I had an idea about starting a thread on the Best used vintage ( Or whatever) gun for a smallish amount of cash...say $1500-2000.
Gun of the Month type thread
Not really a contest, perhaps more of a way for folks needing a nice, less expensive gun to find one.I'm done buying , so it would be fun to search the sites, as its always been.
Though Im sure most folks looking to buy would rather ferret around themselves,lol
Any thoughts?
Happy New Year
franc
im assuming you mean a sbs?
winchester model 23.
oh why not start a fight.............the winchester model 24 too.
The price rules out all British guns and most high end French or Belgium or German guns either sidelock or boxlock, so what are you left with? A field grade LC Smith or NID, nothing comes close to those two for their price range.
My bet would be a nice AH Fox A grade 12 gauge in that price range, with some looking they can be found.
I would just go no name British with steel barrels, nitro proofs and 2 3/4 chambers like this boxlock that has been sitting on Gunbroker for at least two years:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=533887367I also bought a nice LC Smith field grade featherweight a few years ago for $300 at a pawn shop that I enjoyed immensely. Had the stock glued up and then had no issues with low pressure loads through it. Only had $400 into that one.
You could get a nice AJ Aubrey or Meriden sidelock. There a few listed on Gunbroker. I have had several over the years and they are terrific, and reliable. Took my hammerless Aubrey bird hunting for the first time this year and it was great.
Dave
Oh wait, I read that as "best gun under" as opposed to "Best gun under". I suppose that makes a difference
Under $2000 that could include:
A great many Birmingham guns,
Most field and entry level graded American guns
Many Spanish, Italian and Turkish guns
Clabrough hammer or hammerless,
Greener F25,
Remington 1889 and 1894,
Tobin
Army & Navy
Sauer and Son
Manufrance Ideal
And by watching carefully many net sites, auctions, estate sales there can be some great deals on fantastic guns.
There are a lot of sxs that cost under $2000.00 that yield a good amount of gun for the money.
I think the challenge gets difficult for guns between $750.00-$1000.00.
The one most commonly available with modern chamber lengths: Ithaca SKB. IMO, best buy on the used market in that price range. If they only had 2 triggers! But they do have a pretty good SST.
I agree with Larry about the Japanese SKB ( I can fix the trigger problem). Also there are some lesser known used German and Swedish guns to be had with a lot of quality and not buckets of money. Mark
For a SxS it will be very difficult to do better than a Beretta at any price point. Pre-owned or new.
have another day
Dr.WtS
skb made some pretty ones for sure. they felt a little square in my hands, but for the price....well worth it.
sold my 200 series and 100 series skb's back in 2008.
got 1000 for the 12ga and 700 for the 20ga. came used with box/papers too.
I am fond of Zoli Rizzini sold by Abercrombie and Fitch. Well under $2,000 and many times under $1,000.
Browning BSS in 20 gauge?
They are under $2000.
skeettx nailed it.
Ithaca SKB. IMO, best buy on the used market in that price range. If they only had 2 triggers!
Mine does.
bss 20's are clunky, ill balanced clubs...skb's r chinsey...most any sub gage packer, smit, foxie fox or iterkerr wood qualify in mah umble pinyon...
I peraonally think this thread should be taken as NEW guns under $2,000 or at least guns that would have been under $2,000 in todays dollars.
Discussing used guns in pointless since there are examples of just about any that can be found for under $2,000.
Take a Lefever nitro special or a Stevens 311. They would have been well under $2,000 in todays dollars if they were still being made.
I am sure a Parker Trojan, Fox SW and Ithaca Fields and similar guns would also be under $2,000 in todays money too. Maybe not.
bss 20's are clunky, ill balanced clubs...skb's r chinsey...most any sub gage packer, smit, foxie fox or iterkerr wood qualify in mah umble pinyon...
I see where you're selling a tired old cracked and splintered BSS on GB (been for sale for months now). I read through your description of your gun that you're trying to sell and nowhere do you say anything about "clunky, ill balanced clubs".
There is a 16ga Lefever A grade on guns international in the 1500.00 range that I keep going back to. Looks good, not sure on the price. Shoots modern ammo and still considered "vintage"
I peraonally think this thread should be taken as NEW guns under $2,000 or at least guns that would have been under $2,000 in todays dollars.
Discussing used guns in pointless since there are examples of just about any that can be found for under $2,000.
Take a Lefever nitro special or a Stevens 311. They would have been well under $2,000 in todays dollars if they were still being made.
I am sure a Parker Trojan, Fox SW and Ithaca Fields and similar guns would also be under $2,000 in todays money too. Maybe not.
I don't think there is a ghost of a chance that ANY of the guns you mentioned would be under 2K, if they were produced today-unless they were produced in China, Bangladesh, Vietnam, or, some other third world hell-hole.
The Muslim guns from Turkey that all these guys are crowing about are more than 2K, and they sure don't support an American middle class lifestyle for the builders, rest assured about that.
A Nitro Special, produced in the USA today, with a case colored finish, real rust bluing, a real walnut stock, and two triggers would sure as hell NOT be under 3K, if built here.
Sometimes reality sucks, but, it is still reality. Ask Ruger how easy it was to build a farmers grade SxS.
Best,
Ted
I peraonally think this thread should be taken as NEW guns under $2,000 or at least guns that would have been under $2,000 in todays dollars.
Discussing used guns in pointless since there are examples of just about any that can be found for under $2,000.
Take a Lefever nitro special or a Stevens 311. They would have been well under $2,000 in todays dollars if they were still being made.
I am sure a Parker Trojan, Fox SW and Ithaca Fields and similar guns would also be under $2,000 in todays money too. Maybe not.
How good those guns were and still are, not a chance.
My idea was that some one might perhaps spot a nice Birmingham Box Lock extractor for 2000 while browsing the on line gun sights...an actual gun for sale, & then post it up here .
I might see a Bernardelli Italia Hammer for 1500 Id post that.Others might follow, & we could perhaps politely discuss the good & bad points of each & perhaps vote for best Deal..
It sounded like fun when I thought of it.
I do it everytime I browse guns, 2000 limit.
Id go with SxS from vintage through to the present
Of course, if you Really like the Gun, you should by it before you post, Ha Ha
Cheers
Franc
I am fond of Zoli Rizzini sold by Abercrombie and Fitch. Well under $2,000 and many times under $1,000.
Very nice guns; used to be real sleepers on the market. But try to buy a 20ga (never mind a 28ga!) for under $1,000 these days. Probably not much under $2,000. The advantage of the Japanese guns (SKB/BSS) is that even the 20's are readily available for that kind of money.
The B.C. Miroku shotguns should be on the list.
The CSMC RBL is a good example of this manufacturing state side vs. price point. A lot of people have their complaints about the RBL from what i have heard, but most have to admit that they are a lot of gun for what they cost.
With some patience and careful shopping one can pick up British hammered doubles in very good condition with Damascus barrels for well under $2000. I have a Charles Boswell in 12g and a W&C Scott in 16g and paid well under $2000 for each one
uh cash...the bss that i have listed for sale on gunbroker is a 12 gauge gun with rare 30" long barrels...unlike the 20 ga bss guns with 26" short barrels, these 12 gauge bss guns with 30" barrels are wonderfully balanced eight pound guns, with a lively feel to them...sounds like you have never had one of these rare guns in your hands.
If we are talking new here I'd say the Uggie sold by LCS, Dickinson by Cabelas and other similar. In the Uggie, at least, you can also get a 16 or 20 for the same money.
Field grade Smiths,Sterlingworths,NID Ithacas. Bobby
....you should even be able to find one without the cheek piece and swivels...
don't overlook the model 8 either......
any graded ithaca in 16 or 20 gauge is a wonderful bird gon...
Lads, not looking for vague opinions of worth, idea was to put up reasonably/low priced guns that seemed good & were actually Guns for sale with links.
I dont need another Gun...but some people starting out might want a sub 2000 gun
I guess my idea isn't gonna fly,perhaps my description was lacking
franc
Franc,
Good morning.
Funny, I do the same thing as you when it comes to searching. Lets say Guns International, I first do a search, then scroll thru looking at only the guns that fall below my price point.
Your thread idea is a good one and fun. Description wasn't lacking, I got it.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100576593Here is a good value
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=429664#Post429664I just sold an almost identical gun, same condition for $330.00 + $35.00 shipping.
Hi Bill ,
Yes it is kinda fun,thought it might be good for folk looking for an entry level price Gun..if you think 2000 is about all you can afford...glad someone got it
Happy New Year to all
franc
franc.....im sure you would have gotten a lot more interesting interaction if you had asked for a gun under 1000.00 maybe you should!
French guns (guild and otherwise) such as Manufrance Robust offer solid guns for well below $2,000 and closer to $1,000.00. Ithaca SKB 100, NID, Beretta O/U's and Sterlingworths.
Hi Bill ,
Yes it is kinda fun,thought it might be good for folk looking for an entry level price Gun..if you think 2000 is about all you can afford...glad someone got it
Happy New Year to all
franc
You'd have to look hard to find an Ithaca SKB sxs that's priced over $2,000. I can think of one I saw not too long ago, but it was a 280 20ga NIB. Not many guns at least 40 years old that are still NIB.
Lads, not looking for vague opinions of worth, idea was to put up reasonably/low priced guns that seemed good & were actually Guns for sale with links.
I dont need another Gun...but some people starting out might want a sub 2000 gun
I guess my idea isn't gonna fly,perhaps my description was lacking
franc
Here's a nicely restored pre-war 20ga ejector, opening bid is $1995, no takers yet.
Pre War 20ga I kind of like the looks of this older Francotte.
Damascus Francotte
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Here's a nicely restored pre-war 20ga ejector, opening bid is $1995, no takers yet.
Pre War 20ga I kind of like the looks of this older Francotte.
Damascus Francotte [/quote]
both are overpriced by 5/700....that is why they sit....
For someone needing a cross-eyed stock, this might be the best buy ever
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=533951691
Here is a "restored" one I thought went for a reasonable amount of money recently. Given the ample wall thickness on the 2 Greener's I have, I wasn't too concerned about wall thickness on this one despite some refinishing over pitting in the barrels. Think this would have made a nice first shooter for someone. Looks decent and should perform well.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520665635
The Dow is down another 300+ points today. If this continues there will be bargains found all over the place.
This is easy.
Beretta BL or 56 series 20gauges.
This one is 5lbs 10oz, all steel and handles like a dream.
I have a friend who believes the BL-3 is the "Mother of all Sleepers" in the double gun community. He might be right. A Beretta 20ga for under $1000 seems hard to beat. You can find those BL-3's in that neighborhood all day, every day.
I recently acquired a Browning Liege O/U 12ga. 28"bbls, IC/Mod that is in new condition. I don't think it has ever been fired.
Since this gun was made in 1973, I found this to be a fantastic buy at $1,100. It is also a very unusual combination.
I bought one new in 1975 for $473.50 and 40 years later this was a steal.....great guns, not a lot of money.
GH Parker 12 gauges are great guns and can easily be had for under $2,000. Actually, most of the field grade American classics go for under $2,000 and make great shooting guns
The issue with American classics (also with most Brit and European guns) is that many of them are short-chambered, something a lot of people don't want to deal with. A bigger issue for me, on American classics (but much less so on the foreign guns) is a stock with too much drop.
Recent posters have mentioned BL series Berettas as good candidates. I have a BL1 12 gauge, ribless, double triggers, front hinged, 28" M&F, new condition, about unfired, that is probably the ultimate in all purpose upland guns. With spreaders, it would be useful for all gunning.
