In this case I think not. I photographed this at the Birmingham Proof House museum. It's the same one as pictured in Greener's book The Gun and its Development:

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YABC, is that an acronym for Yust Another British Clunker?

I think it's nice, in a strange kind of way.
Definitely different.

Incredible work of art. Who is the maker ?

I cannot begin to fathom the difficulty and skill involved in making this gun! Those hammers!

Were those hammers cast?
Mike

i think it would be more difficult to make two molds than carve the hammers.great work

No, Mike, those hammers would have been hand carved from a block of iron or a rough forging at best. It is difficult in our culture to comprehend the incredible skill workmen in that era possessed. The human has almost unlimited artistic and mechanical ability given the environment to cultivate it.

He he he
I knew the answer, just wanted Joe to post
I love standing on Station 5 of the skeet field and asking
Joe "Are Lefevers really sidelock guns?" or some other question
like that.

Sorry, I AM A BAD BOY, and will go sit in the corner now

Sorry, I was using the 'Yet another Belgian Clunker' reference as sometimes seen on this site to show a Belgian gun that has been made by a true artist. I suspect that it was never meant to really be fired. You will find more pictures in Greener's book on pages 221 and 223. Lagopus.....

I'm glad you cleared that up, also glad it's not British. As much as I have to admire the obvious skill and workmanship that went into it, I feel it's about as ugly a gun as I've ever seen. Before all y'all dog pile all over me, I'm simply voicing my subjective opinion which has nothing to do with skill and workmanship but rather with artistic taste.

Steve

I think where the confusion came in is the phrase I have always seen posted here was JABC (Just Another Belgian Clunker). I kinow it was a term used often by Russ Ruppel when he was withus. As far as I know it may well have originated with Russ.

Lapogus,
During the 1990's I had several opportunities to visit the Liege arms museum in Belgium. For me the most fascinating gun on display,was the 17 barrel gun made the English gun maker Dupe of Oxford. This superb one of a kind gun should surely be in a British museum.
The gun was made circa 1800 for that redoubtable sportsman, Colonel Thornton to whom credit is given for opening up sport in the Scottish Highlands.
Perhaps Birmingham & Liege could consider a trade?

Miller, I had thought the term to have been origionally coined by Russ back when this board was first formed. He also was the first I had seen to refer to Guild Guns to indicate guns of Belgian manufacture but no other identification possible. You now see the term thrown out on some boards to describe anything from Europe.

Sure miss Ol' Ruppel.

Sorry, me probably having a senior moment. I did mean JABC. Roy, I am hoping to go to the First World War battlefields next year which will take me to Belgium. I will try to pull Liege in on my tour. Lagopus.....