Selling/shipping handgun (maybe a double ;) - 02/28/12 12:01 AM
I have no doubt that this subset of the ATF/FFL out of state transport/transfer saga has been addressed but I can't find the thread with it. Just the longarm info and the ATF FAQ that would seem to cover it BUT......
First a validation; This could involve a double (derringer) or revolver but the issue would remain the same since it is a handgun left out of state (and possibly returned).
I am in People's Republik of New Joisy and legally own a handgun that I might want to sell to someone in Wellesboro Pa.
I was there visiting a friend and left some guns for future use or possibly to be sold later. Guns are in the cases that I transported them in and stored in the back of his safe for now. He is not a currently a FFL (used to be and does some stock work and such on the side). I left a copy of my NJ Firearms ID (not FFL) and my driver's license for proof of ownership in case it was needed.
The FFL he currently uses now says that to transfer the handgun to him, or a local buyer, that I MUST be present and sign the forms in front of him. He also insists that if I want it returned to me that it can only be shipped FFL to FFL.
If I read the ATF FAQ correctly, with some leeway on what is transportation/shipping to/from someone for my own use, it does not need to be sent thru a FFL if returned to me since he has not formally transferred the gun from me.
His FFL also had previously insisted that I send my local FFL copy to him for him to accept it, even though it doesn't look like that to me.
Obviously I won't get his FFL to agree to anything outside of his comfort zone. The question now is can I legally have it shipped back to me directly from my friend as a gun that was left for my own use there or do I have to involve FFLs at both ends to get it back.
I can theoretically drive out there (about 9 hours round trip & $150 gas) to pick it up myself and bring it home?
Yes, I know that I should have worked this all out beforehand.
PM/email me if anyone lives out there and comes east or ????
What a PITA!
Thanks.
First a validation; This could involve a double (derringer) or revolver but the issue would remain the same since it is a handgun left out of state (and possibly returned).
I am in People's Republik of New Joisy and legally own a handgun that I might want to sell to someone in Wellesboro Pa.
I was there visiting a friend and left some guns for future use or possibly to be sold later. Guns are in the cases that I transported them in and stored in the back of his safe for now. He is not a currently a FFL (used to be and does some stock work and such on the side). I left a copy of my NJ Firearms ID (not FFL) and my driver's license for proof of ownership in case it was needed.
The FFL he currently uses now says that to transfer the handgun to him, or a local buyer, that I MUST be present and sign the forms in front of him. He also insists that if I want it returned to me that it can only be shipped FFL to FFL.
If I read the ATF FAQ correctly, with some leeway on what is transportation/shipping to/from someone for my own use, it does not need to be sent thru a FFL if returned to me since he has not formally transferred the gun from me.
His FFL also had previously insisted that I send my local FFL copy to him for him to accept it, even though it doesn't look like that to me.
Obviously I won't get his FFL to agree to anything outside of his comfort zone. The question now is can I legally have it shipped back to me directly from my friend as a gun that was left for my own use there or do I have to involve FFLs at both ends to get it back.
I can theoretically drive out there (about 9 hours round trip & $150 gas) to pick it up myself and bring it home?
Yes, I know that I should have worked this all out beforehand.
PM/email me if anyone lives out there and comes east or ????
What a PITA!
Thanks.