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Posted By: James M TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 07:46 AM
That's all I have to say for tonite!
Jim
Posted By: John Roberts Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 09:32 AM
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! God is good.
JR
Posted By: DAM16SXS Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 11:22 AM
Off we go into uncharted territory.

We should expect greatness and I think he will deliver.
Posted By: ithaca1 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: John Roberts
TRUMP! God is good.
JR


Amen brother!
Posted By: David Williamson Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:20 PM
A great victory that will go down in history. Now let us see how he can pull the country together and be prosperous again.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:33 PM
God delivered us from the evil [censored] and gave us one more chance.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:42 PM
How long before construction starts on the wall ?
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:43 PM
Ask Pink Floyd- they are the wall guys.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:48 PM
Thank God- Now we need another Anthony Scalia for his first SCOTUS appointment-- and when that dried up old bag of scheise Ginsberg dies or retires, ot maybe both I hope, another Scalia guy- No more fat dumb underqualified broads like Kagan and Sotomayor appointees. My late Grandather just got up in his grave, raised a tumbler of John Jameson and said :" Good on ya, Donny Boy"__

And all the towelheaded terrorists extant had best be getting their scheise together, as their day of doom is coming.
Posted By: Paul Harm Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:51 PM
HOORAH - I don't believe it. Our country still has a chance. I run the shotgun venue at the club and said if Trump wins free pizza and rededuced shooting today. Better get going, the boys will be a waiting.
Posted By: Dave Weber Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 12:52 PM
I am encouraged by the decisive win.
I am hopeful for our future as "The United States of America".
Go Trump!



PS - For the next several weeks...I will be deleting anything I view as a negative Trump comment from this plus like threads placed on site.

If you happen to be a sore loser...don't bother to post here.
Posted By: Paul Harm Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:54 PM
Fox, if you live near Lapeer County, come over today for some fun. LCSC 1213 N. Lake George Rd Attica, Mi 48412
Posted By: Paul Harm Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:57 PM
And a big 10/4 on that Dave.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 12:57 PM
I told you guys a year ago.

The Christians have had enough.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 01:04 PM
Amen
Posted By: 2-piper Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 01:05 PM
Ginsberg has been quoted as saying "IF" Trump won she would leave the country. It's not "if' now but "WHEN", let's see just how honest she is. I wouldn't advise placing much money on her going though.
Posted By: VictoryXC Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 01:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
Ask Pink Floyd- they are the wall guys.


Good one! LOL
Posted By: Karl Graebner Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:03 PM
Paul,
I live near Lapeer Gun Club, see you soon!
Karl
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:06 PM
It was a clear repudiation of the Obama Doctrine. Economic
stagnation, crippling regulations on business, oppressive taxation, open immigration, climate change religious dogma, Statist cultural indoctrination, ruling class manipulation of the economy against the American public, Statist destruction of the educational system. All just went down the tubes.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:12 PM
Trump is going to ban "Obama-V=Care" good move, I have never cared very much for Obama in the past 8 years he has pissed away our position as a world power.
Posted By: KY Jon Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:15 PM
The Supreme Court will not be going left for the next 20 years. You don't have to appoint extreme justices, just one who reads, follows and never stand the USConstitution. After all that is their real in not to proactively fix he World from the bench.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:28 PM
A great win. Now let's see if he is a leader--or not.


_________________________
What? Me worry... Alfred E Neuman
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:34 PM
It is solid victory. He will lead with lot of orders being given at the White House. We must remember he has Republican Congress, Republican Senate and executive powers expanded by George Bush and Barack Hussain Obama.
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:38 PM
I wonder why CNN keeps playing that trailer from "The Man In the High Castle" as a prelude to every story on the network?...Geo
Posted By: m-4 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 02:39 PM
Reassuring to see that over 50% of voters really are Sane!

m-4
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:41 PM
Easy being a dictator, Jag. I want to see if he can lead.

___________________________
If opera is entertainment, then falling off a roof is transportation! Alfred E Nueman
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:41 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
A great win. Now let's see if he is a leader--or not.


_________________________
What? Me worry... Alfred E Neuman



All he has to do is show up at daily security briefings, and he'll have the current occupant of 1600 beat by a wide margin.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: RedofTx Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:45 PM
The Presidency
The Senate
The House of Representatives

Let us hope they don't waste the opportunity.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 02:45 PM
True, Ted. I want more.

_____________________________
Go Blue?
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 03:06 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
True, Ted. I want more.

_____________________________
Go Blue?


So, it would seem, did about 51% of the rest of us. Funny, I can't recall the other 49% or so asking for much of anything the last 8 years. And, they weren't disappointed, either.

That said, avoid grapes, (the harvest on November 9 is sour every four years, it seems) and, wagers on whether Hilly gets a pardon from Barry, for the next few weeks and, you will be fine.




Best,
Ted
Posted By: Lloyd3 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 03:47 PM
Sigh of relief here.
Posted By: ChiefShotguns Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 03:55 PM
There were a few well known residents of the area of California near Hollywood who also threatened to leave the country if Trump won. Sean Hannity promised to charter a plane for them. I somehow expect them to still be here on next election day to still spit out their poison.
Posted By: Ken Nelson Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 03:56 PM
I guess me and all the other uneducated (that is employed, hard working) white boys did make a difference!!!
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 05:44 PM
I am gratified by Trump's victory, especially considering the threat Hillary posed to our 2nd Amendment rights and the potential damage she could do with Supreme Court judicial choices.

I am somewhat sorry to see that Dave Weber intends to delete posts which are negative to Trump in the coming weeks. While it will be nice to not have any crap from our Liberal Left anti-gun Trolls, their comments serve to illustrate that just because someone owns a gun, or claims to own a gun, that doesn't mean they support our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. What value is there in welcoming these types into our proverbial big tent when they are poking holes in the canvas and knocking down the poles?
Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 06:21 PM
keith - - GFY

Your baseless moronic contentions are exactly the food for the opposition. People like you, fortunately few as vocal, do a disservice to to the shooting community that it could well do without.

On another note, Ryan has given notice to corporate America that in the near future they will be unhindered in their pursuit of raping and pillaging the economy and the environment. Great news for sports and outdoorsmen everywhere. Not to mention your medical, pension and other plunderable finance related concerns.

have another day
Dr.WtS
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 06:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
....On another note, Ryan has given notice to corporate America that in the near future they will be unhindered in their pursuit of raping and pillaging the economy and the environment. Great news for sports and outdoorsmen everywhere. Not to mention your medical, pension and other plunderable finance related concerns.

have another day
Dr.WtS

No doc, what he said was that he wouldn't lie, but still ravage and scorch the earth. He promised to fuel private jets for celebrities and new arrivals on the high dollar lecture circuit in an environmentally sensitive way. Thank you for recognizing that gays, minorities and the poor will not be affected by the new administration or Speaker Ryan. Any other concerns?
Posted By: Gt1900 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 07:12 PM
[quote=m-4]Reassuring to see that over 50% of voters really are Sane!

m-4
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Actually, he's losing the popular vote. Not to nitpick, but facts matter.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 07:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Gt1900
....Actually, he's losing the popular vote. Not to nitpick, but facts matter.

The fact of the matter is, unless it goes their way, even dems demand safeguards against the mob rule of narrow interest population centers. Fact is, we were a Representative Republic, before this election took place.
Posted By: Gt1900 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 07:26 PM
Not disagreeing. Just stating the facts. The scary thing for the GOP to realize is they have only won 1 popular vote in about 30 years. That should be disconcerting for future elections.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 07:39 PM
The election was close. There are two Americas and President Trump will have to unite the country to get things done and he can do it. I'm done underestimating his potential after all he has been Democrat for most of his life. What was it that Mao Zedong said "one must walk like fish in water"?
Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 07:43 PM
Quote:
Thank you for recognizing that gays, minorities and the poor will not be affected by the new administration or Speaker Ryan. Any other concerns?


Why would I GAF about them? I'm a White American, The Forgotten Man who has been repressed and exploited for the last buncha decades. Gonna be a New World!! WE RULE NOW!!!!
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 07:46 PM
I'am White too and realized if Hillary won I would live in country where I was a second-class citizen. I found that idea unacceptable.
Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/09/16 08:09 PM
No Worries, Now, BRO!! We gottem on the RUN!!!
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 08:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Gt1900
Not disagreeing. Just stating the facts. The scary thing for the GOP to realize is they have only won 1 popular vote in about 30 years. That should be disconcerting for future elections.


Uhm, not really:

Kennedy 49.7 Nixon 49.5
Johnson 61.1 Goldwater 38.7
Nixon 43.4 Humphries 42.4
Nixon 60.2 McGovern 37.2
Carter 50.0 Ford 48.0
Reagan 50.5 Carter 41.0
Reagan 58.8 Mondale 40.6
Bush 53.4 Dukakis 45.7
Clinton 43.0 Bush 37.5 (Ross Perot 20%)
Clinton 49.2 Dole 40.7
Bush 47.9 Gore 48.4
Bush 50.7 Kerry 48.3
Obama 52.9 McCain 45.7
Obama 51.1 Romney 47.2
Trump 47.5 Clinton 47.7

In the last 32 years there have been three outright popular vote wins by the Republicans, 2 statistical ties between Dems and the GOP and one anomalous result, the first Clinton win, largely acknowledged that Clinton won because the right was split between Bush and Perot. That leaves just four clear wins for the Democrats.

Hardly one win in 30 years.
Posted By: Thruxton Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 08:42 PM
We thought that Brexit was a bit special and not before time,,,,,the USA has just done it on an unimaginable scale !! WELL DONE !!
Posted By: Gt1900 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 08:59 PM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: Gt1900
Not disagreeing. Just stating the facts. The scary thing for the GOP to realize is they have only won 1 popular vote in about 30 years. That should be disconcerting for future elections.


Uhm, not really:

Kennedy 49.7 Nixon 49.5
Johnson 61.1 Goldwater 38.7
Nixon 43.4 Humphries 42.4
Nixon 60.2 McGovern 37.2
Carter 50.0 Ford 48.0
Reagan 50.5 Carter 41.0
Reagan 58.8 Mondale 40.6
Bush 53.4 Dukakis 45.7
Clinton 43.0 Bush 37.5 (Ross Perot 20%)
Clinton 49.2 Dole 40.7
Bush 47.9 Gore 48.4
Bush 50.7 Kerry 48.3
Obama 52.9 McCain 45.7
Obama 51.1 Romney 47.2
Trump 47.5 Clinton 47.7

In the last 32 years there have been three outright popular vote wins by the Republicans, 2 statistical ties between Dems and the GOP and one anomalous result, the first Clinton win, largely acknowledged that Clinton won because the right was split between Bush and Perot. That leaves just four clear wins for the Democrats.

Hardly one win in 30 years.


Um really! Bush beat Dukakis in 1988, since that time the GOP has won only 1 popular vote. In other words, the GOP has won only 1 popular vote in about 30 years. Two if you can't 1988. Since that time they have won only 1 popular vote. That should be disconcerting.
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:33 PM
Incredible. Sabato completely blew it.

Essentially nobody saw this coming, certainly I didn't.

I've always been a one issue voter, since my main pass time is shooting. This outcome bodes well for the SCOTUS for some time to come.

McConnell has a realistic outlook on the future, and I expect him to be a moderator of sorts.

CNN coverage of the election was superb. I don't watch much TV news, and when I do I generally avoid CNN since their leaning is only too obvious being a Turner/Time Warner operation... but...

John King was really on his game, and they covered the ELECTION and did not simply rehash the campaign. Every time I switched to Fox, there was some idiot woman talking. A pretty woman, they all are, but that's not ELECTION coverage. Hats off to CNN.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Gt1900
....the GOP....in about 30 years....

....have won only 1 popular vote. That should be disconcerting.

Neither party even campaigns in California, it's a gimme. How about, spot 'em 55 electoral votes, and then look at the popular vote for the rest of the country. That's better than twenty percent of the way to 270, from just one state, actually a few counties. Disconcerting?

How come the winner beat out romney in the Black and Latino vote percentages? Why isn't this a learning experience with room to improve?

All hill had to do was have a pulse, and she had a constituency. Their was only one person in this world who put together the right message balance and delivery to discourage her supporters. It would be disconcerting if future candidates acted like the previous two, more passion about being anti President elect than their own presidential ambitions.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:36 PM
GT1900, While I stand by what I wrote, I think the real issue is not that the GOP is in trouble, as you are suggesting, but that both parties, as representatives of the Washington elite status quo, are in trouble.

That's why the ultimate Democratic outsider, Bernie Saunders, nearly beat the ultimate insider, Hillary Clinton, who had the entire backing of the DNC, in the primaries.

It is why Trump beat all comers in the Republican primaries despite being written off as a joke at every turn and why Trump beat the strongest political machine, the Clintons, in history, in the general election.

Both parties, as they have been constituted, for the last 60 years, are in trouble. They both need to do a much better job of listening to and representing their constituents.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:39 PM
[quote=Shotgunjones]Incredible. Sabato completely blew it.

Essentially nobody saw this coming, certainly I didn't.

I've always been a one issue voter, since my main pass time is shooting. This outcome bodes well for the SCOTUS for some time to come.

McConnell has a realistic outlook on the future, and I expect him to be a moderator of sorts.



I got it wrong along with many, many people who make a good living predicting such things. Film maker Michael Moore had it right all along including exact reason(s) he would win.

Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
Incredible. Sabato completely blew it.

Essentially nobody saw this coming, certainly I didn't.

I've always been a one issue voter, since my main pass time is shooting. This outcome bodes well for the SCOTUS for some time to come.

McConnell has a realistic outlook on the future, and I expect him to be a moderator of sorts.

CNN coverage of the election was superb. I don't watch much TV news, and when I do I generally avoid CNN since their leaning is only too obvious being a Turner/Time Warner operation... but...

John King was really on his game, and they covered the ELECTION and did not simply rehash the campaign. Every time I switched to Fox, there was some idiot woman talking. A pretty woman, they all are, but that's not ELECTION coverage. Hats off to CNN.





I wrote here in mid September that Trump would win. Even explained why I thought it.

Essentially a combination of the traditional polling methods that the media depend on, no longer working and exposure to some alternate methods that were giving significantly different results that were being ignored by the MSM.

I'm no expert but unlike the MSM, I didn't have a bias to the status quo and a visceral hatred of what Trump represents. In other words, open minded. It was hilarious last night watching talking head after talking head try to explain away how wrong, how biased they had been. They are still doing it today.

Looks good on the corrupt bastards.

As a side note, I watched Fox. I don't need those idiots to "explain" the news to me. I need them to report it. Thus I was quite happy to read the results as they came up while watching the assortment of extremely good looking women. Now if only they had put a big paper bag over Karl Rove.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 09:58 PM
Instead of relying on experts, so called what media elite should rely on is large bag of Chinese Fortune cookies. It would be just as effective and much less expensive.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 10:29 PM
I did not broadcast it but, I thought he would win, too. I spoke with a shooting buddy about it who said something I hadn't thought of, and I do believe he was right. He said it would be a landslide for Trump because there were hundreds of thousands of people who were going to vote for Trump, but would never admit it. People who would be ridiculed for their choice, evangelicals who were voting against Hillary more so than voting for Trump, and those who felt strongly that how they cast their vote was just noboby else's business. These people would not answer a pollster, and kept their opinion to themselves. They were the tsunami that came out of nowhere and washed over the Clinton political machine.

Trump didn't have to run a masterful campaign of strategies. He just had to be there, stand on the side of gun rights, state clearly that he was pro-life, pro-working class, and wait it out while Clinton hung herself.

It worked, thank God.

SRH
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 10:36 PM
Stan, I was talking last night during the coverage with a Jewish friend of mine who lives in NH. He said he wouldn't tell anyone when they asked because he would just get too much grief.

I know him pretty well though and he didn't fool me. Didn't even need to ask. LOL
Posted By: james-l Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 10:46 PM
I think Mike Huckabee summed it up the best on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10154201399067869
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 11:10 PM
Originally Posted By: james-l
I think Mike Huckabee summed it up the best on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10154201399067869


Wow, when I read what Huckabee wrote, part of me wishes I was American. Excellent!
Posted By: James M Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/09/16 11:15 PM
Just imagine what the results would have been if the so-called "mainstream news media" hadn't tried their hardest to paint as bad a picture of Trump as possible while ignoring the continuing ethics and moral controversies surrounding Clinton.
IMO: It would have been a Trump landslide!
Jim
Posted By: Marc Ret Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 01:42 AM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: james-l
I think Mike Huckabee summed it up the best on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10154201399067869


Wow, when I read what Huckabee wrote, part of me wishes I was American. Excellent!


James,

From one of the quieter members here, I think I can say with certainty you would most definitely be welcomed.

I spoke earlier this evening about this election with one of my best friends. He and his family emigrated here from South Africa eight years ago. It's hard to explain the enormity of this election to someone who has not lived here their whole life but he's starting to get it. He's pumped to be able to vote in two years once he and his wife become citizens. I can't wait to be there to welcome them as new Americans.

Cheers,
Marcus
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 01:43 AM
In the town I live in there are about 2,000 houses. There were nearly 500 Hillary signs and a total of eight Trump signs. My neighbor, a proud Hillary sign dis-player kidded my about my Trump sign. I asked him to look around at those houses with no signs and wonder why. Did they support Hillary? If so why not jump on the band wagon and get a free sign? Then I pointed to the houses on either side of him and explained one was a family who were long time Republicans and almost certain to vote for Trump. The other was a person who never display a sign on his property but I knew was a Trump supporter because all of his vehicles had Trump stickers on them. Then he asked what I was telling him. In real small words, I said that the omes with o sign were almost all closet Trump voters. Not shouting their support but sure to vote. And they did. Our town had 83% voter turnout and Hillary got less than 40%. Today my neighbor dropped off a case of beer he lost to me on a bet about the election outcome. Today he said he understood what I was telling him. I understand there is a vast number of Hillary sign available at much reduced prices.
Posted By: SamW Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 01:57 AM
E Deplorable Unum...it was a large basket with a very loud voice!
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 02:03 AM
Marcus, that is a very kind and humbling response to a relatively light hearted although heartfelt sentiment. Thank you.

James
Posted By: Gt1900 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 02:55 AM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
GT1900, While I stand by what I wrote, I think the real issue is not that the GOP is in trouble, as you are suggesting, but that both parties, as representatives of the Washington elite status quo, are in trouble.

That's why the ultimate Democratic outsider, Bernie Saunders, nearly beat the ultimate insider, Hillary Clinton, who had the entire backing of the DNC, in the primaries.

It is why Trump beat all comers in the Republican primaries despite being written off as a joke at every turn and why Trump beat the strongest political machine, the Clintons, in history, in the general election.

Both parties, as they have been constituted, for the last 60 years, are in trouble. They both need to do a much better job of listening to and representing their constituents.


Until the GOP can win the popular vote by a landslide and truely represent what most Americans want, I will worry. Until then I will bird hunt public land in the west with my doubles and bird dogs and wonder how long I have before it's taken away. While I believe the results of the election to be a good thing, I worry about my public land being taken away by the far right. Luckily Trump has agreed that Federal land should stay Federal land.
Posted By: Paul Harm Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 02:47 PM
All you guys with the negative thoughts - do you always see the glass half empty ? Can't the results of this election be the glass half full ? Just once, everyone have a positive out look on life. I do, for the first time in almost eight years. There's still a chance America will be what the founding fathers thought it to be.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 02:53 PM
James, your opinion of both parties in trouble parallels my own, although I was wildly wrong in my election prediction. Writing to Canadian and American friends this is my take on it, responding to an email today from a Newfoundlander asking why we vote as we do:

"Why do we do it? Money and fear of losing our place. Newfoundland character evolved from community, multi-faceted as any other recognizing survival depended on looking after each other. Canada's multicultural experiment is a national effort, assisted by a legacy and heritage of development without slavery, wild west, civil war, racism as US. We are different from our American cousins.

"I think of Americans and Canadians as family. I’m heart-broken. Yesterday I felt physically a heaviness, foreboding and despair as if a I had been told a friend had become a heroin addict. There’s nothing I can do. Except to be more grateful for being born in a great country of parents adhering to its great values, and working for it so it doesn’t fly off into a lonely orbit like the US.

"Trumpism is regression, a consequence of a long overdue reckoning of playing the punk’s game: manipulation by the powerful and influential of lower classes to vote against their best interests. Americans believed electing a bigot-misogynist-racist in a constitutionally multicultural society would be an improvement, again voting against their best interests, making their lives worse."

Trump will have to listen carefully or suffer the same repudiation and humiliation of the current Establishment.
Posted By: JonR Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:03 PM
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken

(and I would have posted the exact same quote if Hillary had won)
Posted By: CJO Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 03:11 PM
Originally Posted By: ChiefShotguns
There were a few well known residents of the area of California near Hollywood who also threatened to leave the country if Trump won. Sean Hannity promised to charter a plane for them.




Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:13 PM
A little humour helps, Jon. It'll be a long wait for the blissful state of electing a moron, with the country now 50-50!
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:13 PM
President Obama has had the chance to have people discussing him in the history books for the next 5,000 years. But, they won't. He will be no more than a footnote, first kinda' black president in US history, if you don't count Mr. Clinton.
If he had not run so hard with his socialist dogma, that simply isn't applicable in a republic, put his narcissism on the back burner, and cooperated with the people in the legislative branch, the way he is supposed to, we could have seen great things.
Nobody can tell me a single great thing that he accomplished in 8 years, because there is literally nothing.
It was a complete waste.
We are paying the price for that wasted time. Have I mentioned the 40% of my pay that it takes to enrole in health insurance that I am now forced to buy? It used to be 5%, three years ago. I can't afford to use it, but, hey, I haven't been fined, yet.
I miss the later half of the Reagan years, when you opened a newspaper and saw 3-6 pages of jobs for your trade. What Mr. Obama gave us is literally the same thing Mr. Carter gave us, and that Mr. Reagan stripped away, setting the economy free of the government. You can argue about how you didn't like Mr. Reagan, but, you can't argue those were good times to be a productive member of society.
Mr. Trump has his work cut out for him, but, his fingerprints are not on the current mess, as he is an outsider. He owes no political favors to outside forces, as he used his own money to get elected. He has had a whole lifetime to deal with the stink and corruption of various government agencies that put their mark on every aspect of business and trade, and with any luck, he is good and sick of it.
If anyone can put the US back in order, it should be him. But, I heard that said that about Mr. Obama, too.


Best,
Ted
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:18 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....why we vote as we do:

"Why do we do it?....

....I’m heart-broken. Yesterday I felt physically a heaviness....

....Trumpism is regression....

I think you've been taught to make these important decisions based on emotion. Some folks can overcome emotion, for example some hold their nose's and vote. Perhaps a better approach would be to educate your future generations that there're option. Then, taking an option won't affect folks physically, and more important, candidates can be heard for the message and resume that they have, not the race or gender that tics off some feel good check list.

I'm sure your buddy knows you, but you may just be perpetuating a disservice. Put up a half way decent candidate, and the winner's ability to expose shortcomings would not have been there. I think 'ability', to stick to teflon, was interesting.
Posted By: keith Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:35 PM
Anyone who could not see this coming just hasn't been paying attention. I saw it and mentioned it here when I went to a Trump rally back in March of this year, and told you all about the unusual level of enthusiasm I saw. I told you about a black guy who I was talking to who had taken his daughter to a Hillary Clinton rally the week before, and brought her to the Trump rally so she could hear both sides in person. He seemed a bit embarrassed when he told me that he understood "how you guys feel." I asked what he meant, and he replied that he was talking about the middle class working man who had been beaten down by trade and taxes, and expected to continually pony-up more to support those who wanted more Socialism and a Welfare State...

That is exactly the kind of crap that has left King Brown feeling a physical heaviness, a foreboding, and despair. I couldn't be happier that he feels so bad and heart broken, because it is those things King supports which have made us weaker, poorer as a Nation, and mired in a crushing debt that may yet destroy us. No man can, in only four years, fix the mess that Liberalism has created over the last 50 years. And to think he is still crying about bigotry, racism, and misogyny when the absolute worst areas of the country are those that have been governed by Democrats exclusively just boggles the mind. His words are just more of the same Liberal Left dishonesty that had Trump dead and buried in a landslide of historic proportions just days ago.

I would hope that people have learned that the Liberal Left and the Liberal Media can not be trusted to tell the truth. Can you imagine what the actual result would have been if you took out all of the votes from dead people and election fraud.

It is interesting and educational to now see all of those unhappy Hillary Clinton supporters now protesting and refusing to accept the results of the election. The Liberal Left made a huge stink about the possibility that Trump might not concede defeat even if there were reports of massive voter fraud. Now it is them who cannot and will not accept the will of the electorate. King Brown has often excused assaults and infringements upon our Constitutional Rights by Obama and the Liberal democrats on the basis that majorities decide how they wish to be governed. You will not hear the same opinion from our resident fraud and anti-2nd Amendment Troll now.

It is also sad to hear from the people who were reluctant or actually afraid to voice their true feelings about this election, and their support for Trump. I was advised yesterday by a young family member to take down my Trump yard signs and to keep my mouth shut about having supported Trump in the coming weeks, because of threats that are now being made by Liberals on Social Media to attack Trump and his supporters. Because of that, I have decided to keep up my signs, and to also tape a couple onto the outside of my truck.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:59 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Anyone who could not see this coming just hasn't been paying attention. I saw it and mentioned it here when I went to a Trump rally back in March of this year, and told you all about the unusual level of enthusiasm I saw. I told you about a black guy who I was talking to who had taken his daughter to a Hillary Clinton rally the week before, and brought her to the Trump rally so she could hear both sides in person. He seemed a bit embarrassed when he told me that he understood "how you guys feel." I asked what he meant, and he replied that he was talking about the middle class working man who had been beaten down by trade and taxes, and expected to continually pony-up more to support those who wanted more Socialism and a Welfare State...

That is exactly the kind of crap that has left King Brown feeling a physical heaviness, a foreboding, and despair. I couldn't be happier that he feels so bad and heart broken, because it is those things King supports which have made us weaker, poorer as a Nation, and mired in a crushing debt that may yet destroy us. No man can, in only four years, fix the mess that Liberalism has created over the last 50 years. And to think he is still crying about bigotry, racism, and misogyny when the absolute worst areas of the country are those that have been governed by Democrats exclusively just boggles the mind. His words are just more of the same Liberal Left dishonesty that had Trump dead and buried in a landslide of historic proportions just days ago.

I would hope that people have learned that the Liberal Left and the Liberal Media can not be trusted to tell the truth. Can you imagine what the actual result would have been if you took out all of the votes from dead people and election fraud.

It is interesting and educational to now see all of those unhappy Hillary Clinton supporters now protesting and refusing to accept the results of the election. The Liberal Left made a huge stink about the possibility that Trump might not concede defeat even if there were reports of massive voter fraud. Now it is them who cannot and will not accept the will of the electorate. King Brown has often excused assaults and infringements upon our Constitutional Rights by Obama and the Liberal democrats on the basis that majorities decide how they wish to be governed. You will not hear the same opinion from our resident fraud and anti-2nd Amendment Troll now.

It is also sad to hear from the people who were reluctant or actually afraid to voice their true feelings about this election. I was advised by a young family member to take down my Trump yard signs and keep my mouth shut about having supported Trump in the coming weeks because of threats that are now being made on Social Media to attack Trump and his supporters. Because of that, I have decided to keep up my signs, and to also tape a couple onto the outside of my truck.


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Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 03:59 PM
"I haven't a clue..."

"I was wildly wrong..."

Hope you're feeling better. Maybe a donut would help?

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:00 PM
Originally Posted By: CJO
Originally Posted By: ChiefShotguns
There were a few well known residents of the area of California near Hollywood who also threatened to leave the country if Trump won. Sean Hannity promised to charter a plane for them.






laugh laugh laugh
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:05 PM
This election proves one thing conclusively: The USA is still a country where anyone can be President.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:09 PM
For millions of frustrated people he was their last hope. It will be interesting to see what will happen when people realize he can't deliver what he talked about and promised.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:12 PM
I'm sure King Brown will put out the welcome mat for Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Whoopi Goldberg, Rev. Al Sharpton, Cher, Miley Cyrus, Barbara Streisand, and others to move into his guest room which is already occupied by his imaginary friends John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King.

But I wonder why these Liberal racists all chose to move to Canada rather than Mexico???
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown


"Trumpism is regression, a consequence of a long overdue reckoning of playing the punk’s game: manipulation by the powerful and influential of lower classes to vote against their best interests. Americans believed electing a bigot-misogynist-racist in a constitutionally multicultural society would be an improvement, again voting against their best interests, making their lives worse."



This is exactly the sociopathic, statist, religious drivel and demonization that I expected from Comrade Sralin, our resident totalitarian bigot.

As I've reiterated on many occasions, Comrade Sralin knows nothing about America. The punk in this election was Clinton and the rest of the Red Statists attempting to manipulate the public into believing their "best interests" are to empower the Democrat party to extort the freedom from their fellow citizens and reward them with it. The Democrat party is the home of bigots, mysoginists and racists, as is the source of their ideology, the Communist Party. Electing a President that will actually make people more free is only regressive to a true totalitarian sociopath. Sralin, you are so doctrinal, and entertainingly predictable.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
"I haven't a clue..."

"I was wildly wrong..."

Hope you're feeling better. Maybe a donut would help

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Tuesday's Gone


It will be interesting to see what will happen when what was promised isn't delivered.

Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
For millions of frustrated people he was their last hope. It will be interesting to see what will happen when people realize he can't deliver what he talked about and promised.


It took over 50 years for Liberalism to cause the damage and crushing debt we have here in the U.S. Health care costs which were rising at 2 to 3 times the rate of inflation have exploded under ObamaCare.

No man will be able to undo that mess in just 4 years. Unfortunately, the pendulum swings both ways, and it has been much like a wrecking ball on one end of the swing, and largely ineffective on the other end of the swing. We all need to pray for Trump, and to proudly support him if he is to have any chance.

But anyone who thinks we were headed in the right direction is simply ignorant of the facts. And there are just no words to describe the foolishness of any real gun guy who would vote for an extreme anti-gunner like Hillary Clinton.







Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:32 PM
What keith said, jag. Anyway, I thrive in chaos. I grew up in Detroit.

ps. I make my own vodka and King doesn't drink.

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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:39 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
This election proves one thing conclusively: The USA is still a country where anyone can be President.

The turnout is reported to have been relatively low. This looks like a situation where rejection was merit based.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 04:49 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

It took over 50 years for Liberalism to cause the damage and crushing debt we have here in the U.S. Health care costs which were rising at 2 to 3 times the rate of inflation have exploded under ObamaCare.

No man will be able to undo that mess in just 4 years.



There is some hope he has been NYC businessman, Democrat for most of his life and now is moderate Republican therefore there is some hope. I wish for the best. He doesn't have 4 years the midterm elections are in 2018.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 05:21 PM
On a brighter side, he exposed the "inalienable right" myth for all to see. He promised as president to choose judges to make the Court rule on the Constitution to HIS way of thinking, and to punish his enemies as a consequence.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 05:28 PM
Glad you're feeling better. I knew that donut would work! Hard to be sad when you're eating donuts.


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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 05:38 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
On a brighter side, he exposed the "inalienable right" myth for all to see. He promised as president to choose judges to make the Court rule on the Constitution to HIS way of thinking, and to punish his enemies as a consequence.

Tsk-tsk. I'm sure you're eligible, but there aren't any races right now for you to run in.
Posted By: JDH Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 05:42 PM
He promised to choose judges that would rule according to original intent. You will never get it!
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 05:43 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
On a brighter side, he exposed the "inalienable right" myth for all to see. He promised as president to choose judges to make the Court rule on the Constitution to HIS way of thinking, and to punish his enemies as a consequence.


This is yet another King Brown lie, but I hope Dave does not delete it because it serves to illustrate the total disrespect that King has shown for our 2nd Amendment Rights, and his "inalienable" SUPPORT FOR ANTI-GUNNERS.

During the final Presidential Debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, he clearly stated that he would nominate Supreme Court Justices who respected the U.S. Constitution. Hillary did not make such a promise. Trump has already provided a list of the types of Judges who would hopefully do that, rather than attempt to legislate from the Bench, as has been the practice of the Liberal Wing of the Supreme Court. He has said the same thing countless times in his speeches, and especially emphasized his respect for the 2nd Amendment, but King Brown now chooses to lie about what he actually said because of his own sour grapes and terminal dishonesty.

Perhaps King can show us just where and when Donald Trump PROMISED that he would appoint judges who would rule on the law or the Constitution "TO HIS WAY OF THINKING, AND USE THEM TO PUNISH HIS ENEMIES AS A CONSEQUENCE".

A lot of Liberals apparently think that Hillary may be above the law, and are fearful as the FBI continues to investigate the crooked dealings of the Clinton Foundation, and a deeply corrupt candidate who destroyed over 30,000 e-mails kept on an illegal personal server by deleting them and wiping the hard drive with BleachBit, and by smashing personal Blackberries with a hammer AFTER a Congressional subpoena to turn them over as evidence. King won't mention those things because even a complete fraud like him knows such actions would never be done by someone who didn't have something to hide.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 06:46 PM
Sadly, on the subject of Supreme Courts, while I am happy the US version may be headed in the right direction, Trudeau just appointed a jurist to the Canadian SC who proudly proclaimed he looked forward to creating new law as a Supreme Court Justice.

Argh!!!!
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 06:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
"I haven't a clue..."

"I was wildly wrong..."

Hope you're feeling better. Maybe a donut would help

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Tuesday's Gone


It will be interesting to see what will happen when what was promised isn't delivered.



Why? Obama didn't do anything he promised and you voted for him twice.

SRH
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 07:25 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
On a brighter side, he exposed the "inalienable right" myth for all to see. He promised as president to choose judges to make the Court rule on the Constitution to HIS way of thinking, and to punish his enemies as a consequence.


Sralin,

Once again you prove your ignorance about America. Judges who decide their rulings based on the Constitution are quintessentially AMERICAN. As opposed to the statist, religious, sociopathic variety appointed by the Red Bretheren of yours in the Democrat Party. Punishing political enemies is the hallmark of totalitarians, not constitutionalists.
Posted By: David Williamson Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 07:42 PM
Yesterday there were some large cities that had protesters against Donald Trump. I was mostly made of students and I'm guessing illegals. I found out today listening to Rush Limbaugh that it was paid for by the Democratic party. Sore losers.
They are still talling the popular vote and so far it looks like the Donald will get that.
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 07:48 PM
Originally Posted By: JDW

They are still talling the popular vote and so far it looks like the Donald will get that.


That would not surprise me. The provisional votes now being tallied will mostly be military...Geo
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 08:56 PM
Judges do NOT create laws, they interpret their standings in courts of law over time. The legislature creates laws-
Posted By: steve f Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:09 PM
Right now it looks like about 52.5% of the voters were against Hillary for President and voted for someone else. She may have won a plurality of the popular vote, but the majority of voters did not cast ballots for her.

Also, Bill Clinton in 1992 had about 57% of the voters opposed to him. If there had been a proportionate assignment of electoral votes, he would have received about 230, well short of what he needed for the Presidency.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
Originally Posted By: King Brown
On a brighter side, he exposed the "inalienable right" myth for all to see. He promised as president to choose judges to make the Court rule on the Constitution to HIS way of thinking, and to punish his enemies as a consequence.


Sralin,

Once again you prove your ignorance about America. Judges who decide their rulings based on the Constitution are quintessentially AMERICAN. As opposed to the statist, religious, sociopathic variety appointed by the Red Bretheren of yours in the Democrat Party. Punishing political enemies is the hallmark of totalitarians, not constitutionalists.


I hate to disagree Ken, but King has not proved his ignorance of America here. What he has once again proved is his own extreme dishonesty. He knows damn well that Trump did not make any such promise to pick judges who would pervert the Constitution to his own way of thinking, and to also punish his enemies as a consequence.

This will be yet another place where King pretends to IGNORE my challenge to prove his latest lie. He can't prove it because it didn't happen. King's dwindling list of admirers won't be able to help him out either. I'll bet a couple of them are Googling their asses off right now hoping to prove me wrong, but they will also remain silent when they realize their Anti-2nd Amendment Canadian friend is lying again. But in true Liberal fashion, the ends justify the means for King. I know you have recognized this dishonest and despicable behavior in King (Comrade Sralin) in the past Ken. It was called Takiyya... also known as lying for the faith.

The Top Seven Techniques Liberals Use to Lie About Conservatives
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:35 PM
King was just logged in and looked at this thread again. Then he read a PM and logged out without providing any proof of what he claimed about Trump in his last post here.

Dishonesty is not civility. Can anyone give me one good reason why I should be nice to someone who lies to me?
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:38 PM
On a completely different note, hope none of y'all were long RGR.

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Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:49 PM
JDW knows that protests against Trump were paid for by the Democratic Party because Rush told him so. Now there's an example of informed opinion. Such protests are perfectly pointless, but to imagine they're manned by illegals and funded by the losing party is sillier yet. I've been impressed with Clinton's and Obama's gracious treatment of our newly elected President and can't help recalling that Mitch McConnell announced his mission was to see to it that Obama's administration failed. Democrats aren't always right, but they tend to have good manners. I wish Trump, and all of us, the very best and sincerely hope he can heal some of the nation's wounds.
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 09:57 PM
Not just Ruger... all gun stock has slipped.

The best gun salesman ever is about to be deported.

Maybe 22LR ammo will cease to be treated as currency.

Suppose we will see 99 cent/box 22 Blazers again?

That's exactly what I paid for 2 cases 1 year pre-Kenyan.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 10:02 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....Democrats aren't always right, but they tend to have good manners. I wish Trump, and all of us, the very best and sincerely hope he can heal some of the nation's wounds.

Bill, wouldn't you consider it bad manners to wound a nation? Dems are always on the left, and I'd hope the definition of manners hasn't been so muddied that we have forgotten what it means.

Take for instance yourself, I believe Trump has signaled that fed lands will remain fed land. If you accidentally end up with what you wanted, are you deplorable, or exempt?
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 10:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
Judges do NOT create laws, they interpret their standings in courts of law over time. The legislature creates laws-


Well that's how it is supposed to work but both here in Canada and in the US, activist judges have taken it upon themselves to render decisions that create law. Especially here in Canada.
Posted By: FlyChamps Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 10:48 PM
In the Wall Street Journal yesterday Gerald Seib had the most succinct statement I've read on this election.

"The deplorables rose up and shook the world."
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 10:57 PM
I liked jags Micheal Moore clip in the OT thread. You have a link for that jag?

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:20 PM
LR, I watched an interview with Moore about three weeks ago. Without meaning to read too much into it, I think I could see in Moore absolute awe at Trump's ability to do in 18 months with the Republican party, that which Moore has been trying to do for 25 years with the Democrats. Huge, although begrudging, admiration.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:31 PM
If you want to know who will win in 2020 or you want to ensure Trump wins a second term, just make sure you can answer TRUE to at least 7 of the following 13 questions:

1. Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.

6. Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.

8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.

9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.

10. Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.

11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.

13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.


A majority of trues for the incumbency will result in the incumbent (or his party) winning. A majority of falses and it's the challenger who wins. Successfully predicts every president's election since 1984.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:33 PM
James is accurate. Trump's ignorance of the justice system is exposed by his saying he'd get a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and he'd appoint and direct Supreme Court judges to make law favourable to his wishes. He doesn't have the legal authority to make law either way. Courts decide.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:41 PM
Add a No. 14 to remove the 13 jinx: The incumbent party avoids unwarranted hubris as "read my lips" or "no increase in premiums."
Posted By: David Williamson Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:42 PM
rocky mountain bill, do you think Rush made that up, he probably has more informants than anyone can imagine.

"I've been impressed with Clinton's and Obama's gracious treatment of our newly elected President"
"Well what else should they do? They ought to get down on the hands and knees and beg that Trump does not pursue what he told Hillary in the last debate. He said if he gets elected he will pursue the investigation and see that she does go to jail. Oslama might be her cell mate.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:46 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
James is accurate. Trump's ignorance of the justice system is exposed by his saying he'd get a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and he'd appoint and direct Supreme Court judges to make law favourable to his wishes. He doesn't have the legal authority to make law either way. Courts decide.


And that's a problem.

The US Constitution is designed so that Congress makes laws and the Executive branch (The President and his Cabinet) along with the full bureaucracy of the Federal government, execute and put into practice those laws that Congress has enacted.

Nowhere does it say that 9 political appointees are to make law. Nowhere does it say that the President is to rule domestic policy by executive order.

In Canada, by tricky sleight of hand by the revolting Pierre Trudeau, we were tricked, when our constitution was repatriated from GB and our Declaration of Rights and Freedoms enacted, into a set of rules, almost impossible to change, that puts the final say on all laws, in the hands of 9 political appointees.

And so when activists are appointed, they act.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:46 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Add a No. 14 to remove the 13 jinx: The incumbent party avoids unwarranted hubris as "read my lips" or "no increase in premiums."

Shuck, you stole my no. 14.

#15, save all dirt on the dem candidate for the last two weeks of the next election. It's tough for even dems to brush things off unless they have a good two and a half weeks.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:48 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Add a No. 14 to remove the 13 jinx: The incumbent party avoids unwarranted hubris as "read my lips" or "no increase in premiums."


King, I didn't make it up so I'm not changing what works. I will be hoping for a preponderance of trues four years from now. Must keep the socialists away from the levers of power. They make a cock up of it every time.


Edit to add: I'm off to horrify my SMUG socialist friends (They just think they are Liberals) by wearing my Trump hat tonight. Can't wait. Me and 40 whiners! LOL
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:49 PM
Hi, King

A little free advice. Move to Canada.


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Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:52 PM
BREAKING NEWS FROM CANADA

Hat tip Robmu1

The flood of Trump-fearing American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week. The Republican presidential campaign is prompting an exodus among left-leaning Americans who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, pay taxes, and live according to the Constitution.

Canadian border residents say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, liberal arts majors, global-warming activists, and “green” energy proponents crossing their fields at night.

“I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said southern Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. “He was cold, exhausted and hungry, and begged me for a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left before I even got a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. He then installed loudspeakers that blared Rush Limbaugh across the fields, but they just stuck their fingers in their ears and kept coming.

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals just south of the border, pack them into electric cars, and drive them across the border, where they are simply left to fend for themselves after the battery dies.

“A lot of these people are not prepared for our rugged conditions,” an Alberta border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a single bottle of Perrier water, or any gemelli with shrimp and arugula. All they had was a nice little Napa Valley cabernet and some kale chips."

When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing that they fear persecution from Trump high-hairers.

Rumors are circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer, study the Constitution, and find jobs that actually contribute to the economy.

In recent days, liberals have turned to ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have been disguised as senior citizens taking a bus trip to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans in blue-hair wig disguises, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior citizens about Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney to prove that they were alive in the ’50s.“If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we become very suspicious about their age,” an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage, are buying up all the Barbara Streisand CD’s, and are overloading the internet while downloading jazzercise apps to their cell phones.

“I really feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them,” an Ottawa resident said. “After all, how many art-history majors does one country need?"
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/10/16 11:53 PM
LR, after that one, I had to give you five stars!

POOP, I've already given you 5 stars.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/10/16 11:55 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
James is accurate. Trump's ignorance of the justice system is exposed by his saying he'd get a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and he'd appoint and direct Supreme Court judges to make law favourable to his wishes. He doesn't have the legal authority to make law either way. Courts decide.


Nothing like splitting hairs and obfuscation. Trump didn't know the appropriate political doublespeak, but everyone knew exactly what he meant. Sralin, you're obviously having trouble maintaining your grip on reality, a reality you're trying very hard to deny. You're going to be an endless source of amusement. To think that everything you believe has been rejected by the American voter must be traumatic. Yet, rather than intellectually accept and acknowledge the validity of this new objective reality, all you can do is demonize.

Why not start a refuge for fleeing Democrats on your place? You're welcome to them.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 12:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
BREAKING NEWS FROM CANADA

Hat tip Robmu1

The flood of Trump-fearing American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week. The Republican presidential campaign is prompting an exodus among left-leaning Americans who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, pay taxes, and live according to the Constitution.

Canadian border residents say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, liberal arts majors, global-warming activists, and “green” energy proponents crossing their fields at night.

“I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said southern Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. “He was cold, exhausted and hungry, and begged me for a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left before I even got a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. He then installed loudspeakers that blared Rush Limbaugh across the fields, but they just stuck their fingers in their ears and kept coming.

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals just south of the border, pack them into electric cars, and drive them across the border, where they are simply left to fend for themselves after the battery dies.

“A lot of these people are not prepared for our rugged conditions,” an Alberta border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a single bottle of Perrier water, or any gemelli with shrimp and arugula. All they had was a nice little Napa Valley cabernet and some kale chips."

When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing that they fear persecution from Trump high-hairers.

Rumors are circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer, study the Constitution, and find jobs that actually contribute to the economy.

In recent days, liberals have turned to ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have been disguised as senior citizens taking a bus trip to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans in blue-hair wig disguises, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior citizens about Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney to prove that they were alive in the ’50s.“If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we become very suspicious about their age,” an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage, are buying up all the Barbara Streisand CD’s, and are overloading the internet while downloading jazzercise apps to their cell phones.

“I really feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them,” an Ottawa resident said. “After all, how many art-history majors does one country need?"



That is hilarious!!! Where is that from?
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 12:47 AM
I don't know. Apparently it originated with Robmu1, whomever that may be.

Sorry I can't give proper credit, it was e-mailed to me.

I thought this audience might enjoy it.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:59 AM
Who ever came up with it deserves his own show!!! smile
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:02 AM
But, one thing that should worry the Democrats in the future is that Mike Pence is sitting 'on deck' and not only is he a wizard on the economy but he doesn't take to kindly to big government pushing small businesses and small business owners around. As an added threat he is also a darling of the evangelical community, a community that only turned out 80 percent this election. Some estimate between 3 to 5 million votes that were not cast this election, that's a lot of votes.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:04 AM
Ken, careful on hubris. Trump's problems are just beginning. The electorate is split evenly on what it believes.

You're way behind on refugees. The federal citizenship and immigration website crashed election night. A provincial website inviting Americans to come here if Trump wins has had more than one million hits.

Doesn't sound like sunny days there to me.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:16 AM
Sunny days? It would be if it wasn't for all those violent, rioting Hill supporters rampaging everywhere. Shameful. Uncivilized.

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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:20 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....The federal citizenship and immigration website crashed election night. A provincial website inviting Americans to come here if Trump wins has had more than one million hits.

Doesn't sound like sunny days there to me.

Only one million?

I hereby renounce my complementary Canadian citizenship, and replace it with all one million of 'em. Only one condition, you can't send 'em back to the US. Period!

Is this a good time to bring up a do something congress after the current obstructor-in-chief steps down in a couple of months?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:21 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ken, careful on hubris. Trump's problems are just beginning. The electorate is split evenly on what it believes.

You're way behind on refugees. The federal citizenship and immigration website crashed election night. A provincial website inviting Americans to come here if Trump wins has had more than one million hits.

Doesn't sound like sunny days there to me.



Hubris? I would guess that Obama is feeling that right about now. His whole sociopathic world is about to unravel. Not to mention the possibility he's extradited to Mexico along with Holder.

Somehow I don't think that website was crashed by Trump supporters. You're welcome to them. No doubt they'll be able to help you create your socialist utopia.
Posted By: Tim in PA Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:42 AM
Hubris? How about this one? "Elections have consequences" There is no one more arrogant than the current resident of the White House.

Tim
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:46 AM
If Canada flew off into a lonely orbit like the US, would anyone notice?

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Posted By: FlyChamps Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:49 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
You're way behind on refugees. The federal citizenship and immigration website crashed election night. A provincial website inviting Americans to come here if Trump wins has had more than one million hits.


If Bush get's elected, I'll leave the country...
Ever wonder what happened to all those celebrities who promised to leave the country if George W. Bush was elected president?


The original statements:

Eddie Vedder - "I'm moving to a different country if little Damien II gets elected."

Alec Baldwin - was never quoted directly, but reportedly made a statement to his wife Kim Basinger, who was later quoted in Focus magazine saying that Alec "might leave the country if Bush is elected president ... and then I'd probably have to go too."

Barbara Streisand - "I don't think you'll see me around here for at least four years."

Robert Altman - "If George Bush is elected president, I'm leaving for France."

Pierre Salinger - "If Bush wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in France."


The outcome:

Eddie Vedder was "extremely disappointed", but not enough to leave the US. He did go to Hawaii, however.

Alec Baldwin claims that he never made the statement, but even if he did it wouldn't matter since Bush wasn't really elected, he was "selected by five judges up in Washington who voted along party lines". (He originally claimed his wife never spoke with Focus magazine, a claim which he later recanted.)

Barbara Streisand, who was at a White House dinner when she made the statement, claims that when she said she would not be seen "around here" that she was only referring to not being seen around the White House.

Robert Altman, despite being caught on film, later insisted that he was misquoted, saying "Here's what I really said. I said that if Bush gets elected, I'll move to Paris, Texas, because the state will be better off if he's out of it."

Pierre Salinger moved to France.


I say good riddance to Pierre. To bad the others didn't also leave. Of course, like most liberals, almost none could carry through with any threat that affected them personally or their finances.

King, you and Canada are welcome to all our liberals - I do hope you get many, many millions of them.

Yes, I'm one of the "deplorables" and one who is the son of a legal immigrant and is in favor of LEGAL immigration and the deportation of all illegal border jumpers (they are NOT immigrants, they are criminals).
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 11:08 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
James is accurate. Trump's ignorance of the justice system is exposed by his saying he'd get a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton, and he'd appoint and direct Supreme Court judges to make law favourable to his wishes. He doesn't have the legal authority to make law either way. Courts decide.


King Brown is still telling lies here. I want to see him show us where and when Trump said that "he'd appoint and direct Supreme Court judges to make law favourable to his wishes."

What Trump actually said was that he would nominate judges who respected the U.S. Constitution. That is a far cry from either Hillary or Obama, who both threatened to infringe upon the Constitutional 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens while neglecting to follow Federal Immigration law.

King is correct that Presidents do not have the authority to make law. That's why there are numerous lawsuits ongoing in Federal Courts over Obama's many Executive Orders which were use to bypass Congress and the will of the people who elected them.

King apparently is one of the Liberals who feels that Hillary Clinton is above the law and immune from prosecution for her wanton illegal use and storage of highly classified information on an unsecured personal server. He feels she is above the law for perjuring herself before Congress, and for destroying evidence that Congress demanded under a subpoena. He feels that there is no possible justification for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to take a look at these, and many other very dubious activities including strong evidence of Pay for Play access by foreign governments via the Clinton Foundation.

King is also apparently OK with the impropriety of Bill Clinton having a clandestine meeting on the tarmac of an Arizona airport with Obama's Attorney General Loretta Lynch while the FBI was conducting an ongoing investigation into her criminal use of the personal server. This is exactly why a Special Prosecutor should have been appointed months ago.

You lied to us here yesterday King, about things Trump allegedly said. Once again, you could not prove your lies, or provide any source for what you claimed that Trump promised to do. So here you are doubling down with more lies and misinformation. We all know that you don't really IGNORE my posts. You read every single one, and cherry pick which ones to respond to, referring to me as "the Fringe" in the process. But you don't have the courage or integrity to respond on the multitude of times you lie to us.

What a spineless little man. What a complete fraud.

Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
JDW knows that protests against Trump were paid for by the Democratic Party because Rush told him so. Now there's an example of informed opinion. Such protests are perfectly pointless, but to imagine they're manned by illegals and funded by the losing party is sillier yet. I've been impressed with Clinton's and Obama's gracious treatment of our newly elected President and can't help recalling that Mitch McConnell announced his mission was to see to it that Obama's administration failed. Democrats aren't always right, but they tend to have good manners. I wish Trump, and all of us, the very best and sincerely hope he can heal some of the nation's wounds.


Ah, here's another reliable supporter of anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Left politicians giving his 2 pesos. Problem is that it is largely B.S. Here's a link to a story and undercover video that shows Clinton Operatives admitting to inciting "Anarchy" at Trump rallies.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17...y-trump-rallies

And the National News carried footage the day after the election of Hispanics and illegal aliens marching and carrying protest signs saying they would defy deportation. Rush Limbaugh did not invent those protests, or the fake Leftist funded protests which disrupted a Trump rally in Chicago.

As to the good manners by Democrats and nice treatment of Trump by Clinton and Obama... just days ago they were calling him everything but a white English gentleman, and unfit to serve as President. Mitch McConnell's statement about stopping Obama's agenda and making him a one term president was no different than Democrat Congressmen voting against every bit of legislation advanced by Bush 43. And has Bill forgotten how the Democrats convinced George Bush 41 to go back on his "No New Taxes" pledge, in the spirit of bi-partisanship... "for the good of the country"... and then immediately turned on him and used it to make him a one term president? But leave it to Bill to tar every Republican with the statement of one Senator who vehemently disagreed with the Obama agenda. And who, besides Rocky Mtn Bill, could forget how those polite and ever gracious Democrats trashed and vandalized the White House as the Clinton's moved out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/12/us/white-house-vandalized-in-transition-gao-finds.html

As Bill imagines the politeness, manners, and civility of Liberals, I'd guess that he has no problem with King Brown spouting absolute lies in his continuing attempts to denigrate Trump. My mother was a Democrat. But when she taught me manners, she must have forgotten to teach me to be a compulsive liar. Check out this video of some gracious Democrats.

Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 12:54 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
How long before construction starts on the wall ?


There will be enhancements to barriers in certain areas and perhaps increased security, but no great wall will be built. The productive illegals already here will get amnesty. Hillary will not be prosecuted,....... Are you ready for dose of reality?
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 12:56 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
[quote=rocky mtn bill]JDW knows that protests against Trump were paid for by the Democratic Party because Rush told him so. Now there's an example of informed opinion. Such protests are perfectly pointless, but to imagine they're manned by illegals and funded by the losing party is sillier yet. I've been impressed with Clinton's and Obama's gracious treatment of our newly elected President and can't help recalling that Mitch McConnell announced his mission was to see to it that Obama's administration failed. Democrats aren't always right, but they tend to have good manners. I wish Trump, and all of us, the very best and sincerely hope he can heal some of the nation's wounds.


It is truly amazing that there are people out there that listen to Rush Limbaugh and others like him and believe in half the stuff he is saying. I wish people would try to find out the truth and learn to think for themselves.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:04 PM
Fortunately for us Jagermeister, you are typically 100% wrong in your predictions and your assessments. Who did you say would win this election?

Hey Jagermeister, instead of making a fool of yourself again, why don't you help your anti-2nd Amendment pal King, and find some Trump quotes to support the crap he posted here about promises Trum supposedly made concerning Judicial nominations. Oh wait, I know... you can't do that because your buddy King was lying to us once again.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:04 PM
After watching that video maybe open borders aren't such a bad idea after all.



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Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:08 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
After watching that video maybe open borders aren't such a bad idea after all.


You make a good point lonesome. If only we could deport two whiny and dishonest Socialists for every productive illegal that came in. Then we could really make America great again.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:09 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Originally Posted By: keith
[quote=rocky mtn bill]JDW knows that protests against Trump were paid for by the Democratic Party because Rush told him so. Now there's an example of informed opinion. Such protests are perfectly pointless, but to imagine they're manned by illegals and funded by the losing party is sillier yet. I've been impressed with Clinton's and Obama's gracious treatment of our newly elected President and can't help recalling that Mitch McConnell announced his mission was to see to it that Obama's administration failed. Democrats aren't always right, but they tend to have good manners. I wish Trump, and all of us, the very best and sincerely hope he can heal some of the nation's wounds.


It is truly amazing that there are people out there that listen to Rush Limbaugh and others like him and believe in half the stuff he is saying. I wish people would try to find out the truth and learn to think for themselves.



Right, because Hillary, the Democrats and the MSM are so filled with factual, unbiased information.

Jag, don't be a moron. Truth is found today, not by embracing or rejecting any one source but by exposure to as many different sources as possible followed by careful consideration of the evidence.

What most suffer from is confirmation bias. The reason the MSM can't believe Trump got elected is confirmation bias. When James M (and everyone else) refuses to read posts, or news from 'Libtard' sources he exaggerates and confirms his already existing confirmation bias. The reason Brexit was surprising was confirmation bias.

THE REASON WASHINGTON IS SO SCREWED UP IS CONFIRMATION BIAS.

Don't bother telling me what I already know....tell me what will change my course of action.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:10 PM
It's truly amazing that there are people out there that deny the existence of of organizations like "Move On.org" and other type groups funded by people like Soros who pay for the people out there protesting and rioting. This is Leftist doctrine, and is continuously documented. Paid agitators have been behind all this stuff, from Occupy Wall Street, to Black Lives Matter, to the protesters at Trump rallies. To deny this is absurd.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:11 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Fortunately for us Jagermeister, you are typically 100% wrong in your predictions and your assessments. Who did you say would win this election?

Hey Jagermeister, instead of making a fool of yourself again, why don't you help your anti-2nd Amendment pal King, and find some Trump quotes to support the crap he posted here about promises Trum supposedly made concerning Judicial nominations. Oh wait, I know... you can't do that because your buddy King was lying to us once again.


I gave 70% chance to HRC and 30% to DJT just like many experts, so called. President Trump is life long Democrat from NYC. Frankly I'm not worried what he will do. The reality will kick in soon and I suspect many will not like what they got.

Film maker Michael Moore got this race right. Have you considered he might be right about some other things as well? Have you seen "Who do we invade next". It is very, very good.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:14 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Originally Posted By: keith
Fortunately for us Jagermeister, you are typically 100% wrong in your predictions and your assessments. Who did you say would win this election?

Hey Jagermeister, instead of making a fool of yourself again, why don't you help your anti-2nd Amendment pal King, and find some Trump quotes to support the crap he posted here about promises Trum supposedly made concerning Judicial nominations. Oh wait, I know... you can't do that because your buddy King was lying to us once again.


I gave 70% chance to HRC and 30% to DJT just like many experts, so called. President Trump is life long Democrat from NYC. Frankly I'm not worried what he will do. The reality will kick in soon and I suspect many will not like what they got.


So, like so much of the MSM, you just acknowledge how wrong you were about what was going on in the election and in the same breath you have the stones, the hubris to lecture us about what Trump is going or not going to do.

What does it take to get you idiots to accept you have been wrong and your prognostications are as valuable as my shit?

Edit to add: Sorry for being rude but this stuff defies belief.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
It's truly amazing that there are people out there that deny the existence of of organizations like "Move On.org" and other type groups funded by people like Soros who pay for the people out there protesting and rioting. This is Leftist doctrine, and is continuously documented. Paid agitators have been behind all this stuff, from Occupy Wall Street, to Black Lives Matter, to the protesters at Trump rallies. To deny this is absurd.


So so true. Willful ignoramuses!
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:18 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
After watching that video maybe open borders aren't such a bad idea after all.
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Yes, for far left open borders is very, very good idea.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:20 PM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: Ken61
It's truly amazing that there are people out there that deny the existence of of organizations like "Move On.org" and other type groups funded by people like Soros who pay for the people out there protesting and rioting. This is Leftist doctrine, and is continuously documented. Paid agitators have been behind all this stuff, from Occupy Wall Street, to Black Lives Matter, to the protesters at Trump rallies. To deny this is absurd.


So so true. Willful ignoramuses!


Yes, they exist. Doing bad things and blaming the other side can be extremely effective technique. Lets say you object David Duke speaking at certain place what is one to do? Well, why go yourself when African Americans are willing to do it for you? What to do when French wanted to enforce certain type of dress code that you do not like. Well, you send Muslims out into the streets.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:23 PM
Flychamps, Americans who fled to Canada during the Vietnam war made Canada a better place, significantly better in some circumstances. Our old stodgy seaport capital of Halifax---"Hell and Back"---was transformed by their presence into a prosperous and engaged destination, culturally and politically.

There's nothing positive in citizens despairing of their country to the point of leaving. But it's what tens of millions who built your great country did to find security and community they no longer had overseas. America welcomed them. Six Americans emailed yesterday they will make Nova Scotia their permanent home. We'll welcome them, gratefully, too.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:25 PM
Never under estimate the effects of "Cognitive Dissonance". The resulting religious reactions of " denial, dismissal, and demonization" are now rife within the Left. Some people will not be able to accept this new objective reality, and will lash out according to the sociopathic subjective morality of their statist religious beliefs. Remember, a major part of this Leftist religion is their preposterous belief in their own pseudo-elitism, and their entitlement to deprive others of their individual freedom, to the point of violence and even murder.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
Never under estimate the effects of "Cognitive Dissonance". The resulting religious reactions of " denial, dismissal, and demonization" are now rife within the Left. Some people will not be able to accept this new objective reality, and will lash out according to the sociopathic subjective morality of their statist religious beliefs. Remember, a major part of this Leftist religion is their preposterous belief in their own pseudo-elitism, and their entitlement to deprive others of their individual freedom, to the point of violence and even murder.


For the record I have no problems accepting the election results. I will be just fine. Matter of fact Keith said I will be better off than I'm now.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:30 PM
When "Cognitive Dissonance" runs into M1A, I like my odds.

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:41 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
When "Cognitive Dissonance" runs into M1A, I like my odds.

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If you want blood, you got it. Bon Scott


Societal disruption and disintegration have always been the goals of the Leftist Religion. Cloward and Piven doctrine has shown this. Most Americans instinctively know this, but do not yet recognize this in an intellectually objective way. Four to eight more years of Clinton could potentially have accomplished this goal, with the resulting declaration of Martial Law, the suspension of the Constitution, and the resulting elimination of the Left's political enemies and the establishment of a totalitarian dictatorship. Exactly what has happened in many other countries.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Yes, they exist. Doing bad things and blaming the other side can be extremely effective technique.


Ah Jagermeister, always the useful idiot. While some Liberals here pretended to be against anti-gunners, you came right out and admitted to proudly voting for Obama two times.

Now you are honest enough to admit to the things that King Brown and Rocky Mtn Bill would go to their graves denying. After all those two had to say about the evil Koch brothers during prior elections, why do you think they haven't said even one word about Charles Koch's support for Hillary, and her taking millions of dollars from Koch lobbyists?

Now you come out and endorse deceitful and dishonest campaign techniques while being critical of those who may believe what Rush Limbaugh says. You know, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life a a Democrat too before realizing that the Democrat Party had abandoned him philosophically. So don't be so confident that Trump will be a RINO who reverts to his Democrat roots. Not everyone is stupid enough to look at nearly 20 trillion dollars of debt and think it is good for the long term health of our country.

You still have not told us why a Troll like you keeps coming here when you do not even own one double gun! Why is that?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 01:49 PM
For the Koch's to have believed they were better off with Hilary is an excellent example of the existence of a self entitled Ruling Class. It doesn't appear they supported her directly, so if you have info please link to it. What they certainly were was tied to the Bush establishment dynasty and remained loyal to them.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:02 PM
"Six Americans..."

Just six, King? Pity.


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Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:04 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Yes, they exist. Doing bad things and blaming the other side can be extremely effective technique.


Ah Jagermeister, always the useful idiot. While some Liberals here pretended to be against anti-gunners, you came right out and admitted to proudly voting for Obama two times.

Now you are honest enough to admit to the things that King Brown and Rocky Mtn Bill would go to their graves denying. After all those two had to say about the evil Koch brothers during prior elections, why do you think they haven't said even one word about Charles Koch's support for Hillary, and her taking millions of dollars from Koch lobbyists?

Now you come out and endorse deceitful and dishonest campaign techniques while being critical of those who may believe what Rush Limbaugh says. You know, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life a a Democrat too before realizing that the Democrat Party had abandoned him philosophically. So don't be so confident that Trump will be a RINO who reverts to his Democrat roots. Not everyone is stupid enough to look at nearly 20 trillion dollars of debt and think it is good for the long term health of our country.

You still have not told us why a Troll like you keeps coming here when you do not even own one double gun! Why is that?


I'm do not support or endorse deceitful & dishonest campaign techniques, but simply admit they exist and can be very, very effective.

The only Koch I'm familiar with is Heckler & Koch GmBh. I have seen few Koch Bros. commercials and know their are billionaires actively involved in American political process. Would you like to know something about Heckler & Koch firearms? I'm very familiar with them.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Yes, they exist. Doing bad things and blaming the other side can be extremely effective technique.


Ah Jagermeister, always the useful idiot. While some Liberals here pretended to be against anti-gunners, you camera right out and admitted to proudly voting for Obama two times.

Now you are honest enough to admit to the things that King Brown and Rocky Mtn Bill would go to their graves denying. After all those two had to say about the evil Koch brothers during prior elections, why do you think they haven't said even one word about Charles Koch's support for Hillary, and her taking millions of dollars from Koch lobbyists?

Now you come out and endorse deceitful and dishonest campaign techniques while being critical of those who may believe what Rush Limbaugh says. You know, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life a a Democrat too before realizing that the Democrat Party had abandoned him philosophically. So don't be so confident that Trump will be a RINO who reverts to his Democrat roots. Not everyone is stupid enough to look at nearly 20 trillion dollars of debt and think it is good for the long term health of our country.

You still have not told us why a Troll like you keeps coming here when you do not even own one double gun! Why is that?


I'm do not support or endorse deceitful & dishonest campaign techniques, but simply admit they exist and can be very, very effective.


Hmmm. Why then have you continuously reiterated the demonization tactics of the Democrats?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:10 PM
I didn't say that the Koch's supported her directly Ken. I said she took money from Koch connected lobbyists. Charles Koch said she would be a better choice than any of the Republican back in July. Here's one link that shows Hillary's duplicity... pretending to reject the Koch's while taking a very different position when it comes to accepting funding:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carbonatedtv/hillary-rejects-koch-support_b_9780354.html

See how easy that was King. Or I could have just told lies like you do, and then pretend I didn't see the challenge to back up what I said.

Hey, why don't we all just lie to each other like King lies to us and see what a useful and productive discussion that would be. Dishonesty is not civility. But it seems to work fairly well for Libtards.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:13 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Flychamps, Six Americans emailed yesterday they will make Nova Scotia their permanent home. We'll welcome them, gratefully, too.


Be sure to post a nice picture of them and you sitting around in your little statist "Drum Circle" pining and wailing about how America is no longer a Leftist Utopia..
Posted By: Flintfan Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:17 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Six Americans emailed yesterday they will make Nova Scotia their permanent home.


Change that number from 6 to 6 million and I guarantee you would be wishing for a wall to be built built along the St. Lawrence and through the woods, whether you would admit it or not.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:17 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
I didn't say that the Koch's supported her directly Ken. I said she took money from Koch connected lobbyists. Charles Koch said she would be a better choice than any of the Republican back in July. Here's one link that shows Hillary's duplicity... pretending to reject the Koch's while taking a very different position when it comes to accepting funding:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carbonatedtv/hillary-rejects-koch-support_b_9780354.html

See how easy that was King. Or I could have just told lies like you do, and then pretend I didn't see the challenge to back up what I said.

Hey, why don't we all just lie to each other like King lies to us and see what a useful and productive discussion that would be. Dishonesty is not civility. But it seems to work fairly well for Libtards.


Yeah, so much for the Koch's being Constitutional Libertarians. Not surprising, really. Ruling Class pseudo-elitism.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:24 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Six Americans emailed yesterday they will make Nova Scotia their permanent home.


If those six Americans are as disdainful of telling the truth as you are King, I wouldn't expect to see them anytime soon. But if they are anything like you, I'd help them pack for their move.

I thought this post yesterday from the "Make America Great Again" thread was funny:

Originally Posted By: 1cdog
Gee after reading the headline I thought this thread was announcing a permanent ban on king brown.......
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:26 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Flychamps, Americans who fled to Canada during the Vietnam war made Canada a better place, significantly better in some circumstances. Our old stodgy seaport capital of Halifax---"Hell and Back"---was transformed by their presence into a prosperous and engaged destination, culturally and politically.


King, I would happily challenge this point. The draft dodgers, who hid from their responsibilties by coming to Canada, brought with them a social and cultural viewpoint (admittedly not the only source) that I think has been incredibly damaging to our country and our society.

In a nutshell, a rejection of that which made Canada great and a long term diminution of our country.

Remember all those historical moments you are so proud to tout...our soldiers behaviors and accomplishments in two world wars? Those draft dodgers you also laud have, with others of like mind, systemically destroyed what those men fought for.

King, you can't have it both ways.

Remember that when you bow your head in silent remembrance today at 11:11 am. Who really do you champion?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:33 PM
Here's who King will likely pay homage to on this Poppy Day James



Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 02:56 PM
Ah, don't forget that that psychopath said "Religion is the Opiate of the Masses". Has it ever occurred to anyone that he may of meant the Marxist-Leninist religion? An opiate that has been pushed on the American public for over 100 years.

King is our resident "Drug Pusher"...
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:07 PM
The US just said NO to Heroine!


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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:22 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads



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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 03:56 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Americans who fled to Canada during the Vietnam war made Canada a better place, significantly better in some circumstances....
....There's nothing positive in citizens despairing of their country to the point of leaving....

....Six Americans emailed yesterday they will make Nova Scotia their permanent home. We'll welcome them, gratefully, too.

I too am so upset with the Tuesday's vote, that I'm entitled to have things both ways. You seem to be advocating for emotionally driven decisions. It shouldn't be necessary, but you should be reminded that when obama policy, yes policy, was criticized around these parts, you continually referred to the will of the people as justification.

Is a two month a year summer cabin considered a 'permanent' home. If you are any kind of friend of the double gun, your 'buddies' homes would look like hunting cabin on adjoining acreage, maybe 30 or 40 thousand combined? When you and your 'buddies' clear out and head to Fl in July, you could hand over the keys to your 'unrulies' on the forum. We'll call it the annual fall NS climate change summit....and duck hunt. Don't forget to leave a big old stack of fire wood and top off the heating fuel before you folks hit the road.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 04:34 PM
Aren't decisions based on emotions, craig? Americans voted for change, with poisonous consequences for the future. The country's split along the racial, rural-urban divide as it's ever been. Americans chose between the most-disliked candidates in history, a greedy woman who would have continued manipulation of the electorate for the Establishment, and a vile man who promised an end to cozy Washington, wreck it absolutely and start again.

Trump, Obama, Bush were the people's choice for all that, and exit polls reveal that millions held their noses with Trump, evangelicals surprisingly to me. I've been on this forum long enough to know members would have preferred as president someone not accused of sexual assault of 12 women, fined $300,000 for using "illegals" to build Trump Tower, cited for discrimination against people of colour, facing tax fraud charges in Mexico, made derogatory comments about women, Mexicans, Muslims, first candidate in 40 years to refuse to release his income tax returns, and creatively lost $918,000,000 in 1995 to avoid paying taxes for nearly 20 years.

No member of this forum would have chosen Trump if their electoral system had provided a responsible alternative. All have my sympathy.



Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 05:10 PM
Looks like King Brown plans to continue to use falsehoods in order to denigrate the only logical choice we had for protecting our gun rights in this election. Trump was not fined $300,000 for using illegals to work on Trump Tower in the 1980's as King reports. Trump was sued by a labor union after one of his demolition sub-contractors hired illegal Polish workers. Trump did not hire those workers. They were hired by the sub-contractor after Trump had contracted his services for demolition. Trump testified that he had no idea the workers were illegal immigrants. He did end up setting the lawsuit for a sealed and undisclosed amount. Here's a link to the story from the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/De...Was-Rubio-right

Trump has employed thousands of U.S. workers including many women and minorities. Hillary Clinton has employed only personal servants, security, and campaign staff, and paid women much less than men for doing the same work at the Clinton Foundation.

Funny how King wants to crow about a dozen women who came out of the woodwork only a couple weeks before the election to make obviously scripted and unfounded and unproven charges of sexual assault against Trump, yet he continues to totally ignore that stained blue dress with Bill Clinton's DNA on it from the sexual act he lied to the American people about... along with all of the other women who claim that Bill raped them. In a most blatant insult to women, Hillary defended those actions by smearing the reputations of the women involved. Why won't King mention how Hillary tried to blame the 12 year old girl for the actions of the man she defended after he raped her and nearly killed her?

Trump admitted using the tax laws as written to avoid paying income taxes after taking massive losses in his business. Most here have also used the tax code to avoid paying income taxes whenever possible. I doubt if anyone here refused their mortgage interest deduction or refused to claim their children as exemptions. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that we are not obligated to pay a penny more in taxes that we owe under the law. Trump did not produce his tax returns, but he has been audited by the IRS every year for decades. If he was breaking the law, the IRS would have done something about it. But King Brown still will not address the fact that Obama is the only president since Truman who still has not released his educational records, which would likely show that he took aid for foreign students. There would be only two reasons to do that... because he defrauded the system, or because he actually was a foreign student.

We don't want your sympathy King. We want you to quit lying to us in order to advance your Socialist and anti-2nd Amendment agenda.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 05:11 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Aren't decisions based on emotions, craig? Americans voted for change, with poisonous consequences for the future. The country's split along the racial, rural-urban divide as it's ever been. Americans chose between the most-disliked candidates in history, a greedy woman who would have continued manipulation of the electorate for the Establishment, and a vile man who promised an end to cozy Washington, wreck it absolutely and start again.

Trump, Obama, Bush were the people's choice for all that, and exit polls reveal that millions held their noses with Trump, evangelicals surprisingly to me. I've been on this forum long enough to know members would have preferred as president someone not accused of sexual assault of 12 women, fined $300,000 for using "illegals" to build Trump Tower, cited for discrimination against people of colour, facing tax fraud charges in Mexico, made derogatory comments about women, Mexicans, Muslims, first candidate in 40 years to refuse to release his income tax returns, and creatively lost $918,000,000 in 1995 to avoid paying taxes for nearly 20 years.

No member of this forum would have chosen Trump if their electoral system had provided a responsible alternative. All have my sympathy.


What a bunch of "Butthurt Pap". Obama has divided America along racial lines, all according to Soviet doctrine. The dislike of Trump only started after Trump won the nomination and the psychopolitical demonization machine started in on him. You're pushing another mythological narrative, bleating along with the millions of other statist religious dupes. How many times has Trump been accused and charged with assault before the election? It's amazing that sociopathic zealots like you actually think you can influence anyone. I mean besides your fellow religious dupes, minions, and useful idiots. People chose Trump because of the issues, not because of all your sociopathic nincompoopery.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 05:21 PM
Poisonous, divide, disliked, greedy, manipulation, vile, wreck, assault, derogatory (did I miss any?)

Never mind your sympathy, King. I need a donut!

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Posted By: Dave K Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 05:25 PM
ahh King, I see you come out of the self induced "unelectible" and Hillary in a "landslide" delusional coma to regurgitate more lies and you useless condescension !

Amazing that you still think you know Americans-or people on this forum who did NOT "hold their nose" to save the Republic and happy we did !



Bet your gonna just love the first 100 days too,some highlights for ya:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...-american-vote1

" on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back
FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

" Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

"A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure

you can go back to your imaginary 6 friends that are leaving America and see if they will listen
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 05:38 PM
Dave K

Don't worry about #7. Global leader and powerhouse Canada will step in and fill that void.


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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 06:01 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Aren't decisions based on emotions, craig? Americans voted for change, with poisonous consequences for the future. The country's split along the racial, rural-urban divide as it's ever been....

....No member of this forum would have chosen Trump if their electoral system had provided a responsible alternative....

Awe c'mon King, didn't I write policy? In the past when policy 'differences' were 'discussed', didn't you tell me to suck-it-up-buttercup, the people have spoken?

Divide? This morning, bo's press parrot josh something or another said, the prez stands by everything he said on the campaign trail. Do you think that's the kind of legacy an upper third best prez ever was supposed to leave, a loosing campaigner?

Okay, I'll scale back, twenty thousand acres? I've been thinking seriously about this. Leave some good breakfast sausage in the freezer. I'll rustle up some eggs, and me-n-Jake jr are gonna eat like kings, pardon me, before we head out into the marsh.

In the primaries when the 'proper' candidates like jeb wilted, I could bet you would've liked to see that kind of formidable door mat to go up against your gal. Any of the other failed sixteen would've given me more than enough policy opposition to your gal.

The only thing I was looking for in Trump was to see if it was possible not to get borked. All the bimbos, trump u, tax, etc., amazingly little for such a public figure, weren't able to break through his ability to wag the news around. Sure, it was a time of change, but isn't it always. Who took the ball, defined it, and ran with it?

Does your vile failure of a President Elect really bother you that much, or is it the positive enthusiasm radiating out of the meetings with the heads of Congress? Why do you keep trying to bork him? The election's over, why not study up, and when his staff and cabinet starts to form, let's bork them instead?
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 08:56 PM
Clearly, you don't think you've been borked. Your Tea Party wanted Trump, pushed GOP to disintegration while its sanctioned leaders said no way they could support him, as did half the electorate who knew a vulgar greaser when they saw one.

Half the electorate, craig. A dream president wouldn't have a mandate to do what he promised with your racial, urban-rural and cultural divisions rending the country.

Electing a bigot, misogynist, racist in a constitutionally multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-political society to "make America great again" simply can't happen.

So, yes, I'm bothered tremendously that this predatory grab-em-by-the-pussy president is now the face of the United States America to the world. It's not fair the opposing half must suffer the embarrassment and humiliation.

To understand what has happened to Trumpers is to believe the unbelievable.
Posted By: Goillini Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:08 PM
Keep your sympathy Mr. Brown. I don't want it. I've watched you pontificate about American politics for months now, as if your opinion was fact. You were so far off the mark, why would anyone pay attention to you now? Although you claim to love the US, your disdain shows through most of your posts. I don't consider myself one of the "lower classes" (your words, which really show a lot about you) and I didn't vote against my best interests.

I guess what I'm trying to say, with all due respect and I mean this in the nicest possible way, is I really wish you'd just STFU.
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:12 PM
King's just mad because we went and elected a prettier First Lady than Canada has. Thank the Lord our new 1st lady is NOT Bill Clinton!...Geo
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:28 PM
Shame Bernie got borked, eh, King? Are you tremendously upset about that or just a bit peeved?

I just spent a few billion of your gazillions from your trade deal at the UN. Hope you don't mind. Gotta pay to play, eh? Got some bad pipes in Flint we need to fix. Sell you a Zumwalt destroyer too. They're only 600 million (US). How many you want?
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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:31 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Clearly, you don't think you've been borked. Your Tea Party wanted Trump, pushed GOP to disintegration while its sanctioned leaders said no way they could support him, as did half the electorate who knew a vulgar greaser when they saw one.

Half the electorate, craig. A dream president wouldn't have a mandate to do what he promised with your racial, urban-rural and cultural divisions rending the country.

Electing a bigot, misogynist, racist in a constitutionally multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-political society to "make America great again" simply can't happen.

So, yes, I'm bothered tremendously that this predatory grab-em-by-the-pussy president is now the face of the United States America to the world. It's not fair the opposing half must suffer the embarrassment and humiliation.

To understand what has happened to Trumpers is to believe the unbelievable.



Again, Comrade Sralin, you parrot the doctrinal, sociopathic, statist religious demonization dogma. You're the racist totalitarian bigot, quickly losing your grip on reality due to your inability to be intellectually objective. Wipe off the drool and understand this election was about issues, and was a clear repudiation of your sociopathic religion.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:35 PM
Printing error. Zumwalts are 2.5 billion. Better just get one.

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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:36 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....president wouldn't have a mandate to do what he promised....

Now we're talk'in issues! What are we going to do with that new sen min leader chukie shroomer. He's gonna do his durnest to block and disrupt progress. Maybe Trump should grab-em-by-the-pussy, and drag him along kicking and screaming?

Naw, thanks for the good chuckle. I think you should email your six buddies back and tell them to knock the nonsense off. Running away from the comfort of their mansions and country clubs won't help bridge the divide between your utopia and misery the rest of us grovel in. Or, they were just kidding?
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:41 PM
craigd

I was thinking they were coming from Scranton or Newark. Who in their right minds moves to Nova Scotia?


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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 09:45 PM
My parents once vacationed in Nova Scotia. They said it was a nice place to visit, but they wouldn't want to live there.

Considering the clear differences between Trump and Trudeau, it's going to be interesting comparing policies and results over the next several years. Any Canadian predictions for the record? Of course, when America's economy gets back to normal Canada will massively benefit regardless.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 10:21 PM
I don't really believe that King got e-mails from 6 U.S. citizens who now plan to move to Nova Scotia.

Considering the non-stop stream of lies, misinformation, Leftist propaganda and bullshit that pours forth from King, I don't believe much of anything he posts here. When I check his claims or facts and figures, I almost invariably find that what he tells us isn't factual. And considering the replies he has gotten over the last few days, it would appear that not many other people respect his opinion or believe his crap anymore either. It now appears that "grab 'em by the pussy" is going to be King's new rallying cry to replace "putting women in binders". Since this is a family forum and King pretends to abhor vulgar language, I would suggest a substitute word. How about "grab 'em by the nca225." instead? Same difference.

Of course King has no one to blame but himself for totally smashing the credibility and respect he once had here. It's sad and pathetic to see him trying to lie his way back to respectability. It's even more pathetic to think that King actually believes his bullshit. I used to think he was fairly intelligent. My opinion about that changed some time ago. He has to be pretty stupid to actually think he's fooling anyone anymore. He even lost his lapdog ed good to stroke his ego.

He's had two days to back up the dishonest statement he made about Trump's Judicial nominations, and produced nothing but blather in an attempt to run away from the questions. Going down in flames is never pretty.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/11/16 11:54 PM
Issues? Clear repudiation? The rest of the world is aghast, grateful half of the American electorate wouldn't vote for him.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:13 AM
Bernie was sincere but couldn't have done much under your system. Under a parliamentary system, if you win on your platform you have a mandate to do it. Bernie provided a better person and policies than the others. He was true to himself and his country. But money would have taken him down. I never thought of him as having a chance. So neither upset or peeved.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:47 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Bernie was sincere but couldn't have done much under your system. Under a parliamentary system, if you win on your platform you have a mandate to do it. Bernie provided a better person and policies than the others. He was true to himself and his country. But money would have taken him down. I never thought of him as having a chance. So neither upset or peeved.

You're going a little insincere for bern. Didn't Trump win on the tiniest of budgets? Before the 'race' was over, didn't bern get himself a not too shabby beach house? Just like the rest of the proletariat, eh? He's running again, is free crumbs a better policy? What if four years of Trump has kids dreaming of employers competing for their skills?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:53 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Issues? Clear repudiation? The rest of the world is aghast, grateful half of the American electorate wouldn't vote for him.


Irrelevant. The majority of the World lives in the utopia of totalitarianism. The path of which this Country has been on the last eight years. Why on earth would you think that what statists like you think is important to the average American? America is exceptional, and that exceptionalism will be considerably prolonged by this election.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:54 AM
Geo, Melania is a fine looking woman. While I was brought up to value character over looks, I wouldn't discount her looks or remind members of how her boorish husband insulted women on their appearances ---"Can you imagine voting for that face?" and the wife of another candidate.

Sophie Trudeau is a fine looking woman, too, admired for intellectual merit as media personality on our English- and French-language networks. I'm glad, not mad, you have a pretty First Lady, or prettier. Mom told me early on that it's as easy to marry a woman of intellect as one without one. Margaret must have told the same to Justin.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:59 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Issues? Clear repudiation? The rest of the world is aghast, grateful half of the American electorate wouldn't vote for him.


I'm guessing all the people who voted yes to Brexit understand why people voted for Trump. I'm guessing the women in Germany and Sweden who can no longer walk safely in their own towns due to sexual harassment by "economic refugees" understand why people voted for Trump.

King, like so many Canadians, you put way too much stock in what other people think.

So here's what other people think.....more people from more countries would like to immigrate to the US than any other country on earth. Even with Trump as President.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:05 AM
"Exceptionalism" is a myth, Ken. What's so unusual of US development toward freedom and liberty? Many countries, including Canada, developed good governance without the social scars and burdens America carries today.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:07 AM
To many of those people coming to our shores, Hell would be an improvement.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:11 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
"Exceptionalism" is a myth, Ken. What's so unusual of US development toward freedom and liberty? Many countries, including Canada, developed good governance without the social scars and burdens America carries today.


Interesting opinion. No doubt the Soviet Union was "Exceptional" according to your views. Once again, your opinion is irrelevant. As is ultimately, Canada.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:13 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....the social scars and burdens America carries today.

Is that three days of scars and burdens, or a legacy of scars and burdens?
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:25 AM
Unlike US and USSR, Canada didn't have a revolution or set out to transform the world. It developed without slavery, a bloody civil war, Wild West. Countries with the highest standards of living did similarly. The US and USSR are exceptional in their revolutionary origins. The notion of US as best country in the world is an anachronism, a myth, out of whack with reality.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:42 AM
Before Trump, Americans said their governance had failed them, money ruled in Washington, there were no longer tribunes advocating in their interests. Dysfunction reigned, of crises meeting federal payrolls, paying the military, racial violence, a continuum of massacres, despairing generations, inequality widening, are a legacy of social scars evolved from a loss of community, publics at each others' throats, exacerbated by Trump's campaign of demeaning, hatred and bigotry.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:56 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Unlike US and USSR, Canada didn't have a revolution or set out to transform the world. It developed without slavery, a bloody civil war, Wild West....

Some forget that Canada developed by ravaging her native people, a truth confirmed by token guilt payments meant to placate elite anglo invaders. Maybe. There is a new US county map out in the last day or two. It's shaded red and blue. The tiny blue areas are your cesspools of the so called wild west. As you noticed, the most obscene infestation of criminal thugs and debauchery. Regardless, it's the absolute greatest country, bar none.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/12/16 01:57 AM
So nice to see "lying" King be such a sore loser-as expected,enjoying every post you slug,you will NEVER escape your ignorance of Americans and our fight to keep the Republic that you prove time and time again !

BTW King, beside the generational change in the USSC for pro 2nd Amendment-and pro Life, most of the old time socialist libtard's like YOU,will never see another Dem president after the last 8 years of FAILURE -thankfully we will unwind most of it in his first 100 days.

the Dems are now circling the drain nation wide

Dems getting flushed nation wide !

We all know how devastating the loss of the presidency is to Democrats, particularly when combined with Republicans holding the Senate and House.

But, it was equally bad, if not worse, for Democrats at the state level.

In the past 8 years Republicans have made devastating gains at the state level, taking over numerous state houses and other statewide offices, and state legislatures. It’s been the equivalent of washing the sand out from under the Democratic political house, depriving Democrats of a training ground in which to grow future leadership.



Republicans expanded their ranks of governors, winning Democratic-held seats in Vermont, New Hampshire and Missouri. The party also made gains in state executive offices and in legislatures across the country.
By Wednesday morning, Republicans had won control of the Iowa state Senate, the Kentucky House and the Minnesota state Senate.


The results mean Republicans appear likely to have added to their already considerable power in the states, riding a wave of populism headed by President-elect Donald Trump….

If current results hold, Republicans will control 69 of 99 legislative chambers across the country. Democrats will control only 30, the same breakdown as before voters went to the polls.

Republicans defended virtually every state legislature where their narrow majorities were in peril. The party appears to have preserved narrow one-seat majorities in the New York and Washington state Senates, both chambers in which a Democrat caucuses with Republicans to give them control. Republicans also defended slender majorities in state Senate chambers in Maine, Colorado, New Hampshire and West Virginia.

Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:00 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....exacerbated by Trump's campaign....

Okay, so it is a legacy problem. If we start from scratch, is there such a thing as a two month legacy?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:01 AM
No King,

America's problems are due to the ascendency of your sociopathic, statist religion of Marxist-Leninism. The Cold War never ended, it's being waged on by the Soviet proxy, the Democrat party. Now, when it is defeated in battle, you religious nutjobs go ape-shite. So predictable.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/12/16 02:08 AM
Yeah, pretty sure Ken pissed him off with the Canada is irrelevant comment. Starting to feel like Thanksgiving dinner at my house. You guys are a trip.

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/12/16 02:20 AM
Yeah, this would be considered just a normal day in Misfires. How I miss it so...
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/12/16 02:32 AM
Me too.

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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/12/16 03:00 AM
The reverse might not be true.

Just sayin.

Best,
Ted


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Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:15 AM
It is true Canada treated her indigenous people terribly, taking their lands without compensation, setting them off in reservations, breaking solemn treaties. Only now is there serious consideration to their circumstances and reconciliation. I know the story well as great-grandson of a full-blood Mi'kmaq working with First Nations in forestry and fisheries for nearly 50 years. Canada did not have an extermination policy, genocide, and warring tribes fleeing the US to the Great White Mother (Canada) were often met by a single Mountie. Guilty on ravaging, but not killing them off like bisons nor founded on slave labour.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:37 AM
Yup, he's pissed.


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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:37 AM
If all countries went back through all their histories and attempted to correct wrongs inflicted by and on people who are long dead, things would be completely unworkable. You cannot apply contemporary standards to what happened, you can only understand historical context and use it to prevent future injustice. Perpetuating Victim Cults for political purposes only causes more injustice. Law is correctly applied in America on an individual basis, not according to the morality of a sociopathic collective.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:55 AM
Who cares?

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Posted By: David Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:57 AM
Can we trade Miley Cyrus for Gordon Lightfoot?
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 04:07 AM
Yup, he's slow.

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Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 10:20 AM
I called Barak Hussein Obama my President (capital letters) for eight years because he was elected to the office. I respected the office and the will of the American people, not him. If the socialists can't do the same, then they fall on the wrong side of history...Geo
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 12:51 PM
Geo, I'm not sure what your "respect for the office" means. Were those who insulted Obama on this forum on the wrong side of history? Was the birther Trump himself?

My references to Trump as a vulgar sexual predator, in his own words broadcast to the world, do not reflect on the office, the flag or the people of America. He is what he is.

Are you referring to President more in an honorific sense? Canadians just removed a prime minister who was called all sorts of things without being disrespectful to their parliamentary institutions.

Justin currently is being called Sunny Boy, cynically and sympathetically, because that's what he is. Governance, we'll wait and see, as will the United States of America.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 01:04 PM
Want to reconsider last sentence, Ken? Law may be applied on an individual basis but usually applied to all: the draft, segregation, social benefits etc reflecting a country's collective values, ethics, morality.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:09 PM
Nope. I think you know what I mean when I use the term "Collectivism". Unconstitutional, Sociopathic, Statist, Religious, Collectivism. The antithesis to individual freedom and equality, the protection of which is the basis of American Exceptionalism.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:25 PM
It feels so good to see Clintons "pack their luggage". President Trump has potential to be great president. I look forward to the future with great expectations.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:32 PM
I wonder what the reflection of your values, ethics, and morality is going to look like when you all have to start paying your fair share for the defense of those values. Canada can start by putting up 10 billion to the UN to fund its global warming research.

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Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:35 PM
King Brown just can't stop telling blatant lies.

He couldn't offer any proof of his repeated lies about alleged "promises" that Trump made to nominate or appoint Justices who would pervert the U.S. Constitution by interpreting it according to Trump's whims.

King also couldn't back up his lie that Trump would use those judges to punish his enemies. King, predictably, ran away from those lies by attempting to change the subject, and moved on to tell more lies.

Now King Brown is repeating the lie that Trump is a sexual predator. Incidentally, many of Rocky Mtn Bill's polite and good mannered Democrats are using the exact same words (DNC Talking Points) as King. Check out Sen. Harry Reid's disgusting sour grapes comments from yesterday.

I'd like to see King provide some proof that Donald trump is a sexual predator. His crude speech from the 1980's does not nearly rise to criminal behavior. There has been greater disrespect for women from King's little friend nca225 right here, which King asked us to forgive and forget. I'd like King to show us the Trump equivalent of the stained blue dress that contained ejaculate from Bill Clinton... which he lied to the American people about... and which Hillary excused by attacking the reputations of the women he serially sexually abused.

King thinks I care that he refuses to engage me. The last thing I wish to do is to debate with a compulsive liar. But I will continue to point out King's serial dishonesty.

King's brand of lies, dishonesty, and obfuscation is precisely why his precious Democrats lost an election to a candidate who had plenty of warts of his own. They couldn't run on Hillary's record, so they spent hundreds of millions of dollars and used their media lapdogs to run an endless stream of exaggerations and outright lies about what Trump said or did. Trump was simply preferable to the alternative... on trade, jobs, the economy, the deficit, National security, and respect for the Constitution. And King is a dishonest sore loser who is acting like a spoiled child, and similar to the spoiled children who are rioting because they are anything but gracious in defeat.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:44 PM
Soon presidential briefings make their influence and things will be back to normal. I'm sure I will be better off in the future than I'm today. Life is grand.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:50 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
King Brown just can't stop telling blatant lies.

He couldn't offer any proof of his repeated lies about alleged "promises" that Trump made to nominate or appoint Justices who would pervert the U.S. Constitution by interpreting it according to Trump's whims.

King also couldn't back up his lie that Trump would use those judges to punish his enemies. King, predictably, ran away from those lies by attempting to change the subject, and moved on to tell more lies.

Now King Brown is repeating the lie that Trump is a sexual predator. Incidentally, many of Rocky Mtn Bill's polite and good mannered Democrats are using the exact same words (DNC Talking Points) as King. Check out Sen. Harry Reid's disgusting sour grapes comments from yesterday.

I'd like to see King provide some proof that Donald trump is a sexual predator. His crude speech from the 1980's does not nearly rise to criminal behavior. There has been greater disrespect for women from King's little friend nca225 right here, which King asked us to forgive and forget. I'd like King to show us the Trump equivalent of the stained blue dress that contained ejaculate from Bill Clinton... which he lied to the American people about... and which Hillary excused by attacking the reputations of the women he serially sexually abused.

King thinks I care that he refuses to engage me. The last thing I wish to do is to debate with a compulsive liar. But I will continue to point out King's serial dishonesty.

King's brand of lies, dishonesty, and obfuscation is precisely why his precious Democrats lost an election to a candidate who had plenty of warts of his own. Trump was simply preferable to the alternative, and King is a dishonest sore loser who is acting like a spoiled child, and like the spoiled children who are rioting because they are anything but gracious in defeat.


Happy VD. Thanks for your service.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 02:51 PM
Life is grand...until one of these little socialist pricks smashes your Maser.

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Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:06 PM
Or even less grand when he smashes your Mauser. IMO- The M-1 Garand is grand, the K98 Mauser BA is still the best design, and the basis or our 1903 Springfield and the Winchester pre-1964BA rifles- the M54 and the M70--
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:25 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....I'm not sure what your "respect for the office" means. Were those who insulted Obama on this forum on the wrong side of history?....

....My references to Trump as a vulgar sexual predator, in his own words broadcast to the world, do not reflect on the office, the flag or the people of America. He is what he is....

It might be an insult not to address him as President obama. But, weren't most of what you're calling insults against bo, actually insults against the policy dissenter?

Are you sure Trump called himself a vulgar sexual predator? There's a dead horse around here that gets dusted off every now and then. Would we be better off with a presidette that called all urban male youths, super predators and that they need to be brought to heel? blm demanded an apology twice from her in '16, but their character showed through when chose to let her off the hook, but hey, they're still good at smashing and burning stuff.

Maybe the President elect is what he is because he's the President. Isn't the gal packing up her stuff and leaving, because she is what she is? Are all these emotional responses by voters, or did they have to use the heads to compare the facts about the two?
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:44 PM
Maser, Mauser, how different could they be?


Best,
Ted

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 03:55 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads


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Black Magic. The John Players Specials of my youth. Mosport and Watkins Glen.
Posted By: Dave K Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 05:30 PM
Lying King apparently thinks the rules are not for him !
Time for a time out King ?

"PS - For the next several weeks...I will be deleting anything I view as a negative Trump comment from this plus like threads placed on site.

If you happen to be a sore loser...don't bother to post her
e.
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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 08:44 PM
Slow? You mean like that old bull, walking down the hill toward all those cows?

Best,
Ted

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Only thing that comes out of Detroit is steers
and queers, and I don't see no horns on you, boy.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 09:27 PM
Slow--Adjective. Like that old, slow-witted, dim-witted, witless, dense, dim, dopey FAG walking into a right cross. That slow.

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Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 09:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
I called Barak Hussein Obama my President (capital letters) for eight years because he was elected to the office. I respected the office and the will of the American people, not him. If the socialists can't do the same, then they fall on the wrong side of history...Geo
'

Hussein Obama was never my president nor did I have any respect for the racist.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 10:03 PM
Truly, takes one to know one.
Hey, you going to the protest?
Expect you'd know more 'bout that than anything to do with a right cross.

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No, really-I don't see any horns.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 10:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Truly, takes one to know one.
Hey, you going to the protest?
Expect you'd know more 'bout that than anything to do with a right cross.

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No, really-I don't see any horns.


A little survival tip seems appropriate. How does one survive a riot? By joining those rioting until you can safely extract yourself from the crowd. That was assuming you were on the street and not in your home in the first place.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/12/16 10:37 PM
[quote=Dave K]Lying King apparently thinks the rules are not for him !
Time for a time out King ?

"PS - For the next several weeks...I will be deleting anything I view as a negative Trump comment from this plus like threads placed on site.

If you happen to be a sore loser...don't bother to post her
e.
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Mr. KLB needs to be a little more patient with our Grand Democratic President elect. Everything will be just fine. He is right the rules do not apply to him in order to be sore looser one would have had to vote for HRT in the first place.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 06:14 AM
Awww, let'em keep on posting. It's fun.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 01:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Truly, takes one to know one.
Hey, you going to the protest?
Expect you'd know more 'bout that than anything to do with a right cross.

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No, really-I don't see any horns.


You talking to me you bo zo ?
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 03:05 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Truly, takes one to know one.
Hey, you going to the protest?
Expect you'd know more 'bout that than anything to do with a right cross.

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No, really-I don't see any horns.


You talking to me you bo zo ?


No, he wasn't referring to you. I will say if I intended to protest I would send others to do it for me.
Posted By: Perry M. Kissam Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 03:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
True, Ted. I want more.

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So, it would seem, did about 51% of the rest of us. Funny, I can't recall the other 49% or so asking for much of anything the last 8 years. And, they weren't disappointed, either.

A pardon

























































/

That said, avoid grapes, (the harvest on November 9 is sour every four years, it seems) and, wagers on whether Hilly gets a pardon from Barry, for the next few weeks and, you will be fine.

Best,
Ted


A pardon?? For what?? He can't pardon a charge, only a conviction. Let's wait and see the charge that Gowdy will bring against her and convict her of!!!
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 03:37 PM
Apparently Ted isn't the only slow one.

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 03:37 PM
The Clinton's can be pardoned without charges being brought. It'll be interesting, as a pardon would accompany a presumption of guilt. This would effectively end her political career. They may "roll the dice" in order to try to save her political aspirations.

The Foundation needs to be investigated, so as to prevent this type of corruption in the future.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 04:33 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Apparently Ted isn't the only slow one.

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Well, we have you, right?

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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 04:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
The Clinton's can be pardoned without charges being brought. It'll be interesting, as a pardon would accompany a presumption of guilt. This would effectively end her political career. They may "roll the dice" in order to try to save her political aspirations.

The Foundation needs to be investigated, so as to prevent this type of corruption in the future.

He's done something like more pardons that the last four or five Presidents combined, I'd doubt there's much question. Hasn't the wh grabbed a bunch of the emails away from Congress and the freedom of info watchdogs. I think the pedophile bust showed barry was emailing state dept biz knowingly under a pseudonym. A real legacy builder that he'll take advantage of the race card yet again to brush it under the rug.

I would guess that a few hastily drummed up allegations will come out about the foundation, and then barry can include it under a blanket pardon. hill would probably have to take it because I doubt bo's bs could reach that far out of gov, once his pardon rubber stamp gets confiscated.

I hope Trump n-bo discussed this at their meeting, 'for the good of the nation', and considerations for the incoming administration. hill's a two time loser and will likely be 'encouraged' to close the foundation. What good would it be with no pay for players, I mean 'donors', yet open to investigation. I think Trump's wrong, there's probably a town or two who elect her dog catcher. There's always the lecture circuit, at a reduced fee, for her most favorite charity, hill.
Posted By: bonny Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 04:53 PM
I am just happy for you yankees that trump won. Clinton did state during one of the debates that she was going to take on the NRA, had she been elected you would have seen your rights eroded.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 05:28 PM
Let's hope Trump "takes on Chicago" if every a city needed federal intervention in law enforcement, that would be it.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 05:46 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
The Clinton's can be pardoned without charges being brought. It'll be interesting, as a pardon would accompany a presumption of guilt. This would effectively end her political career. They may "roll the dice" in order to try to save her political aspirations.

The Foundation needs to be investigated, so as to prevent this type of corruption in the future.


HRC is gone. During his acceptance speech President Trump thanked her for decades or hard work on behalf of people of the United States.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 06:20 PM
Jag is right. Forget Hill. Perhaps King can talk to Sunny Boy and get her something in Nova Scotia. Who's next? Warren?

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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 10:44 PM
What, five pages, and you just noticed?

Slow is as slow does.

Best,
Ted

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Any doublegun. Just a snapshot will do.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/13/16 11:09 PM
Sore looser? Maybe Loser? And what's to be sore about- our political system is as rigged in favor of the Big Money as is Wall Street-
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 12:40 PM
One elite replaced by another.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 01:04 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
One elite replaced by another.


Another interesting opinion, from an irrelevant Canadian. I'm sure that's what you hope, but it's not a Bush who was elected. We'll have to see, but if Trump's mandate accomplishes what he ran on, it'll be the reversal of elitist power for several generations.

It's more like driving a crowbar into the brain of the statist, religious "Zombie Apocalypse" that has turned so many Americans into sociopathic servants of totalitarian ideology. Boo hoo, they cry, I can no longer inflict my tyranny on my fellow Americans...
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 03:17 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
One elite replaced by another.

So they're equivalent, eh?

Did you ever read the mission statement for the 'commission on presidential debates'? In the 'news' heading, they don't once mention following up on admissions from a debate venue, that they selected, about feeding 'debate' questions to just one of the candidates.

Did you see the Trump/60 min 'interview'. Every major campaign issue was poked and prodded, with the President Elect answering. Did hill get vetted that way on the trail? Did bo ever get two or three tough ones in a row, or was it always pc to defer to racism or prowess on the basketball court, maybe a gratuitous climate change talking point?

If you were a campaign journalist, which candidate would you have preferred to follow. The one that you couldn't even talk to, where you waited for occasional scripted crumbs. Or, the one that made history? Who's the elite, the infirm tyrant or the next President? Ha, both.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 04:00 PM
Any word from Sunny Boy, King?

Maybe you could employ Hill as a wood chipper supervisor. I doubt she's qualified to run the thing herself.

I've been reading some funny stuff about how the EU can cooperate on defense.

Your friends settled in yet?

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 04:06 PM
I'm waiting for King to cite Paul Krugman's predictions for the economy. I suspect it's a wait in vain...
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 04:17 PM
I shot a email off to Brussels. It was short and sweet.

Zumwalts--2.5 billion

F-35--100 million

Having a piggy bank like the US--priceless

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 04:17 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
One elite replaced by another.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, you are correct. One elite for another.

It's still a good outcome because the entrenched corruption of one elite will get dismantled while it will take a few years for those new to the trough to really bury their snouts.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 06:44 PM
Let's say, for the sake of argument, you're correct, James. I'll take your predictions any day for the way you called it!
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 07:15 PM
Much flailing in Brussels trying to hit the reset button. Holding endless meetings on which one to hit. The one that says Putin or Trump. Did you know you can make vodka from grapes? Hope Sunny Boy has a couple more trade deals in his hip pocket. "Golly, I didn't realize how expensive defending our progressive Canadian values were!"

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How do your friends like Halifax?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 07:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
I'm waiting for King to cite Paul Krugman's predictions for the economy. I suspect it's a wait in vain...


We get a lot of waits in vain when we expect King Brown to honestly answer simple questions, and expect him to be Fair and Balanced.

King has always ran from the tough questions that would force him to admit the dishonesty and insanity of his thinking. He's far worse than Hillary ever was when it comes to only fielding softballs.

And look, King is still using Hillary's DNC playbook to continue to run a race he already lost, but cannot accept. He knows he can't run on the record of Liberalism and Socialism, so he has to turn to a non-stop attack and denigration of Trump based upon lies and utterly false statements that he cannot back up.

No King, we haven't forgotten those rotten lies you told about Trump's PROMISE to pick Judges who would pervert the Constitution by interpreting it according to his whims, and use it to punish his enemies. A hot promise like that should be easy for King to provide proof of, but King is still doing the duck and run.

Poor little King... 85 years old and still as spoiled and immature as those millenials who actually can't believe that we would soundly reject the "Hope and Change" and "Fundamental Transformation of America" that has been his goal.

Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 07:27 PM
If in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.

Preferably after you've lit your hair on fire.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 07:42 PM
"Halifax is nice, King, but it ain't no Scranton."

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 07:54 PM
Perhaps all this will lead to a new "Canadian Spring", a veritable Renaissance of the whole concept of a statist utopia. I can see it now, all the distraught little statist sociopaths emigrating up to be welcomed into the micro-aggression free bosum of dear old Canada. Think of the potential, all the music festivals, all the drum circles, all within the context of Canadian enlightenment on how they dumped on their indigenous peoples, but they're oh-so morally superior because they didn't have enough Mounties to actually kill them. grin

Quick, someone embed the song "Beds are Burning", I'd do it if I knew how...
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 10:06 PM
Scranton- old Joe "just get a double barreled shotgun and all will be well" Biden's hometown. Glad to see him go with Barracks Bag Boy O'Bammy-
Posted By: Colonial Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 10:40 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Let's say, for the sake of argument, you're correct, James. I'll take your predictions any day for the way you called it!

Kingsley
As a fellow Canadian, I feel your pain and do not understand why you tolerate these foreigners (Americans) who give you only derision and abuse, not acknowledging your wisdom. They have abandoned the utopia of Canadian style unlimited taxation and micro-regulation for the hardscrabble life of self determination and freedom. Soon they will learn.
However, I note the Leonard Cohen has passed away, a close associate of yours, I am sure. I note that he is being (for all his shortcomings) lionized, as is typical for deceased people. SO, here is Your opportunity to achieve sainthood, by emulating your friend Leonard. Then those louts will remember you fondly.
A Fellow CAnadian.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 10:50 PM
Originally Posted By: oldstarfire
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Let's say, for the sake of argument, you're correct, James. I'll take your predictions any day for the way you called it!

Kingsley
As a fellow Canadian, I feel your pain and do not understand why you tolerate these foreigners (Americans) who give you only derision and abuse, not acknowledging your wisdom. They have abandoned the utopia of Canadian style unlimited taxation and micro-regulation for the hardscrabble life of self determination and freedom. Soon they will learn.
However, I note the Leonard Cohen has passed away, a close associate of yours, I am sure. I note that he is being (for all his shortcomings) lionized, as is typical for deceased people. SO, here is Your opportunity to achieve sainthood, by emulating your friend Leonard. Then those louts will remember you fondly.
A Fellow CAnadian.


grin

SRH
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 10:51 PM
BOOM! Drop the mic!


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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 11:07 PM
Yikes?

Instead of the ole write off, I think King should just step outside and see if the roof is burning. Chances are it'll be just fine, and he can feel a renewed confidence that all is well with the world, as he counseled so many times to others. Before the sky is falling election.

But hey, the new guy doesn't seem to be going squishy lib as his new staff starts to take shape. Maybe he'll get different advice than a vanjones, cassunstein or holder might tell a prez during a cig break on the back nine. Shouldn't we be planning 'the holidays' in Hawaii around this time?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/14/16 11:08 PM
Man, and to think I thought Canadians were lacking a sense of humor.


BTW, I've actually met many Canadians, my father ran a Trade Association of farm equipment wholesalers, (FEWA) which had close association with the manufacturers association. (FEMA). Many of the members of both are Canadian. So, I know you all don't think like King.

I personally consider my opinions on your politics to be irrelevant, it would be megalomaniacal to think otherwise.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 12:45 AM
Ken, Canadians run the humour business down south. It's one of the few things we are good at.

Also, why would you even bother to have opinions on our politics....they are so inconsequential to anyone living outside our country.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 12:52 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Let's say, for the sake of argument, you're correct, James. I'll take your predictions any day for the way you called it!


Very kind of you King. I was lucky, in that I tried to pay attention to all sources.

And while I found oldstarfire's post exceedingly funny, at yours and Leonard's expense, I do wish for you many more years of irritating the hell out of us here on Doublegun! laugh
Posted By: David Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 05:58 AM
As for Canadian humor: Years ago I was shooting a story for Cessna about Caravan operators. There was a small airline run by a Native Tribe that made great use of Caravans. We were visiting a village up north . . . way up north. They didn't have a hanger at this location and had to park the plane that was based there outside. During the winter they would cover the airplane's cowling with a tarp and build a fire underneath to keep the engine warm. This is a two million dollar airplane. The mechanic there told us, "you people from down south don't know what it's like to operate an airplane up here." Our Canadian host took us aside and said, "when he says 'down south' he doesn't mean Wichita, he means Thunder Bay. We had a good laugh.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 01:46 PM

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Playing victim is very good way to get ahead. There is a country in the Middle East whose government officials have been using it very successfully to counter criticism for several decades. I could give you some examples, but I do not want to confuse you with facts.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:21 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
....Playing victim is very good way to get ahead....

Succuss at playing the victim card is a good way to show that everyone has been held back. I could give you some examples, but they wouldn't mean anything to you.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:22 PM
In Soviet Union winter during the Cold War, I asked my driver, who was a truck driver during the war, how he kept his truck going in the god-awful weather. He said they kept them running all night or started them with fires under the engine, depending on operational conditions. Was he afraid of it catching on fire? He said if it caught on fire he would be shot. If he couldn't get it going he would be shot.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:25 PM
Try to stay on topic guys. Which I think is roasting King.


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Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:31 PM
Haven't been to Scranton, lonesome. Halifax is a pleasant city currently with third-greatest economic growth in Canada after Toronto and Vancouver.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:51 PM
I appreciate the temperate tone of the teasing, lonesome. Maybe too kind because of my age. It all reminds me of what they said of General Bernard S. Montgomery: "Insufferable in victory, magnanimous in defeat."
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 02:53 PM
I thought these guys were the elite side ?



Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 02:59 PM
King

Thanks for providing some balance and reality-check to the discussion.
Sorry about the manners of the mob here. Some are sharks that respond primordially as only they can to blood in the water....

GG
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 03:01 PM
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 03:21 PM
You'd like Scranton, King. I do. Great Polish, Italian, and Irish history. St Ann Basilica is there. The mother of Mary and patron saint of the Mic Mac (sp).

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Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 03:56 PM
I like Halifax...I did a consulting engagement there years back..Enjoyed it and it's people...Kids were in school for about 2 years, didn't seem to hurt em any...
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 04:50 PM
I like Thunder Bay, especially Trowbridge and Kekabeka Falls. The harbor and grain elevator tours were pretty neat.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 04:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
King

Thanks for providing some balance and reality-check to the discussion.
Sorry about the manners of the mob here. Some are sharks that respond primordially as only they can to blood in the water....

GG

Primordial?

Maybe you missed the comments back around the mid teens page numbers. Vile, poisonous, racist, ring any bells? There's more, are you interested? Manners? King tells it like it is, not always veiled, from his point of view. For me, as always, it's about a crystal clear ideology, not personal.

Did you catch any of obama, in a foreign country, telling those failed folks that all who voted against him and hill were better off due his policies? To help balance things out, what was hill going to do for you, the country, double guns and upland hunting?
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 05:37 PM
Originally Posted By: craigd
[quote=Grouse Guy]King



To help balance things out, what was hill going to do for you, the country, double guns and upland hunting?


For one, not disposing of public lands to the private sector. Many of us unwashed working men do most if not all our hunting on public lands. An explicit plank of the R-party is to dispose of federal lands. That will be nothing but a stake through the heart of hunting, which most of us here do with double guns.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 05:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
....For one, not disposing of public lands to the private sector. Many of us unwashed working men do most if not all our hunting on public lands. An explicit plank of the R-party is to dispose of federal lands. That will be nothing but a stake through the heart of hunting, which most of us here do with double guns.

Sorry GG. The 'platform' was never to dispose of fed land to the 'private sector'. It was to turn it over to state control. Take a look, back in July, the President elect said he opposed that position and will leave fed land under fed control. What makes you think he won't hold to that?
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 06:14 PM
In his first interview since a minority voted for him, Trump is already walking back basic campaign promises (Obamacare repeal, the Wall, etc.).
Here in Montana the state is prohibited by the R-controlled legislature from acquiring additional lands, under the pretext that it is a state budget buster (during things like a big fire year) and that the private sector manages land better. So if a federal R plank is to dispose of federal lands, yet a state R position is that additional public lands are unaffordable and that states are ill-equipped to assume management, the private sector is the only remaining recipient. Given his tendencies, Trump would be convinced to abandon yet another campaign promise in a New York minute.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/15/16 06:50 PM
If your think GG and King are pissy now just wait till the first 100 days and "Trumpenstroke" !

“Trumpenstroke“. – The act of eliminating dictatorial fiat with the counter stroke of a President Trump pen.


Posted By: Robt. Harris Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 07:02 PM
Ben Deeble,

You are to the "unwashed working man" what McDonald's is to 5-star cuisine, and I should know, having some fifteen years of knowledge of your activities as an upland bird biologist for the NWF here in western Montana.

A number of members here also still remember you for being the instigator/point-man suggesting we look into the possible elimination of lead shot for upland bird hunting throughout Montana (I save ALL my e-mails, should you like to revisit that, or members can simply dredge up our individual post archives if they're that bored.) Or maybe we could chat about a Montana deer season that you somehow got confused on not so many years back and started a day early sans permission on posted land. Ouch!

How bout we just leave it lie, Ben, while recognizing that many here are taking a wait-and-see approach to this election and what it will mean for the country. A lot of campaign rhetoric doesn't necessarily equate to action at this point, IMO. But what we do know is what it would have meant to our 2nd Amendment rights on a number of fronts, had it gone the other way. Lastly, I'm not the least surprised that this was never an issue for you in your support of Hillary......which is 'why' we don't need you to "apologize" for us, as you just have.

Rob
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 07:26 PM
Grouse Guy, just curious. Have you ever been associated with Greenpeace in some capacity other than doner?
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 08:15 PM
Craigd must be stumped. Both canvasback and Harris are WRONG.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 08:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
Craigd must be stumped. Both canvasback and Harris are WRONG.


What am I wrong about? I simply asked you a question.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 08:38 PM
I remember Ben Deeble..Don't trust anything he says...
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 08:42 PM
In his first interview since a minority voted for him, Trump is already walking back basic campaign promises (Obamacare repeal, the Wall, etc.).
Here in Montana the state is prohibited by the R-controlled legislature from acquiring additional lands, under the pretext that it is a state budget buster (during things like a big fire year) and that the private sector manages land better. So if a federal R plank is to dispose of federal lands, yet a state R position is that additional public lands are unaffordable and that states are ill-equipped to assume management, the private sector is the only remaining recipient. Given his tendencies, Trump would be convinced to abandon yet another campaign promise in a New York minute.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 09:01 PM
Ah, the anti-lead guru Grouse Guy Ben Deeble is back with a vengeance, spouting bullshit and acting as if he knows what Trump will do. Why not go all the way with the DNC lies and propaganda Ben, and tell us that Trump will end Social Security and push Grandma over the cliff in her wheelchair?

Why should I care about your access to Federal Lands for hunting? You don't do anything to subsidize my hunting. You don't give a fat rat's ass about our right to use ballistically superior lead shot that won't price many shooters out of the game entirely, and make our vintage doubles all but obsolete. I've also heard about your rotten unethical little poaching incident. Outlaw hunters who think they are above the law and who support anti-2nd Amendment candidates like Hillary Clinton cut no ice with most of us... except for certain Liberal Socialist anti-lead ammunition Canadian loons like King Brown.

Trump will do a hell of a lot more for hunters and shooters that Hillary Clinton ever would... starting with nominating Supreme Court Justices who don't think that Australian style gun confiscation and bans are just and proper.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Lead is dead.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 09:09 PM
Okay, so you aren't going to answer my question about any past associations with the Greenpeace organization.

Hmm, wonder why not?

Are you going to answer my question about what I was wrong about? You seemed quite emphatic that I was wrong but I've said many things here over the years. Which particular moment of wrongitude are you referring to?

Asking for a direct answer from a Clinton supporting liberal is as close to pointless as it gets so I'll move on.

Speaking of wrongitude, given how wrong you and every other Clinton supporter/Trump detractor was about EVERYTHING to do with this election, why would anyone imagine you can now suddenly foretell the future and make accurate, accusatory predictions about what President Trump will or won't do.

How many times do you and every other liberal have to be wrong before you shut up with the predictions?

Maybe just save your breath, reel in the hubris and ego and watch things unfold for a moment.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 09:49 PM
Why is anyone apologizing? For what?. Americans were disgusted with their politicians, corrupted by party and principle, who couldn't present likeable candidates. A hundred million didn't vote because they felt disenfranchised to the point of staying home or holding their noses. Never in their history had rationality been so eroded, truth so disrespected in a face-off between the Establishment's deep blue sea and a radical beholden to no one, not even the GOP. They voted barely for the professed Washington wrecker because it was the national sentiment in the first place.

Who should apologize to whom? Republicans and Democrats knew their system was broken. They wanted Congress to work, their representatives to act in their interests instead of their own. They knew the braggart's claims of solving the country's problems with a snap of the fingers were impossible. The Rust Belt jobs can't come back, 11 million can't be deported, women's reproductive rights won't be taken away for ages. Climate change isn't a Chinese hoax. Americans generally weren't motivated by racism but that's how it came out with a deeply flawed and dangerous man at the helm.

I wish I could share the optimism expressed here. An optimist by nature, on good days I see this peculiar upheaval leading to an America where responsible management becomes more important than the manipulation of the electorate's affairs. An electorate that tipped the applecart isn't likely to accept an unpredictable president overplaying his hand. Americans are a great people, inspirational to the world, but their leaders not so in the richest country where money accounts for everything.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 10:14 PM
You're not an optimist by nature King... you are a dishonest anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Left Socialist Troll by nature. I'll assume that the dangerous and deeply flawed man at the helm who King is referring to is King's anti-2nd Amendment hero, Barack Hussein Obama.

Krying lying King is simply being bitter as well as delusional. Other than the presidential race, the country has been gradually turning more and more Conservative as Republicans hold majorities in House, Senate, Gubernatorial, and State House positions. Liberal Anti-gun Socialists have been getting rejected since the 2010 mid term elections, and without reverse racism and a Liberally biased media, Obama would have been a one term wonder too... if he had even won the first time around. He sure didn't win because of his qualifications and accomplishments. Just ask your imaginary friend, John F, Kennedy, King.

Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 10:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
In his first interview since a minority voted for him, Trump is already walking back basic campaign promises (Obamacare repeal, the Wall, etc.).
Here in Montana the state is prohibited by the R-controlled legislature from acquiring additional lands, under the pretext that it is a state budget buster (during things like a big fire year) and that the private sector manages land better. So if a federal R plank is to dispose of federal lands, yet a state R position is that additional public lands are unaffordable and that states are ill-equipped to assume management, the private sector is the only remaining recipient. Given his tendencies, Trump would be convinced to abandon yet another campaign promise in a New York minute.

You're right, I am stumped. All I asked was, what would hill have done for you, the country, double guns and upland hunting.

It looks like supposition is fact. Can you connect hills antigun campaign promises with better hunting? Any how, few of us are one issue kind of folks, why repeat the same thing over?
Posted By: Dave K Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 10:28 PM
Once again-lying King, thinks "he" speaks for Americans-after being prover wrong time and time again !
You have NO clue,Again King

Why did Trump Win !

America,is center right and after 8 years of the minority jamming obamacare,climate change hoax,Benghazi,baby killers planned parenthood,sup GDP growth,over regulation and refusal to say radical islam-they had ENOUGH !

What really gave Trump his victory is one person: Barack Obama. This election was nothing less than a complete and total repudiation of his presidency, his policies, his "fundamental transformation of America" that he promised and delivered.

What has Obama's electoral legacy given us? The Republicans now control the Senate, 51 to 48. The House 238 to 193. Democrats control the lowest number of state legislatures in history. The GOP controls 31 governor's offices and 31 secretary of state offices. Republicans have majorities in 69 of 99 legislative chambers.

In summary, "[u]nder President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats," according to GOP operative Rory Cooper.

This is the total annihilation of the Democratic Party.
As a CNN commentator observed, "[w]ho thought Obama's legacy would be the destruction of the Democratic Party?" The Democrats paved the way for Donald Trump and Republican control of the White House and Congress.



Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 10:28 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Who should apologize to whom? Republicans and Democrats knew their system was broken. They wanted Congress to work, their representatives to act in their interests instead of their own. They knew the braggart's claims of solving the country's problems with a snap of the fingers were impossible. The Rust Belt jobs can't come back, 11 million can't be deported, women's reproductive rights won't be taken away for ages. Climate change isn't a Chinese hoax. Americans generally weren't motivated by racism but that's how it came out with a deeply flawed and dangerous man at the helm....

Sheesh King, what's with the chicken little stuff?

Did you see the braggart take the stump in greece, that special little slice of utopia in the med? I think there's an echo in the room, but he said all that voted against hill and his legacy were better off today than eight years ago. Weird huh, in a narcissistic sort of way. Really a friendly fellow, sharing advise and all.

You used to gloat about his popularity, was that polling numbers?
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 11:46 PM
Craigd:

You asked me a question. I answered it (twice, when distractors tried to turn my answer into a falsely premised discussion of me instead of a discussion of my answer).

Now you are changing the question, because you are stumped by my first one, which actually answered quite directly why I think Hillary is better than Trump for hunting with double guns in my state.

I have no idea what Keith said (he's been blocked from my screen for years).

I fear a bunch of you'all will feel bamboozled once again when four years from now (if he lasts that long) Trump has the treasure and Americans have the shaft.

Goin' huntin'
GG
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/15/16 11:49 PM
Ahhh, where should I begin? Right after the election and things were a little raw, I responded pretty strongly to King, referring to him by the little "pet" name I've given him, "Comrade Sralin". This is a little play on words in the Russian language from the Stalinist era, "Sralin" meaning "Shitehead", or " Man of Shite", which the Soviet people used for Stalin. Sometimes with the predictable results.

Now, it's quickly becoming obvious that things will be happening fast, causing all the predictable distorters and dupes to come forth. Add this to the appearance that the Democrat party seems to be drawing the opposite conclusions from the election as to why the results occurred. As a result my optimism and good feelings are growing daily, as I anticipate possibly decades of economic prosperity and happiness, another thing that is anathama to the Democrat party's future.

Consequentially, I find it hard to take people like King seriously, and the really fun thing is that I really don't have to. I always responded to King's posts before, as I considered it necessary for other folks to understand his political views, which I"m sure you all did anyway.

King's, and Obama's, and the Democrat party's views and beliefs have been decicisivly rejected by the American voter. The dupes, minions, and useful idiots can wail, demonize, and make whatever excuses they want. The reality is, and many or most of us remember that once upon a time ago that the same thing happened, and now it's "Morning in America again".
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:03 AM
Everyone just relax! Halifax has the third fastest growing economy in Canada. Should cover a turn signal on a F-35. Wonder where that slacker Windsor falls?

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:08 AM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
Craigd:

You asked me a question. I answered it (twice, when distractors tried to turn my answer into a falsely premised discussion of me instead of a discussion of my answer).

Now you are changing the question, because you are stumped by my first one, which actually answered quite directly why I think Hillary is better than Trump for hunting with double guns in my state.

I have no idea what Keith said (he's been blocked from my screen for years).

I fear a bunch of you'all will feel bamboozled once again when four years from now (if he lasts that long) Trump has the treasure and Americans have the shaft.

Goin' huntin'
GG


Still wondering what I said that was wrong. You make some pretty strong statements and predictions and I ask a simple question to help me understand who is talking.

Is that a problem? Should I have not asked?
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:09 AM
I am sure I will be vilified, crucified, accused of horrible things, labeled in many unsavory ways...but whats new? Heres a different way to look at Immigration. Its EASY to talk about the undocumented (illegal) alien in an Abstract manner. Illegal? Get em out! Eazy peezy, right? Here in NW Kansas and across the great plains, we have a LOT of Mexicans. They are Cowboys, ranch hands, storekeepers, students, teachers, mechanics, high school football players and Importantly, our friends. Many of them have been here for years, playing a quiet role in our communities. I know of none of them who are on welfare. I know of none of them who get "FREE" medical services. The ones who are "undocumented" get medical care and PAY FOR IT..new concept...The young people tend to be the star athletes and students. Most of them go on to college. We talked about this today at the truck stop. If a bunch of farmers and ranchers cant solve a problem, cant be done. There was no whining about who is gonna milk the cows or fix my car, or teach my kids...The "Git er dun" spirit will make all that happen. Concern was for loss of contributing citizens and good friends if the deportation rumors come to pass. Our Mexican friends are frightened...But I think they will do as they are required to do by law. I see a real schism developing when the rest of us say "Hell no" ....I have no suggestion or solutions...These people didn't come up here to take advantage of anyone or anything...Friends...contributors
Fire away lads...
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:19 AM
LD,

That's not the point. There are two issues with illegal immigration and any legalization process.

The first is creation of a permanent, dependent, Welfare receiving class of paid voters who will always vote Democrat.

The second is that low skill workers drive down wages. I'm all for Work Permits for certain jobs. We have to get our own people off Welfare and back to work, all immigration should be stopped until that happens.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:21 AM
Good post LD. Round up the criminals and amnesty and a fine for those you just mentioned?

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How 'bout it Sunny Boy? Put up or shut up. (that goes for the rest of the freeloaders too)
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:23 AM
All illegals have to go...

If you no like you welcome go back Mehe'co with them sin'your num'dollar.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:32 AM
Never going to happen, jOe.

100% in favor of securing the border.
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Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:37 AM
Well, it starts...I can ignore jOe cuz he is just plain stupid...But some of these other comments are even dumber...How are you going to get people back to work that don't work and don't want to work? You miss MY point...these folks don't work cheaper, they work harder and get the going wage...This problem didn't start YESTERDAY, YES YES close the border...Should have been done along time ago...
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:41 AM
I don't care how nice they are to you, how productive they are to society, how good they are on the high school football team, or how good a student they are ............. if they are here illegally they should be deported. Then, and only then, will these immigrants make an effort to become citizens. It takes some effort to become an American citizen. Why should they put forth the effort if they can reap all the rewards they want to gain without doing so?

Put them out, and let them come back and do it RIGHT!

SRH
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:48 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
Well, it starts...I can ignore jOe cuz he is just plain stupid...But some of these other comments are even dumber...How are you going to get people back to work that don't work and don't want to work? You miss MY point...these folks don't work cheaper, they work harder and get the going wage...This problem didn't start YESTERDAY, YES YES close the border...Should have been done along time ago...


If you're talking about illegals, they either don't pay income taxes, or they file fraudulently. Hardly the "going wage". Those that file, and this goes for legal residents as well, make sure they claim enough kids to get the EITC, another form of Welfare. I have relatives who were tax preparers, this is common, claiming even pets as well.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:51 AM
Right, Stan....I did that, I wasnt born in this country...so you don't need to explain that to me...I got your point Stan, you don't care..
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:06 AM
OH yeah Stan? You are full of shit...If all of that is true where YOU live, What have you done about it????
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:07 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
....You miss MY point...these folks don't work cheaper, they work harder and get the going wage...

I think you're ignoring a point. There are many employment costs beyond the wage, it's way cheaper to pay the going wage with no other expenses attached.

My problem with an easy street to citizenship is, drum roll, they'll start working like the rest of the citizens, half a$$. Ask them, why do they want any taxes with held, it's 'their' money.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:26 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
OH yeah Stan? You are full of shit...If all of that is true where YOU live, What have you done about it????


I VOTED FOR TRUMP!!! That's what I did about it.

SRH
Posted By: ed good Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:30 AM
The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty reads: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:31 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
OH yeah Stan? You are full of shit...If all of that is true where YOU live, What have you done about it????


If all of WHAT is true? What did I say was going on with illegals where I live?

SRH
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:33 AM
WHOA! How do you know there are no other expenses involved? I know of NO employer here that pays "off the books" I offered nor suggested a solution to this mess, that you all have allowed us to get into. I pointed out there is a human side to this...AND a huge potential problem in the wings. Another small consideration, where are the jobs going to come from to put all of these eager to work welfare folks to work? They GONE baby...I wonder who let that happen? Maybe us? (OVER)
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:42 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
Another small consideration, where are the jobs going to come from to put all of these eager to work welfare folks to work?


The same place they went when they LEFT here ............ off shore (other countries). And who said the welfare recipients are eager to work? Certainly not me.

SRH
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:47 AM
What few, if any, come back, robots will do.

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Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
WHOA!....I know of NO employer here that pays "off the books" I offered nor suggested a solution to this mess....

Then, what's the problem? We're 'talking' about citizens or work permitted folks, right? If I can get a ticket for exceeding some speed limit, why am I not entitled to tell that officer to selectively not enforce that law. If these are 'documented', wink undocumenteds, then there's your mess and problem. The 'legal' rule benders.
Posted By: GaryW Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 03:24 AM
When it was over and the Fox News Election Team signed off the air, Megyn Kelley spent 30 minutes in the Fox Ladies(Men's?) room puking her guts out.......
Reportedly, the Hildebeast went into a drunken fury and physically attacked her campaign manager John Podesta; having to be restrained and sedatives administered by a doctor and enough amphetamines the next morning to make an elephant fly so she could give her concession speech......Well, it shouldn't surprise anyone she left her supporters hanging overnight without making an appearance; now they know how the people in Benghazi felt.
I find it ironic(and typical of the democrats) that the very people who demanded Trump accept the elections results beforehand are now completely unwilling to accept the results. Read that to mean George Soros, who is funding the protests in several states with paid, out of town protesters bused in. Six busloads of them arrived in Austin, Texas pretending to be UT students and tried to shut things down until we arrested their sorry a$$es and threw them in jail.
Now, if Trump would just pull the U.S. out of the UN and tell them to hit the road.................
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 03:36 AM
Sh:t, I'd settle for an op-ed from King in Maclean's on why Canada doesn't pull its weight in NATO. Busy reliving glory days in Italy I guess.

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Sunny Boy send that check yet for the global warming research?
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 03:54 AM
Randy Newberg, Hunter

Well, that didn't take long. A week after the election and today Congress schedules a hearing on a bill that would screw you out of a good chunk of public lands. H.R. 1484 is a bill in the House Natural Resources Committee that would transfer a large portion of Federal lands, lands open to hunting and recreation, to the State of Nevada, the state with the worst track record of all states when it comes to selling their lands to political pals.

If you want to be a public land advocate, here is your chance. Contact that Committee at the link below and tell them this is unacceptable.

Committee link here - http://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx…

Get ready folks, this is just the first of many artillery rounds fired to soften the beachheads in a full on assault by Congress to screw you out of your public lands.

Stand and fight or stand to lose.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 04:33 AM
Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
....A week after the election and today Congress schedules a hearing on a bill that would screw you out of a good chunk of public lands. H.R. 1484 is a bill in the House Natural Resources Committee....

GG, you're the expert here. There are exceptions to the bill that may not even get out of committee. I understand it's a Nevada bill. What are the land classifications, in Montana, where public hunting is allowed on fed land? Are you referring to Wildlife areas, maybe Wilderness ares?

Are you saying that this is the policy of the new administration, or could it be a bill sponsored by a representative from a particular state? If it's successful, whose desk does it land on?
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Stan
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
OH yeah Stan? You are full of shit...If all of that is true where YOU live, What have you done about it????


If all of WHAT is true? What did I say was going on with illegals where I live?

SRH


Still waiting for an explanation of what you meant, .................and why you called me that.

SRH
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:42 PM
Oh Stan, I apologize, I meant to name that Ken61 dude as being full of shit...You may be too, but I'll withhold judgement for now..HR1484 that Deeble is talking about is the Nevada Enabling Act of 1864...Its been raised before and got no place. Mark Amodel, Republican, dusted it off this time and it went into committee on March 19 2015. May have just come out for discussion. I suspect it was brought out now more because of the Bundy Mess and acquittal than anything else. Amodel likely thought he could get some traction there. Rated at 1% chance of getting anywhere.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 12:45 PM
Canada pulls more than its weight in NATO, relative to military needs, and is moving more to UN for political considerations. Commanded the Libya air effort, fighting with Kurds in Syria, forces in Poland. Same way generous US allocates its money and military and has nothing to do with International Criminal Court for political reasons. The US has nothing to teach Canada in meeting its responsibilities.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:30 PM
Sending a few troops here and there is not pulling your weight, King. Sure it makes you feel better about shirking your responsibilities to defending your progressive Canadian values though. Just another freeloader riding Uncle Sam's back. Good luck with the UN. Better send that check.

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Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:40 PM
King, it is only by willful ignoring of the facts that it could be said Canada pulls it's weight in Nato, and elsewhere, militarily. We don't and we haven't since Trudeau the First gutted our military. We as a society, through the actions of our elected officials, have tacitly approved of the idea of letting the US carry the burden of our protection as a nation.

We are utterly incapable of even patrolling out own borders. The fact that we occasionally send troops into harms way in highly publicized and politicized ways doesn't change the fact of our national abdication of our own defense.

You seem to confuse the skill and valor of the few soldiers we deploy with living up to our responsibilities as a nation. They are different and unrelated things.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:44 PM
This requires separate comment, King.

Sending more money to the UN is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing.

The UN is now a club for despots, dictators and human rights abusers, who with generosity and disdain, allow the democratic nations of the world to observe close up their duplicity and corruption (and to pay for it as well).

Please King, look at the world as it is, not as you might wish it to be.

I'd like to win the lottery. Wishing for that doesn't, however, make me rich.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 01:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
OH yeah Stan? You are full of shit...If all of that is true where YOU live, What have you done about it????


It was hard to tell who you were calling "FOS", it appears to include me as well, but it looks like you apply that term to anyone who disagrees with you. OK, if you think that tell me why, but include your reasons as well.

The actual people you should be angry with are the Open Borders Globalists of the Democrat Party who have been ignoring the laws of America for decades. Illegals here know very well that they're in violation of our laws, but have been brainwashed to believe that they are entitled to be here, and in too many cases that they should be rewarded with the freedom of American Taxpayers. A belief of virtually all of the Victim Cults created by the Democrats for clearly political purposes. Now, when existing laws may actually be enforced, it's a major crisis. The fact that you appear to advocate this continuing extortion and vote-buying is your choice, but don't expect others to be your "Willing Victim".

I don't think anyone here said they thought Welfare recipients were willing to work. Willingness is not an issue, only the requirement to do so. That subculture must be reformed, as now the typical total benefit is around $59,000 per year. Why work? Why not just come here illegally, have a kid and ride the Gravy Train? Then, your men can live with you at the expense of taxpayers, yet appear as " hard working" within the Community.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 02:07 PM
Suspicions confirmed...You are FOS.I don't hand that out lightly, it has to be earned you have. I am not angry at anyone, don't have time for it...Get someone to read what I wrote, to you S L O W L Y.....Go back and read what you wrote about undocumented taxpayers...There is NO WAY that you can post a statement like you did and substantiate it. You are just parroting some thing "they" told you. Your last post is, to me, gibberish. What in the world are you talking about in the last paragraph? Vote buying? Willing victims? If you have been living in this country for the past 20-30 years, you have contributed to this immigration problem...Why did you just sit back and let it happen? Is this the first time you voted?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 02:18 PM
Wow, PRESIDENT ELECT Donald Trump has generated even more discussion than a debate on the best hinge pin grease... or oil...

I voted for Trump knowing full well that he won't be able to deliver on all of his promises. And I was deathly afraid that Hillary would deliver on many of her promises, including infringements upon my gun rights.

This is hilarious...

Originally Posted By: Grouse Guy
Well, that didn't take long. A week after the election and today Congress schedules a hearing on a bill that would screw you out of a good chunk of public lands. H.R. 1484 is a bill in the House Natural Resources Committee that would transfer a large portion of Federal lands, lands open to hunting and recreation, to the State of Nevada, the state with the worst track record of all states when it comes to selling their lands to political pals.


... considering that a great deal of the political payola in Nevada has lined the pockets of Lying Liberal Democrats like retiring Senator Harry Reid. Is anyone shocked that political corruption has increased in Nevada as it has swung from being a Red state to a Blue state? Ben (the lying anti-lead ammunition Poacher) Deeble has helped to make our point about the dishonesty of Left.

What's the world coming to when I agree with Last Dollar twice in three days...

Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
I remember Ben Deeble..Don't trust anything he says...


Yes, +1... do not trust anything Ben Deeble says.

I still disagree with much of what Last Dollar says on the illegal immigration thing. I disagree simply because they are here ILLEGALLY. We have an Immigration System for a reason. A Sovereign nation must maintain the integrity of its' borders, language, and culture, or it will get torn apart by competing interests. Our Immigration System is broken because both Democrats and Republicans subverted what was already in place and what worked wonderfully for many decades. Even if these are hard working and friendly people, you simply cannot dilute the labor pool with over 20 million undocumented illegal immigrants who do not pay taxes to support the system. You also cannot have millions of Welfare recipients who also do not pay taxes to support the system either. Both scenarios are a recipe for failure, and increasing taxes on Corporations and the rich to support it will simply drive them away or make them find more creative ways to avoid being fleeced.

lonesome roads is somewhat right when he says this about jobs which have gone overseas:

Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
What few, if any, come back, robots will do.


I saw this one coming shortly after I got out of college. I got steamrolled by it twice, but fought it by reinventing myself instead of crying and going on Welfare. I've made a nice living by fixing robots and highly automated processes. The future in that field gets brighter every time wacko Liberals demand massive pay increases for unskilled burger flipping jobs. Robots still can't troubleshoot and repair each other.

King Brown... We all should know by now that he can't be trusted either. But credit where credit's due... King may be right when he says that Canadians are a more polite people. Oldstarfire told King in the most polite manner I have ever seen, to eat shit and die... and I mean literally die. Awesome!





Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 02:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
Well, it starts...I can ignore jOe cuz he is just plain stupid...


I'm stupid.... grin

Who sold everything they had and moved to MexicO ?

Only to return crazy
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 02:27 PM
Most illegals aren't going anywhere because they're needed as undocumented "small business" labor force. As one of our members observed if it wasn't for them not a single blade of grass would be cut around where he lives. With respect to legal low wage employees there are two solutions. Either we raise the minimum wage to living wage or give taxpayer funded subsidies to companies to pay them more. We can have "Walmarts" pay more or provide funding to "Walmarts" to pay them more.

The stupid wall should have been built around the time they had amnesty for 3,000,000 plus illegal aliens. The fault for lack of wall lies with Ronald Reagan and or George Bush Sr.

Obviously we should not be accepting any aliens until we can straighten out the mess we are in.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 02:36 PM
Of course all the things I've mentioned happen. They've been encouraged to happen, it's merely a part of Democrat immigration doctrine. Deny, Dismiss, and Demonize all you want, I'm sure it's comforting. But, due to the results of this election they're going to be addressed in some way. I'll refrain from personal insults as they're absurd. The Democrat Party has set up this situation, and it is going to be tragic in many cases. I suspect that rather than deportations, the emphasis will be on cracking down on businesses in order to encourage self deportation. The same thing that happened after WWII, as well as stopping any taxpayer money going to illegals. I have no problem with some legalization process for productive illegals, just not those who come here to live off the System.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 03:01 PM
The issue of illegal immigration has been an issue for decades. To characterize Americans who have always been against it but who were disenfranchised by their political leaders as somehow being responsible is nutty. The only thing that has happened is that it was actually an election issue this time, by a candidate that may actually do something about it.

This all applies to illegals who share my ethnic background as well. It is a legal issue.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 03:42 PM
Keith...We actually agree on the illegal thing as it relates to immigrants. They ARE illegal.. FACT.. The bind in the cheese is, what to do about them. I am not smart enough to say. I question if anyone has really thought this through. I think: We must CLOSE the border. Everyone, including your kids and mine, MUST show proof that they are legally authorized to work in this country. Everyone, including your kids and mine, must take and pass a drug test as part of any employment process. AND, we end up with a big "so what". Jose Jones is an illegal drug user..OK Now what...??? Jose is standing right there. What do we do with him....goes on and on...The purpose of my OP was to point out that most of these folks are valuable to us as a community, and that the impact of just kicking them out is huge...Those are also FACTS...and jOe is still stupid...some things never change..
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 05:09 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
....The purpose of my OP was to point out that most of these folks are valuable to us as a community, and that the impact of just kicking them out is huge....

Unless I'm mistaken, the only 'value' that you pointed out was that of being hard workers. If that value is worth keeping around, then smart folks should encourage it, not disincentivize it. If the loss would be huge, maybe the community could compensate by demanding free college for the next generation.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 06:40 PM
I guess I am slow, Craig...From whom would anyone "demand" free college? How is anyone being disincentivized? I don't get it. Or maybe you don't?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 06:50 PM
I simply don't think it matters much if a Wildlife Biologist gets caught poaching deer on posted land the day before hunting season, or if a child molester was a respected Parish Priest, or if someone took bribes and kept highly classified government secrets on an unsecured server while serving as Secretary Of State, or if someone is a good friend and a hard worker who entered the country illegally. The law is the law, and ignorance of the law is supposed to be no excuse. We say that no one should be above the law, but then we start making exceptions, and the law becomes meaningless and unjust.

When we start picking and choosing who gets unequal Justice under the law, we risk opening a whole 'nother can of worms. Not the least of these is the fact that granting one amnesty after another only gives incentive for people to continue to break the law. Reagan fell for that ruse in the 1980's by being compassionate and willing to compromise. Look where it got us. But there are people like King Brown who want open borders, but are too agenda driven to be bothered with all of the ramifications. The U.S of A. was able to become exceptional, and thus able to help so many other countries and people partly because it didn't permit itself to be overwhelmed with uncontrolled immigration.

A U.S. with open borders would quickly become a footnote in history that would be of little good to anyone. It could become like an irresponsible man who fathered as many children as he could without properly raising or feeding them. But short-sighted nutjobs like King think there is nothing wrong with that scenario, and that there will always be some person or Corporation who will be ready, willing, and able to sustain it. People who refuse to cut the lawns or pick the crops or do other work should NEVER get a dime of Welfare benefits unless they are disabled and unable to work. Period. That kind of work always got done without millions of illegal immigrants until we began giving lazy people the equivalent of $40-50,000 per year to just sit home and reproduce and vote Democrat.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 06:58 PM
Geezo, I cant believe I am agreeing with most of what Keith just said..Anyhow my quiver is empty on this subject...Gonna go have a piece of punkin pie for lunch and see if I can get out hunting..
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 07:03 PM
The millenials are demanding free college, and Socialists like Hillary and Bernie Sanders are offering it. My daughter thought it was a good idea until I reminded her that she has zero student loan debt because her Dad paid for every cent of her education. But now that she is working, she would be taxed for her entire career to pay for other kids to go for free. And when it became "free", it would naturally get much more expensive for the taxpayers who were paying for the government sponsored freebie. And many of those who took advantage of it would be those who weren't suited for it in the first place, but it would become discriminatory to exclude anyone just because they weren't smart or motivated enough to do well.

All debt is paid. By someone, somewhere, sometime. A government that taxes you to redistribute wealth to others has just enslaved you and robbed you of hours out of your life, to provide goodies to someone else. I have no problem with helping the truly needy and disabled, but my generosity has been stretched way too thin, especially when I still have Socialists like King Brown calling me selfish and greedy.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 07:16 PM
The whole system is based on pushing high school graduates to colleges and universities when they would be far better served learning trade that is in demand. There are far too many mediocre colleges and universities attendance to which guarantees nothing. Only the most gifted should attend select group of top very established Universities.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 07:23 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
....People who refuse to cut the lawns or pick the crops or do other work should NEVER get a dime of Welfare benefits unless they are disabled and unable to work. Period....

To be all inclusive, I'll sub question mark for period. If someone can figure out how to get the bennies, maybe that proves they aren't afraid of a little work. Nope, I don't get it, just looked in the fridge, and all I saw was some blah leftovers, but I suppose I'll trudge through some. I guess the food in there has value, maybe not a whole lot, but enough to think it shouldn't be taken for granted. If I got all my groceries for free, I wonder if they might not mean as much to me.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 07:31 PM
Should be fun watching 100,000 unemployed coal miners trying to round up 30,000,000 illegals.

__________________________
Whatcha havin' craigd?
Posted By: AmarilloMike Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 08:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
The whole system is based on pushing high school graduates to colleges and universities when they would be far better served learning trade that is in demand. There are far too many mediocre colleges and universities attendance to which guarantees nothing. Only the most gifted should attend select group of top very established Universities.


Because of globalization, high paying blue collar jobs are in short supply.

If Trump is able to enact his promised tariffs it will bring millions of higher paying jobs back.

If he deports a significant portion of the illegal aliens it will drive up wages at the chicken factories and construction sites. If he slows illegal immigration those higher wages will stay higher.

But sending those that graduated in the bottom 95% of their high school class to trade school has no payoff without the wall and the deportations and the tariffs. Because those good paying jobs won't be there.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 08:35 PM
One of the major problems is going to be getting businesses to open up where there are high numbers of unemployed. Why would a business open in a high tax area where the political structure is dependent on the votes of people who receive government assistance. Often, and this has happened in my area, is whenever there is a tax reduction at one level of government, another level raises taxes to make things "revenue neutral". Heavily Democrat areas are going to do this in order to keep their base dependent. People are going to have to move to realize any real economic gains.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 10:51 PM
Generally, the business unfriendly communities are the same ones that're wondering now if they're going to loose federal funding. There's some money that a small business, through incentives, can probably put to better use than the mayors of sanctuary cities. There have also been many ideological scams like the solyndra failure. Maybe another source of incentive funding at a tiny fraction of what the current admin is happy to pee away. It may not be the worst idea in the world to have inner city employers as part of a motivated ground game for future elections.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 11:16 PM
What Federal Funding do these business's get that they may lose? How bout some specifics? Like funding source, type of funding IE: Loans, grants?
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 11:44 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
What Federal Funding do these business's get that they may lose?....

Not following here LD, probably thinking about different thing.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/16/16 11:58 PM
First line in your last post..What does that mean?
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 12:18 AM
Ken said there's little incentive to start a business in a dem city that has been wrecked by policy, including high taxes.

Fed grants are sent to many cities, not businesses, to let their politicians use most any way they want.

A campaign position and something wall to wall in the news right now is the possibility of withholding these grants from sanctuary cities.

Sanctuary cities are generally the same places that dems are running into the ground with policy, regs and taxes.

If that money does turn out to be withheld from the mayors of some of these cities, the new admin could direct it towards incentivising small business start ups in the worst of the worst cities.

Incentives could be in the form of loan or loan guarantees, but might also be in the form of tax considerations to help offset state and local taxes.

I would think that small business owner would work like a slave, for their business. When election time comes around, these business owners may have an interest to continue in a business friendly environment.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 12:43 AM
OK, gotcha..My reason for asking was, My wife and I shared the office of Director of Economic Development for this part of Kansas for quite a long time. We were trying to figure out what kind of Federal aid was going out to business's that could be withdrawn. Block Grants are usually competitive and often carry so many conditions they aren't worth competing for. Tax credits are kinda iffy because in most cases they offset income that a new business doesn't have. There used to be a brisk business in selling the credits at a discount to a company that could use it, but I think that got shut off. Small business really doesn't get much help from the Gummint..BUT who does..?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 01:55 AM
Cutting regulations and reducing the business tax will go a long way as far as enabling existing businesses to hire more people.

People looking at areas to start new businesses will, if they have a choice, pick the most economical place to do it.

My State has long been at the bottom for "business friendly" environment, although that may be changing. The Republicans now, as of the election, control all branches. Since we're one of the highest tax states (as a percentage of income) we're losing population. Hopefully things will change. I've always said that my state would be a disaster if farmers could pick up their land and move.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 01:58 AM
You sound way more up on the issue than I'll ever be. I don't believe a successful economy can be bought. I think most lousy economic situations have folks in those communities that would take an opportunity and run with it if they could.

I don't think it would be easy. I'm pretty sure it's easy under the current admin to pour billions down the drain with, I can't think of any thing to show for it. The middle men, mayors, of these cities will continue to be all that they can be. Someone should try to cut out the middleman.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 02:14 AM
Yeah,

Just what have we gotten for an extra 11 Trillion in debt? I have no idea.
Posted By: GaryW Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 03:19 AM
King Brown....."The U.S. has nothing to teach Canada..." except in how to NOT elect a liberal turd as president......
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 04:57 AM
You got that right, Gary. Pity it couldn't be done without embarrassing your great country before the world with the most denigrating, filthy and lying campaign of modern history.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/17/16 05:21 AM
King, you shouldn't speak of Hillary's campaign that way! laugh
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/17/16 06:01 AM
Even more unbelievable, they're talking Pelosi as in Politburo succession!
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 02:15 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
You got that right, Gary. Pity it couldn't be done without embarrassing your great country before the world with the most denigrating, filthy and lying campaign of modern history.


In reality, the 2008 election took the prize for lying. The whole Obama campaign was based on lying and Obama's "Cult of Personality". His positions were always very subjective, allowing people to believe whatever they desired. Once elected, in typical statist manner, he claimed a Mandate to do whatever he pleased, including sociopathic infliction resulting in the loss of Freedom for millions of Americans, all while gleefully destroying their standard of living. Looking back, it's obvious he'd never have been elected if he had been truthful as to what he was going to do.

Now, the predictable has happened. The massive electoral shift throughout all levels of government is obvious. Democrat denial of the real reasons are rife. The election was all about issues, in a very clear sense, despite the Democrats using their tired, old tactics of psychopolitical demonization based in identity politics. This is what was embarrassing, for Democrats, to think it would work.

What statists around the world think is irrelevant, especially tired, bitter, anti-intellectual, America-hating old Commies. I remember a quote about being relegated to the " dustbin of history", which I think is appropriate for them right about now.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/17/16 03:07 PM
Posted By: AmarilloMike Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 04:26 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
You got that right, Gary. Pity it couldn't be done without embarrassing your great country before the world with the most denigrating, filthy and lying campaign of modern history.


With political correctness the Democrats effectively gagged the Republican Presidential candidates in 2012 and 2008 and those Republican candidates lost. So, rather than self-censor himself en route to a loss, candidate Trump said what many of us say; Open borders is a stupid idea and intended to fill our country with cheap labor (which drives down our citizens' wages) and intended to fill the voting booths in Democrat neighborhoods and is not the law (Democrats call that xenophobia and racism); Globalization is an elitist program intended to aid poor countries and is at the expense of our middle class (Democrats call it "isolationism"); Affirmative action or diversity programs discriminate against White citizens (Democrats call people that believe that racists); When Mr. Obama' turned the immigration law upside down with his executive order to issue illegal aliens work papers he had ceased to carry out the law of the land.

So Mr. Trump decided it was more important to win. And I bet he remembered that the Democrats called Romney and McCain racists, even with their politically correct campaigns.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:04 PM
James and lonesome on Canada not pulling its weight in NATO monetarily a couple pages back: It’s true the United States carries the defence load of Canada and Europe as the most powerful, influential and richest country in the world, a concomitant responsibility of the American empire. It now says it doesn’t need allies. Those countries under its umbrella must pay for their protection Mafia-style or suffer the consequences. It won’t happen. A country that told its people it could fight two major wars on two continents at the same time hasn’t had a victory since Grenada and Panama. National security is more than money.

Canada stewards the lives of its citizens and resources as it sees fit and buttles to no one. It wouldn’t fight and die to protect the last remnants of the French colonial empire in Vietnam nor go along with the deceitful, costly and illegal invasion of Iraq. It’s not happy with NATO’s breaking its solemn word with Soviets by pushing right up to its borders, within 75 miles of its second city St. Petersburg, or its involvement in the Middle East after the horrors of Arab Spring. While trying to understand the larger world around it, Canada finds itself fighting a NATO ally and jihadists and helping the Kurds carve out a country of their own in the Syrian abbatoir.

So, yes, between wars Canada always neglected the military---as did the US with its isolationist policy allowing it to be torpedoed into the First and bombed into the Second while the British and Commonwealth fought fascism alone---and Canada's commitment overseas now is largely symbolic for legitimate reasons. The future is lots of little wars, not a nuclear one. The great powers don’t fight each other any more. The US military itself no longer believes that large conventional forces are appropriate for handling a relatively modest terrorist threat. Canada is one of two countries that persuaded the US to participate in NATO. With or without the US, it may be a significant partner again of NATO as an international police force to diminish extremism and imperialistic notions.

Canada has always punched above its weight in military prowess when needed. It gave the British its first victory after four months of humiliation and defeat from the gallant Boers and their Mausers in South Africa. Canada had “the finest formations of both sides” in the First World War, according to the leading military historian of his generation, Trevor-Roper. With a relatively tiny population, it finished the Second World War with the third and fourth-largest air force and surface naval fleet. Our Special Forces and military are welcomed additions to their peers.

My opinion of where Canada spends its money currently as a sovereign nation to the world’s advantage is in doing its part in taking in refugees from Syria as part of its collective responsibility for the consequences of Iraq. From any military and humanitarian perspective, it’s arguably of greater value to the world than contributing to the sacrificing of tens of millions of innocents---for what? Jihadists in one form or another have always been with us. Collectively the West has kept them in manageable proportions without losing its high standards of human values.





Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:14 PM
Canada, as far as this thread is irrelevant. Start another thread if you want to. I mean really, who cares? You just don't realize you've been baited, and although your reactions are humorous, they're pointless.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:19 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
Canada, as far as this thread is irrelevant. Start another thread if you want to. I mean really, who cares? You just don't realize you've been baited, and although your reactions are humorous, they're pointless.


I enjoy their food products and cosmetics on daily basis. I mean their crackers are better than those made in Great Britain. Canada is far from irrelevant.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:24 PM
"As far as this thread"

Although I certainly do have an appreciation for their canned jams and their unique style of bacon.

Both of which have been more impactful and significant to my life than King's irrelevant and insulting comments.
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
"As far as this thread"

Although I certainly do have an appreciation for their canned jams and their unique style of bacon.

Both of which have been more impactful and significant to my life than King's irrelevant and insulting comments.


You do realize that Canada is a "small" county with population similar to State of California, right? You expect too much from them.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 05:35 PM
They look so much bigger on the map. I'm also grateful for the money their Snowbirds bring to us each Winter, as well as the health care tourists escaping the utopia of the Canadian system. Not to mention all the Winter Wheat for our breads and pasta. Hopefully now we'll also be getting that wonderful Tar Sand oil through the new pipeline.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 06:22 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....My opinion of where Canada spends its money currently as a sovereign nation to the world’s advantage is in doing its part in taking in refugees from Syria as part of its collective responsibility for the consequences of Iraq. From any military and humanitarian perspective, it’s arguably of greater value to the world....

Commendable. It is unfortunate though that three fourths of Canadians surveyed now have significant regrets. Reprehensible, righteous?, is young Canadian girls being subject to violent sexual assault in the name of cultural tolerance. Still, an important investment for progress.

Unfortunately, Canadian natives are subject to double the rate of violent crime, but are pacified with various intoxicants. Maybe, we're cutting corner when it comes to prioritizing how we spend our money? There's a feel good video though of gaddafi getting dragged through the streets and tortured to death, a policy that has stabilized iraq and thus trickled down to syria.

You may now send the refugees back. They thank you for the hospitality, and will load aps into their phones to replay the victory laps bo is taking on his farewell tour. T-shirts and doormats available @the bo foundationdotcom, website under construction.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 06:53 PM
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Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 08:20 PM
craig, countries are obliged to do things for which majorities may not agree. Refugees don't leave their homes and homelands without good reasons. They are dependant on the kindness of strangers. Canada with a tenth of the US population decided to take in vastly more than the US---175,000 to 1700?--- because it's the right thing to do.

Similarly Canadians on most days would vote to bring back capital punishment but it's not what modern societies do for good reasons---except for the US. Not to put too fine a point on it, an American minority just elected a new president with a much lower approval rating than the incumbent to smash their unrepresentative governance and start over again.

Americans did this from loathing and fear, living on two distinct planets, with the full knowledge that the man who would change everything to their wishes would discover through the country's deep divisions and the Constitution's division of powers, all those vaunted checks and balances, he is powerless to keep those main promises, as did Obama.

You won't send him back nor Canada its refugees because our sovereign people know it's the right thing to do. We know from experience that Canada can't survive as a great country without New Canadians, and that immigrants do better in the work force and educational achievement than those born in this country. It's easier for Canada to accommodate multiculturalism. It doesn't suffer from two civil wars---you called the first a revolution---and unerasable racial wounds.

Best of luck, dear America, best of luck.



Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 08:37 PM
Well, Dear King...I just got back from a stay with my Over educated Cousin in Toronto..( TWO PHD's). I am not sure everyone in Canada agrees with you on the Syrian influx...I hope it works out for you..I really do...
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 09:23 PM
Always risks in anything worth doing, LD, even in a country striving to make a multicultural society. I remember when you wouldn't see a person of colour in Toronto. There are seven Syrian families already in the nearby 5,000 pop university town of Antigonish, two already in business for themselves. Two of my hammer-and-saw conservative hunting buddies, one a Newfoundlander and the other a retired Greek restauranteur, helped build a Syrian chocolatier's shop from scratch; the prime minister mentioned it at the United Nations. I look at all of it with a curious and optimistic eye because my forebearers were here before the Europeans came. Nitap (good day in Mi'kmaq.) And thanks.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 10:39 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Not to put too fine a point on it, an American minority just elected a new president with a much lower approval rating than the incumbent....

....the man who would change everything to their wishes....

....nor Canada its refugees because our sovereign people know it's the right thing to do. We know from experience that Canada can't survive as a great country without New Canadians....

....Best of luck, dear America, best of luck....

King, if there's one thing we learned, it's don't trust the polls. Perhaps, you're only polling the 25% that agree with you and approve of bo? Might I suggest a wider sampling.

Slash and burn only works in Canadian timber country. Only bo can give minorities everything their hearts desire. Trump can't grant wishes, hang on maybe he can, he sent hill packing, okay, bad example.

Don't be so quick to assume the 'new' Canadians will enhance the motherland's survival. Keep in mind, nothing good ever comes from these situations, or so I'm told. By the way, check your numbers, I don't think you folks are being quite so magnanimous towards syrian chocolatiers as you're thinking.

If it's going to come down to luck, doesn't it look like America is making her own luck?
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 10:50 PM
From what the rest of the world is saying, they think hell would be an improvement for America. Check out the current The Economist. It's telling its significant American readership that the US is on a dangerous and pessimistic path with China, Russia and Turkey, Trumpanomics even more costly to America than Reaganomics.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 11:01 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....they think hell would be an improvement for America....

You know what an atrocious speller I am, and normally wouldn't be a stickler for the minutia, but you left out an apostrophe.

I think you were trying to say, 'he'll' be an improvement for America. I thank you, but what was so bad about the current fellow? Other than a crushing rejection, someone might do well to campaign on continuing the last eight years, plus add in cool ideas about securing sensitive national intel.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 11:15 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
From what the rest of the world is saying, they think hell would be an improvement for America. Check out the current The Economist. It's telling its significant American readership that the US is on a dangerous and pessimistic path with China, Russia and Turkey, Trumpanomics even more costly to America than Reaganomics.


No doubt the article was written by some learned Constitutionalist, with a world wide reputation for championing the rights of individuals over the tyranny of the State. He's probably a vocal anti-collectivist, who recognizes that Keynesian economics is totalitarian mythology, and that Globalism is a thin mask covering an agenda of world wide Ruling Class tyranny.

Of course you think Reaganomics (Austrian, or Supply Side) economics is evil, it results in more freedom for the individual and less power to the State. Your bigotry is really becoming tiresome, but it is still marginally amusing.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 11:29 PM
For all that, you've still got nominally a Republican never accepted by the Republican Establishment or conservative intelligentsia surrounded by mediocrities Christie, Giuliani etc. Even GOP senators showing opposition to president-elect on front pages today, Senator Ryan terming Bolton a "menace" as secretary of state, an old hand failed in foreign affairs. That's your people, Ken, not me. Major opposition may be coming from members of Trump's own party.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/17/16 11:48 PM
Ah, a "pie in the sky" hope, wish all you want. Considering what we've had with the Obama administration, staffed by statist sociopaths, collectivist toadies and sycophants, all lacking any real world experience but strong on Red ideology, I'll take Trump's selections any day. Change is coming, and it will be for the better.


The Democrats have insured he'll be motivated to fulfill his promises. Trump is well aware if he changes or fails to deliver (both of which the Democrats will try to make happen) it will be the election issue of 2020. Just like Democrats did to HW Bush in 1992 to suppress the Republican base.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 03:38 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....intelligentsia surrounded by mediocrities....

It's a slow process, but Republicans are working on this. Actually, a lowly state legislator in Iowa may be inspiring a grass roots ground swell by introducing the 'suck it up buttercup' bill.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 03:56 AM
There's a good reason that Iowa City, home of The University of Iowa, is called "The Little Red City on the River". I should know, I grew up there.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 01:24 PM
Come on, with Obamacare amended or repealed outright and lower tax rates for not only individuals but corporations, this economy will explode!!!!

Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 02:41 PM
I don't want to miss it. I'd prefer to watch it without Bannon and Flynn. I don't, as craig says, expect high jinks coming out of the gate. For all the bull's power and prestige, he's still limited by Congress decisions on a budget, the level of taxes and where the money is spent, each fundamental to the key issue of the economy.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 03:24 PM
I can't resist. I know this is a long read, but trust me, well worth it. Mark Steyn, one of my favorite writers/analysts, lays out the left's intellectual vacuousness perfectly here, along with the dangerous implications inherent in their totalitarian instincts:


Advice for the Loyal Opposition
by Mark Steyn
Steyn on America
November 15, 2016



"The object of Parliament," observed Winston Churchill at election time in 1951, "is to substitute argument for fisticuffs."

How's that holding up after November 8th? The object of at least a proportion of those on the streets is to substitute fisticuffs for argument, and indeed for Parliament: The less self-aware even chant "This is what democracy looks like!" - by which they mean not the election but the post-election riots and looting and assaults. Some among these self-proclaimed champions of women and immigrants wish to substitute rape for argument, a cause of such broad appeal that the ideological enforcers at the monopoly social-media cartels breezily permitted the hashtag "Rape Melania" to "trend" on Twitter.

The object of the food-delivery company Grubhub, meanwhile, is to substitute unemployment for argument. The CEO, Matt Maloney, wrote to all his employees advising any Trump voters among them to take a hike:

Please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

Ha! What a wimp. Why fire your political opponents when you can fire at them? Substituting assassination for argument, Matt Harrington:

Getting a sniper rife and perching myself where it counts. Find a bedroom in the whitehouse that suits you motherf**ker. I'll find you.

Who's Matt Harrington? Some unemployable lippy slacktivist with a master's in transgender and colonialism studies? No, he's President and CEO of a cool high-tech cyber-security company called PacketSled. The sled has now decided to move on without its lead dog.

These are not perhaps the most psychologically healthy reactions to the inevitable pendulum swings of free elections in multi-party societies. Not for nothing did Andrew Sullivan warn a few months back of "the passions of the mob". Oh, no, wait - he was worried about Trump supporters:

And so, as I chitchatted over cocktails at a Washington office Christmas party in December, and saw, looming above our heads, the pulsating, angry televised face of Donald Trump on Fox News, I couldn't help but feel a little nausea permeate my stomach. And as I watched frenzied Trump rallies on C-SPAN in the spring, and saw him lay waste to far more qualified political peers in the debates by simply calling them names, the nausea turned to dread. And when he seemed to condone physical violence as a response to political disagreement, alarm bells started to ring in my head.

Obviously, I'd rather be "chitchatting over cocktails at a Washington office Christmas Party" with Andrew Sullivan, but my invite got misplaced. So I wound up viewing Trump's rallies not through the woozy filter of my martini glass but from the fifth row of the stalls, and they were a lot less "angry" and "frenzied" than, say, Matt Harrigan or Matt Maloney. Sometimes it helps to take the pulse of America from outside the cocktail party. Speaking of pulses and pulsating, I couldn't honestly say Donald Trump's face "pulsates" on TV more than Andrew Sullivan's. Perhaps it was the gin and vermouth, or a problem with the vertical hold. To his credit, Mr Sullivan was at least getting it back-to-front six months ago. CNN's Sally Kohn was getting it back-to-front at 9pm on election night:

My sense is that if Trump wins, Hillary supporters will be sad. If Hillary wins, Trump supporters will be angry. Important difference.

Hmm. Sally Kohn and Andrew Sullivan appear to be substituting Psychoanalysis for Dummies for argument - and everywhere except where it's needed. When a major political party suffers the scale of defeat the Democrats have (losing the presidency, the Senate, the House, and governor's mansions and state legislatures across the map), a period of private introspection and public circumspection is often helpful - as Churchill recognized after losing the 1945 election, telling his colleagues that the public didn't want to hear a word from the Conservative Party for a long time and he proposed to go somewhere and paint. Instead, if Tuesday night was a rude awakening, by Wednesday morning the smart set had all gone back to sleep, retreating to the soothing, self-flattering bromide "Love Trumps Hate" - even though evidently in swing states it doesn't. Thus telly star John Oliver, after the election:

While Oliver agreed "in the broadest sense" that it would typically be good to hope for the president's success, this is not a normal situation.

"Optimism is nice if you can swing it, but you've got to be careful, because it can feed into the normalization of Donald Trump — and he's not normal," Oliver said. "He's abnormal. He's a human 'What Is Wrong with This Picture?' He sticks out like a sore thumb, and frankly he even looks like a sore thumb. So giving him a chance, in the sense of not speaking out immediately against policies that he's proposed, is dangerous. Because some of them are alarming..." It's "the to-do list on Satan's refrigerator, which of course Satan no longer needs now that hell has frozen over," Oliver said.

John Oliver & Co spent the last 18 months "de-normalizing" Trump, and the upshot was that half the country voted for the to-do list on Satan's refrigerator. But not the half of the country that Oliver et al care about, so why not de-normalize all those Satanist rubes too? Early on election night, tweeter Freddie de Boer anticipated how this was likely to go:

I am honest to god begging you guys, John Oliver and Lena Dunham are f**king killing you and you have no goddamn idea, please stop it

To which his chum Pete replied:

Really? You think we should have broadened our appeal to racists and misogynists?

Got it. There are two Americas: John Oliver's America and Satan's America, with one almighty River Styx between them - literally: River Styx is a township in Medina County, Ohio, which went for Trump over Hillary 60/35. Coincidence?

Just a thought, but, if you keep insisting that half your fellow citizens are haters, maybe you're the hater.

Speaking of counties, there are precisely 676 of them across this great republic that voted twice for Obama. Last Tuesday, one-third of them flipped and went for Trump. The condescendicrats' view of America is tribal: These ghastly Trump types are not our kind of people, darling, and they never will be. But they were your kind of people in 2008 and 2012. So, by "broadening our appeal to racists", Pete in fact means "reducing our appeal to hitherto non-racists". Two-time Obama voters, offered a choice between the Devil and the deep-blue sea of celeb-led boutique liberalism, opted for Satan's to-do list.

It's one thing to substitute fisticuffs for argument (in some countries, that works), and even to substitute insults for argument (with certain kinds of doormat Republicans, that also works). But I'd be less confident about substituting condescension for argument. Here's Harry Potter star Emma Watson picking herself up and dusting herself off on a grey morning after:

Today I am going to deliver Maya Angelou books to the New York subway. Then I am going to fight even harder for all the things I believe in.

But, if you're just passing out third-rate doggerel to bored strap-hangers and platform derelicts slumped in their own urine, are you really "fighting" that "hard" for what you believe in? The lesson of Tuesday night for Democrats should have been the thought Rush Limbaugh left his listeners with just before he signed off on Election Day back in 2000: "Maybe there are fewer of us than I thought..." The people who think like Andrew Sullivan and Sally Kohn and Emma Watson and John Oliver and Lena Dunham are, if not few in number, concentrated in relatively few corners of a sprawling country: one third of the Democrats' representation in the House now comes from just three states - New York, Massachusetts and California. That's one reason why they're calling for the abolition of the Electoral College.

But, absent the upending of the constitution, they have a problem.

John Oliver and Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah have sportingly decided, to judge from their ratings, to prioritize their politics over their comedy. But, whether or not "Love Trumps Hate", condescension doesn't trump anything. For a year-and-a-half they shoveled industrial-strength coastal sneering into the path of the Trump train on a scale that would have derailed any other candidate before he got to Iowa. Instead, Trump just bulldozed through it. If elite condescension failed to deny him the presidency, is it likely to be any more effective now that he is the president?

It was left to the film-maker Michael Moore to explain it to his fellow lefties. He predicted that Trump's victory would be "the biggest f**k-you ever recorded in human history". And it wasn't just a f**k-you to Washington, but also to boutique liberalism's ersatz-aristocracy - Katy Perry and Amy Schumer, and Miley Cyrus weeping her election analysis all over YouTube, and Lena Dunham threatening to move to Canada. The very threat underlines the difference: They can afford identity-group leftism, and they can afford to escape it when everything goes south. How bad is it in those 209 two-time Obama-voting counties that plumped for Trump? Those losers can't even afford to flee to Canada, or Australia, or John Oliver and Andrew Sullivan and Emma Watson's Britain.

Strangely enough, all these people swaggering about insouciantly demonizing millions of their fellow citizens as haters and Satanists profess to feeling "scared" and "unsafe" from the terror all around. Fortunately, in the midst of their fears they've found a marketing opportunity:

Days after Donald Trump was named president-elect, Americans are spreading a message of unity with a simple symbol: a silver safety pin.

And what "message of unity" could be simpler than that one in every two Americans is a violent hater-racist-misogynist-homophobe-Islamophobe-transphobe Satan fridge-magnet?

On Friday, the hashtag #safetypin trended on Twitter, as dozens of people shared selfies with safety pins attached to their clothing.

"Standing together we will be safe," one user tweeted.

"My #SafetyPin shows I will protect those who feel in danger bc of gender, sexuality, race, disability, religion, etc.," another said. "You are safe with me."

That's true in the sense that, if Matt Harrington is around and they've confiscated his sniper rifle, he'll be able to borrow your safety pin and stab Trump with it.

Can you really substitute virtue-signaling for argument? Especially when it's this lame? And, indeed, are there enough safety-pins in America for all those who feel unsafe? Or will Trump's trade war be dealt a massive crushing defeat as cheap knock-offs from Chinese safety-pin factories flood the US market?

Like almost every other schoolhouse in America, my own kids' principal sent out a morning-after email blast bemoaning the way elections are determined "not by reasoning but by emotions". ,Somewhat oddly for a chap draping himself in the banner of reason, he then blathered on about hope and love and the power of love to triumph over hate with more hope so that love wins, etc. And he seemed not to notice that, having bemoaned the way elections are decided by emotion, he'd discussed this one entirely in terms of his feelings. To return to Churchill, the schoolmaster's object was to substitute emotional exhibitionism for argument.

And what of the "reasoning" behind the exhibitionism? There is something grim and trivializing about snowflakes with safety-pins. Are they truly feeling "unsafe" in their safe space? If so, the safety-pin will come in handy for holding their recyclable diapers on. As I said to Howie Carr last week, these delicate blooms are professing to be traumatized because, after years of civics class, they had no idea America wasn't a one-party state and that once every few years a fellow with a different opinion gets to win. If we indulge this, what silver-pin decorative brooches are left for the 60 per cent of the planet without free elections?

My kids' school principal seems a pleasant enough fellow and perhaps even sincere in his effusions about love and hope. But the reaction to the normal pendulum swings of contested elections is profoundly unhealthy, and totalitarian in its implications. Pace Andrew Sullivan, Trump didn't win because he substituted "name-calling" for "political disagreement". The exit-polling revealed that large numbers of people who didn't "approve" of Trump personally nevertheless voted for him ...because they agreed with him on policy, on trade and immigration and unwon wars, and his willingness to stick to his positions through a barrage of elite scorn. The derision didn't work, and it will continue not to work. I made the point to Howie that, because of political correctness and their hammerlock on the culture, the left hasn't needed to argue - and so gradually they've lost the ability to argue. Thus: "Hater!" "Racist!" "Misogynist!" These are safety-pins with the point drawn, but in the end they're mere fashion accessories, too.

Hence some advice for the Loyal Opposition: Your virtue is not dispositive, nor is your condescension. Reader Steve Messer recently reminded me of a C S Lewis response that seems apposite:

I complained that the tone of undergraduate criticism was too often 'that of passionate resentment'. You illustrate this admirably by accusing me of 'Pecksniffian disingenuousness', 'shabby bluff' and 'self-righteousness'. Do not misunderstand. I am not in the least deprecating your insults; I have enjoyed these twenty years l'honneur d'être une cible and am now pachydermatous. I am not even rebuking your bad manners; I am not Mr Turveydrop and 'gentlemanly deportment' is not a subject I am paid to teach. What shocks me is that students, academics, men of letters, should display what I had thought was an essentially uneducated inability to differentiate between a disputation and a quarrel. The real objection to this sort of thing is that it is all a distraction from the issue. You waste on calling me a liar and hypocrite time you ought to have spent on refuting my position. Even if your main purpose was to gratify resentment, you have gone about it in the wrong way. Any man would much rather be called names than proved wrong.

To be honest, I'd be mildly impressed were any of the #NotMyPresident types to hold up a sign accusing Trump of "Pecksniffian disingenuousness" and "shabby bluff", but it doesn't seem to be Miley or Katy's bag, and Pecksniffian uses up too many Twitter characters for a viable hashtag. That said, Donald Trump is pachydermatous on a nuclear scale and clearly relishes l'honneur d'être une cible (look it up, snowflakes). So you're gonna need something new. Like maybe try refuting Trump's positions rather than labeling the millions of voters who support them. Oh, and while we're at at it, you might politely suggest to Messrs Oliver, Colbert and Noah that there's never been a better time to embark on a mid-life career change and move into comedy. If the object is to win the next election, sneering is not a substitute for argument, or entertainment.

But maybe, as the schoolhouse trauma-counseling suggests, they're moving beyond all that. Reader D C Alan writes from Washington:

The Play-Doh generation might not have the mettle to slog it out on the Western Front, but that doesn't mean that they are not ready and willing to fight. These are exactly the types who get motivated to savage mob violence very quickly and easily, which is the ultimate goal of the Left's infantilization of the culture. (Steyn: "The scale of solipsistic compliant ignorance is totalitarian -- and terrifying, in that it will inevitably be exploited for catastrophic and evil ends." July 31, 2015)

If Trump is a hater, then voting for him is a hate crime. So, if you de-normalize Trump, you de-normalize the millions of your fellow citizens who voted for him. And, if you de-normalize his voters, you de-legitimize their votes. And, if you de-legitimize their votes, you de-legitimize the very idea of representative government.

And, if you lead a generation of young Americans down that dark road, you more or less guarantee that argument and Parliament and politics will be succeeded by fisticuffs and terror and horrible consuming violence .

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Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 03:47 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
he's still limited by Congress decisions on a budget, the level of taxes and where the money is spent, each fundamental to the key issue of the economy.


A Congress now totally controlled by Republicans. Budget Reconciliation only requires a simple majority, the filibuster does not apply. Now, since Robert's decision clearly identified Obamacare as a tax, it cannot be protected by a filibuster either.

Real change is coming, even the "Great Society" and the "New Deal" are in danger. As they should be.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 04:47 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....I'd prefer to watch it without Bannon and Flynn....
....For all the bull's power and prestige, he's still limited by Congress decisions on a budget....

I would have preferred to watch the Presidential debates without wasser/shutz and brazil feeding intel to the dem candidate, but some thing are easy to brush under the rug, can you? Just kidding, I can't wait for the ellisn lead dnc platform to take shape.

Interesting tidbit, Apples claims they started looking at making phones in the US, back in June. Bannon didn't jump on board till August. What did Apple know that the buttercups didn't?

Pence told the R's in congress to 'buckle up'. Trump says he's going back to the swing states to reassure them. Heck, Pence even threw your gal pelosi a bone, with that photo op. Sounds like some folks are willing to try. They could've said, I have a pen-n-a-phone and a tee time.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 08:04 PM
It may not be a rough ride, landing straight up without more than a wrinkle in its chaps, if US gets over tit-for-tat and decides to make the country all Americans want it to be. The other way broke the country in twain.

James and I have different opinions of how Canada should be run. Both of us may seem like exotic invasive species on the forum. Neither is harsh or impugns the integrity or patriotism of the other.

Tolerance is key to peace, order and good government. It works. It's a tough challenge for the US under the circumstances, as it is with the growing nationalist trends world-wide. We share different cultures.

Having said that, James and I know Canada is the last country on earth to exercise or believe in multiculturalism, our Great Experiment. We may be blessed similarly when our countries are majorities of colour in 25 years.

As will the US.
Posted By: mc Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 08:26 PM
multiculturalism?? what happened to people wanting to be american.when immigrants came to america in the past the dream was to be american,not a hyphen american and why is you country going to be judged on its color?your statement almost sounds like the accomplishments of the past don't count because of a color barrier.i think a hyphen divides more than it brings together.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 08:50 PM
I think hyphens divide, period. Immigrants can be anything they want to call themselves. We anticipate Syrians now coming to our community will become Canadian citizens, swear allegiance to the country, respect our values---as others have, in the same way the homeless and displaced built the US into an intellectual and industrial powerhouse, literally a nation of immigrants. Canada isn't judged by its colour now nor will it be in 25 years when a majority of people of colour will make the laws, just as it will in the US. Multiculturalism.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 09:05 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Canada isn't judged by its colour now nor will it be in 25 years when a majority of people of colour will make the laws, just as it will in the US. Multiculturalism.

So, will all law be race based, or just certain ones? Are you thinking there might be an overthrow, or are the new racists laws going to 'made' using the rights and protections granted under color blind old pale male Constitution? Don't worry, I don't think you're perceived as exotic around these parts, possibly more of a rodent(?) infestation, bedbugs?, lice? Don't scratch!
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 09:37 PM
Of course King continually perpetuates the "Racism Myth" about America. It is Soviet Black Liberation Doctrine. It is Soviet Balkanization Doctrine. It will always be used by totalitarians to gain political power through Victim Cults. It is mythology. It is Religion. It is not scientific, there is no scientific basis for the concept of Race. King's continuous use of this mythology exposes him for the anti-American, totalitarian bigot he truly is.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 09:50 PM
wow
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 10:20 PM
ORIGIN OF THE IDEA OF RACE
by Audrey Smedley
Anthropology Newsletter, November 1997

Contemporary scholars agree that "race" was a recent invention and that it was essentially a folk idea, not a product of scientific research and discovery. This is not new to anthropologists. Since the 1940s when Ashley Montagu argued against the use of the term "race" in science, a growing number of scholars in many disciplines have declared that the real meaning of race in American society has to do with social realities, quite distinct from physical variations in the human species. I argue that race was institutionalized beginning in the 18th century as a worldview, a set of culturally created attitudes and beliefs about human group differences.

Slavery and the Coming of Africans

Race and its ideology about human differences arose out of the context of African slavery. But many peoples throughout history have been enslaved without the imposition of racial ideology. When we look at 17th century colonial America before the enactment of laws legitimizing slavery only for Africans and their descendants (after 1660), several facts become clear.

1). The first people that the English tried to enslave and place on plantations were the Irish with whom they had had hostile relations since the 13th century.

2) Some Englishmen had proposed laws enslaving the poor in England and in the colonies to force them to work indefinitely.

3) Most of the slaves on English plantations in Barbados and Jamaica were Irish and Indians.

4) Many historians point out that African servants and bonded indentured white servants were treated much the same way. They often joined together, as in the case of Bacon's Rebellion (1676) to oppose the strict and oppressive laws of the colonial government.

In the latter part of the 17th century the demand for labor grew enormously. It had become clear that neither Irishmen nor Indians made good slaves. More than that, the real threats to social order were the poor freed whites who demanded lands and privileges that the upper class colonial governments refused. Some colonial leaders argued that turning to African labor provided a buffer against the masses of poor whites.

Until the 18th century the image of Africans was generally positive. They were farmers and cattle-breeders; they had industries, arts and crafts, governments and commerce. In addition, Africans had immunities to Old World diseases. They were better laborers and they had nowhere to escape to once transplanted to the New World. The colonists themselves came to believe that they could not survive without Africans.

When some Englishmen entered slave trading directly, it became clear that many of the English public had misgivings about slave-trading and re-creating slavery on English soil. It was an era when the ideals of equality, justice, democracy, and human rights were becoming dominant features of Western political philosophy. Those involved in the trade rationalized their actions by arguing that the Africans were heathens after all, and it was a Christian duty to save their souls. By the early part of the 18th century, the institution was fully established for Africans and their descendants. Large numbers of slaves flooded the southern colonies and even some northern ones. Sometimes they outnumbered whites, and the laws governing slavery became increasingly harsher.

A New Social Identity

Toward the end of the eighteenth century, the image of Africans began to change dramatically. The major catalyst for this transformation was the rise of a powerful antislavery movement that expanded and strengthened during the Revolutionary Era both in Europe and in the United States. As a consequence proslavery forces found it necessary to develop new arguments for defending the institution. Focusing on physical differences, they turned to the notion of the natural inferiority of Africans and thus their God-given suitability for slavery. Such arguments became more frequent and strident from the end of the eighteenth century on, and the characterizations of Africans became more negative.

From here we see the structuring of the ideological components of "race." The term "race," which had been a classificatory term like "type," or "kind," but with ambiguous meaning, became more widely used in the eighteenth century, and crystallized into a distinct reference for Africans, Indians and Europeans. By focusing on the physical and status differences between the conquered and enslaved peoples, and Europeans, the emerging ideology linked the socio-political status and physical traits together and created a new form of social identity. Proslavery leaders among the colonists formulated a new ideology that merged all Europeans together, rich and poor, and fashioned a social system of ranked physically distinct groups. The model for "race" and "races" was the Great Chain of Being or Scale of Nature (Scala Naturae), a semi-scientific theory of a natural hierarchy of all living things, derived from classical Greek writings. The physical features of different groups became markers or symbols of their status on this scale, and thus justified their positions within the social system. Race ideology proclaimed that the social, spiritual, moral, and intellectual inequality of different groups was, like their physical traits, natural, innate, inherited, and unalterable.

Thus was created the only slave system in the world that became exclusively "racial." By limiting perpetual servitude to Africans and their descendants, colonists were proclaiming that blacks would forever be at the bottom of the social hierarchy. By keeping blacks, Indians and whites socially and spatially separated and enforcing endogamous mating, they were making sure that visible physical differences would be preserved as the premier insignia of unequal social statuses. From its inception separateness and inequality was what "race" was all about. The attributes of inferior race status came to be applied to free blacks as well as slaves. In this way, "race" was configured as an autonomous new mechanism of social differentiation that transcended the slave condition and persisted as a form of social identity long after slavery ended.

Humans as Property

American slavery was unique in another way; that is, how North American slave-owners resolved the age-old dilemma of all slave systems. Slaves are both persons and things----human beings and property. How do you treat a human being as both person and property? And what should take precedence, the human rights of the slave or the property rights of the master? American laws made clear that property was more sacred than people, and the property rights of masters overshadowed the human rights of slaves. Said Chief Justice Roger B. Taney in the famous Dred Scott case of 1857, "Negroes were seen only as property; they were never thought of or spoken of except as property" and "(thus) were not intended by the framers of the Constitution to be accorded citizenship rights."

In order to transform people solely into property, you must minimize those qualities that make them human. Literature of the early nineteenth century began to portray "the negro" as a savage in even stronger terms than those that had been used for the Irish two centuries earlier. This was a major transformation in thought about who Africans were. Historian George Fredrickson states explicitly that "before 1830 open assertions of permanent black inferiority were exceedingly rare" (The Black Image in the White Mind, 1987). By mid-century, the ideology of "negro inferiority" dominated both popular and scholarly thought.

Science and the Justification for "Races"

What is so striking about the American experience in creating such an extreme conception of human differences was the role played by scientists and scholars in legitimizing the folk ideas. Scholarly writers began attempting to prove scientifically that "the Negro" was a different and lower kind of human being. The first published materials arguing from a scientific perspective that "negroes" were a separate species from white men appeared in the last decade of the eighteenth century. They argued that Negroes were either a product of degeneration from that first creation, or descendants of a separate creation altogether.

American intellectuals appropriated, and rigidified, the categories of human groups established by European scholars during the eighteenth century, but ignored Blumenbach's caution that human groups blend insensibly into one another, so that it is impossible to place precise boundaries around them.

When Dr. Samuel Morton in the 1830s initiated the field of craniometry, the first school of American anthropology, proponents of race ideology received the most powerful scientific support yet. Measuring the insides of crania collected from many populations, he offered "evidence" that the Negro had a smaller brain than whites, with Indians in-between. Morton is also famous for his involvement in a major scientific controversy over creation.

The very existence of a scientific debate over whether blacks and whites were products of a single creation, or of multiple creations, especially in a society dominated by Biblical explanations, seems anomalous. It indicates that the differences between "races" had been so magnified and exaggerated that popular consciousness had already widely accepted the idea of blacks being a different and inferior species of humans. Justice Taney's decision reflected this, declaring, "the negro is a different order of being." Thus slave-owners' rights to their "property" were upheld in law by appeal to the newly invented identity of peoples from Africa.

Scientists collaborated in confirming popular beliefs, and publications appeared on a regular basis providing the "proof" that comforted the white public. That some social leaders were conscious of their role in giving credibility to the invented myths is manifest in statements such as that found in the Charleston Medical Journal after Dr. Morton's death. It states, "We can only say that we of the South should consider him as our benefactor, for aiding most materially in giving to the negro his true position as an inferior race" (emphasis added). George Gliddon, co-editor of a famous scientific book Types of Mankind, (1854) which argued that Negroes were closer to apes than to humans and ranked all other groups between whites and Negroes, sent a copy of the book to a famous southern politician, saying that he was sure the south would appreciate the powerful support that this book gave for its "peculiar institution" (slavery). Like another famous tome (The Bell Curve, 1995) this was an 800-page book whose first edition sold out immediately; it went through nine other editions before the end of the century. What it said about the inferiority of blacks became widely known, even by those who could not read it.

During discussions in the U.S. Senate on the future of "the negro" after slavery, James Henry Hammond proclaimed in 1858 "somebody has to be the mudsills of society, to do the menial duties, to perform the drudgery of life." Negroes were destined to be the mudsills. This was to be their place, one consciously created for them by a society whose cultural values now made it impossible to assimilate them. In the many decades since the Civil War, white society made giant strides to "keep the negro in his place." Public policies and the customs and practices of millions of Americans expressed this racial worldview throughout the twentieth century.

These are some of the circumstances surrounding the origin of the racial worldview in North America. Race ideology was a mechanism justifying what had already been established as unequal social groups; it was from its inception, and is today, about who should have access to privilege, power, status, and wealth, and who should not. As a useful political ideology for conquerors, it spread into colonial situations around the world. It was promulgated in the latter half of the 19th century by some Europeans against other Europeans and reached its most extreme development in the twentieth century Nazi holocaust.

All anthropologists should understand that "race" has no intrinsic relationship to human biological diversity, that such diversity is a natural product of primarily evolutionary forces while "race" is a social invention.

REFERENCES

Fredrickson, G. M. 1987. The Black Image in the White Mind. Middletown: Wesleyan University Press.

Smedley, A. 1993 (1999). Race in North America: Origin and Evolution of a Worldview. Boulder: Westview Press.

Stepan, Nancy. 1982. The Idea of Race in Science. London: Macmillan.

Audrey Smedley is a professor of anthropology at Virginia Commonwealth University. She is author of the American Anthropological Association's position paper on 'race,' and the new millennial edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica's entry on 'race.'

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Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 11:15 PM
A pleasure to read, Ken.Thanks. Without a formal education, about race or a lot of other things, it sounds right to me, particularly the penultimate paragraph. I wish I could get my head around race and slavery, the connection of the right to preserve property and freedom---and my leftist (and Tea Party's) sense we're all slaves.
Posted By: moses Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/18/16 11:56 PM
Our shackles of slavery are twofold King.
On one side economy & the other is a mind prison of lies.
The chains were broken & the prison gate was thrown open two thousand years ago but many choose slavery over freedom because true freedom is rarely understood.
O.M
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 12:16 AM
If you define Slavery (or Serfdom, in the von Hayek sense) as "Using the Law to force individuals into an involuntary exchange of goods and services" it becomes clear. In the contemporary sense, this is done by government, hence the term "Statist Neoslavery", as opposed to individuals being "owned" by other individuals. When government uses taxation to remove freedom from one individual, then awards it to another individual via a government program, it fits the definition.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 12:36 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....and my leftist (and Tea Party's) sense we're all slaves.

Equivocation like that only works when you and your buddies of privilege are philosophizing. Are you weaseling for reparations? What kind of mileage do you suppose the left would've gotten out of a comment like that from Trump? He'd be on double secret racist probation by now.
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 12:50 AM
Black and yellow, red, and white, we're all precious in His sight. "Jesus love's the little children" One of the first songs I was taught and remember...Geo
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:04 AM
quote: King Brown "Tolerance is key to peace, order and good government. It works."

No! it is not. No, no, a thousand times No!

SRH
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:30 AM
I learned it, too, geo. It came back to me covering civil rights here, there and overseas. Left, idealistic and young, it founded a wild notion in my head that of all humankind blacks must be God's chosen children for not striking back, believing their faith would get them through.

Over time the thought ramped up to a belief that of all the triumphs of your blessed country, its greatest social movement was of those old, bearded black and white reformers and those who followed who, if not believing all were precious in His sight, gave their highest office to a black to give it a try.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:34 AM
Not striking back? You really DO see what you want to see, don't you?

SRH
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:44 AM
Stan, just for you: "Tolerance, respect for others is key to peace, order and good governance, a high standard of living, the top of the happiness index---in Canada."
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:58 AM
America changed with the breakdown of your institutions, Stan. The first symptom of deep social divisions, nearly total dissatisfaction with your governance, culminating in a needed upheaval while odorous to the US and the world.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 02:35 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
America changed with the breakdown of your institutions....The first symptom of deep social divisions, nearly total dissatisfaction with your governance, culminating in a needed upheaval while odorous to the US and the world.

King, I wish we had you around the last few years to vet our current prez. The entire world would truly be a better place, 'cept for france where they're allergic to deodorant.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 03:56 AM
I was vetting him but everyone rightly or wrongly was disagreeing with me!
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 10:27 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Stan, just for you: "Tolerance, respect for others is key to peace, order and good governance, a high standard of living, the top of the happiness index---in Canada."


KB, not just for you. "When the principles that run against your deepest convictions begin to win the day, then the battle is your calling, and peace has become sin. You must at the price of dearest peace lay your convictions bare before friend and enemy with all the fire of your faith." Abraham Kuyper

Thank God our founding fathers did not believe in tolerance in the way you do. We would never have become a nation of our own. For all your great knowledge and ability to write, King, you have never been able to grasp what we are about. James gets it, he shares it. You never will.

SRH
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 01:15 PM
One reason King will never get it is because in his mind he's sitting atop a lofty perch in never-never land looking down on the rest of us.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Stan, just for you: "Tolerance, respect for others is key to peace, order and good governance, a high standard of living, the top of the happiness index---in Canada."


At some point there comes a time for intolerance and it's upon us..
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 02:41 PM
Actually, the founding fathers did, Stan. None, however, were pacifists who believed in peace at any price. Nor do I. But in the entire American continuum there was no unanimity in how to remove inequality where "all men were created equal." Franklin spent better part of his life in London trying to convince the British of equality of Americans. There's Jefferson, Hamilton and Abigail's advice to husband John Adams to "Look after the ladies."

Your reference to my admired countryman James getting it reminded me of a common humanity shared by Canadians and Americans who put friendship before politics on both sides of the longest undefended border in the world. They abjure ignorance that divides and find better fraternal purposes. They recognize communicating with only those who agree with them politically is to live in sterile orbits of their own.

My correspondents here from Deep South to the Left Coast are the same as Canadian conservatives and liberals who brighten daily my sense of community and love. They accept there's no black hats and white hats, one way or the highway, I'm smart you're dumb. They're seekers in a world of not all darkness but shadow, all tribunes according to their ability to shine merciful light. Like Abraham Kuyper said.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 03:21 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....My correspondents here from Deep South to the Left Coast are the same as Canadian conservatives and liberals who brighten daily my sense of community and love. They accept there's no black hats and white hats, one way or the highway, I'm smart you're dumb. They're seekers in a world of not all darkness but shadow, all tribunes according to their ability to shine merciful light....

Ah, visions of gumdrops dance in my head.

Why don't you correspond with any of the shooters down in chicago? They have an extremely high success rate and it looks like a banner year. Just ask dan davis, who represented and crafted the community that his 'normal' grandson used to live in.

If that's the ability for some to shine, I don't think you should be settling for it. If it's in another neighborhood and willfully ignorable, is it racist or righteous to sing kumbaya with an exclusive group of like minded philosophers?
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 03:27 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I was vetting him but everyone rightly or wrongly was disagreeing with me!


The anti-2nd Amendment fraud King Brown was vetting his hero Barack Hussein Obama alright. However, his vetting of Obama was totally dishonest. He told us that Obama was "cerebral and eloquent" and that he would certainly be among the top third of all U.S. Presidents. King flat out lied to us when he said the following, knowing full well that Obama had tried mightily to enact sweeping gun control legislation all throughout his political life, and as president in early 2013 after the Newtown school shootings:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


In my opinion, considering the totality of King Brown's past posts and the large volume of his anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric, if Donald Trump was a Liberal Socialist Democrat and an anti-gunner, King Brown would simply love him... even in spite of his past statements.

If Donald Trump was a Liberal Left Democrat anti-gunner, King Brown would totally ignore everything that he finds to denigrate him about now. We all know that King won't even reply to any post containing references to the huge amount of institutional racism from within the Democrat Party... all of the Ku Klux Klansman Democrat Senators and Legislators... the Democrats refusal to pass the Civil Rights Amendment... Democrats staunch defense of segregation, etc.

We all know how King is all too willing to repeatedly define Trump, Romney, Bush, and most any other Republican as misogynists... while again totally ignoring far more egregious behavior by many Democrats including Bill and Hillary Clinton. He won't acknowledge the fact that it was Republicans who gave women the right to vote either. Would King ever admit that Hillary Clinton paid women who worked for the Clinton Foundation less than men? Not in a million years!

If Donald Trump was a Liberal Left anti-gunner, and especially if he was also black, King would be singing his praises.

In my time here, King Brown has always supported and defended the most extreme Liberal Left anti-gun politicians while finding fault with those who respect our 2nd Amendment Rights. This is why I have formed the opinion that King is a dishonest anti-2nd Amendment fraud, hypocrite, and a Troll who is not worth expending even one breath to debate. King Brown is the poster child for why it is foolish to think that we should embrace all gun owners in one big tent. People like King are no help to us, and they do immense harm to the cause of gun rights.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 04:34 PM
What's wrong with gumdrops, craig? My children and grandchildren have kept Grampy Boy's cranberry-glass bowl filled with them for decades.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 05:32 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
What's wrong with gumdrops, craig? My children and grandchildren have kept Grampy Boy's cranberry-glass bowl filled with them for decades.


Well that settles it then. Obviously, excessive consumption of gumdrops must lead to compulsive lying and hypocrisy, not to mention being anti-2nd Amendment and anti-NRA.
Posted By: Colonial Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 06:31 PM
Kingsley
Please
Go for sainthood.
Stop embarrassing Canada.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 06:50 PM
Originally Posted By: oldstarfire
Kingsley
Please
Go for sainthood....

Ouch, what a kick in the jewels. Now soviet lifetime achievement award might be more like it.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 07:20 PM
C'mon, oldstarfire, we're all our own selves here. The forum wouldn't let me near beatification, let alone sainthood; keith on the phone to the Vatican in 10 minutes. Closest ever got physically to the sublime was interviewing a dear old man of Italian descent from Lincoln, Nebraska, the father of saint Maria Goretti. I was thrilled a few years back to hear her name mentioned while attending an Easter mass in Italian and Latin in Santa Margharita. Ah, sainthood . . .
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 07:33 PM
Already got one, craig, a small enamelled red flag, presented in Moscow in 1966, straight off the lapel of a Soviet film director. To make Ken's day, also a few days after I was born, a tiny sterling silver hammer and sickle necklace from the secretary of the Communist Party of Canada, and the middle name Lenin from my mom and dad. Reckon you'll be honoured similarly by The Tea Party?
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:02 PM
Probably not. But, you should realize, that, for the rest of us, the previous mid term elections and the last one have completely dismantled the democrat party, both at the state and federal levels, and, perhaps more importantly, at the local level.
We have never seen anything like this in our entire lives. Democrats and their party and their ideas are completely gone from the landscape. It is really quite unprecedented.
The honor is right there, and I can think of none higher for me, to live in a country that has completely rejected the corruption, and foolishness of the last president and his hacks.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:19 PM
I'm always fascinated when King pivots. Old Misfire's hands are used to this, whenever his totalitarianism is pummeled into the dust he pivots, becoming the "kinder, gentler" King. Here's quick list of words and terms King used (or referred to) earlier in the thread, before he made himself the target of derision and decided to pivot.

Regression, Punk's Game, Bigot, Mysoginist, Racist, Moron, Punish his Enemies, Ignorance, Poisonous, Vile, Discrimination, Predatory, Boorish, Demeaning, Hatred.

All these wonderful terms were applied to Trump and/or his supporters, as well to other large parts of American society. This, of course, is what King really believes about America, his hatred for our founding principles, and the exercise in freedom that was the last election.

Once a sociopathic, totalitarian Red, always one. His tactic now is to lie and obfuscate. Now is when he's the most contemptible, since he's not being honest.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:20 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Already got one, craig....
....straight off the lapel of a Soviet film director.....

....Reckon you'll be honoured similarly by The Tea Party?

Durn, you make it sound like a war trophy. Deep breath, peace-n-humanity, it's all good, 'cept for Trump. You have me curious though, I'll have to check if the Tea Party has a film dept. This is important, when you dig through that gumdrop jar, don't leave the black ones behind.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:32 PM
There's always a meeting place! The black ones are my favourites, jellybeans, too.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:41 PM
"The black ones are my favourites..."

Mine too.

________________________
Ouzo & Sambuca. (youz guys are a trip)
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 08:59 PM
Sure about Moron? I wouldn't have capitalized it. It was a prohibited word for my children.

I have no hatred of founding principles, more like disappointment of ignorance of them, as if forgetting or not knowing them is a neutral act. Talk of freedom and liberty in early going but talk of representation, parties was their any?

While Americans themselves are not that all approving of the new president, they finally rebelled against what I always advocated here: stop voting against your interests in a punk's game.

Finally disgusted by political manipulation and unrelenting kicking by elites, pushed down to widen the inequality gap and please the five per cent, they finally stormed the barricades for freedom.

I rejoice in it. It's messy. Birthing as an "exercise in freedom" is always a messy thing.



Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/19/16 09:58 PM
King? Does Giant Tiger carry Humbugs? Cant find em anywhere
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 12:12 AM
No Giant Tigers around here but see humbugs everywhere.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 12:21 AM
Corruption is endemic of all systems, as it will be with the new one. Christ himself couldn't change it. The pieces of silver. Dismantling the party is the best thing that could have happened in place of more of the same.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 04:25 AM
"...when King pivots."

Pivot, maneuverability, change of tempo. OODA 101. From his last few posts it seems he's pro Trump now. One slippery commie for sure.

______________________________
Uff, marone, the Leafs lost.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 11:49 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Corruption is endemic of all systems, as it will be with the new one. Christ himself couldn't change it. The pieces of silver. Dismantling the party is the best thing that could have happened in place of more of the same.


I know this is fruitless, but can't let that error go. If you had said that Christ didn't change it, rather than couldn't, I'd have kept quiet.

Christ COULD have changed it. By His spoken word the universe was created out of nothing. He is omnipotent. The obvious reply is .......... well, why didn't He? That answer is easy, but easily overlooked. It's because when He created man in His own image He gave us free will. We are allowed to make choices that have consequences. Yes, corruption IS endemic to all systems, because it is endemic to the human race. When Adam and Eve committed the first sin of humans, sin became a part of our nature. We don't have to be corrupt, it's just so easy for us to.

SRH
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 04:23 PM
It may be an error. It is expression of my opinion of uncertainty and fear visited upon the world: leader of western democracy turned upside-down, its two parties demolished or set adrift from their strong moorings, looming frustration from the impossibility of one man independently removing greed and hatred to improve the lives of all Americans.

Christ's mission was to make us our brother's keeper, to love, to set aside differences, follow the commandments and golden rule. For all that, we may not have had his example---or Christianity itself--- if it hadn't been for his betrayer, his execution and his promises.

The same people who gave the world Obama gave the world Trump. Americans may forget or don't know the extent of which the world is wrapped in America's destiny or why Canadians participate vigorously on its deliberations on this forum. My point is our human frailties are the same as those Christ railed against two thousand years ago..

Rightly or wrongly, justified or otherwise, on the evidence the "global village"---coined by Canadian Marshall McLuhan, I believe---is rent more by divisions of our free will than in Christ's time, descending lower and lower in human values. You're patient, Stan. I seek better in my lifetime. Hence, the "couldn't"---not to denigrate any one or any creed.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 05:05 PM
More totalitarian "smiley face pap". The only thing that has happened is the defeat of creeping tyranny, as American has finally rejected the incremental sociopathic, statism of the Democrat Party, and is again turning back towards the philosophy of it's founding.
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 05:14 PM
Pivot is one member's word, lonesome. No word or opinion can neatly encapsulate of what we feel about anything. But Ken's right. There's a change of tempo from shock to more now of rebalancing---like when we go in the ditch or do something stupid, we check for blood, accept and act rationally.

My opinion of Trump hasn't changed. I don't recall any forum member supporting his arrival in terms of his admirable human qualities. My first reaction was of a person who admired Americans for their achievements, aspirations and generosity acquiring a vulgarian as president.

Shock from a palpable American majority's embarrassment---checking for blood---changed to a rebalancing by thinking you can't have it both ways, King: repugnance for the man on the one hand and your hope on the other of Americans finally getting it right and voting in their best interests.

The UNITED States---90 per cent of each side voting along racial lines---now has its man on a white horse. I've been an admirer of the US for so long getting it right over time that it can no longer have anything less than my best wishes and blessings, taking no comfort Trump admires and anticipates good dealings with the Communist dictator in Moscow.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 05:18 PM
""Smiley face pap""

I was just going to say "load of crap".

Rome burns and Sunny Boy is down in Cuba peddling bug infested pulp wood to Raul. Doesn't sound like a global leader and powerhouse to me.

________________________________
Stuff does go on outside the US, just not in Canada.
Posted By: canvasback Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 05:22 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads

________________________________
Stuff does go on outside the US, just not in Canada.


You got that right!
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 05:29 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
The same people who gave the world Obama gave the world Trump. Americans may forget or don't know the extent of which the world is wrapped in America's destiny or why Canadians participate vigorously on its deliberations on this forum.


No, it wasn't the same people who gave the world Obama that now gave the world Donald Trump. Not even close.

The people who brought Obama to power were first, wealthy Liberal Left backers who brought an extreme Left politician from Chicago who had really done nothing in his single term as a U.S. Senator, or never created a single job, to run for President. It was Liberal Left loons with the same mindset as King Brown who supported him and voted for him. And it was those on the government dole who wished to keep the gravy train running. And it was also almost 100% of the black voters... who voted for a man based upon the color of his skin rather than the content of his character... that put him over the top.

Those are not the disaffected and seriously pissed off Trump voters who have been disgusted with the way this country is being turned by people who have no respect or regard for the principles that built it and made it a global such a global power that certain Liberal Left Canadians like King Brown feel they must meddle in its' politics to advance their Leftist Socialist agenda.

EDIT: Note that King is suddenly concerned about Trump's open and honest hope to have good relations with Russia. Contrast that with King's complete silence on the hot mike gaff where Obama was caught on tape assuring a Russian Diplomat the he could be "more flexible with Putin after the (2012) election." King calls Trump a vulgarian, never stopping to consider the low vulgarity of the lies and bullshit he spreads here.

Posted By: James M Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 06:06 PM
I haven't bothered posting in this area to any great extent because it's OMO a waste of time. You can't carry on an intelligent discourse with Libtard morons who will never admit they are wrong.
And my disgust with their behavior since election night is as high as it's ever been. An incoming President has traditionally be given 100 days AFTER he takes office to sort a complex and new situation out without criticism. Donald Trump hasn't been given 100 minutes since his victory was announced.
Trump was elected because the majority of responsible Americans, many of whom remained silent regarding their support, decided enough was enough with Obama's experiment with socialism and we needed to return to sensible government. Even the illegal voting encouraged by the criminal currently occupying the White House didn't alter the results. And If the unlawful behavior on the part of Libtards and paid Soros agitators continues there will be consequences and ones the left won't like.
Jim
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 06:38 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....I don't recall any forum member supporting his arrival in terms of his admirable human qualities....

....The UNITED States---90 per cent of each side voting along racial lines---now has its man on a white horse....

Hey King, which one of the two two comments looks like one of the most racist comments I've ever seen around these parts? You always came across as a roll up your sleeves fellow not a pouter and food thrower. I seem to remember that there was a distinct agenda to hype perceived 'bad' news about Trump on the trail, and no desire to discuss what 'admirable' means. The President elect won on the tiniest of campaign budgets, got very luke warm party support, redefined 'ground game', and kept lobbyist money away. He threaded an amazing balance between 24/7 advertising and being a forgotten early exit sixteener.

Okay, I guess the other comment was the racist one. What has Canada done for blacks, lip service or elevate to high office. In case you hadn't noticed, bo didn't run this time around. The gal that lost probably hasn't jumped on a horse, white of course, in quite a bit. If the dems knew they'd get a race line vote, why run the old white gal and not the distinguished 'gentleman' of color, sanders? No fair sprinkling in gratuitous mention of low level brown skinned dupes.

No, I think there were actual issues at stake. Heck, putin's clearly driven by high octane testosterone, hill could'a bat her eyelashes and led him around like a puppy, eh.
Posted By: keith Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 06:43 PM
Here's a link to an interesting Blog page that illustrates how and why Trump got elected. This is from 2010. The pressure cooker which was simmering has finally and predictably exploded. It's not surprising that King Brown, the Muse of Nova Scotia, couldn't see it coming when his mind simply chooses to totally shut out anything that doesn't fit his insane world view, which incidentally includes blind allegiance to anti-2nd Amendment Democrat politicians:

https://thefreedomimages.wordpress.com/
Posted By: James M Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 07:26 PM
And here's an example of what I was referring to in my last post. And Libtards wonder why responsible Americans want nothing to do with them. I guess their behavior was set at the top with multiple reports regarding Clinton being very drunk and abusive on election night and having to be physically restrained when it was apparent she would lose.
Jim

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/electoral-college-voters-deluged-with-death-threats/
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 07:33 PM
Where's the evidence of what you say, Ken? A minority racially split vote eviscerated Washington as a pox on all its houses for not representing its interests so it could start all over again with a representative government.

Your own words negate and remove possibility of defeating any measure of tyranny by blaming one party for the widely acknowledged manipulation. The country's recorded desire before the election was to rid itself of all the rascals.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 08:04 PM
The concept of a "racially split vote" is irrelevant considering there is no such thing as "Race". What has happened, due to the Democrat control of the educational system, is the creation of a subculture. This subculture has been indoctrinated to believe it is oppressed, and therefore morally entitled to the freedom of their fellow Americans. All according to the sociopathic, subjective morality of Soviet created Black Liberation Theology. The most significant aspect of this religious belief is that it totally disregards the American concept of individual freedom and equality, and instead substitutes Soviet collectivism for its rationalization. What this does is enable the collective to avoid any intellectually objective analysis of their religious subculture, which would mean that individuals would be judged by the Content of their Character, rather than by the Color of their Skin. Since the whole point of the creation of this subculture is to bind it politically to the Democrat Party, they will always attempt to perpetuate it. Now you know why the idea of a Colorblind Society has been demonized, it doesn't serve the statist interests of the Democrats.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 10:24 PM
WHEW! Glad we got THAT cleared up...
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/20/16 11:15 PM
Me, too.
Posted By: craigd Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/21/16 01:58 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Me, too.

Are you poking fun at the influence of feeding our kids a steady diet of progressive pc?

What's your thought on the various ways that colleges and universities across the US have 'helped' their students cope with the Trump election victory? I'd particularly like to know how using 'educational' funds, often from state tax payers, can be justified expenses for; playdough, coloring books, legos, comfort puppies, miniature ponies and of course cry rooms?

These kids were ten or twelve years old when bo took office. Immediately, inserts were printed up that fall for sticking in publicly funded text books, and by that January, history was rewritten with text books all about pc on steroids.

Again, specifically, what would make anyone think these kids need comfort animals, infantile toys and cry rooms? What would make kids in higher education seek out and actually use these types of entitlements?

Is this 'our' future?
Posted By: King Brown Re: TRUMP WINS! - 11/21/16 04:48 AM
All in the past, craig. The US now has a party of the people to end the tyranny, if not the first day or the first month it's beginning of the end of all that pc, worries about guns and the Second, getting that 35 per cent tax cut and spending on the wastrels. Rejoice. Anyone beating on the bad days is a troll!
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 02:46 PM
We should start a list of things trump said he would do and did not.....AND a list of things he said he would do, and did?

I'll start

Said he would do, but did not do:
1) charge hillary and put her in jail- NOPE. He just announced he will not. not even an investigation.
2) The 'wall' will be a fence, he admits. hope he starts that one at least.
3)?


Things he said he would do, and did:
1) said he will tweet....and does.
2)


IN THIS WAY WE CAN ALL SEE HOW GOOD, OR BAD, HIS PRESIDENCY IS GOING. PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 02:52 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
We should start a list of things trump said he would do and did not.....AND a list of things he said he would do, and did?

I'll start

Said he would do, but did not do:
1) charge hillary and put her in jail- NOPE. He just announced he will not. not even an investigation.
2) The 'wall' will be a fence, he admits. hope he starts that one at least.
3)?


Things he said he would do, and did:
1)?


IN THIS WAY WE CAN ALL SEE HOW GOOD, OR BADu, HIS PRESIDENCY IS GOING. PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.


Not a bad idea. But, we need a "Control" to be set initially. Why don't we analyze Obama first? Let's list all his campaign issues, then compare them to what he actually did. This would be "fair". Dal, why don't you start things off.
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 02:58 PM
He said he'd still Tweet. And does.
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 03:05 PM
F obama. he's been there and done that....or nothing. Do you really want to compare trumps presidency to obama's???? Opinions are already set on that one.

Compare trump words to trump action. HOW CAN THAT BE A BAD THING? Unless no one here has the ability to be objective.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 04:03 PM
I would say that roughly half of the country failed to be Objective during the last eight years. Many are still not.

The first 100 days will tell the tale. At this time, attempts to say Trump has gone back on promises before he's even taken office is not realistic, but it is predictable in its attempts to Demonize.

Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 04:31 PM
Miss negative nancy Ken!!! why is your glass always half full? This should prove that trump IS different and WILL be way better than most??

I hope trump is the best prez america ever has.....believe it or not.

Funny how his supporters leave his side so quickly. I'm sure 'IF' he fails to deliver....one could always compare him to the worst of the bunch, and say well....he lied less than the rest.

Lets hope his DID list becomes bigger then his failed to do list. Otherwise....we were all fooled.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 04:58 PM
Hard to say where the electorate was on the bookend Republican "wins" of hanging chads and the court in Florida and a minority in the second, with clear majorities in the middle and the president with higher approval rating than the president-elect during the election.

A good omen is the president calling for cooperation with the new administration during post-election talk of fighting it at every turn, and the absence of whining from the losing side about voting irregularities which accompanied the previous two.

Rid yourself of notions of politicians keeping promises. They never do.




Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 05:08 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
....I hope trump is the best prez america ever has.....believe it or not....

....Lets hope his DID list becomes bigger then his failed to do list. Otherwise....we were all fooled.

I don't believe you.

What makes you think you would like his 'did' list. Aren't they just going to be punchlines for racism, misogyny, class warfare and climate change talking points? He probably did number two this morning, but you're failing to see the quality of his Presidential transition leadership.

Number one accomplishment, he's already marginalized the fellow that is supposed to be so popular, according to the same polls that said hill would win. He's not marginalizing the person, but bringing sharp policy differences into the limelight.

So far, he has failed to fall on his face. How long before the righteous, thoughtful, contemplative bo goes on the party line attack, a few days, a week or two? Yup, happy holidays.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 05:16 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
....A good omen is the president calling for cooperation with the new administration during post-election talk of fighting it at every turn, and the absence of whining from the losing side about voting irregularities which accompanied the previous two....

The lack-o-whining is two fold. First, a crushing defeat, regardless of the 'minority' vote mantra. And, a concern by the army of lawyers tasked to whine, for the infirm tyrant, weren't going to be paid for their services. That's a bad omen for the state of the losing party and the true chaos they might want to work through.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 05:25 PM
Obama's back-to-back wins weren't crushing defeats?
Posted By: Flintfan Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 06:32 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Obama's back-to-back wins weren't crushing defeats?


No, for a few reasons. The 2008 was a large loss for Republicans, having also lost control of the house and Senate on a national level. The historical aspect of running against the first African American candidate was an almost impossible hurdle.

Obama won again in 2012, against a poor candidate (a la Clinton for the Democrats in 2016) but it was tempered victory.

Since 2010 Democrats have lost over 900 seats at both the state and Federal levels. After the 2016 elections Republicans control 33 governorships, along with both houses in 32 states. Democrats have that type of majority in only 5 states. Those are astonishing numbers.

There has been an overwhelming Republican takeover happening nationwide since 2010 at both the state and Federal levels. The country is decidedly shifting directions, and it is not to the left.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 06:58 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Obama's back-to-back wins weren't crushing defeats?

They were to me. Heck, I even built a combo cry room and survival bunker, complete with colander head gear and high capacity coloring books.

Back up a few comments and reread what your buddy dal thinks of the crusher. F ooper dooper, eh?
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 07:15 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
Miss negative nancy Ken!!! why is your glass always half full? This should prove that trump IS different and WILL be way better than most??

I hope trump is the best prez america ever has.....believe it or not.

Funny how his supporters leave his side so quickly. I'm sure 'IF' he fails to deliver....one could always compare him to the worst of the bunch, and say well....he lied less than the rest.

Lets hope his DID list becomes bigger then his failed to do list. Otherwise....we were all fooled.





DAL, don't we all HOPE that the person we support and who gets elected will do what they say? Are Trump's supporters any different? Shouldn't we abandon him if he fails to deliver in a significant way on his promises?

I would posit that it is incredible to me that despite the amazing lack of follow-through on the raised expectations of Obama 2008, that ALL of his supporters didn't abandon him. Why stick with a liar? Why stick with someone ineffectual?

I'm happy to say my guy won this time. But if he doesn't follow through, I'll kick him to the curb as fast as I did Obama. It shouldn't be any other way.

Unless.......you are more interested in cults of personality (or of gender/race) than actual good government.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 07:22 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Hard to say where the electorate was on the bookend Republican "wins" of hanging chads and the court in Florida and a minority in the second, with clear majorities in the middle and the president with higher approval rating than the president-elect during the election.

A good omen is the president calling for cooperation with the new administration during post-election talk of fighting it at every turn, and the absence of whining from the losing side about voting irregularities which accompanied the previous two.

Rid yourself of notions of politicians keeping promises. They never do.



Let see.....the sore loser Democrats are STILL whining about 2000 (actually examined and ruled on by the courts, in accordance with the US Constitution) and yet, as a young man developing an interest in politics, I really had to dig to get the low down of the actual theft of a presidential election by Joe Kennedy and his mobbed up buddies in Chicago, including Mayor Daley.

No Kennedy....no Johnson. In their stead, one of the most accomplished and forward thinking Presidents 8 years sooner. Oh how history might now differ.

I have no real complaints about Kennedy, except the methods that got him to the White House. But Johnson was as catastrophically as bad for the US in the long run as PET was for Canada.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 08:49 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
We should start a list of things trump said he would do and did not.....AND a list of things he said he would do, and did?

I'll start

Said he would do, but did not do:
1) charge hillary and put her in jail- NOPE. He just announced he will not. not even an investigation.
2) The 'wall' will be a fence, he admits. hope he starts that one at least.
3)?


Things he said he would do, and did:
1) said he will tweet....and does.
2)


IN THIS WAY WE CAN ALL SEE HOW GOOD, OR BAD, HIS PRESIDENCY IS GOING. PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.



Well, he can't do or NOT do anything yet because he's not in office. Take it easy dal.

He'll appoint an Attorney General and after that he has little influence over what direction an investigation will take. The current President politicized the AG office much to its detriment.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 09:21 PM
He said a lot of contradictory things today....
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 09:50 PM
Sorry fellas, I was just trying to get an account of kept and broken promises. But I guess it is way above the nonobjective heads of some here. Should have known it would be twisted somehow on how bad Obama was, libertards, and ANYTHING OTHER than how successful trump is, or is not, as the president, rather than how great he is doing.

I'm sure this post WILL be construed, somehow, on how I hope trump fails, bla, bla, bla.

This is your Que to pile on guys.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 09:55 PM
Getting a little emotional about a guy who has yet to take office? It's tough to be objective about someone who hasn't done anything yet. Until something becomes Poilcy, it's irrelevant.

Yes, dal, everyone understands what you're doing.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:03 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
Sorry fellas, I was just trying to get an account of kept and broken promises. But I guess it is way above the nonobjective heads of some here. Should have known it would be twisted somehow on how bad Obama was, libertards, and ANYTHING OTHER than how successful trump is, or is not, as the president, rather than how great he is doing.

I'm sure this post WILL be construed, somehow, on how I hope trump fails, bla, bla, bla.

This is your Que to pile on guys.





Jeez DAL, I responded directly to you and offered up what I thought was a rational response to your obvious attempt at baiting, where you could have then engaged in a serious discussion. Instead, you insult and dismiss. Hmmm.

Is this now an example of piling on because you said we could?
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:11 PM
CB- I guess you have also been brainwashed to think that anyone that questions anything that is republican, even though they are not a lefty = 'response to your obvious attempt at baiting'.

You disappoint me, that you also cannot be objective. Not that you care.

Sorry again for trying to keep track on how good trump is.

So....what ever.
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:19 PM
So america has a president that campaigned on exactly the opposite of the typical political rhetoric, political correctness, et al and one is nothing but 'baiting' when trying to see how much of what he said....and what people voted on....comes to fruition.

Unbelievable.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:36 PM
I think there is nothing wrong with keeping track...Even to the extent of the "100 days" list...How does the latest one compare to the last one?
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:37 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
....Should have known it would be twisted somehow....and ANYTHING OTHER than how successful trump is, or is not, as the president....

....I'm sure this post WILL be construed, somehow, on how I hope trump fails, bla, bla, bla.

This is your Que to pile on guys.

I think it's been mentioned before, but Trump may not quite be the President. In the US, I think you can search it up, there is only one President at a time. There are exceptions. When President Bush was elected to his first term, gore was a shadow president, thought by many to be a guru of sorts.

There was also a period after President Bush's two terms that the US did not have a president. Odd thing is, when there was no prez over the last eight years, the failure list has been spectacular, but I digress. You are correct, a real President will be taking over in January. In the mean time, isn't the way he's working the media absolutely fascinating?
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:41 PM
First DAL, you haven't been here long enough to know what I think and don't think and whether to make the judgement that I move in lock-step with "Republicans" on this site. Let me assure you, I don't. And I've taken the verbal abuse here to prove it if you care to research.

You know the old saying about making assumptions.

Second, you were baiting and you know it. Talk about not being objective. At least be honest with yourself.

Thirdly, if you truly wanted to "track" Trump's performance for an objective measure, as a few others have pointed out, don't you think we should wait until he is actually legally allowed to call himself President and have, you know, the power to do stuff? Then see what he does?

Seems to me everyone's who is anti Trump is running around making predictions and the last time the same people did that (earlier this month) they were incredibly wrong. The same folks got Brexit wrong too. The hubris that allows them to believe they have it right this time is incredible.

I have concerns about what Trump will actually do.

I had concerns about what Harper would do and was significantly disappointed by his turn at the wheel. I actually hoped that, in 2008, although I could not support Obama on the basis of a track record and resume so thin as to be non existent, he might surprise me and have a successful presidency. I wished him well. Sadly I was disappointed by a very ineffectual man with very ineffectual policies.

Going back to my initial response....don't you think we all will track his performance? Don't you think we should all shit on him if he turns out to be a do nothing president? I mean....what's your point?
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:42 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
I think there is nothing wrong with keeping track...Even to the extent of the "100 days" list...How does the latest one compare to the last one?


That's a little more "realistic" thing to track. As well all know, including DAL.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:44 PM
Originally Posted By: dal
So america has a president that campaigned on exactly the opposite of the typical political rhetoric, political correctness, et al and one is nothing but 'baiting' when trying to see how much of what he said....and what people voted on....comes to fruition.

Unbelievable.


I mean....his four years hasn't even started! Unbelievable!
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 10:55 PM
LD, if you mean the last one, being obama, with all respect, personally I dont care to compare. He's gone, and whomever writes history will tell the tail.

Hopefully Trump does well....and some Canadian right winger politician will take some pointers (other than the name calling and general negative campaigning), and rise up to run against the liberals with a common sense philosophy.

If he doesn't...every career politician will go- Whew....status quo rules.

Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 11:10 PM
Originally Posted By: dal


Hopefully Trump does well....and some Canadian right winger politician will take some pointers (other than the name calling and general negative campaigning), and rise up to run against the liberals with a common sense philosophy.

If he doesn't...every career politician will go- Whew....status quo rules.



This I agree with, although I think part of Trump's appeal was the name calling. In the sense of demonstrating with clarity and vigour that he was not a typical politician and not governed by the rules of Washington or polite society. It gave him the credibility he needed.
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 11:18 PM
I was much impressed with his speech after the win. Never thought a businessman could act in the boardroom, like he did while campaigning. I have hope that he and his advisers can get much done.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 11:41 PM
Sorry, I had to add.....no one held a candle to the negative campaigning done by the left, including the Democratic Party in all it's permutations along with the media and celebrity types to discredit Trump and denigrate his supporters.

To suggest that somehow Trump campaigned negatively and the other side didn't, or held back, is to view events through blinders of partisanship. NO presidential candidate has ever been scrutinized and denigrated the way Trump was. The press hate him and the Dems fanned those flames.
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 11:54 PM
'To suggest that somehow Trump campaigned negatively and the other side didn't...'

To insinuate....if anyone is....just because it was not mentioned that the hillary campaign was ALSO nothing but negative, and an embarrassment to politics, because it was not mentioned here...is quite presumptuous.

ALL could see how embarrassing the campaigning must have been for the U.S....by both sides.

Nonetheless....here it is....hillary's campaign was also quite distasteful. An even downhill slide by both parties.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/22/16 11:54 PM
No, DAL I did not mean to compare anything with the outgoer did,. Maybe you should read what I wrote again? I think it would be interesting to see how these lists change as time progresses...
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 12:37 AM
How about the positive things that are happening because of Trump, that he never promised? Like today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed above 19,000 for the first time in history. But, hey, maybe the confidence being displayed is because of so much faith in what Obama is going to do to jump start the economy in his last few days in office. Yeah, that must be it.

SRH
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 12:59 AM
Agreed LD.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 01:19 AM
Originally Posted By: dal
....ALL could see how embarrassing the campaigning must have been for the U.S....by both sides....

If so dal, all you see was your blinders. Consider being objective.
Posted By: dal Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 01:41 AM
Huh? Explain please.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 02:00 AM
Issues dal, it was all about the issues. Emotion drove the perceived embarrassment, issues brought some voters in, kept some voters home. Just because you thought hillery was an embarrassment, doesn't mean she didn't give it a good try. How many folks would stand up at a podium and say, I've been hanging around dc for thirty years and now it's my turn because of my gender. It worked for me.
Posted By: Grouse Guy Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 03:04 AM
Trump said he'd appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary. Now he says he won't even try to lock her up. WTF? Maybe the chant should have been "Let her off... let her off!!!"
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 03:34 AM
Ease up, lads. He couldn't do anything else after saying he'd use his office to punish his opponent, for which he doesn't have authority. And he's waiting on the yes-or-no of the only person acceptable to the party as secretary of state. Romney can hardly say no as a citizen-patriot although he's told the world what he thinks of Trump. Reminds of my man John Boehner loosened from the speaker's chair by his own party because he tried to negotiate differences with Obama. Have mercy!
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 04:38 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ease up, lads. He couldn't do anything else after saying he'd use his office to punish his opponent, for which he doesn't have authority....

....my man John Boehner loosened from the speaker's chair by his own party because he tried to negotiate differences with Obama. Have mercy!

You might take a look at which agencies fall under the exec branch, and the examples bo gave us before a blanket statement about authority. Then again, she's using the infamous tax shelter, Canada, to skirt non profit accountability.

I would think the only 'reasonable' thing for him to do is have a phone meeting with bo and hill. If the infirm tyrant agrees to slither out of politics and shut down the 'foundation', then bo should use his 'authority' to fast track some allegations against the foundation. Then bo could pardon her for broadcasting state secrets to the world and make the pay to play go away.

If hill wants to keep the 'foundation', then she'll be fair game long after bo will be able to bail her tail out. If she wants to go on the left wing rant tour, for a reduced fee, then she'll be fair game, as well as bill and chelsie who feel entitled to play in politics.

By the way, your man johnny b. was shown the door because he had an insincere tendency to display the occasional gratuitous waterworks show. A practice that would've been tolerated if he got 'er done at the job he was being paid to do. Bet'ya twenty bucks, US please, that Michelle has formed an exploratory committee, just as hill did when bill was released from his wh chains to recreate with his pedophile buddy.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 04:57 AM
I'll take that bet. I'd like to see it just to watch Warren lose her sh!t.

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He might have been with her, but Buffett has made over 11 billion since the election. I'd settle for half that in cash.
Posted By: keith Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 07:54 AM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
I'll take that bet. I'd like to see it just to watch Warren lose her sh!t.


Well, we had the first black President, Bill Clinton, and then we had the first Gay black president, Barack Hussein Obama... so why not try for the first transgender black president?



I'll bet King would denounce his Canadian citizenship and become a U.S. citizen just to vote for that one... multiple times... even if he was dead.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 02:33 PM
I'd cry, too, if I lived in a country that didn't know how to lose in regularly scheduled tests of its democratic governance, lowering the bar so low to offer a disgusted electorate the two most unpopular candidates in its history.

Boehner was "my man" for trying to make the republic's dysfunctional system work as the founders intended by re-writing over many years. The GOP vowed to oppose everything Obama proposed before he was sworn in; Obama's plea to the party was the opposite at his last press conference.

Until Americans learn to lose--- and win---respecting each other and their institutions they will remain a great country tearing itself to pieces, a collective "party of the people" a distant memory. On a personal note, James and I are Canadians of differing sides who know how to lose. I lose more often!
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 04:59 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I'd cry, too, if I lived in a country that didn't know how to lose in regularly scheduled tests of its democratic governance, lowering the bar so low to offer a disgusted electorate the two most unpopular candidates in its history.

Boehner was "my man" for trying to make the republic's dysfunctional system work as the founders intended by re-writing over many years. The GOP vowed to oppose everything Obama proposed before he was sworn in; Obama's pleaito the party was the opposite at his last press conference.

Until Americans learn to lose--- and win---respecting each other and their institutions they will remain a great country tearing itself to pieces, a collective "party of the people" a distant memory. On a personal note, James and I are Canadians of differing sides who know how to lose. I lose more often!



The sociopathic degree of your ignorant pomposity is really hilarious. Your generalizations, according to the subjective morality of your commie philosophy are only valid to your fellow anti-American, statist, religious nuttjobs.

As usual, you ignore the objective reality of the situation. On one hand, we had a candidate that promised perpetuating the statist agenda of economic destruction and loss of freedom, a fact of the last eight years.

The other candidate promised change and relief from the statist policies of the past, but who was relentlessly psychopolitically demonized on a personal level. Just like any Republican would have been. Obviously only the dupes, minions, and useful idiots bought into that one.

Now, as expected, you continue to parrot the psychopolitical narrative, despite it being de facto disproven by the election results.

You are irrelevant, as are references to your country, and are becoming pathetically more so with each passing day.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 05:14 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I'd cry, too, if I lived in a country that didn't know how to lose in regularly scheduled tests of its democratic governance, lowering the bar so low to offer a disgusted electorate the two most unpopular candidates in its history....

....Until Americans learn to lose--- and win---respecting each other and their institutions they will remain a great country tearing itself to pieces....

Mop up those tears. Common ground yet again, you don't live here. Just kidding, we'll get a list of places you can vote anyway. You let your feelings run away with you because of the polls that lets you down. In truth, there was really only one most unpopular candidate in history.

The country completely understood hill. She said it herself, well parroted michelle, 'when I go low, give me a minute, I'll go lower'. She's really stepped it up eh, in the last couple of weeks.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 05:38 PM
A person so partisan to say the vote is the end of Washington's "tyranny," to believe the US will be mended by more of the selfishness posted here, is about to learn the limits of power, "the objective reality" of the conversation.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 05:45 PM
King? I hope you are not doing Thanksgiving at Tim Hortons..Have a good holiday!
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 05:53 PM
I've broadcast here my opinion of Clinton and Trump, amassing hundreds of millions because they're Clinton and Trump. Their quotes are embarrassments to themselves, their parties, their country and the world. Get over it. Tit-for-tat is childish. Sandboxes are for play or excretions. Your vote was to rid yourselves of lousy representation. Get on with it, as most other countries do.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 06:00 PM
No trout at Tim's. Fishing for wild brook trout on open-year-round, 10 daily limit, virgin Cape Breton Island of Nova Scotia.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 06:01 PM
Craig, " the most unpopular candidate in history" got 2 million more votes than Trump. I can easily understand someone not liking Hillary Clinton, but it's hard to grasp why anyone would consider Trump's election a resounding mandate for anything. The guy got in by the skin of his teeth. It will be most interesting to see how we all fare a few months down the road. I hope for the best but fear for the worst.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 06:16 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
A person so partisan to say the vote is the end of Washington's "tyranny," to believe the US will be mended by more of the selfishness posted here, is about to learn the limits of power, "the objective reality" of the conversation.

King, it doesn't look like you're 'getting over it'.

If Trump builds a hundred more towers over the next four years, and pulls a random name out of the basket of deplorables, he'll make a better selection than the divisive purpose driven legislative ideolog that hill would'a force fed us on the 'new' 5-4 Supreme court.

It's weird huh, a conservative court will generally limit its power, hill said she wanted one that would progress into a new world. But hey, the high court served up ocare on a platter, a glorious thing the left would rather forget. Don't forget what Ken mentioned, the high court ruled it was a 'tax', didn't they?

Time to move on, eh? Shellfish have to be brought up again and again, it's only any good when it's fresh. Are you looking towards the future, or concerned about the 'legacy'. Step back, take a breath, bo'll get a moderate sprinkling of gratuitous kudos. Well since he didn't teach 'em to read, it'll take the form of stick figure illustrations on social media.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 06:28 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, " the most unpopular candidate in history" got 2 million more votes than Trump. I can easily understand someone not liking Hillary Clinton, but it's hard to grasp why anyone would consider Trump's election a resounding mandate for anything. The guy got in by the skin of his teeth. It will be most interesting to see how we all fare a few months down the road. I hope for the best but fear for the worst.

Of anyone here Bill, you would seem to be the last person who would want a more populous state like kali telling folks in Montana what to do. Do you want their hunting regs dictating if you can access your favorite spots?

Since you're fearing for the worst, you're willing to speculate. What do you think would happen if all of western and upstate New York or Northern California was put into play. You honestly don't believe Trump would have recognized the numbers and spent time in the areas were folks give up and don't bother to vote?

You do understand that as a courtesy, the election reporters will wait till the second that kali polls close. Then, they immediately call the state for the dem and had them 55 electoral votes. Is that 'fair' to spot the dem 20% of the vote that they need, just for having a pulse. I bet there's a ton of Californians who would beg to differ if they thought it mattered.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:06 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
A person so partisan to say the vote is the end of Washington's "tyranny," to believe the US will be mended by more of the selfishness posted here, is about to learn the limits of power, "the objective reality" of the conversation.


Once more, typical statist, sociopathic religious dogma. To characterize those who vote against collectivist tyranny and the incremental movement toward totalitarianism as "selfish" is anti-intellectual boobery to the extreme. To have a crackpot of a sociopath Red, not even a citizen of America, continually insult, demonize, and demean Americans when they exercise a desire to limit their government is contemptible, though predictable.

Well Sralin, "ya'all can just go an' fudge yourself".
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:17 PM
Craig, as often happens, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. It seems you're saying we benefit from having the Electoral College replace the will of the people. I don't believe that for a moment. And, my objection has nothing to do with this election. There is simply no longer any justification for not deciding all elections on the basis of a vote tally. If there were no Electoral College, how would that lead to Californians deciding where I can hunt? Slow down; take a deep breath. Your skipping too many steps for folks to follow.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:33 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, " the most unpopular candidate in history" got 2 million more votes than Trump. I can easily understand someone not liking Hillary Clinton, but it's hard to grasp why anyone would consider Trump's election a resounding mandate for anything. The guy got in by the skin of his teeth. It will be most interesting to see how we all fare a few months down the road. I hope for the best but fear for the worst.


Bill, It's called the tyranny of the majority and the electoral college exists to mitigate that tyranny.

It goes both ways.....every time it's close, it's possible the vote count will or won't go your way. Had Trump won the popular and Hills the College, pretty sure you guys would be defending the Electoral College about now. And you are correct, it was close.

I think the predictions of the demise of the Dems and their socialist philosophy of late, stem more from the Republican strength at the state levels in this election cycle along with the opportunity Trump will have in nominating Supreme Court Justices during his term. It's not so much about either the popular vote count or the electoral college.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:38 PM
I'm well over the shock, craig, and accept it with equanimity because, as I've said often here, America for all its hubris and aberrations always get it right over time. Trump is learning his limits and mollifying the Tea Party.

We'll wait for determination of legacies. Obama has a leg up by removing US pariah status from the world, a significant achievement in itself, and was no part of the country's embarrassment and humiliation in electing his successor.

Inheriting two wars and a world recession largely of US making, faced with a dysfunctional government pledged to stop his every move, he introduced as first black president the beginning of universal healthcare.

The Obama family in the White House showed the world what America really is, a country of toleration and respect for others moving on to lift the burden of once the world's biggest slaveowner. With luck it will see the opportunities of cooperation instead of cutting each others' throats.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:49 PM


The Obama administration has been marred by debt, scandals, foreign policy failures, and an overall fragmentation of this country. He has plunged the United States into an abyss of economic debt that will create generations of American servitude paying off his wayward spending endeavors. The Red, White and Blue’s epitaph will read like a litany of failures perpetrated on both the American people and the world by this president:
Scandals:

IRS targets Obama’s enemies
Benghazi
Spying on the AP
The ATF “Fast and Furious” scheme
Sebelius demands payment
The Pigford Agriculture Department Scandal

The General Services Administration Las Vegas Spending Spree.
Veterans Affairs in Disney World and neglecting vets
Solyndra
New Black Panthers Voter Intimidation
The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer
Obama’s LIES about the Affordable Care Act

“I’ll Pass My Own Laws”
NSA Spying on American People

Foreign Policy

Lack of solidarity with Israel
Disaster with the Arab Spring
Crimea
Leaving Iraq too soon and letting ISIS take over
Handling of Syrian Red Line

Calling ISIS “JV”
Failing to Recognize ISIS as a Radical (or Devout) Muslim Movement
Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits
Lack of Confidence by NATO nations
Signing a Disastrous Nuclear Deal with the Mullahs of Ira
Paid $5 Billion & Released 5 Taliban Prisoners For Deserter Bergdahl
Waging war by attacking Libya without Congressional approval
Allowed the building of Chinese bases in the South China Sea and off the coast of Somalia at the entrance to the gulf of Aden

14. Paying ransom to Iranian for hostages- and using foreign currency in unmarked plane
15. Lying about paying ransom (which media ignored!)

16. Pays tribute to Japanese at Hiroshima on US Memorial Day

17. Obama trashed America 18 times on Asian Tour
Domestic Policy


Failure to secure the Border
Illegals bringing guns, drug and diseases through the southern border
Bowe Bergdahl swap
Passing on the keystone pipeline

9 Trillion dollars more in debt
Vast expansion of government
Racial Division at all-time high
Inviting Bomb Boy Ahmed to White House
Disrespect for Cops
Failed economic stimulus plan
Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannica
l rule
China overtook America as world’s largest economy
Double Downgrade
Housing policies failed to stop foreclosures
Price of healthcare has drastically risen for those purchasing it
Education policies failed to curb college costs
Highest percentage of Americans on Food Stamps and Medicaid
Record 92,898,000 Americans over 16 years not working
Lowest Labor Force participation rate of 62.7%

Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism
Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016
Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to Czar Positions
Mismanagement and cover up of Terrorist shootings in San Bernardino, California

Mismanagement of Gulf Oil Spill
Disastrous Vetting Process of “Immigrants” from Muslim Nations
Refusing to Listen to CIA/FBI that there is no way to properly vet certain immigrants from Muslim nations


27. Fort Hood Shooting
28. Colorado EPA Disaster
29. Veto of 911 Crime Bill- which was overturned
30. Worst economic recovery since the depression with anemic GDP numbers
31[b]. Over 94 million Americans out of the workforce
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32. Solyndra

Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 08:56 PM
Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.


Over the past eight years, especially during times when President Obama was not on the ballot, Democrats have seen major electoral setbacks at both the state and federal level.

Sean Trende and David Byler calculated that the Republican Party is now in the strongest position it has been in 80 years.

"Obama and the political structure of America have been left standing — but nearly 1,000 Democratic officeholders have been defeated," noted one New York Post columnist the week before the election.



"Democrats hope a good showing on Tuesday will win back five Senate seats and maybe 15 House seats, but relative to their party's losses since 2009, that's like a bandage on an amputation."

Below, in no particular order, are four areas where the Democratic Party has suffered setbacks since the election of Obama.

Congress:

In 2009, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. For the 111th Congress, which went from 2009 to 2011, the Democrats had 257 members in the House of Representatives and 57 members in the Senate.

By the 2016 election, the Democrats had their numbers in the House reduced to 188 members, with them picking up five seats to bump up to 193 by next year.

And while the 2016 election saw Democrats get 2 extra seats in the Senate, at a total of 48, it still leaves them without the majority they once had.

Governors

Democrats have 10 fewer governorships in 2016 than they did in 2008, reducing their total number of state executives from 28 to 18.

A couple of instances they lost a governor's mansion only to gain it back later. This was the case for Virginia, they lost the governorship in 2009 when Republican Bob McDonnell won only to reclaim it in 2012 when Democrat Terry McAuliffe was elected.

In a Politico story published in February of 2015, Democratic governors attributed the losses experienced in 2014 specifically to a few factors, including "bad luck, bad timing and an unpopular president."

"Republicans now control 31 governor's mansions, their highest total since 1999 and three shy of their high-water mark since the turn of the 20th Century," reported Politico last year.

"There are only 18 Democratic governors left across the nation, and the survivors have some theories about why Democrats have been swept out of statehouses all over the country in recent years. But none of them are about the substance of the party's policies.

State Legislatures

In 2008, Democrats controlled both chambers of 27 state legislatures and had split control over 8 other state legislatures, while Republicans controlled both chambers of 14 state legislatures.

By 2015, the number of Democratically-controlled state legislators had plummeted to 11 while the Republicans' number increased to 30 state legislatures.

Nebraska, the only state with a one-house legislature, has as of November 2016 a Republican majority, with the GOP holding 35 seats versus 12 seats for Democrats and 2 seats for other political designations.

In a 2015 piece, the Pew Research Center's "Fact Tank" blog noted that Republican gains in 2010 were not excluded to Congress.

"The Republicans' big 2010 gains weren't just in Congress: They picked up nearly 700 legislative seats and won full control of 25 state legislatures (up from 14), putting them in a strong position to influence post-census redistricting," noted Pew.

"Although they weren't able to retake the White House in 2012, the party extended and solidified its congressional and legislative gains in the 2014 midterm elections."

The State Trifecta !

A state trifecta control is when one political party holds majorities in both chambers of a state legislator and the governorship.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, in early 2009 Democrats had 17 state trifectas while Republicans had nine.

However, by 2016 the number of state trifectas the Democrats held was reduced to six: California, Delaware, Hawaii, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Washington State. Republicans now have 24, plus Nebraska's unicameral legislature and governorship, with North Carolina still undecided.

In the 2016 election, Republicans were able to add four more state governments — Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, and New Hampshire — to their list of state trifectas.

"While Democrats picked up a trifecta in one state, they lost trifectas in two others," reported the New York Times last week.

"The losses are a harsh rebuke to President Obama's call in October for Democrats to make gains in state legislatures when it appeared that Donald J. Trump's campaign was stumbling."

Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 09:10 PM
Dave's notion that every event that occurs during a particular administration and which he objects to is the fault of that President is the kind of logic that makes Trump out to be a model citizen.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 09:28 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I'm well over the shock, craig, and accept it with equanimity because, as I've said often here, America for all its hubris and aberrations always get it right over time. Trump is learning his limits and mollifying the Tea Party.

We'll wait for determination of legacies. Obama has a leg up by removing US pariah status from the world, a significant achievement in itself, and was no part of the country's embarrassment and humiliation in electing his successor.

Inheriting two wars and a world recession largely of US making, faced with a dysfunctional government pledged to stop his every move, he introduced as first black president the beginning of universal healthcare.

The Obama family in the White House showed the world what America really is, a country of toleration and respect for others moving on to lift the burden of once the world's biggest slaveowner. With luck it will see the opportunities of cooperation instead of cutting each others' throats.


"Accept it with equanimity", eh Sralin? Let's look at the sociopathic contradictions just within this post. As well as the distortions of what has truly happened.

Removing US pariah status? What fantasy! We were never the parish, except to sociopathic totalitarians like yourself. Obama has weakened America in the eyes of the world, by design. His abandonment of our allies such as Egypt, Israel, etc. and his strategy of disengagement and actually supporting our enemies has caused chaos around the world.

Obama did inherit two wars, and essentially surrendered in both. His actions in Iraq created Isis. As well as emboldened Islamists word wide. The recession was intentionally created by Democrat Party policies, as the housing collaspe brought down the economy. None of the policies he wanted would have improved the economy, but were designed to increase Democrat power. Obama care is the same way, not intended to improve healthcare, but to facilitate a statist control of the American citizenery.

Obama really showed what sociopathic intolerance is, the relentless desire to subjugate others, and a willingness to bring all aspects of the federal government to bear against political opponents. And in the absence of legislation, to rule by Fiat in defiance of the Constitution.

Screw your " Slave owner" reference, you old Commie turd, no Americans alive today either were slaves or slaveowners, it's just you always going back to your well of commie mythology in order to degrade America.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 09:35 PM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I'm well over the shock, craig, and accept it with equanimity because, as I've said often here, America for all its hubris and aberrations always get it right over time. Trump is learning his limits and mollifying the Tea Party.

We'll wait for determination of legacies. Obama has a leg up by removing US pariah status from the world, a significant achievement in itself, and was no part of the country's embarrassment and humiliation in electing his successor.

Inheriting two wars and a world recession largely of US making, faced with a dysfunctional government pledged to stop his every move, he introduced as first black president the beginning of universal healthcare.

The Obama family in the White House showed the world what America really is, a country of toleration and respect for others moving on to lift the burden of once the world's biggest slaveowner. With luck it will see the opportunities of cooperation instead of cutting each others' throats.



Obama may have removed pariah status, although that status has always been debatable. The problem is he replaced (added?) it with impotence and the failure to support allies and secure real benefits for America with his foreign policy.

While Obama was bad domestically, he was a disaster in foreign policy.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 09:37 PM
Ken the Dems have not been this upset since the Republicans made them give up their slaves !

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...atic_party.html

Have you heard of Josiah Walls or Hiram Rhodes Revels? How about Joseph Hayne Rainey? If not, you’re not alone. I taught history and I never knew half of our nation’s past until I began to re-educate myself by learning from original source materials, rather than modern textbooks written by progressive Democrats with an agend


Clearly, the latter half of the 19th Century, and for much of the early half of the 20th Century, it was the Republican Party that was the party of choice for blacks. How can this be? Because the Republican Party was formed in the late 1850s as an oppositional force to the pro-slavery Democratic Party. Republicans wanted to return to the principles that were originally established in the republic’s founding documents and in doing so became the first party to openly advocated strong civil rights legislation. Voters took notice and in 1860 Abraham Lincoln was elected President along with a Republican Congress. This infuriated the southern Democrats, who soon afterwards left Congress and took their states with them to form what officially became known as The Slaveholding Confederate States of America.

Meanwhile, Republicans pushed full steam ahead. Take, for example, the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution that officially abolished slavery in 1864. Of the 118 Republicans in Congress (House and Senate) at the time, all 118 voted in favor of the legislation, while only 19 of 82 Democrats voted likewise.


Then


and now
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 10:35 PM
From the above, I thought Dave K. was a teacher. Ah no, couldn't be spouting that nonsense. It's a person called Kimberley Bloom Jackson published by The American Thinker. Look 'em up.
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 10:55 PM
WHO? is Obama? Wasn't he president once? TRUMP won! Stop kicking a DEAD horse and move on....sheees...
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 11:33 PM
You can cry and stamp your feet all you want,facts King are FACTS, and your beloved Dems/Liberal/Progressives are circling the drain.The party is doomed.

As we have told time and time again-America and Americans-which you know know so little about,are a center right conservative country that rejects big government and now you see the chickens have come home to roost !

Go back to telling us stories about your time with anti-semite's racists like JFK, Booby and Joe we always enjoy the bs stories you dream up
Posted By: Jagermeister Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/23/16 11:59 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
WHO? is Obama? Wasn't he president once? TRUMP won! Stop kicking a DEAD horse and move on....sheees...


I would say with one percenter elected the future has arrived. The future does not belong to those that have to work for living, but to those that inherit billions. They will become new Kings/Queens like those that existed in the past. It is useless to talk about what happened because regular people can do nothing about it.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 12:55 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....There is simply no longer any justification for not deciding all elections on the basis of a vote tally. If there were no Electoral College, how would that lead to Californians deciding where I can hunt? Slow down; take a deep breath. Your skipping too many steps for folks to follow.

Bill, read the first two sentences that I highlighted.

First sentence, you're saying I want a straight up popular vote.

In the second sentence, you don't seem to understand that California has a larger population than Montana. If the folks of Montana and California got together to have a popular vote to decide on hunting regulations, which state would be more influential.

Even though you were condescending to me, I'll try again. Republicans don't spend a minute of time or a dime on campaigning in kali for a national election. I firmly believe, if the game changes to popular votes, the R's would motivate the base in California, and in that state alone would make up your two million.

How about senators, if it's all about population counts, why doesn't Montana send it's senators to where the people are? Even if you prefer to ignore it, I truly hope places like ny city and la don't change Montana through the fed gov, just because they had the numbers to put up a larger vote total.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 01:01 AM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister


I would say with one percenter elected the future has arrived. The future does not belong to those that have to work for living, but to those that inherit billions. They will become new Kings/Queens like those that existed in the past. It is useless to talk about what happened because regular people can do nothing about it.


Pretty cynical, since the election was about those very issues. Trump ran on improving the lives on those who work for a living. And he's beholden to none of those that have inherited billions.I'd say it was regular people who elected him.
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 01:10 AM
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
....The future does not belong to those that have to work for living, but to those that inherit billions....

You should hook up the ole brain up Jm. Why don't you look up what the gov says hill spent loosing and the relative peanuts that Trump spent to win the Presidential election. If you allow yourself, you would be in awe.

I may be mistaken, but isn't Trump going to contractually restrict any of his cabinet from becoming a lobbyist for five years, and a lifetime banning from lobbying for a foreign government? If you didn't prejudge workers as substandard, you might realize that your class warfare talking points just don't matter to them.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 02:14 AM
US media in deep remorse, all sorts of mea culpas, we-shouldn't-done it for pile-on poor reporting and hundreds of millions of free promotion for Trump.

As for restricting lobbying common to other countries, consider unprecedented Trump's musing of skirting conflict of interest, reported by Forbes:

"As President-elect Donald Trump starts to lay down the groundwork for his move to the White House, a host of questions has cropped up about what will happen to his multi-billion dollar empire during his time in the Oval Office. While running mate Mike Pence will head the efforts for a peaceful transition of power, the handover of Trump’s business ventures will be even less straightforward. With ongoing litigation involving his businesses and nine-figure debt to a foreign bank, it remains to be seen how Trump will handle the scores of conflict of interest issues that will arise.

"The wealthiest Commander-in-Chief in American history will be exempt from conflict of interest statutes and most prohibitions against gifts (as are all U.S. presidents and vice presidents), so nothing stops Trump from maintaining the status quo and running his business from the White House. He’ll have to file a Federal Elections Committee disclosure document annually, which lists his assets and income. Tax returns, which Trump has steadfastly refused to release, do not have to be made available to the public.

"The Donald, who listed roughly 500 companies (some operational, some defunct) on his latest FEC filing, including ones for his new Washington D.C. hotel and Scotland golf resorts, has expressed multiple times that he will walk away from his businesses to focus on his presidential duties. Longtime counsel Michael Cohen recently told CNN that the Trump Organization chairman will sever all connections and put his assets into a blind trust, leaving them for his three oldest children — Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric — to manage.

"However, that’s not as easy as it sounds. “You typically cannot simply transfer existing assets into a blind trust. As a practical matter it’s likely a complete non-starter,” says Leslie Kiernan, a partner at law firm Akin Gump and a former Deputy White House Counsel under President Barack Obama. For the trust owner to be truly “blind” to his portfolio, the assets typically have to be liquidated first, Kiernan says. The cash can then be funneled into the trust, to be managed by an independent trustee approved by the Office of Government Ethics. Trump would not receive any information on what has been bought or sold with his money, though he could get reports on how much income the portfolio generated as a whole.

"This means the New York billionaire would have to sell prized properties like Manhattan’s Trump Tower or Palm Beach’s Mar-a-Lago, and give control of his company to a virtual stranger instead of his children. Moreover, some of his holdings, such as his 30% stake in two office towers majority owned by real estate investment firm Vornado, cannot be sold unless he acquires his partner’s consent."
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 03:00 AM
Originally Posted By: King Brown
US media in deep remorse, all sorts of mea culpas, we-shouldn't-done it for pile-on poor reporting and hundreds of millions of free promotion for Trump.

As for restricting lobbying common to other countries, consider unprecedented Trump's musing of skirting conflict of interest, reported by Forbes:

"As President-elect Donald Trump starts to lay down the groundwork....

The 'media' hasn't learned any lessons, and it's a beautiful thing. Trump is still the news item, ongoing promotion worth untold millions, confirming that all the media has in its righteous quiver is hollow racism and misogyny talking points.

Shouldn't we be spending our lobbying, pardon me, media efforts on the elusive legacy issue?

King, you could sprain a typing finger. Isn't the important point that it's the start of a process. Didn't the formerly righteous snowden era wikileaker show the world that when trusted inner circle staff advises an infirm also ran tyrant about the pitfalls of foundationing, it's best to ignore it and rake as many hundred millions as possible?

You do realize that ready or not, a few radical left wing tax philosophers aren't going to block the transition in January. Why not write them and tell them to knock off the free advertising?
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/24/16 03:08 AM
Fascinating. To have a President who is already very successful and rich, as opposed to the typical politician who becomes rich because of his office.

No doubt something will be worked out, so as not to punish Trump for his success prior to becoming President.

Of course, his political enemies will make what they can of it, since success is evil, as is already happening.

Hmmm, "transition in disarray, need for recounts, business issues, press relations, extremest staff picks, etc.". All merely the creation of the false narratives to support whatever the "Big lie du jour" is. I'm sure we can count on Sralin to parrot each and every one.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 08:22 PM
King, the US media is far from being in "deep remorse". There is evidense a few get it but people like John Oliver are more the norm.

This video is an excellent dissection of John Oliver and how blind the leftist media is to their own complicity in the "problem".

https://youtu.be/7px6iKQj-g4
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 08:40 PM
Posted By: Last Dollar Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 10:18 PM
More like someones EKG...
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 10:23 PM
...after seeing a hot communist Muslim chick in yoga pants.

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Thank you Joseph C Shivers!
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 10:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
More like someones EKG...

I hope not, it looks like the patient almost died, twice. It's probably not coincidence that the big dips were steered away from mattering in elections. Reminds me of that gruber vid making fun of the stupidity of the voter.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 11:08 PM
Deutsche Bank chart reflecting rise in EPS under proposed tax rate reduction-add the real potential to raise GDP above the failed sub 2 point we have had under Obama and you can see why those that work/earn and invest are going to be much better off under Trump



http://www.wsj.com/articles/gdp-inflatio...ency-1479054608

"The change of administration could “knock the U.S. economy out of its low-altitude, low-growth orbit,”

On average, economists marked up their growth forecasts. The economy could expand 2.2% in 2017 and 2.3% in 2018, as a fiscal stimulus kicks into gear, up from about 1.5% over the past 12 months. Inflation is seen at 2.2% next year and 2.4% in 2018. If correct, it would be the first stretch of sustained inflation above 2% since before the recession of 2007 to 2009.

Mr. Trump and GOP congressional leaders share goals of cutting taxes and reducing regulations. Most economists believe tax cuts, especially if not accompanied by spending reductions, would produce a short-term boost to economic growth. His proposals to increase infrastructure spending, if successful, could lead to a large boost in construction employment, with spillover effects for other industries.
Posted By: Dave K Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/25/16 11:13 PM
And more good news;

Democrats Struggle to Regroup After Loss

http://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-struggle-to-regroup-after-loss-1480011370

they lost the White House, but because the party has suffered calamitous losses in state legislatures and governorships over the last eight years.

“When you are where Democrats are right now, which is at the state level at our lowest ebb in the nation’s history, the rethinking starts with a lot of informal conversations,’’ said Mike Stewart, chairman of the Democratic caucus in the Tennessee state Assembly
Posted By: keith Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/26/16 03:57 PM
Maybe we should all be helping the Democrats now by giving them advice they could use to win the next election just as they did for the Republicans after Obama won.

The only problem is that if Republicans had followed their goofy and self-serving advice, they either would not have won, or there would simply be a second Democrat Party.

It should be clear to all that they were never concerned with helping us. And to listen to the rhetoric we hear from leading Democrat politicians now, the situation is no different than Sen. Mitch McConnell saying he hoped to make Obama a one term president. There will be precious little bipartisanship and cooperation from the Democrats to advance Trump's vision to bring America back to prosperity and strength.
Posted By: Ken61 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/26/16 04:20 PM
The ideological battle within the Democrat Party is what is going to be fascinating. The current Obama/Clinton ideology is based on economic destruction of the private sector, based on Cloward & Piven doctrine. This really kicked into gear during the Clinton administration. It really aligned their party with the revolutionary Left, massive expansion of spending on social programs to always increase the percentage the federal government takes from the economy. Along comes the Democrat created housing crisis that crashes the economy, Obama gets elected on blaming Republicans, and then he massively increases departmental budgets. Some departments nearly doubled, they continued to go up at double the rate of traditional inflation because of Baseline Budgeting. Throw in Obama care and massive, costly regulations and you have the formula for job destruction and shrinking of the Middle Class.

Now, there are a few Democrats going "off the Reservation" and actually talking about jobs and the Economy. I doubt this will really matter, as the Democrats are really committed to economic destruction, and you can't have both.

It's somewhat like the Establishment Republican situation. Why would Democrats vote for more moderate Democrats when they can vote for Republicans?
Posted By: craigd Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/26/16 05:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Ken61
The ideological battle within the Democrat Party is what is going to be fascinating. The current Obama/Clinton ideology is based on....

....Why would Democrats vote for more moderate Democrats when they can vote for Republicans?

I believe the current obama ideology is based on the previously mentioned don lemon rule, now cnn anchor. 'We weigh how much we criticize the president because he is black'. Some dems are discovering that they are not afforded quite the same entitlement.

As for why dems will definitely continue to vote dem. I think it's because it's hammered into their heads from kindergarten. All they need to hear are the talking points that make them feel good, and a bunch will follow. Regardless of what bo sez on foreign soil, there's pretty good indication that the economy can't help but to perk up. When confidence is up, it'll be across the board and lefties will be dreaming of and demanding bigger handouts than they've been used to these past few years.
Posted By: treblig1958 Re: Trump 2016 Wahooo! It's a lock. - 11/28/16 02:44 AM
The Democrats painted themselves into this corner with their 'Feel' good politics. Its hard position to be in when you are identifying yourself with the Ex-President Obama and climate change then turn around and tell a traditionally Democratic working stiff, sorry but you're out of a job.

Need a hand out? How about we raise the minimum wage up to fifteen dollars and hour, will that help you out?
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