ever seen a modern doublegun made in holland? or portugal for that matter?

wonder why not?

Ed do these brAin farts come natural to you ?

Good question and as I had never heard of one I checked on the Internet and came up with this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hartmans-Dutch-Gunmakers-From-Century/dp/9078521015 He lists 1350. Wonder why we don't come across more examples. Less luck with Portugal and just came up with this http://www.gundeal.co.uk/manuel-ricardo-gun-stock-maker-accessory-1265

I did once go in a Portugese Gunshop in Lisbon out of curiosity. Took a photo of the exterior. Maybe they were overshadowed by Spanish Makers. Lagopus.....

and while we are on the subject, what about denmark, norway, greece or the balkan countries...no doublegun makers there?

have seen a couple of pre war guns made in hungary...but do not recall seeing any from romania nor bulgaria...

and what about polish made sxs's? gotta be some somewheres?

and least we forget, what about sxs's made in latvia, estonia and lithuania?

Did Dicksons in Edinburgh not have a few Round Actions made in Holland about 30 years ago?

IIRC the later Ithaca Classic Doubles VGM-made receivers were from Holland.

Ed have you noticed that there are no doubles seen from these countries either? Why is that?

A
Algeria
Angola
B
Benin
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
C
Cabo Verde
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Congo, Republic of the
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Cote d'Ivoire
D
Djibouti
E
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia

G
Gabon
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
K
Kenya
L
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
M
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Mozambique
N
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria

R
Rwanda
S
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Sudan
Swaziland
T
Tanzania
Togo
Tunisia
U
Uganda
Z
Zambia
Zimbabwe

And what about Antarctica Ed? As long as we're going to ask stupid questions, we might as well ask about Antarctica?

But maybe we don't see guns from some of those countries you mentioned simply because they have disarmed as you say we should do here:



You said it Ed. Don't shoot the messenger.

What about Antarctica? Why is there no double gun makers there? Huh? Why not?

Maybe if I ask again, i will get an answer that makes me happy.

Antarctica is not a country, and it has no Government. Can guns be outlawed in a place where Govt does not exist?

naughty child like behavior should not be tolerated here...

The Dutch make: Windmills, Delft china, wooden shoes, over-rated beer, and gave us one of the best artists of all time- Johannes Vermeer- love his painting "The Astronomer"--No guns of note- When Hitler's Wehrmacht marched into Holland, the Dutch Army folded like a fart in a Mach 3 windtunnel. Not the case with the Swiss however.

point is, all of the countries i listed above are european and as such have a long history of industrial development and skilled manufacturing...seems odd that they appartantly had/have no sporting gun industry nor culture, when so many of their neighbors did and do...

pictures and descriptions of doubleguns made in any of these countries would be of interest to some of us...

and to foxie's post, anybody ever seen a swiss made sxs?

I'm with Ed on this one. It seems to be a reasonable question. Why Belgium and France but not Holland? Is the culture that different? Government? Crappy bird hunting?
I mean Holland has to have plenty of ducks....

Very seldom I find agreement with Ed, but when he asks a question that is legit it brings out some of the dumbest answers I have seen. Sometimes we all need to engage brain before fingers.

Yes, agree with popplecop
I do have a 11.7 Danish rolling block and 43 Dutch Beaumont, 11mm Gras rifle, 41 Swiss centerfire and a Werndl carbine, 7.5 Swiss Revolver and other odd stuff, why no shotguns coming to light.

Have Husqvarna shotgun (Sweden) and had Valmet shotgun (Finland).

Hmmm, room for thought

Mike

Please note that Belgium was once The Southern Netherlands
http://www.belgium.be/en/about_belgium/country/history/belgium_from_1830/

I just googled "dutch shotgun"
I am now scarred for life.

Ed,
I have 2 or 3 Husqvarna SXS, would you like to see pics and details??

WBLDon

I would
Hammerless or not?
Ejectors or not?
Top lever or underlever?
Thanks WBLDon !!

I'm under the impression that gunmaking sprouted where there was water power and iron. Not wind power and tulips.

wind or water can drive machine tools...

however, one cannot make steel without iron...

perhaps rob has hit upon something here?

however, many gun making countries were also eager to sell barrels, receivers and other metal parts...

for example, many early american, swedish and italian made guns have german made krupp barrels...

and many english gunmakers sourced their gun parts from belgian makers, located in leige...

and here's one more puzzle...

why no canadian, austrailan nor new zealand made doubleguns?

Never thought about this before but the Dutch being a colonial power in Asia & Africa in the 16th & 17th century they must have had a gun making industry. Portugal also.
The Dutch made Lewis guns in WWII.
Maybe they got all their doubles from the Belgians & had no need to manufacture themselves while the neighbours had it all in hand.
O.M

Those three are Commonwealth countries with England as mother.
They supplied primary produce in trade for many English manufactured items.
No doubles made there that I know of but there is firearms manufacturing in those countries.
O.M

Canadian doubles were made by Tobin Arms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_Arms




.

There was at least one Canadian double gun maker- Tobin, and Tobin was succeeded by Crandall. I can't recall about O/U guns, but I have seen quite a few Browning firearms marked Made in Portugal.

Malin had an Ontario address.

FEG - Hungary

Curiously, FEG made SxS's and O/U's that were stamped with the name "ADANAC", which is Canada spelled backwards.

I had heard the the IJ Hercules was for a period "made" in Canada by Cooey, but according to the interweb, more precisely:

"[The] Iver Johnson Hercules was finished and assembled by the Cooey Firearms Company in Cobourg, Ontario, Canada. Cooey had an arrangement with Iver Johnson from about 1932 to at least 1939 to finish guns for the Canadian and British market."

Sounds like an arrangement not unlike the former Ithaca assembly and repair plant in Dunnville, Ontario.

Thom Dirkson built sidelocks and Dickson style round action guns in the 90's.

I agree Ed, That's why I had pledged $100.00 to AmarilloMike's "Pledge Drive To Ban Ed Good". There was a nice amount of money on the table that could really help this BBS both financially, and by eliminating one of our anti-gun Trolls.

Ed, in my opinion, this is another one of your racist threads. Why aren't you curious about the lack of sxs shotgun manufacturing in those African countries I listed? Remember when you were advocating bans and restrictions of semi-autos and posted this racist comment about gun crime in inner cities?



If you are not a racist, why were you crudely imitating a black person when you made this anti-gun statement?



They certainly had sources of iron and water power in Africa Ed. Remember seeing all of those natives with their iron spear points in National Geographic? Are you saying that only white people are smart enough and motivated enough to produce firearms? Or were you just looking at the topless pictures of African native women which would make you both racist and misogynist?

How about Muslim shotguns Ed. You didn't ask about doubles from any Arabic countries. Are you Islamophobic too?

All of the countries you are asking about in this thread are European and Caucasian countries. How come you didn't ask about shotgun makers from Central America or the Phillipines or Viet Nam or Cambodia? I noticed you didn't ask about shotguns made by Eskimos or American Indians either. Neither did anyone else who thought that this was your very first moment of brilliance. How about Chinese people Ed? They invented gunpowder and even crude hand cannons, but we don't see many Chinese doubles? Are you concerned about that, or didn't you even consider the possibility of Chinese sxs production because of your racist attitudes?

Did you read earlier that Antarctica is not a country and has no government Ed? Talk about a golden opportunity. Maybe you should move to Antarctica and run for President of the Penguins. You've certainly got the brain for it.

This made me laugh....My Dad had (I still have it) what he called a "Dutch gun".. Guess I'll shoot the dutch gun today..It was/is a Holland and Holland....

People today think of windmills as a power source, but windmills existed long before electricity and were water pumps. The windmills were needed to keep the place from continually flooding. The vast majority of Holland is below sea level so not exactly the ideal place to set up manufacturing, even today.

My Winchester 370 is marked made in Canada

Impossible. Ed Good says there were no Canadian built doubles.



Once Ed sets his mind on something, no amount of proof or reasoning will convince him otherwise. Take his belief that the Militia of the 2nd Amendment is obsolete, and has been replaced by Volunteer Fire Departments. Seriously. He said that in his post # 372069 on 7/9/14:

Keith,
ROTFLMAO

Last Dollar - That's a 'double dutch' gun.

Yes, made in the former Cooey plant in Cobourg, Ontario which Winchester took over in 1961 and closed in 1979. When Cooey was in operation the shotguns were the model 84. After Winchester took over it became the model 840, then 370, then 37A. They were all single shot. During the 30's, Cooey finished and assembled the Champion shotguns as well as the Hercules double barrel for Iver Johnson for sale in Canada. They are Canadian marked on the action.

I have a 20 gauge double hammer gun. One barrel is marked Haarlem Haag Amsterdam and the other barrel is marked Ned Wapennagaziin.

Haarlem Haag listed here also, scroll down a bit.

http://www.doubleshotguns.com/used-shotguns-side-by-side.html

Marked Netherlands weapon factory (Ned Wapennagaziin)
Does this gun have proof marks & if so, what do they read ?
O.M

Don't forget the Tobin double, made in Canada. There's one engraved Sealer's Gun in my village. Tobin was born in our provincial capital of Halifax. There's a street named for him.

Why would you want to prove Ed is wrong about no doubles being built in Canada King? Doesn't he always march totally in lock-step with you when you post false and erroneous comments about the 2nd Amendment?

it would be nice to see pictures of the dutch made gun here...

so far, just a few exceptions mentioned... still seems odd that certain countries with means to produce doubleguns, apparantly did not?

double muzzle loaders were made most every where european gun making expertise exists...

so, why not double cartridge guns?

It has Belgian proof marks.

We have the answer to your silly question Ed. We just aren't sharing it with an anti-gun Troll who wants to disarm the country. Do you recall saying this in your post 407939 in Misfires on 6/23/15?

The mentally ill should be disarmed....

Oh Ed.

Yes, it does have proofmarks and they are Belgian
If you could post one or the other side more clearly
we might be able to provide more data.
It does have 65mm chambers and was proofed before 1922
http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.html
Mike

makes since that the dutch gun would have belgian proofs...probably one of a job shop order placed by a dutch retailer...

leige job shops would make gun parts sets for inventory and then stamp barrels to fill quantity orders from retailers all over europe, including germany...

also remember seeing a gun with leige proofs and swedish retailer barrel stamps...

A couple of more pics. Has 26 1/2" barrels, rebounding hammers.

nice looking hammer gun...

Ed, I've given your answer. The place is a swamp.

There is a Danish shotgun but not a sxs, the Sjogren.

ok dawg, i'll buy that...

but, what about the other european countries i referenced?

polska, the baltic states, etc.

how come no doubles gun from those places?

Maybe because they're neighbours of great gun-making countries, as Canada and Mexico are with the United States.

No one ever heard of British and European doubles when I was growing up, admittedly in a rural area. It was all the American classics.

Probably due to the fact those areas were largely dominated by other ruling factions - gun manufacturing and ownership is generally discouraged by Dictator-types.

Thanks for not sharing that

Dutch double barrel percussion shotgun

http://www.musquet.com/en/p/west-europe/longarms/416-dutch-double-barrel-percussion-shotgun.html

Ive been shooting a pair of Hungarian FEG sxs's not bad shotguns.
Then there is the BRNO from Czechoslovakia.

Where was that over/under the Flodman (?) build , Sweden, or Norway..I remember Caprinus too , stainless steel
franc

Kirby Hoyt is offering a 16 gauge by J. Nowotny of Prague:
http://www.vintagedoubles.com/catalog/?keywords=prague

have seen quite a few czech guns over the years...all of good quality...very sauer like...

I Googled Dutch shotgun too, I was expecting some strange porn to pop up. Imagine my disappointment when I just saw some guns

Dickson - Verenigde Geweermakers:

https://books.google.de/books?id=lIR7AwA...ers&f=false

Cheers,
Wolfgang