by
Horsley, T. and Son HMR Floating Bar Action Hammer
Horsley, T. and Son HMRb Generic Hammergun
Horsley, T. and Son SLNE 6 pin back action sidelock
modified Scott-Ellis
Horsley, T. and Son BLNE Very early Anson Deeley patent
Jackson, R HMR Back Action Hammer
Pape, W. R. HMR bar action Bar Action Hammer
Pape, W. R. Rifle Martini Henry MkII
Pape, W. R. Pinfire Back Action Hammer
Pape, W. R. HMR Thumb lever action
Pape, W. R. HMRs Thumb lever action
Pape, W. R. BLNE
Pape, W. R. BLE
Pape. W. R. BLE
Pape. W. R. BLNE Westley Richards action
Patrick, S.M. TLNE
Reid, W HMR b Bar Action Hammer
Rhodes, Frank BLNE
Richardson, W. G. BLNE
Robinson, J. BLNE
Scott, R. TLNE trigger action;
Small, Peter BLNE 3 pin Anson Deeley
Small, Peter SLE #1 true pair
Small, Peter SLE #2 true pair
Smith, Stephen H. BLNE
Smythe SLE The Victoria
Tisdall, John SLNE
Trulock BLNE
Wanless & Co BLE
Wanless Bros BLE
Watson, P. T. SLNE Gibbs and Pitt first hammerless action; lever cocking
Posted By: SKB Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 09:41 PM
Most of mine are rifles but I have two go to British shotguns and one project shotgun.

12 bore H&H royal self opener is my main shotgun
H Clarke 12 bore BLE 25" bbls, Churchill rib 6lbs even, grouse gun
I have a Wesley 12 bore fancy back ble that is a personal project gun.
my double rifle is an A Henry SLNE in .360 2&7/16" BPE
H&H in .30 Super on a PD Farq, only single built in this caliber
Westley 1897 falling block, extra finish Best in .256
H&H woodward project being re-barreled in .375 flanged Magnum
Lancaster cased best percussion .50 cal oval bore

Shotguns were my main interest but once I bought my H&H I kinda stopped looking at them.....cray I know but that one scratched my itch.
Posted By: Nick. C Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 09:42 PM
Mine's like the bargain basement after seeing and reading about the lovely guns on here so far.
W.H. Monk (Chester) 12 BLNE.
William Richards (Liverpool) 12 BLE
W. Griffiths (Manchester) 16 BLNE
Lee Enfield (BSA) 1917 sporterised .410
(All Brummie guns smile )
The Richards needs work and the Griffiths is well past its best, will probably end up a deactivated cutaway action wall hanger, shame really as it's got Ford barrels, sadly, shortened and pitted to hell.
Posted By: Remington40x Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 11:27 PM
Alfred Hollis 10 Gauge hammer gun
S.A. Leonard 12 Gauge SLE
Charles Moore 12 Gauge hammer gun
Thomas Turner 12 Gauge BLE with nitro proof Damascus barrels
Westley Richards 12 Gauge scalloped action BLE
About 15 Martini small action rifles ranging from .22 LR to .357 magnum
A Swinburn's patent Martini off being restored and rebarreled to .303 British
Posted By: canvasback Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 11:52 PM
Sold all my English except for my Tolley single barrel 12 gauge that comes in at 5 pounds flat. My favourite ruffed grouse gun.
Posted By: skeettx Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/30/17 11:59 PM
Three martini cadets, 17 Bee,17 Bee, 218 Bee
577 Snider Carbine
577-450 Rifle
Churchill One of One Thousand 30-06
Posted By: Condor Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 12:15 AM
1.James Purdey Single Barrell Trap Gun..(1929).SLE ..12 bore..2 3/4 former owners, L.S. Wing and J.M. Stimson, first cousin of H.L. Stimson, Sec. Of War under FDR...one if only 59 trap guns made by Purdey. Imported though Ambercrombie & Fitch, N.Y.

2. Holland & Holland Royal , hammer (1896).12 bore...2 1/2

3. James Woodward (1888), number 1 of a pair, 12 bore, 2 1/2 chambers. Made for the Earl of Westmoreland.

4. Westley Richards, box lock,.(1899) 12 bore...made for Louis Weil, Esq...restored by Kirk Merrington..2 3/4

5. Stephen Grant SLE, side lever,(1895).number 1 of a pair.. rebarrelled by Thomas Boss & Co. (1904).., 12 bore, 2 3/4.made for J.H. Hannay, Esq.

6. W.W. Greener, box lock,scolloped, F40,.(1903). 12 bore...2 3/4

7..Cogswell & Harrison, box lock,( 1965) 20 bore, 2 3/4. Imported though A & F...ORDERED BY Henry Montgomery of Greenwich, Conn.

8. W & C Scott, rebarrelled by Webley and Scott, 12 bore Hammer gun, 2 1/2.date undermined but later 1800'.s

9. E.J. Churchill XXV "Regal". ( 1972),12 bore. 2 3/4 chamber .made for Dr..M. Papadopoulos, Tripoli, Libya.
Posted By: Mark II Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 12:45 AM
Alex Martin BLNE; and nice Hepplestone BLE
Posted By: Jolly Bill Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 02:28 AM
Holland & Holland Hammer Gun, 12 gauge, 30" steel barrels about IC and Mod, 1 1/8 ounce Nitro Proved, 2 1/2" chambers,
Posted By: vabirddog Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 04:56 AM
A J.V.Needham (Greener) BLNE 12.
Posted By: moses Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 09:47 AM
I. Hollis & Sons SLNE 30" barrels 3" chambered pigeon gun. 12g
I. Hollis & Sons Hammer 32" steel barrels. Nice, long & light.12g
Skimin & Wood BLE 30" barrels 3" chambered pigeon gun. 12g
W. Cashmore Hammer 30" barrels 2 3/4 chambers 1 1/4 Oz. 12g
O.M
William Powell & Son, 16ga. BLNE
J.V. Needham (Greener) 16 ga. BLNE

Matt
I.Hollis & Sons 30" damascus barreled SLNE, 2 1/2" chambers, 12 ga.

And, looking for a 32", external hammer, 12 ga. pigeon gun ( I'm okay if it's British wink )

SRH
Posted By: Anonymous Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 07/31/17 09:11 PM
My current inventory;

A Stephen Grant side-lever SLE
A Stephen Grant top lever SLE
A Greener SLE
An Atkin SLE
A Lang SLE
A Rigby Hammer Gun

All 12ga
I'm down several from a few years back but still have a few: Allport underlever BL double rifle 500/450; Fraser FB 303, Cashmore BLE 12 retailed by Kirkwood Bros, Boston; Cashmore Nitro 12 bore trap, Westley Richards 14 bore percussion,1859; Shelhamer Farquharson 35 WCF, H.Hook Silver mounted percussion single barrel, .40 caliber Ca 1850.
Posted By: eightbore Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/01/17 12:16 PM
Since my last post of February 2010, I have added a cased pair of William Evans sidelock crossover guns that have become my favorite all around sporting clays and FITASC guns. I have even shot one box bird shoot with one of them, with good results. A good friend and shooting buddy let me become the custodian of his great London Rigby .375 H&H Mauser. He had it built in 1969 and has retired from hunting that requires such a gun. No, I don't need it, but I just had to have it. My next British gun may be Rocky Mtn Bill's Cashmore Nitro, which I have never seen, but know I need. Bill Murphy
Posted By: justin Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/01/17 12:58 PM
Added since 2010:
Army Navy SLNE
Grant side lever back action hammer gun
Grant BLNE
Allen BLNE pigeon gun
All 12b all Damascus
Posted By: topgun Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/01/17 01:13 PM
Since no one has this maker represented thus far, I'll add a Fredrick T. Baker to the listing. Roman numerals engraved on the gun date manufacture to 1883; a lightweight 26" Damascus BLNE with Anson and Deely action, double triggers, and straight grip. Have no idea as to grade, but the gun oozes quality and features 100% very fine rose and scroll engraving with the word "SAFE" in gold. It also features a very weird safety device that is mounted on a metal plate and inletted into the left side of the stock cheek. I've not a clue as to why someone would order such a safety device, but to operate the safely must be pulled rearwards; which is opposite one's natural inclination to push the slide forwards, so not a greatest safety device for jump shooting. My wife gave me the gun as a graduation gift in the 70's; and when received the barrels were blue leading me to believe they were steel, as they were unmarked. For several years it was the only double I owned so it was used exclusively and with all manner of loads before I learned its barrels were Damascus; but in the interim, it bagged a large truckload of game ranging in size from deer down to snipe.
Posted By: Owenjj3 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/01/17 02:03 PM
Wow those are some impressive inventories. Current British guns in my safe are as follows:

Boss & Co 12b bar action hammer, 30" (1871)
Boss & Co 16b sidelock, 30", (1905)
Boss & Co .255 Rook
Purdey .255 Rook
Edwinson Green 12b O/U ST, 29" (1911)
Purdey SLE (1897)
Norman & Son 12b boxlock (1930's)

All are used routinely in the field as intended.
Hate to say but no English doubles in my safe😕
Posted By: LGF Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/03/17 12:42 AM
Clabrough & Bros. 12 bore Damascus hammer
Greener "Far Killing Duck Gun" 12 bore Damascus hammer
Greener 12 bore EMPIRE E17 BLNE
Holland and Holland 12 bore Damascus hammer
JEFFERY 12 bore BLE shot and ball gun
Samuel Smallwood 20 bore BLNE
Samuel Smallwood 10 bore Damascus hammer
Samuel Smallwood 8 bore Damascus hammer
Thomas Wild 12 bore Damascus hammer

EVANS .470 double rifle

On the lookout for a Smallwood 12 bore hammer gun to round out the series
Posted By: GLS Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/03/17 01:38 PM
Arthur Ilsley 16 ga. BLNE 28"
E&G Higham 16 ga. BLE 29"
C.G. Bonehill 16 ga. BLNE 26"
C.G. Bonehill 16 ga. single-shot BLNE 30"
Henry Atkin 12 ga. BLE 27"
Thomas Turner LW 12 ga. BLNE Damascus 28"
Posted By: King Brown Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/03/17 05:34 PM
1913 Army&Navy 12 ga. 30"
Posted By: George L. Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/03/17 08:48 PM
Four Gauge E.M. Reilly in it's original case plus a few others.

Best Regards, George
Posted By: GaryD007 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/03/17 11:13 PM
Stephen Grant sidelock hammerless double rifle 577/500 Magnum Maharana of Udiapur

Manton 16 Bore underlever hammer Howdah double rifle

12 Bore 7 Dram Lyon and Lyon underlever hammer double rifle

Alex Henry .450 3 1/4" underlever single shot made for the Earl of Eroll the Lord High Constable of Scotland
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/04/17 01:00 AM
Original post in 2010...

James B. Warrilow 12ga BLNE

Chas. Hellis 2" 12ga. BLE

Webley & Scott 12ga. 700 BLE (1964, NIB)

A lovely little unmarked 28ga single barrel percussion gun.


Added since 2010

Webley & Scott 12ga. 700 BLE c.1955 (thanks Daryl)

W.C. Scott 12ga Hammergun, c. 1875

Hollis & Sheath 14-15 bore SxS percussion gun

Purdey's SLE c. 1894, No. 2 of a pair built for Howard Fitzwilliam
Posted By: Sam Ogle Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/04/17 01:14 AM
Only one: Purdey s/s 30" 2 3/4" "Duck" gun.
choked f/f pistol grip(original)
Was ordered in 1899, and delivered to an American in 1900.
Originally Posted By: Stan
I.Hollis & Sons 30" damascus barreled SLNE, 2 1/2" chambers, 12 ga.

And, looking for a 32", external hammer, 12 ga. pigeon gun ( I'm okay if it's British wink )

SRH


Heavens, I forgot one. 16b Manton percussion double.

SRH
Originally Posted By: 28 gauge shooter
Hate to say but no English doubles in my safe😕


Me too. I owned a Holland & Holland pre Royal with a Holland patent single trigger, the weird one that you click forward to choose the tight barrel, that was bought as an English gun project, and taught me to never try that again.

I also owned a McNaughton boxlock NE, that was a single digit before the first gun in the record book, a very early steel barreled gun with 29" tubes, straight hand stock and close to 100% engraving. Nice gun. Never gave me any trouble.

Been tempted, but, I need more guns like I need more kids.


Best,
Ted
Posted By: Lloyd3 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/07/17 04:34 PM
I love English guns for all the usual reasons, but these days the only one in my safe is this old and faithful servant:

Posted By: canvasback Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/07/17 04:43 PM
Lloyd, what an elegant looking gun!
Posted By: Lloyd3 Re: English Guns - What's In Your Safe? - 08/07/17 04:48 PM
Far-more elegant than it's owner James, thank you! We're just biding our time here.....waiting for Grousmas. About 38 days out, at the moment.
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