Nov;1 2012,
The Conservative Government of Canada announced that it completed, October 31 2012,a core election promise,that all records related to registration of long guns;excepting those pertaining to the Province of Quebec, have been destroyed.
In the case of Quebec;the Provincial Government has in place a temporary injunction preventing destruction of Provincial records.The issue of the Quebec records will likely ultimately be decided by the Federal Supreme Court.
The goverment stated that they will continue to target criminals using firearms and not law abiding Canadians.
This is welcome news to all legitimate Canadian gun owners.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done OH CANADA!!
Mike

Good job Canadians! I toast you with a shot of American bourbon.

Well I'm a Newfoundlander (Canadian too ,and thus tormented by the same law ;)) which basically mean's I'm Irish...so tonight I'm toasting with a shot of Jamison !!!

I wonder what happens to the records for Americans who have their pal and registered their guns so they could bring them into Canada without paying a fee every time they come? If they hang onto their little registration cards, can they get them in without paying a fee if they were previously registered?

If we get 4 more years of the socialist and his band of merry men and women I may just head to Canada.......probably have to give my collection of handguns to Skeettx since Canada still has restrictions on those.

I believe it's the first time ever that a federal gun registration has been reversed.

Yes, good news. Obviously the people of Quebec cannot be trusted according to their government.

Congratulations to Canadian gun owners! But just a thought... how hard would it be for some Liberal still involved in the Canadian Government to have backed-up or saved a copy of those records for future use?

Well Keith, of course that's what we are worried about.

A great many of us sold significant portions of our gun collections in the dying days of the registry, filing the paperwork that confirmed those sales. Of course, when we bought replacements, those guns were no longer required to be registered so whatever documentation the government has is significantly out of date. In my case, I sold all my guns. Every last one. Then in the last month of the registry, the addiction came back and I bought one shotgun.

However, we are still required to be licensed and that will always give the government a pretty good idea of who has guns.

And as pleased as we are about reversing the trend towards gun control, I don't think Canada is a first in this regard. I believe New Zealand has a leg up on us in this regard.

Thanks for clarifier on first-reverse, canvasback.

Thanks James. That's a good strategy, but as you say, the government would still have a pretty good idea who had guns. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that data is being saved every time someone makes an Instant Check in this country. Surely that's why politicians like Obama want a transfer done every time a gun changes hands, even from father to son.

I sure hope everyone here gets out to vote next week. We can stop a lot of nonsense at the ballot box, or we can let things go until we find ourselves having to go through what Canadian gunowners have went through.

Barack Hussein Obama has a 100% anti-gun, anti Second Amendment voting record as an Illinois representavive and U.S Senator. He got two very anti gun justices seated on the Supreme Court in his first term. He appointed an extremely anti-gun interim head of the BATF. His Justice Dept. and Attorney General Eric Holder are still stonewalling Congress on Fast and Furious.

In addition, the CDC cut exposure limits for lead in half this year. I look for the anti-gunners to use that as an excuse to try another lead ammo ban.

Barack Hussein Obama has to go.

Just have to hope common sense like that might prevail in Britain. This sort of registration for shotguns came in in the 1990's. Value of lower priced shotguns went down to near nothing as along with the registration came a requirement for secure storeage. There are only two reasons why a Government needs to know what its private citizens own and that is a). To tax aperson on them and b). To be able to confiscate them at a future date should they wish. This happened with our pistols when that (expletive deleted) Tony Blair came to power. I cannot find evidence of one single crime detected through use of gun registration but that is always the reasons given. Lagopus.....

Lagopus (BTW you have about my favorite moniker on here) there is only one reason for registration. And that is confiscation. The ability to tax is a lucky bonus for the gun grabbers but it is confiscation that is behind it.

In Canada, while ostensibly "long guns" were subject only to registration and fall under the "unrestricted" classification, there are two additional classifications that affect most gun owners, "restricted" and "prohibited". All hand guns fall into those two categories but some long guns do as well. Some guns, that were widely distributed prior to the enacting of these laws got made "prohibited" but existing owners were able to be grandfathered. For example, any .32 caliber handgun is prohibited. I guess a .32 is especially lethal, LOL. However, they can only sell to other "grandfathered" owners, so eventually the prohibited guns will have to be destroyed.

What kind of long guns might be restricted? Well, a fully automatic weapon is prohibited in Canada. But the prohibited and restricted designations are applied to specific models by the gun control bureaucracy with no oversight. As a result, guns that were previously legal (like semi-auto rifles that look similar to certain full auto rifles, think Hollywood movies) got re-classified as time went on and when that happened a whole lot of folks got a letter and then a visit from the police, demanding the offending gun or rifle. No compensation. No appeal. Just gone. That's what a registry is for.

The other main issue, as many of us see it, is that with the enacting of bill C68 in 1995, the same bill that brought in the registry, to be a gun owner is to be a criminal and subject to penalties under the Criminal Code of Canada, with all the issues that being a convicted felon can bring. The only way not to be is to be the holder of a current fire arms license. The day your five year license expires, you are now subject to criminal prosecution. And the anti gun people always trot out "why it's the same as a driver's license". Not by a long shot!

We still have a long way to go to stop being treated like criminals.

Well:
Since those is Quebec are so fond of keeping records perhaps we could ship our millions of illegals up to Quebec and they could spend their time trying to keep track of them.
A believe this is the first time a firearms registration system has been rescinded. The is a big step backward for the Socialist's because registration has always been the 1st step toward confiscation. Just look at what happened to the owners of those evil looking semi-autos while the Canadian gun registration system was in effect.
The important thing is to get out and vote next Tuesday and toss the numero uno illegal out of our White House so we can start getting our Country back.
Jim

Canvasback, it is quite similar here. Pistols are odd in that they can fall into one of a number of catagories. Ownership of pistols is virtually banned except on a special certificate for animal slaughtering only; that is as a sort of humane killer and not for hunting. Pre 1918 pistols with no ammunition held can be kept on a special collectors permit except for ones in 9mm. Pistols in what are termed obsolete calibres such as 8mm. Lebel pistol or 8mm. Nambu and other obscure rounds that are no longer commercially available have no restrictions whatsoever and can be bought and kept by anyone even a 5 year old can go and buy one. But if he wants an air pistol he will have to wait until he is 18. If he wants a simple toy pistol then it will have to be painted a bright colour (and that applies to any age). None of it makes the slightest sense. There is currently an attempt to straighten things up as various ammendments have come along and the whole thing is a complicated mess. Lagopus.....

In the 80 years of handgun registration in Canada, there hasn't been public push-back or agitation from our fraternity to pack in public places. Reversal of long-gun registration that turned citizens into criminals was won by a carefully measured appeal to common sense. What remains is shaking out the peculiar anomalies canvasback related above and replacing them with improvements. Militating against it is dying-off of an increasingly older population who wants it and sharply decreasing interest in the shooting sports. Hope rests on a sense of fairness that a majority of citizens provided for the long-gun registration reversal.

King:
For those Canadians that are inclined to go about unarmed; I be glad to drop them off in some selected parts of Arizona and pick them up later,if they can still be found, an see if they changed their minds.
Jim

I believe you, Jim. Respectfully, we are unarmed in Canada because publics generally feel no need for it.

Personally, I lost an engine in a twin at sight-seeing altitude over the hazy purple of desert and cacti and my only fear of Arizona then was rattlesnakes!

Heck, even the Police here are unarmed! Doesn't stop 'em being murdered though. This not too far from me and which a former collegue was also out looking for at the time; unarmed of course. She retired last week and glad to go. I don't suppose being armed would have helped in this case in light of the method used by the killer. Lagopus.....

We all fervently wish that were true here. It's a far more serious issue in Southern Arizona then where I reside in the Scottsdale area.
Funny you should make your second point today as there's an airshow going on at Scottsdale Airport, which is only a couple of miles away, and we're being treated to F15s,F16s,and F18s going over our home at about 500'. A couple of the widow ladies in the neighborhood called me and asked if we were now at war!!
Jim

King, I don't know what, if any, other firearms forums you follow, but there are two undercurrents in Canada I am seeing lately.

One is a growing realization by hand gun owners (I am not one) that the 80 years of hand gun registry has been just as useless in preventing and solving crime as the 15 years of the registry for long guns. Secondly, as CC grows in the US,(What, now 49 of 50 states or thereabouts? A dramatic increase from 25 years ago) the idea of concealed carry is taking hold up here.

Gunnutz.com, of which I am a member, has 100,000 registered members. And I would hazard a guess the majority don't hunt. They are handgun owners and black gun owners and I am constantly amazed at how young many of them are. I suspect that looking at the traditional shooting sports is not giving a true representation of the numbers involved in gun ownership.

Gun owners in Canada have, statistically, 1/4 the likelihood of being involved in crime WHEN COMPARED TO THE POPULATION AT LARGE. In other words, we ARE the law respecting and abiding population the police and politicians want us all to be. We drag the crime average down in any given jurisdiction. It is not common sense that has been visited upon us, starting in the 1930's, it is shameless politicking, aiming to win the votes of the ignorant.

And BTW, we haven't yet reversed the criminality of gun ownership. That will only happened when our gun laws are removed from the Criminal Code of Canada and turned into regulatory issues, much like the motor vehicle licensing and registration that is so often used by the anti's as a reminder as to why we shouldn't have our panties in a bunch. Idiots!

King, in reference to this from you and my post above, I think you are right, to a degree. We don't need it. Much like great swaths of the US doesn't need CC.

But, as social trends sweep across the US, they often (not always, but often) end up north of the border in some form. I would not be surprised at all to see a growing push to change and relax our handgun laws with the focus being on first, ridding ourselves of the draconian ATT regs, secondly the hand gun registry itself and finally a move towards CC. This is just a guess and my time frame is over the next 20 years.

Logic and statistics are on the side of change. The status quo does nothing to prevent crime and only serves as a placebo for fools.

I've always believed in seeing changes I wanted in my lifetime. Today things change on a dime, politically and technologically. Who would believe that business in Canada---for instance the pending sale to China of a piece of Alberta's oil play---is decided by the "chairmen" of political parties in Beijing and Ottawa? State capitalism rules. Or that the entire electrical system in lagoplus-land is owned and directed from Paris and Spain?

I haven't the slightest idea of what's coming as power shifts around the globe. My American friends hate reference to US cultural, industrial and military reach and influence as an empire but an empire it is. Canada's future in all respects depends on our closest friend and neighbour. Tuesday's decision for the presidency will have more effect on our future than any other time in history.

So what comes north is uncertain for everyone. From a personal point of view, of my 81 years in our dear country, I only know I've seen the best of it.

You're a class act Kingsley and in my opinion you are dead nuts on.......Tuesday is huge for this country and yours as well as the world as a whole.....

Pray with and for us mate.....

For the anti-gunners, it's nothing to worry about.

Take a look at the anti-gun legislation enacted in Germany. They are in the process now of implementing a fully-computerized national gun registry, what they call the NWR.

I was looking up something and came across the FAQ page on the NWR. It's "only" 37 pages long....

What Americans should worry about are the coming fights over, of all things, the Treaty Power contained in the Constitution. Right now, it's pretty much an open question on just how much of government powers and individual rights can be reworked through treaties. The judicial opinions are all over the block, so much so that some of the most recent opinions have quite explicitly begged the Supreme Court to take one or more of the cases in the lower courts and give a clear read on the Treaty Power.

And don't think this will break out on Democratic-Republican lines. It's far more likely to break on corporatist-individual lines, and this court is far more solicitous of business and corporate interests than they are of individual rights.

King, at age 54, I hope there are many good years left for me and I am remain hopeful my country can always look forward to better days, regardless of what has already transpired.

But I would agree with you both on the influence we feel from the US....there is nothing else nearly as impactful upon Canadians and the importance of the upcoming election. Whichever way it goes, the effects will be felt for decades.

Dave, I'm with you on my concern about international treaties and the impact within a nation.

GaryW:

So you want to go to Canada to escape Obama's Socialism! This show your complete ignorance of life in Canada! If the Canadians would allow you to immigrate to Canada, which I doubt, you would see much more Socialism as compared to what Obama would ever put in place!

Oh yes, I bet that you would really enjoy their Obamacare! Canada has a very good blend of Capitalism and Socialism that works well for the PEOPLE!

Before you criticise Socialism, live in a Socialist country for a number of years! Perhaps you could see that it works very well I doubt that you could see the benefits, but you should try it!

I bet that you get your "information" from Faux Entertainment and the NRA! Lol!

Franchi

I grew up in a Socialist State-Massachusetts, I lived in a Socialist State-Illinois** for 16 years I reside next to and unfortunately have to visit the Socialist State of California regularly(family). Living in Arizona for the past 17 years has been like a breath of fresh air.

**Keep in mind that Illinois is the ONLY State where it's impossible to get some type of firearms carry permit. The South Side of Chicago is a virtual warzone because the drug dealers,gang bangers and the rest of the scum of their ilk have no problem getting guns. Honest residents are afraid to walk the streets because thes hoodlums know they are not armed or able to defend themselves. And the left wing socialist administrations solution to solve this homocide problem? Why more "gun control" of course.
Yeah: This is just a snapshot of the "people control" problem wrought by socialism. Tell us about the glories of a Socialistic system.
Oh and BTW: It's apparent from your last remark that,since you have nothing factual to state, you will do what the typical closet commies do here which is debase and try to insult the poster GaryW.
Jim

It is noted the United States maintains a Border Control Agency to "Try" & keep the illegals "Out".
It is equally noted a number of Socialist countries do or have maintained Border control to "Try" & keep the legals ""IN"".