Bought a Lc Skeet grade with hunter single trigger. It fires the left barrel first so tried the selectoer to rt barrel first and it fires when you close the gun? Any help? Bill

Have you pulled the stock to see if the wood has swelled and is rubbing or if it just needs a good cleaning?
Mike

To my knowledge Bill, only 3 fellas in this country will work on HOTs, the innerds of which angels fear to tread

Freddie Brunner
Escondido, Ca
760-738-8413

Abe Chaber
Danbury, CT
203-748-1830

Dewey Vicknair
Ephrata, Pennsylvania
www.VicknairRestorations.com
717-626-4226

Nick or C.J. might

Nicholas Makinson
London, Ontario
519-471-5462

C.J. Opacak
Toronto
416-299-4865

Thanks guys. Will check the wood and cleaning thing before sending off. Bill

Bill, before sending gun out, I would check three screws, take the trigger guard wood screw out, lift the trigger guard out of it's fit and rotate it out of the way. Loosen the bottom trigger plate screw to top tang 1/2 to 1 turn. Screw should be flush with metal on tang. Next look at the screw under the top lever, this screw has a slanted head and has to be turned out 1 full turn to be orientated right. Either one of these two screws if they are tight will cause tension on the HOT. Also if the side plate connecting screw (long one) is a half turn too tight it could cause the sears to touch each other.

There are not too many things that can go wrong with this trigger, there are only a few moving parts and a couple of springs. The most common problem is any one of these three screws being too tight.
Whenever taking one of these guns apart with a HOT trigger that is working, is to take careful measurements from side plate to side plate, top tang to bottom of trigger plate. It is hard to take a measurement on the one under the top lever, as this one will pull the trigger plate up very tight if not careful.

Good luck and let us know if you try this before sending it out.

Just "shows to go-ya' Doc Drewbie- how limited that LC Smithian knowledge you profess so often might be. All these guys are master gunsmiths and Smithsmiths as well- but Jerry Andrews in West (By God) Virginia doesn't have to take a back seat to any of them. He is also a master Smithsmith and has installed or de-installed on many Smiths the HOT- both the first Lard (MarketBasket's grandpappy??) design with the selector, and the later than came out in the 1930's sans selector--

Here's my guess- if the machine screws that hold the lock plates in position are turned just a hair too snug, ditto the top and bottom tang machine screws, that can often be the cause of problems. Usually doubling- firing when you close the gun, after the selector has been moved from one barrel to the other- may be also in the sear engagement. Is this a FWE series Smith or a Standard frame- as the safety on a FW and FWE with the HOT has to be set up just a bit differently?

All my Smiths have double triggers, whether they are ejector or non-ejector versions. I have a Specialty Grade FWE 16 made in 1945 (according to the yellow hang tag anyway-by the serial number and the extra S added to the stampings- and if I use 1 oz. loads in it, it will sometimes double- the heavier recoil of that load "jars" the sears- no matter which of the two triggers I may 'select' to shoot first. But with RST 2.5" 7/8 oz. loads- No problemo-- works like a Rolex every time--

As I have a machine shop and welding background (waay different from yours and the esteemed Dr. Stumbledick (your pal)you will, no doubt, have noted that I said machine screws, which is the right nomenclature- and if I somehow seemed to have inferred a "Screw You- Dr. Drew ( I do like the slick-ass boater your wear for a chapeau though)in that phrasing, well Goool-EE Gomer!!!

About 40 years ago I acquired a beautiful 12 gauge single trigger LC Smith that would go off when closing, or if you got it closed it would spontaneously discharge later. I took it to a gunsmith, in Berwyn IL I believe, who charged me $75 to fix it. I didn't fire it after I got it back and then later sold it to an acquaintence in Houston TX. Thankfully I'd kept the repair receipt and gave it to the guy I sold it to, because the POS later discharged both barrels while the guy was sitting in duck blind with it.
I haven't liked either LC Smiths or single triggers ever since.
Steve

Was this "first Lard" married to Maw Paaa'ka ?

How's the "esteemed Dr. Stumbledick" fit in here....did he deliver the little "Marketbasket" ?

[quote=All my Smiths have double triggers, whether they are ejector or non-ejector versions. I have a Specialty Grade FWE 16 made in 1945 (according to the yellow hang tag anyway-by the serial number and the extra S added to the stampings- and if I use 1 oz. loads in it, it will sometimes double- the heavier recoil of that load "jars" the sears- no matter which of the two triggers I may 'select' to shoot first. But with RST 2.5" 7/8 oz. loads- No problemo-- works like a Rolex every time--[/quote]

Wow, and you feel that's good! My guns don't double no matter what load I put through them, and if one ever did I'd fix it so that it wouldn't happen again and not just switch ammo. It's just wrong putting up with that kind of s__t. "works like a Rolex...", indeed!
Steve

Maybe it's a Mexican "Rolexo" 65 bucks, any street vendor in Ensenada? Do you think Foxie sometimes gets off on the wrong foot, conversation wise? geez!

I had an Elsie with DT's that would fire on closing. Returned that one to the seller.

"Is this a FWE series Smith or a Standard frame- as the safety on a FW and FWE with the HOT has to be set up just a bit differently?"
Foxy, where did you make this up? It doesn't make any difference if the gun is an FW or FW E, the safety is still manual because now there is no room for the safety slide. The difference between the FW and Regular frame in a HOT gun is that an FW that came with two triggers and you wanted it converted to a HOT, two things have to be done, one more wood has to be mortised out where the triggers assembly is, and a channel has to be milled out in the top tang area for the spur lever to rise on the second firing. On a Regular frame only the wood has to be mortised out as these frames are larger.

As to bad mouthing Dr. Drew and Dr. Stubbendieck, Dr. Drew is too nice of a person to post anything negative, and Dr. Jim S I believe doesn't post here at all, but their knowledge of "elsies" I believe, far exceeds yours.

Francis: Jerry now maintains his own site http://elsiesmith.boardhost.com/index.php
and I stand on my recomendations for HOT repair.
As has been said before, HOTs work great...until they don't

I have owned to LC's with Hunter One Triggers (HOT) and both worked well. I had one issue with a gun doubling after it came back from a refinish that was resolved byslightly loosening a screw.

The triggers are reliable, though they are sensitive and in the hands of the over aggressive or untutored a challenge.

As for Dr. Drew and Dr. Stubbendieck, I have benefited from their knowledge and advice on the LC Association board and am grateful to them for it. I am sad for those who feel the need to stray from the focus of our board which is the exchange of double gun knowledge and our affection for the guns.

Bill, I had one in the shop that did that. Trouble was a broken selector spring.

"As to bad mouthing Dr. Drew and Dr. Stubbendieck, Dr. Drew is too nice of a person to post anything negative, and Dr. Jim S I believe doesn't post here at all, but their knowledge of "elsies" I believe, far exceeds yours."

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Doc Drew will "turn the other cheek"....me; I ain't that spiritual yet. FOX; YOU'RE A GRADE A JERK.
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I gotta side with Patriot USA and the others on this one!

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The Rolex thing was a little far fetched....he should have said works like a cheap Timex.

Mark, I'll have you look at it at Sagola show. Thanks to all for advice. Regards, Bill

Jerry Andrews is a good guy that does great work at fair prices. He repaired an Elsie stock for me quickly and for a much better price than I could find elsewhere. He has always been more than willing to help when I needed some technical advice.
CHAZ

Another possibility, and likely the problem with Run's Speciality, is that the tip of the sear has rounded and does not fully seat in the tumbler notch. Dan Lammers (who is now in CA) worked on the locks of one of my Smiths, and the first time I pulled the trigger was one of those "where have you been all my life" moments. Even starting with a machine made farm implement Smith lock , a really crisp break is a thing of wonder!
Unfortunately, my hopeless flinch is now even worse with anything but a really good trigger

You know it's blatantly obvious why you have been banned from just about every gun related BBS on the Internet.

Francis Moron, your last name is very fitting don't you think?

Dr. Drew and Dr. Stubbendieck have probably forgotten more about L.C. Smiths than you have ever dreamed of knowing.

Your ignorance is showing as usual.

Perhaps you just feel the need to bad mouth them since you were banned from the LCSCA Forum.