Looking on CSMC's web site no longer see Model 21 SxS pricing or web info for custom ordering. Anyone order one lately?

Tony's website is not easy to navigate. Call him if you have a bunch of money to spend.

The site now is much cleaner and easier to use than it once was. Every other gun they make is prominently shown on the home page on a clickable display, including the A.H. Fox and the so-called M-21 O/U. The SxS CSMC M-21 info that used to be displayed is absent. A search on Model 21 takes you to lots of inventory for sale -- nothing about ordering a bespoke new gun.

Maybe they're taking a break. Call them.

Looks like Christian Hunter bumped them.

Been there, spent some money, had much better experiences elsewhere! Just my $.02

Just a side note, Winchester actually made a proto type model 21 O/U. It just did not go into production from what I understand. How close it resembled the CSMC Gun I can not say.

Here's the response I got after contacting CSMC.

"We still make them, and we make them everyday. The website has been changed, and unfortunately not everything is on there. They should be back up on the website shortly, sorry for the inconvenience.

Thank you,
Rich"

Ghostrider, the 21 O/U is not a copy of the prototype. It is a Rizzini clone like the Inverness. However, the receiver exterior has been reconfigured to resemble the prototype.

Been there, spent a LOT of money, no better experience anywhere!--Richard

Dick,

I'm happy that you have "no better experience anywhere" than with CSMC. They can & do produce some very nice guns but my experiences were not up to what I have come to expect when I order a bespoke gun.

I'll not be so crass as to indicate if I spent a little or a lot with them, but the experiences did & will prevent me from ordering another gun from them & I know some other people who have similar feelings.

I still do buy an occasional accessory item from them & will continue to do so.

That's a shame as there are only so many people that can or will order a bespoke gun and there is plenty of other options.

So Dick won't need to put up with you doubling down about being "so crass", I'll tell you: this is a passive-aggressive cheap shot.

Jay

Crass?
You Posted you spent "some money" to give credence to your Post, I Posted I spent a Lot of money to validate my Post.
I get sick and tired of each time someone Posts a query about CSMC, you and others come out of the woodwork to Post your negative opinions.
The OP asked nothing about opinions of CSMC but was a question. Your response was 'Trolling'!
Make a deal, I won't respond if you keep your negative Posts' to yourself unless someone ask about an opinion of CSMC!-Dick

I spoke to Lou this week about a 20 gauge with an extra set of 16 gauge barrels. Unfortunately, the 16 is on its own frame.

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Dick,

I'll stand by my "crass" comment. I really wanted to say that my initial experience with CSMC prevented me from spending "a lot more money" with them since I really like their concept of reproducing bespoke versions of American classics like the Fox & Winchester 21 guns but I didn't post that since I thought some people might view my using the term "lot of money" as "crass".

As far as a deal with you on negative posts, I'll continue to post both negative & positive comments re. my experiences in the firearms community as I see fit & I encourage others to do so as well. People have varying experiences with gunmakers, gunsmiths & equipment & I personally find both negative & positive comments useful and pertinent to this forum.

I'm proud of you for standing up for yourself, Brittany Man. This Dick guy brags all the time about how much money he's spent at CSMC. He's obviously spent so much money that he has to defend his poor purchases since this is an open website and any sort of negative comment/press, such as CSMC makes replicas of the original Win Model 21, rightfully diminish the value of his investment in a reproduction. He brags about spending a whole bunch of money and then defends CSMC under all circumstances, and verbally chastises (really attacks) anyone who does not agree with him on this issue. In Dick's mind, his opinion is the only one that matters. He's chastised me over the exact same issue in the past. Well, I still wouldn't buy even a box of shotgun shells from CSMC, let alone one of their reproductions, no matter what dick dup thinks.

You and your friend Brittany Man are what's wrong with Forums.
Anytime a subject is raised, no matter what the Post, question or statement, no matter what the Topic, you default to your age old grievance.
The OP asked a question about the Model 21 section of the CSMC website.
You both respond with negative Post's of CSMC that have NOTHING to do with the OP question!
You then both attack anyone who begs to offer an opinion that differs from your opinion or that questions the relevance of your Post to the OP.
I have no problem if someone asks an opinion of a company and thier products and someone responds but to constantly Post the same negative information when it's not relative to the OP is denigrating.
I have not Posted such inflammatory words as "poor purchases" description.
Grow up.
For others that read this Thread and my Post, if you don't support these negative knee jerk reactions and personal attacks, Post your thoughts, other wise this forum will go the way of many.

While I do like CSMC guns, I would be very cautious about buying one. I say this as a person who owns, and has family members and friends who own a total of 10 CSMC guns. Nearly all of the guns have had issues. And the issues are not all the same. Buldged barrels, broken stock due to triggers doubeling, wrong LOP, poor bluing, cases that don't fit, etc. One gun was delivered with such poor workmanship that it was sent back twice, and finally replaced with a brand new gun, that still wasn't perfect. I've shot multiple A-10's, multiple RBL's, Inverness's, and even the M-21 O/U. I really enjoy the feel of their guns, but would be very leary of ordering one. It's ashame to, because I LOVE the looks of their Fox guns.

There you go again, Dick, chastising again. We are all entitled to our opinions regarding CSMC, and I developed mine several years ago after dealing with these clowns. No, my sentiment is not 'knee jerk', nor are my comments, but whatever. I guess because you had a defunct Model 21 website, your opinion of CSMC and their reproductions matters more than the opinion of everyone else. If we all had dealings with CSMC like what you describe, I doubt if there would be negative comments thrown out there. Well, that does not appear to be the case, and I'm guessing Brittany Man and I are not alone out there with negativity in regard to CSMC.

I think the unsolicited comments about CSMC go with the territory on a discussion board. What turned this thread sour and personal was Brittany Man's gratuitous snipe "I'll not be so crass as to indicate if I spent a little or a lot ..." This struck me as truly crass, deliberate trolling bait for yet another ridiculous pissing contest on this board.

Jay

Gt, I spoke to my brothers, friends, cousins, daughters father and shared with him your CSM statement. His wife says "Bull$hit!

Hate, Hate, Hate mine...NOT!


Buzz,
You remind me of the guy who couldn't get a date with the prom queen so you resort to calling her nasty names.
Buzz,
I'm thinking you want one of these CSM Model 21's so bad you can taste it, money tight?
Buzz,
OFF!

Hey Bob, feel free to show that pic of your Model 21 every time you post. Just make it bigger next time.


I can't get enough of it.

Will do!
Have I mentioned its a two barrel set?
28/.410. 30" barrels.

The good folks at CSMC picked me up at the airport, drove me into New Britain, and treated me like family. I was custom fitted for my Model 21 and then given the keys to the wood blank library "Kingdom". I can't imagine a more pleasant buying experience. The gun turned out better than I could have hoped for in every respect. It leaves me at a loss to try to understand all the negativity coming from the crybaby bed wetting sissy contingent on this thread. Oh well, there is just no pleasing some people.

I did agree with Buzz when he said this about King Brown:



Even when we disagree, it's nice to know we probably share some common ground!

Very sleek and nice looking Mod. 21 Bob. I sure don't see any issues with that one. What is the L.P.I. of that checkering?

While I don't know your brothers, friends, cousins, daughters fathers, wife, I'm farely certain I know exactly what I'm talking about. My Inverness was sent back twice before they fully replaced it. I will give credit where credit is due though, for the most part, CSMC will eventually fix the problems, and every gun I mentioned was fixed, except one. That gun was an RBL 20 with horrible bluing that the owner decided to have reblued elsewhere. So no, I'm not BSing anyone, as I do appreciate CSMC guns.

Beautiful gun Bob.....love the 28/410 concept with 30" barrels.
I've known a couple of fellas who have had bad experiences with the CSMC 21's. Their shared experiences put me off ever wanting one. Besides, I prefer the original 21s; they aren't made anymore and are a part of U.S. gunmaking history. I can obtain about 2 of them for the price of one CSMC 21. Ya just gotta know where to look, like the estate coming up for sale in April.

I guess enuf said.

The nicest canoe paddles ever made!

Now, now....just cause the 21 stole all other American made gun's thunder is no reason to be snarky. LOL