When will this stop? Why is it being facilitated by government policies in denial of the nature of Radical, Fundamentalist Islam?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com
That's a good question Ken and no one seems to have the answer.
The left needs the votes of Arab immigrants to stay in power. To the left, votes that keeps them in power are more important then the lives of the innocents.
I had a few nervous minutes last night waiting for my son to answer his phone, he lives and works in Manchester and would have been in the area at the time but for the offer of a lift home from work . His friend was at the arena, she left minutes before the end to avoid the crowds and traffic, it was a total stroke of luck she was not involved, she was just leaving when it happened, she had run out of the building just before the foyer device detonated.
I have never been so relieved to hear my son's voice on the phone. If he hadn't been working the late shift and she didn't have to drive back to Liverpool for Uni the next day he would probably have been waiting to meet her after the show.
My heart goes out to everyone who was involved or has lost a family member or child.
I have no words to describe the hatred I have for the sorry excuse of a human being who could carry out this kind of atrocity.
El Garro, glad to hear your son and his friend are safe.
Obama is gone. I can only hope that Teresa May, Emmanuel Macron and others are running out of patience. Every single person, friend or family member, of these people need to be deported. If they are naturalized citizens, their citizenship needs to be revoked.
Every single person connected to them....out and back to the shit hole they came from. Pressure needs to be exerted on those communities so they stop giving the perpetrators cover and encouragement.
Good of you to post Ken, thanks.
For all that I look at President Trump sideways, I do believe he got it right when he said the perpetrators of this evil are nothing more than 'losers'. I'd only add that they are criminal losers.
FFS, one of those killed was only 8 years old. What did that poor wee mite know about the perverted, warped and twisted reasons this criminal loser set off his bomb vest? Nothing.
My prayers are with those who have lost a loved one and the injured. As a nation we have been here all too often, in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, thanks to Mr Corbyn's chums in the IRA and INLA.
Tim
I suggest we advance the understanding of the ideology that was behind this attack.
The way Radical Islam has been portrayed in the West can only be described in one way. Revisionist. It has been sanitized by the Leftists to serve their socio-political goal of Soviet style Balkanization, with the intention of using Islamic populations within their countries as ready made oppressed Victim Cults, who will not only vote en masse for Leftists, but serve to instigate societal disruption by not being required to assimmilate.
So, here begins the lesson. Most reasonably aware people have a reasonable knowledge of two Islamist terms, being Jihad and Sharia. What is necessary is to understand a third term, which is Dhimmi.
Dhimmi, pronounced zimm-eee, is the treatment of non-moslems living under Islamic rule. If you go to a source like Wikipedia, you'll find it defined as "Protected Person", and is benighnly described as non-moslems being required to pay additional taxes to practice their Faith. The islamic root of the word actually means "guilt" or "blame". Hardly a "protected person". This is a travesty as to what actually happens.
Dhimmi is what was behind the Manchester attack. Dhimmi ideology is what was and is behind the treatment and slaughter of non-moslems in ISIS controlled territories. Dhimmi is the whole point of Jihad, and is the reward for waging it. It is the total subjugation, oppression, and exploitation of a conquered people. Non-moslems have virtually no rights under Dhimmi, not even to the right of life. People living is the Balkans have been the ones most subjected to this Tyranny, and those living in Ottoman lands were subjected to it up until the end of WWI.
Here is a great example, and should be understood by anyone wanting to actually understand the motivations behind Radical Islam. There are many explanations about Dhimmi on this site.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/terror.aspxRegards
Ken
And people wonder why many are so opposed to bringing a 100K more refuges into this country. If just .1% of 100k are bad that's 100 bad guys to watch and try to prevent from attacking. When there is no need to bring any of them in the first place having open borders is just about as stupid as it gets. I don't have open doors in my house. You enter at my invitation and at your peril if you threaten me or mine. A nation should be the same way.
What Westerners don't understand is Jizya. Integral to Dhimmi. (Jizz-ee-yah). This is the tax on non-believers. (infidels) The truth is that Moslems who come to the West, including America, consider Welfare and other assistance to be a form of Jizya. They are morally entitled to it from the Infidels. I can remember years ago reading a story from Britian where Moslems were taunting Brits that they were their Slaves because the Moslems were on the Dole and receiving free Health Care. They were right. Immams in Britian actually encourage their followers not to work so to recieve Jizya. Islam is a Supremacist Religion. Not an Egalitarian one. The sooner people understand it the better. Current numbers for America for Moslem refugees is 91% on food stamps, and 68% on cash assistance. Jizya.
I suggest we advance the understanding of the ideology that was behind this attack....
It may be as simple as right and wrong. We really ought to understand the ideology that's trying to change the US and western culture elsewhere. I think we need an education secretary and leadership that can change the talking points to insisting that our kids are taught traditional American values, not multiculturalism.
Then, maybe our kids will understand what they're looking at. It really is okay if another country or culture has different values, it just doesn't have to be force fed to people that are willing to admit that it's not welcome. The problem is that some 'cultures' are willing to justify regular mass murders of their own as some sort of acceptable progressive trade off.
Obama is gone. I can only hope that Teresa May, Emmanuel Macron and others are running out of patience.
The most powerful person in Europe is Angela Merkel. Last year she singlehandedly threw open the borders of Europe and took in over one million refugee's from africa and the middle east. No one knows who they are, what they have done in the past, what they want in Europe, nothing. Currently our touchy-feely government in Ireland , has our tiny navy in the mediterranean picking up "refugees" off the coast of libya and other countries in north Africa and dropping them off in Italy. There are 6,000 a week coming into europe.
If you think this is a random event, then look at the video in the link below. Between George Soros and Peter Sutherland, we finished.
https://youtu.be/rVmg37snifI
It will never stop. We will keep killing them and they will keep killing us. You have to remember now war is bad business and missile or bomb can fall in wrong place killing those that not supposed to be killed. This keeps swelling their ranks. Sadly war is not like used to be where opposing armies stood in the field and exchanged volleys of musket and cannon fire. It may help some to cope that loss of their women and children is just as painful for them as it is for us.
It may help some to cope that loss of their women and children is just as painful for them as it is for us.
Hmmmm, I don't think so, JM. They have definitely demonstrated that they don't hold human life to the same value as we do. They have cultivated a culture of death, in that they applaud it, they pray for it. We abhor the fact that innocents are sometimes caught in the crossfire. They think no such thing.
The worst thing we do is listen to people like you, apologists for their tribal, stone age behavior and we have allowed you to convince us that their culture deserves respect. Cultural and social relativists, where all is equal in value. What bullshit.
Jagermeister, thank you for your response. It serves greatly to illustrate one of the main problems, the indoctrinated, Leftist view of the situation. To assert somehow a degree of Moral Equivalency between Islamic Terrorism and Western actions and beliefs is typically absurd, and has been intentionally indoctrinated into people such as you in order to further the goal of societal disruption and disintegration.
The current "Parade of Dupes" on television is illustrative as well. We're in a Clash of Cultures, a de facto religious war, not based on the actions of the West, but the West's very existerce. All considered infidels by Radical Islamists, and thus deserving to be murdered.
I'll reiterate a point I made in an earlier thread, imagine what would have happened if the British response to IRA terrorism had been the same. Where was the tolerance, understanding, and self-blaming rationalization then? Why wasn't IRA terrorism considered the "New Normal"?
Regards
Ken
It will end when last Muslim breaths his last breath on this planet...
Being around devout Muslims it is hard not to envy their faith and, at least in my case, be drawn to it. But to read the Koran one gets a different take. In the latter part Mohammad teaches how faithful are to behave toward the infidel. That is kill or subjugate. As long as the Muslim stays true to the Koran there will be no peace until the infidels(that's us)are either dead, enslaved or converted.
The Left has become our party of appeasement. Unlike when The British PM sought to appease Hitler before WWII to delay a war he was not ready or willing to start, he at the same time allowed research into military improvements to go forward. That reasearch proved vital in the future air war. At a slower rate than many wished but still forward. Today's appeasement party refuses to do the same. They even attack those who complain about innocent people being killed. Madness.
It is insane to me. While people are being blown up or beheaded these appeasement groupies are saying we need to be sympathetic to the viewpoints of those doing the killing. It's like telling a rape victim should put themselves in the rapist shoes and feel sorry for the rapist and not for being raped. Don't offend the rapist or in this case mass murderer of civilians. What madness.
The Leftist reaction to this whole situation has been predictable. Europe has been plagued by economic stagnation and low birth rates. All due to excessive socialist taxation and regulation. Their answer, of course, is to make things worse. Allow immigration of people who will support their destructive policies as well as destroy whatever of their historical culture is left.
The same Leftist ideology in America has the same goals.
As part of the immigration screening process, any potential immigrants who either believe in, or are sympathetic to, the unconstitutional concepts of Jihad, Sharia, or Dhimmi should be barred from immigration.
Regards
Ken
Pooch, have a chat with them about Dhimmi. You'll find out what they really think of you. Or, they'll just practice Taqiyya. Please post back about it.
Regards
Ken
Dhimmi defines the way subjected people living in Muslim lands are to be allowed to live. Another section of the Koran dictates infidels are to be killed.
It is a bit ironic the fact that the family of the offender in this incident were actually refugees taken in by Britain as they were victims of Ghaddafi's regime. Sort of biting the hands that feeds you. Lagopus.....
Now this is just my personal view on Muslin fundamentalism and the British government.
Here in the UK from the time we Brits built wooden ships and roamed around this planet of ours, people from many different countries and of course beliefs and religions have settled here. Now it has not been all harmony over the years but we have managed to rub along together with the occasional family spat that usually ended as fast as it started. And on the whole, such a big mixing pot in such a small country has made living here on the whole different and most of the time very enjoyable especially the food, and the many special religious celebration days with the point being you don’t have to be a believer to go along and enjoy the festivities.
Now the majority of Muslims making their homes in this small Island are kind considerate and doing their best to have and keep a family like the rest of us, stumping up the tax and worrying what school and education their children will have. In other words, the same sort of problem’s we all have to cope with in our daily lives.
Now as Far as I see Muslim Fundamentalism, the people who follow this path want to have only a Muslim world with no other beliefs or thoughts. And in making this world they will use any and every means to achieve this without regard to others. This is something western politicians especially the British Government cannot get their heads around because our history tells them British citizens no matter their belief religion or no religion for that matter could see that it is far better to get on with each other living in peace than constantly be in a state of turmoil.
Politicians do not as yet have the ability to see you cannot reason with a Religious zealot having a bomb and a gun and no value for life its self, something more along the lines of fundamentalists actions will in the end be needed, in other words “fight fire with fire”.
I had a nice set of mitutoyo micrometers stolen from me by a muslim, he sent them back to his family in Pakistan, he was caught stealing from another lads toolchest and when questioned as to why he thought he could do this he replied " you are infidel, its not a crime or a sin for me to take from the infidel".
You do surprise me Bony if that was the end of the matter. As a lad from Liverpool working in some tough Engineering factory's. Retribution would be swift using these words "being an atheist it would not be a sin or a crime for me to give you a Muslim a weeks stay in the local Hospital's fracture clinic!!
How sad to think that innocent children are targets for these sick bastards.
And how utterly sick it is for the Left to once again be making excuses for deviant and criminal behavior. Jagermeister's comments only offer further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder, and this sort of thing won't stop any time soon because of people like him.
Maybe if Jagermeister's 5 or 8 year old granddaughter had her life violently snuffed out by a Muslim terrorist, he would see things differently. But then again, he may be too ignorant for even that to make him see the truth. These deviants live in a cult of death. Their families admire them for their sick violent acts against infidels, and their leadership like Hamas and Iran pay large sums of money to their families for their suicide attacks.
Radical Islam has been beaten and tamped down numerous times throughout history. Brute force and total intolerance of their demented behavior is the only thing that has worked. Foolish Liberals like Jagermeister and dla (sic) make silly excuses and say there are over a billion of them and we can never win. But we are talking about a culture that has stagnated and been inbred for centuries, and has offered the world virtually nothing of value for thousands of years.
As part of the immigration screening process, any potential immigrants who either believe in, or are sympathetic to, the unconstitutional concepts of Jihad, Sharia, or Dhimmi should be barred from immigration.
Regards
Ken
Given our policies in the middle east if you want to minimize acts of terror by Muslims in western world all would have to be barred from immigration and the ones already there would have to be encouraged or forced to leave.
....Here in the UK....
....people from many different countries and of course beliefs and religions have settled here. Now it has not been all harmony over the years but we have managed to rub along together....
....Now the majority of Muslims making their homes in this small Island are kind considerate and doing their best to have and keep a family like the rest of us, stumping up the tax and worrying what school and education their children will have. In other words, the same sort of problem’s we all have to cope with in our daily lives....
I think it's a pretty common theme that every time something like this happens, it always involves some sort of network. The majority of muslims may not be assimilating into their adopted home country as folks might hope. There seems to be quite a bit of looking the other way by muslims in self segregated communities.
I always wonder why the adopted home country/culture bends over backwards to change the meaning of consideration for the family and education of children.
....Here in the UK....
....people from many different countries and of course beliefs and religions have settled here. Now it has not been all harmony over the years but we have managed to rub along together....
....Now the majority of Muslims making their homes in this small Island are kind considerate and doing their best to have and keep a family like the rest of us, stumping up the tax and worrying what school and education their children will have. In other words, the same sort of problem’s we all have to cope with in our daily lives....
I think it's a pretty common theme that every time something like this happens, it always involves some sort of network. The majority of muslims may not be assimilating into their adopted home country as folks might hope. There seems to be quite a bit of looking the other way by muslims in self segregated communities.
I always wonder why the adopted home country/culture bends over backwards to change the meaning of consideration for the family and education of children.
From practical point of view it makes little difference to me whether I die in my sleep, of heart attack, car accident or from bullet or explosives by terrorist. If you care why don't you just tell them all to get the [censored] out of here and be done with it?
....Given our policies in the middle east if you want to minimize acts of terror by Muslims in western world all would have to be barred from immigration and the ones already there would have to be encouraged or forced to leave.
Naw, too many home grown odds and ends would be left over, but I like your idea. Maybe, you meant lib, progressives should be forced to leave, and bingo, no cover for the jihadis? Would a dem from the US, living the dream in the travel banned six or seven, have to wear a burka?
....If you care why don't you just tell them all to get the [censored] out of here and be done with it?
How about asking 'em why they don't just die of old age? Then in their heaven, all their kids would be great soldiers, all the wives would be put in their place, and they would all think they have the best harems?
On a slight tangent, Manchester, like many large cities is a multi cultural place these days. I've spent a lot of time working there in the past and have met all kinds of people from all over the world, most were friendly but some really got my back up. There are plenty of reports about the way people pulled together to try and help on that night. Hundreds of taxi drivers turned off their meters, filled up with fuel and worked right through the night ferrying people to safety for free. Many of the drivers are of foreign origin, many were Muslim.
There were pictures of a large group of Sikh shop owners who filled their vans with food and drinks then set up tables on street corners and gave the goods away to anyone involved.
In the middle of this horrible incident it was heartwarming to see how ordinary people pulled together to try and help in any way they could.
We shouldn't judge a person by the colour of their skin or a religion. These people were human, they cared , they were upset and they wanted to help.
The animals who commit these acts need to be snuffed out. Hopefully there will be more cooperation amongst the communities after this .
If one potential terrorist is outted by their family/friends or neighbours it will be the beginning of the end of this so called holy war.
Everyone with a heart and a brain in their head is clearly disgusted at what happened. I've seen the moronic social media "burn a mosque" comments , that's not the way. Eradicating the preachers of hate who pray on the dumb, the weak minded and easily led is the way forward now.
We can't arrange a scrap in a field with these people, they haven't got the balls so they choose to terrorise us, fortunately, they're upsetting a lot of the people they call their own too.
Just my thoughts on it. I hope others think the same.
You do surprise me Bony if that was the end of the matter. As a lad from Liverpool working in some tough Engineering factory's. Retribution would be swift using these words "being an atheist it would not be a sin or a crime for me to give you a Muslim a weeks stay in the local Hospital's fracture clinic!!
He wound up with a broken nose and a very fat lip after the head welder (nice guy, but borderline lunatic) caught him redhanded going through someones toolboxes. If i had laid a finger on him my rifle, shotgun and pistol certs would be gone as quick as you could blink. Not worth it.
On a slight tangent, Manchester, like many large cities is a multi cultural place these days. I've spent a lot of time working there in the past and have met all kinds of people from all over the world, most were friendly but some really got my back up. There are plenty of reports about the way people pulled together to try and help on that night. Hundreds of taxi drivers turned off their meters, filled up with fuel and worked right through the night ferrying people to safety for free. Many of the drivers are of foreign origin, many were Muslim.
There were pictures of a large group of Sikh shop owners who filled their vans with food and drinks then set up tables on street corners and gave the goods away to anyone involved.
In the middle of this horrible incident it was heartwarming to see how ordinary people pulled together to try and help in any way they could.
We shouldn't judge a person by the colour of their skin or a religion. These people were human, they cared , they were upset and they wanted to help.
The animals who commit these acts need to be snuffed out. Hopefully there will be more cooperation amongst the communities after this .
If one potential terrorist is outted by their family/friends or neighbours it will be the beginning of the end of this so called holy war.
Everyone with a heart and a brain in their head is clearly disgusted at what happened. I've seen the moronic social media "burn a mosque" comments , that's not the way. Eradicating the preachers of hate who pray on the dumb, the weak minded and easily led is the way forward now.
We can't arrange a scrap in a field with these people, they haven't got the balls so they choose to terrorise us, fortunately, they're upsetting a lot of the people they call their own too.
Just my thoughts on it. I hope others think the same.
Sorry, but i cannot agree. Have you not seen reports on the news about "sharia patrols" on the streets of Leeds/Bradford, the east end of London, anyone having a drink or being "immodisly dressed" is haranged or assaulted. Then we had the Asian rape gangs, who were free to pray on exclusively white girls, because the Police were terrified of being accused of racism. There is a massive mosque about 3 miles from me. The imam is the European head of the muslim brotherhood, and his no.2 openly warned our media no to republish the Charlie Hebbdo cartoon or they would be sued.
There are Jews here, Protestants, Mormons, seventh day adventists, buddists, you name it, but i cannot remember any of them causing as much trouble as Islam.
It will end when last Muslim breaths his last breath on this planet...
Better get crackin', jOe.
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And when he had lived long, and was borne to his grave...they carved no hopeful verse upon his tombstone, for his dying hour was gloom. Nathaniel Hawthorne
Sincere condolences to our British friends. Had the UK and the US pussyfooted around with the Nazis like we are with Islamic terrorism we'd all be speaking German now.
It might sound a bit extreme to some but if the would be suicide bomber was told that his body parts would be collected up and fed to wild pigs; it would, in his twisted mind, mean to him that paradise would not be where he thinks he would end up. Martyr to pig fodder might not be a preferred option. Lagopus.....
Lagopus - I have often made that suggestion in letters to the editor of various newspapers but for some reason they never get published.
It might sound a bit extreme to some but if the would be suicide bomber was told that his body parts would be collected up and fed to wild pigs; it would, in his twisted mind, mean to him that paradise would not be where he thinks he would end up. Martyr to pig fodder might not be a preferred option. Lagopus.....
It should be a public display along with his relatives.
In my mind this ends only when it is approached properly. Half of the debates I see on this topic are either racially, or religiously based, until that stops no one is going to get anywhere. Who cares about skin colour, or religion, I mean genuinely? Would it really matter to any of us if acts of terror were not being committed?
Religion and race are not grounds for the actions taken by these people. By "these people" I mean those degenerates who could be classified as extremists, or terrorists. That's a demographic independent of religion or race. There have been some in every race, and of every religion.
What this comes down to is a widespread group of people behaving in a way that is wrong. Call it unprincipled, call it immoral, it comes down to the same thing. They have no honor, they have no respect, they have no compassion, and they are driven by hate.
A unified body will be required to face this kind of threat. Not one defined by a nation, religion, or culture, because every one of those has its own pitfalls. This body would have to be entirely comprised of individuals of a selfless nature, each committed to adhering to a set of defining boundaries and commitments. They will not be flawless, but they will not become their adversary. The commitment needs to be in stopping bad people from doing bad things, not in attacking Muslims or brown people.
That will likely never be of course, we're quite adept at voicing our opinions but never taking action. We happily sit back and deplore the actions of others, but that's where the easy part ends, and not so coincidentally, our personal involvement. From that angle we have a striking resemblance to a small dog, barking at people we don't like from the safety of our lawns, and cowering instantly if one of them elects to face us.
The situation will degrade, and we will watch, passive observation brought us here. If you disagree, don't waste your time typing out some long winded hate mail I'll only approach like a satirical paper. If you really disagree, prove me wrong.
....If you disagree, don't waste your time typing out some long winded hate mail I'll only approach like a satirical paper....
I disagree near top to bottom, but if you really mean this, it doesn't seem to me like you have offered any real solutions. If you'd be open to a little bit of proof, does it make sense to comment about right and wrong when it's based on equivocating. You criticize the uncommitted, does it make sense to trivialize the hyper committed. Good luck herding all the small dogs, if the first thought is racial and religious sensitivity.
Religion and race are not grounds for the actions taken by these people. By "these people" I mean those degenerates who could be classified as extremists, or terrorists. That's a demographic independent of religion or race. There have been some in every race, and of every religion.
On the contrary, it is exactly religion that motivates these people. While certainly not all Moslems believe in this extremist view, the number who do is significant. What is even more important is to understand that even more not only tolerate it, but admire it's fervor. This is the point, Islam is fundamentally a supremacist religion. In the West, supremacist beliefs are generally decried, and rightly so, but this is not the case with Islam. It is not the West who needs to tolerate and change, but Islam. There are some signs of this in Egypt, and hopefully it will spread throughout the Moslem world.
Regards
Ken
Well, bringing democracy to them has failed and now redistribution of population is failing. The golden age of prosperity is gone probably forever. It will only get worse and there will be more violence and killing. You can think of modern Western World as the Roman Empire and the Romans trying to hold out against ever growing hoards of less enlightened clans, tribes,......Can we win. No.
Happy Memorial Day.
The golden age of prosperity is gone probably forever.
You and others of your ideology have certainly tried to achieve this, thus the current political backlash. I myself prefer the traditional American belief, that of unbridled optimism, the only thing needed to be the defeat of totalitarian sociopaths like yourself. The Constitution was designed to facilitate this.
The golden age of prosperity is gone probably forever.
You and others of your ideology have certainly tried to achieve this, thus the current political backlash. I myself prefer the traditional American belief, that of unbridled optimism, the only thing needed to be the defeat of totalitarian sociopaths like yourself. The Constitution was designed to facilitate this.
There is an upside to this in that if you're are wealthy and well-connected the demise will be extremely long in coming. What you have is our poor fighting them and this will continue to happen for very, very long time. Ken, I'm sure you will continue to do well. Have a happy Memorial Day.
Religion and race are not grounds for the actions taken by these people. By "these people" I mean those degenerates who could be classified as extremists, or terrorists. That's a demographic independent of religion or race. There have been some in every race, and of every religion.
On the contrary, it is exactly religion that motivates these people. While certainly not all Moslems believe in this extremist view, the number who do is significant. What is even more important is to understand that even more not only tolerate it, but admire it's fervor. This is the point, Islam is fundamentally a supremacist religion. In the West, supremacist beliefs are generally decried, and rightly so, but this is not the case with Islam. It is not the West who needs to tolerate and change, but Islam. There are some signs of this in Egypt, and hopefully it will spread throughout the Moslem world.
Regards
Ken
The golden age of prosperity is gone probably forever.
You and others of your ideology have certainly tried to achieve this, thus the current political backlash. I myself prefer the traditional American belief, that of unbridled optimism, the only thing needed to be the defeat of totalitarian sociopaths like yourself. The Constitution was designed to facilitate this.
As is so often the case, Ken, you are on the money with both of these replies. Islam does not want to live in peace with fellow religions and the pessimistic view of society espoused by JM is reflective of the pessimistic view statists have of everyone.
It is realistic assessment of our times. We are doing all we can by having military presence in as many places as we can. This helps our economic interests abroad and keeps wars away from our shores. While we can not defeat ideology through military force and interventions we can limit its presence on our shores. I applaud our increase in military spending while cutting other programs. I just hope that those affected by those cuts support our leader again because it is the right thing to do.
Religion and race are not grounds for the actions taken by these people. By "these people" I mean those degenerates who could be classified as extremists, or terrorists. That's a demographic independent of religion or race. There have been some in every race, and of every religion.
On the contrary, it is exactly religion that motivates these people. While certainly not all Moslems believe in this extremist view, the number who do is significant. What is even more important is to understand that even more not only tolerate it, but admire it's fervor. This is the point, Islam is fundamentally a supremacist religion. In the West, supremacist beliefs are generally decried, and rightly so, but this is not the case with Islam. It is not the West who needs to tolerate and change, but Islam. There are some signs of this in Egypt, and hopefully it will spread throughout the Moslem world.
Regards
Ken
The golden age of prosperity is gone probably forever.
You and others of your ideology have certainly tried to achieve this, thus the current political backlash. I myself prefer the traditional American belief, that of unbridled optimism, the only thing needed to be the defeat of totalitarian sociopaths like yourself. The Constitution was designed to facilitate this.
As is so often the case, Ken, you are on the money with both of these replies. Islam does not want to live in peace with fellow religions and the pessimistic view of society espoused by JM is reflective of the pessimistic view statists have of everyone.
I sincerely hope that your country meets its financial obligations to NATO and our mutual cooperation keeping North America safe for us and our future generations. I thank your people for continued support and cooperation.
There is an upside to this in that if you're are wealthy and well-connected the demise will be extremely long in coming. What you have is our poor fighting them and this will continue to happen for very, very long time.
Ah, a ressurection of a Leftist, dogmatic, demonization concept asserting Class Warfare. It was popular during the Vietnam War Era.
Typical, to ignore that those who choose to serve believe in American Exceptionalism, are patriotic, and believe in the Constitutional concepts of Freedom and Equality. As well as the belief that all Americans have the "Right" to be free from unconstitutional, religious, political infliction from people like you.
Religion and race are not grounds for the actions taken by these people. By "these people" I mean those degenerates who could be classified as extremists, or terrorists. That's a demographic independent of religion or race. There have been some in every race, and of every religion.
On the contrary, it is exactly religion that motivates these people. While certainly not all Moslems believe in this extremist view, the number who do is significant. What is even more important is to understand that even more not only tolerate it, but admire it's fervor. This is the point, Islam is fundamentally a supremacist religion. In the West, supremacist beliefs are generally decried, and rightly so, but this is not the case with Islam. It is not the West who needs to tolerate and change, but Islam. There are some signs of this in Egypt, and hopefully it will spread throughout the Moslem world.
Regards
Ken
Interesting to see that huntingsgr8 has not responded. But it was obvious from his initial post that he has not bothered to click on the religion of peace links, or done any other actual research into Islam and what motivates the terrorists:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.comSince he made the utterly ridiculous statement that every race and religion has has its' own terrorists, Id' like to see him back that up with facts. Where are the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Bhuddists, or Amish Dutch who are blowing themselves up in crowds of children? Where are the suicidal Jihaddist Eskimos? The statements by him and Jagermeister offer further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I'd suspect that if he and Jagermeister ever found themselves in a situation where Muslim extremism reached the point where they felt personally threatened, they would be the first to submit and convert to Islam to save their sorry asses.
The idiot Jagermeister really ought to stick to trolling lies about the number of guns he actually owns, and lies about his reloading activities. He pretends to IGNORE me now so he can continue skirting the obvious question... why does someone who does not own even one lousy double shotgun spend so much time trolling bullshit on a double gun forum???
OK, time for Gladys to stick his whiny hypocritical nose into it.
Selby Lowndes
As is so often the case, Ken, you are on the money with both of these replies. Islam does not want to live in peace with fellow religions and the pessimistic view of society espoused by JM is reflective of the pessimistic view statists have of everyone.
I sincerely hope that your country meets its financial obligations to NATO and our mutual cooperation keeping North America safe for us and our future generations. I thank your people for continued support and cooperation.
JM, I hope so too.
As a citizen of Canada I've done what I can since I turned 18 forty years ago to elect responsible politicians who will commit to and live up to what are our appropriate obligations, at home and around the world. Unwaveringly, in every single election.
But, as a citizen of a constitutional monarchy, governed by laws enacted by elected representatives of the people, as you well know and decry, I am saddled with that pesky concept called democracy.
It was a valiant effort to try to shame me, JM, but I'm having none of it.
BTW, JM, what country are you from and what was that country's contribution to WWI & WWII?
On the contrary, it is exactly religion that motivates these people. While certainly not all Moslems believe in this extremist view, the number who do is significant. What is even more important is to understand that even more not only tolerate it, but admire it's fervor. This is the point, Islam is fundamentally a supremacist religion. In the West, supremacist beliefs are generally decried, and rightly so, but this is not the case with Islam. It is not the West who needs to tolerate and change, but Islam. There are some signs of this in Egypt, and hopefully it will spread throughout the Moslem world.
Regards
Ken[/quote]
I didn't explain my self very clearly. What I mean, is that religion and race are not justifiable grounds, or validation for their actions. I mean that separately from their own motivations. A man can kill another because he is a different colour, that's his reasoning an his motivation, but that doesn't validate the murder. Simply put race and religion aren't excuses for violence.
[/quote]Interesting to see that huntingsgr8 has not responded. But it was obvious from his initial post that he has not bothered to click on the religion of peace links, or done any other actual research into Islam and what motivates the terrorists:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.comSince he made the utterly ridiculous statement that every race and religion has has its' own terrorists, Id' like to see him back that up with facts. Where are the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Bhuddists, or Amish Dutch who are blowing themselves up in crowds of children? Where are the suicidal Jihaddist Eskimos? The statements by him and Jagermeister offer further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I'd suspect that if he and Jagermeister ever found themselves in a situation where Muslim extremism reached the point where they felt personally threatened, they would be the first to submit and convert to Islam to save their sorry asses.[/quote]
First off the predominant religions of the western world are essentially derivatives of each other. Same god, same book, just a bit of variation with the details. Keep in mind I meant that with respect to human history, not exclusively the present. The inquisition, the crusades, etc.
The rest of your post is quite irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's one thing to disagree with me, I welcome it, debate causes thinking and learning, but to throw insults at me? Really? Trying to belittle me, and somehow prove your superiority? Seems like the behavior of bully to me. Honestly I haven't got time for men who put their egos before respect. I'll welcome anything you have to add to the topic at hand, but save your disrespectful statements for someone who's willing to roll in the mud.