I purchased a fiddle case gutted it and remade it to fit the items I typically take to a gun show or gun store. What other do you take?
Items include:
1. Wall thickness gauge
2. Bore guage
3. 12ga and 20ga calibrators for bore guage
4. 20 ga tip for bore gauge
5. Calipers
6. 12 ga. snap caps
7. Tape measure
8. 12 ga. chamber guage
9. Flashlite taped to fit 12ga bore
10. Magnifying glass
And should have fitted for my reading glasses!
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Looks like a great B.S. detector. Gil
looks more like a price chislers tool kit...
where is your little hammer for ringing the barrels?
you have got to upgrade to digital...
a violin case
i hope you wear a dark suit with pin stripes and wide lapels while carrying it
i have a similar kit in a wooden case- i see it as being a careful buyer,
if knowing what you are spending your money on makeS you a "chisler" --- so be it
PS- the more I look at it the more I like it - i pass on old wooden violin cases in antiques shop all the time- keep thinking about making a fly rod to fit in one
this is a much better idea
looks more like a price chislers tool kit...
where is your little hammer for ringing the barrels?
A wooden dowel works- and you should be "gun shy" of this well-prepared gentleman- as you are one of the biggest chiselers extant- betcha you'd shit your skivvies if he came to your table at the Shady Tree Hustlers and Raccoon-Tuners Gun Show with that case- not a Strad, but enough tools and gauges to detect your honed out barrels and beer can metal shims--too bad he doesn't have an acetylene sniffer-outer, for those lovely "factory original" colors you often tout- Go home Ed, you just got your ass kicked-big time..
gee foxie...that aint nice nor called for here or anywheres else...
looks more like a price chislers tool kit...
where is your little hammer for ringing the barrels?
Ed, why should not the buyer equip himself with the tools to as properly check the gun out as possible?
I have used cars checked by my mechanic.
I have taken a similar set of tools into a cabelas gun library and checked out a gun which they could not answer basic questions about. The staff there alowed me to evaluate the gun, which turned out to have paper thin barrels, out of time ejectors, and 2.5 inch chambers and not the 2.75 they thought.
RWTF, Your personal attack was without merit, please be civil.
And yes a dowel rod is suitable.
Tamid, great kit, and you will detect many issues or concerns with this assortment of tools.
Only additions might be a cotton ball to detect anomalies or feeler gauges.
Sweet Music
Mike
One of the better uses for the kit might be at the moment you open it. That's the time to be watching the seller's reaction when he sees the kit - impassive, pleased, gagging and eyes bulging. Each of those, and all the other reactions he might have, will tell you volumes about what he knows about the gun.
Hey-meds, schmeds- "I just call 'em as I see's 'em" If Ed were honest in his gun dealing, like Kirby Hoyt and Bill Jaqua, that would be that- but as his "3 day return for refund if not as described" were legit, well that would be that- his "return policy" holds up like a beer fart in a Mach 3 wind tunnel- and being a Mick Irish-we don't hold much for civil--Easter Sunday 1916 when the most "civilized Empire" History has ever known gave us the shaft-o!! Screw being civil!!!
looks more like a price chislers tool kit...
where is your little hammer for ringing the barrels?
Wow. What's that all about?
Seems like I hit a nerve with some! I used to carry all that in a small backpack with everything clanging around. In the past I have taken these tools to gun shows, gun stores and gun auctions and have always received a welcome reception. I always ask if I can measure the gun before I proceed.
I wonder how those who object to these tools and process assess the guns they are proposing to purchase?
I carry a small wood box that was formerly full of artist supplies, it now contains micrometers, calipers, a small scales and tape measure and other tools I need to feel good about a gun purchase.
BTW along the same note as the OP's is a "Chicago Style" shotgun case I made about 10 years ago from an old violin case. I no longer own the case or the gun, having to sell them several years ago to pay doctor bills.
Steve
BTW along the same note as the OP's is a "Chicago Style" shotgun case I made about 10 years ago from an old violin case. I no longer own the case or the gun, having to sell them several years ago to pay doctor bills.
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Rockdoc,
I have made the same but out of square 'viola' cases as they are a bit longer and can accept a 30 in barrel. is your barrel 28 or 30 inches?
like I said, lots more character than mine
years ago, when i used to go to gun shows to buy, i carried a few tools in a small gas mask bag...i made a judgement about a purchase based on the item, but also my vibs re the seller... one is as important as the other...
i have not set up at gun shows for over twenty years now...price chisling, new england yankee, flea market mentality types, ruined it for me...
i plan to do some shows in the deep south this winter...if a guy showed up with that kit, i would ask him to move on and not take up space and time that could be occupied by a serious retail buyer...
..if a guy showed up with that kit, i would ask him to move on and not take up space and time that could be occupied by a serious retail buyer...
Both of you would be better off.
I think the case toolkit is a good idea, after all who wants to discover later that the gun they have forked out a lot of hard-earned for is a dud.
I want to make a bore gauge like the one displayed, a wall gauge is easy to make, but can a bore gauge be made up ? I have priced them online and they seem very expensive for what they are. Any ideas ?
Ed Good, you really don't have much intellect to disperse but you really love to push buttons. Interesting how may bite!
Damn, I guess that's me now.
Any one that would buy an expensive double shotgun without knowing the facts about the barrels is going to be very unhappy one day.
Timid - nice tool kit!! Consider a lighted loupe for some serious magnification of various aspects of guns.
DDA
Timid - nice tool kit!! Consider a lighted loupe for some serious magnification of various aspects of guns.
DDA
A lighted loupe. Interesting, I have been off and on a working photographer for more than 30 years and have had a variety of loupes but never a lighted one. I used a light box under a loupe for my purposes. Do you suppose you could direct me to where I could purchase one. Thanks.
".if a guy showed up with that kit, i would ask him to move on and not take up space and time that could be occupied by a serious retail buyer…" Ed Good
You presuppose an interested party is not interested. i never ask to measure a gun unless I am serious. I wonder how many sales you have thwarted with your misdemeanour attitude?
gee foxie...that aint nice nor called for here or anywheres else...
Yeah, right Ed. Foxy's comment came shortly after you referred to Tamid's novel tool case as a "price chiselers tool kit". The last thing you'd ever want is for someone to take anything more than a cursory look at something you had for sale. How's that near impossible return policy of yours go???... I know what I am selling and you are expected to know what you are buying... what a joke.
..if a guy showed up with that kit, i would ask him to move on and not take up space and time that could be occupied by a serious retail buyer...
You said that right after telling us how you used to take your own inspection tools to gun shows in a gas mask bag.
Caveat emptor!
If we all remain nice and civil to Ed, does anyone really think that he'll ever be anything besides an anti-gun troll?
The last gun show I attended, and the only one in 15 years, was in Norcross GA a few weeks ago. 2000 tables supposedly, although I think it was short of that. There was one guy with a few worn A5s, another gentleman with a beat up Parker VH and a few coach guns. The rest of the tables were taken up by AR15 clones, polymer pistols and few old military bolt actions. Someone may have come in and made off with the good doubles before I got there, but I didn't see a single decent bird gun in the whole show.
I admire the kit, and I hope you have better luck than I did.
good doubles at any thing other than a collector's show might be rare. The kit is in the truck in case
i put my kit together after passing on might have been a really great deal for a Parker hammer gun at a antique show (the too perfect bores concerned me). and have used it at such shows since. Although I am surprised at the gun dealers who cannot answer basic measurement questions- the average antique dealer will not even know what you are talking about. i have never had one refuse to let me measure, and most are interested in what i am doing.
I kinda understand Ed's point, though he of course has ruined more guns than I'll ever see.
As a seller, the sort of buyer who shows up with a kit like that would alert me to two things:
1) He's gonna take a lot of time looking at the gun, and might even start disassembling it. Every time a gun is 'handled' it sees the potential for damage. Do I want that?
2) Chances are he's a pain in the ass to deal with - not only in terms of 'what is the gun' but also in terms of the commercial side of things.
I'd be tempted to tell him to take a hike, preferring to sell it to someone less fussy.
Then again, if I were selling a $1000+ double, I'd have already recorded the important dimensions which seems impossible for sellers to do....
Then again, if I were selling a $1000+ double, I'd have already recorded the important dimensions which seems impossible for sellers to do....
and that's the point - if dealers would - we would not need to
if they won't - we are foolish not to
as a buyer- if you cannot give me wall thickness and such details and you won't let me verify the conditon of the gun- you won't have to tell me to go- i'd be gone
any gun dealer at a show that would not allow a inspection of a gun, would be a big red flag for me.
I could understand if the buyer wanted to use screwdrivers to take it apart, I would say no.
But removing the barrels, and measuring them would be fine with me.
I have learned that gun chislers stand on both sides of the tables at shows.
Ed Good I am glad to hear that you do not do any shows, you do much better selling on line with poor photos and no hands on inspection with a no return policy.
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looks more like a price chislers tool kit...
where is your little hammer for ringing the barrels?
A wooden dowel works- and you should be "gun shy" of this well-prepared gentleman- as you are one of the biggest chiselers extant- betcha you'd shit your skivvies if he came to your table at the Shady Tree Hustlers and Raccoon-Tuners Gun Show with that case- not a Strad, but enough tools and gauges to detect your honed out barrels and beer can metal shims--too bad he doesn't have an acetylene sniffer-outer, for those lovely "factory original" colors you often tout- Go home Ed, you just got your ass kicked-big time..
+1!
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Richard
I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Ithaca NID man, but about 5 years ago, at a small show- a dealer I know (in a limited sense of the word) had a later NID 20ga. Grade 4E- (later series NID w/o the snail titties cocking indicator pins) and I asked if I could handle it. Believe he was asking $2850- As I reached for my Stanley 6' pocket tape, he said-in a hurry I felt- Oh, those are 28" barrels- no need to measure- But I did anyway, and got 26& 3/4" -and years of machine shop and carpentry work have taught me how to read a yo-yo-- I handed him back the shotgun, looked at the Stanley tape in my hand, and said: "damn, guess I'll have to get this re-calibrated. and walked away, my bankroll intact. Caveat Empetor- you damn betcha.. RWTF
and said: "damn, guess I'll have to get this re-calibrated.
ok - that's funny
After 40 years of purchasing doubles and other firearms, the sheer volume of junk presented as original is beyond my comprehension.
I have a similar kit and keep my Galazan Pro Bore Gauge in my vehicle for anything that passes initial query.
A light is a must as usually the lighting at these things is dismal.
I do understand that to some dealers, the items are a commodity to be bought and sold with the least amount of effort but when I'm spending my money on an expensive double or other firearm, it's 'Caveat Emptor'!-Richard
Not nearly as comprehensive as yours, but a bit more portable...
Not nearly as comprehensive as yours, but a bit more portable...We must be of the same schooling, amigo that's just what I carry-with one other item- a bank issued anti-counterfeit bill checker- looks like a Sharpie marking pen. We had three "dealers" busted within the past 2 years here in West Central MI for buying guns with counterfeit bills-
My traveling kit that has saved me a ton of grief. I generally only use it when I'm very serious about the gun. However, I have also frequently been asked by dealers and others to measure their guns.
I will never forget a wonderful bird gun I was all lathered up to buy......until my wall thickness gauge found one barrel was only .010! I politely asked the dealer if he wanted to know my findings and he quietly said "no".
Case is from a bar-b-que set that I stripped out everything and fit the tools into foam cut out to hold everything securely.
Tools include a bore gauge, wall thickness gauge, fish scales, measuring tape, chamber gauges, magnifying glasses, note pad, machinists 6" rule, snap caps, and a few other miscellaneous things.
One other tool needs a bit of explanation. I also carry a 3" piece of 1/2" brass rod. I slide it down a barrel, hold the gun vertical and snap it. The firing pin should make the rod jump nicely. If it doesn't there is a possibility the firing pin is broken or some other gremlin is lurking in the darkness. I learned this lesson the hard way.
I feel under equipped.... what are yall using for wall thickness gauges?
My traveling kit that has saved me a ton of grief. I generally only use it when I'm very serious about the gun. However, I have also frequently been asked by dealers and others to measure their guns.
I will never forget a wonderful bird gun I was all lathered up to buy......until my wall thickness gauge found one barrel was only .010! I politely asked the dealer if he wanted to know my findings and he quietly said "no".
Case is from a bar-b-que set that I stripped out everything and fit the tools into foam cut out to hold everything securely.
Tools include a bore gauge, wall thickness gauge, fish scales, measuring tape, chamber gauges, magnifying glasses, note pad, machinists 6" rule, snap caps, and a few other miscellaneous things.
One other tool needs a bit of explanation. I also carry a 3" piece of 1/2" brass rod. I slide it down a barrel, hold the gun vertical and snap it. The firing pin should make the rod jump nicely. If it doesn't there is a possibility the firing pin is broken or some other gremlin is lurking in the darkness. I learned this lesson the hard way. I like this idea..Thanks for sharing..RWTF
The last gun show I attended, and the only one in 15 years, was in Norcross GA a few weeks ago. 2000 tables supposedly, although I think it was short of that. There was one guy with a few worn A5s, another gentleman with a beat up Parker VH and a few coach guns. The rest of the tables were taken up by AR15 clones, polymer pistols and few old military bolt actions. Someone may have come in and made off with the good doubles before I got there, but I didn't see a single decent bird gun in the whole show.
I admire the kit, and I hope you have better luck than I did.
Ditto. These guys are going to different gun shows than I do. I'm lucky to find a single field grade Ithaca with an asking price of $1200.
Taking a kit like this to one of the big specialist gun stores, collection liquidations, or the Southern SxS Classic, on the other hand, would be well worth it.
I feel under equipped.... what are yall using for wall thickness gauges?
mine is a Manson
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-...auges/index.htm
I've bought Parkers from some of the 'big name' dealers and they looked at me with a blank stare when I asked if they had or could measure the wall thickness.
On a 12 ga #2 frame...I'd be far less concerned with wall thickness. Even if someone had honed the barrels, it would take lots of honing to get into the 'danger zone'. I generally don't buy guns that are that rough, anyway. If the bores need 10 or 20 thousandths removed, is the rest of the gun really going to look that good?
But on a #0 frame 20 I'd be more concerned.
At least this thread has gotten two mentally ill idiots to start sniping at each other rather than the rest of us.
I always include a cleaning rod and patches.
