Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The insanity continues.

Again, my sincere condolences.

Regards
Ken

It won't end until the so called Muslim religion is exterminated from this planet...

The murderers are religious fanatics. I hate, but can understand their acts. I can't understand the judges now legislating from the bench that are helping those fanatics.

Prayers and sympathy to the people who have to deal with this.

Fanatics are very hard to stop because they are willing to do anything for their cause well out of what we consider a reasonable act. The retribution to those who help them and shelter them has to become just as extreme. In this case prison then deportation, revocation of citizenship and rights. Suicide bombers petered out in Israel when the family was held responsible for the act of the bomber. Retribution was harsh and swift.

And to those who wonder why so many of us in this country are against allowing 100K more Muslim immigrants into this country should stop and think about this. If .000001% of them is a future suicide bomber you just let one of them into this country. If .00001% that's 10. and if .0001% are future suicide bombers that will be 100. And what will be the cry heard in this country if we are attacked by them. Why for more gun control because everyone knows guns are the problems. Not nut jobs willing to kill others in the name of their God. God save us from stupid leaders.

There, I fixed it for you.

Great Britain has my sympathies. I have told my ex wife that despite her enthusiasm and financial ability to travel abroad with our son, I will no longer allow her to take him to France and Britain. At the moment I may be able to be convinced in favour of an itinerary that completely excludes urban tourist sites as well as London and Paris airports and train stations. But probably not for long. He's going to Sicily in two weeks with two days in Rome. I don't like the Rome part.

Another year or two of this and the collective heads may get pulled out of asses.

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I respect your risk assessment, James. I was in London during the previous attack and all our haunts in Paris, including the "bad" north and visiting friends near the club massacre. I think the chance of getting killed by terrorists is somewhere near being hit by lightning.

I believe we share the same instincts for safety. Be damned if I allow ISIS to change our itineraries. My cousin Joan was leery of coming to London for lunch until I reminded her she was the Scottish daughter of Uncle Doug, a battle-hardened No. 2 Commando.

This is an unwinnable war. We'll take off some of the rough edges as we've done to the Mafia but danger and violence will always be with us. Live, live brightly to the end is my idea of existence.

I know what you are saying, King, but as tourists, they up the odds by being likely to be in the most tempting locales. When she took him to London last year, not surprisingly, they were all over the places that have been the sites of the vehicle attacks.

Go to Wales, go to the Scottish highlands or the Lake Country or Cornwall. Go to Normandy or Provence or Bordeaux. Just stay away from the obvious spots.

However, on a secondary level, lets just imagine that ALL tourists stopped going to London and Paris. How long do you think it would take for the authorities to get real about their past habit of inviting terrorists into their midst.

Of course it's a winnable war. Don't be such a pessimist. But to win it, we need to address reality, not some wishful place.

As KY Jon pointed out, we just need to get serious. We need to hold families and friends responsible. Yes, rights get trampled. Often is the case in a war. We need to make overt and tacit support for this ideology unbearable to all of the millions of Muslim who live in the West.

We need to actually bury their remains with pigs. We need to deport all family members. We need to execute those found colluding. We need to have zero tolerance for any level of Islamist fundamentalism. Want to believe in that?.....go to the backward nations that tolerate or support it. Want to be in the West? Get with the program.

This is not about the terrorists. They are criminal losers. Criminals do all sorts of horrible things in all sorts of places. It does not and should not prevent us from going about our normal business.

I for one shall continue to regularly go up to London, whenever and wherever I want to, which is a couple of times a week.

These bar stewards will not grind me down.

Tim

Don't be put off travel; that's what the terrorist want. i.e. they win! I'm an Englishman and will go wherever I want in my country terrorist or no terrorist! We've had it here more or less all my life from one lot or another. Stuff 'em! Lagopus.....

I think it may be time to simply stop calling it a religion and identifying it for what it truly is, a murderous criminal organization.

I don't care what the lunatic left wants us to believe. Islam has no desire to be inclusive, no desire to assimilate, no sense of tolerance, and is anything but peaceful.

Time and time again the civilized world bends over backwards to be tolerant of the most intolerant. You see what it gets us.

Tim, I respect and admire the British way of looking at it, punishing the creeps as any other criminals, any colour, any religion, before the courts.

A distinguished Canadian broadcaster said on national radio about 10 years ago the Roman Catholic Church is one of the world's biggest criminal organizations for its abuse of children.

There was no public blowback. No one of right mind would condemn the Church or its faithful parishioners for evil leaders hereabouts or Rome. They go to court like anyone else and take their lumps.

The Roman Catholic Church is not driving trucks and vans into crowds of innocent people.

The Lutherans are not walking into bars and dining areas slashing and stabbing innocent people.

The Methodists are not detonating home-made suitcase or back-pack bombs at venues.

And it sure wasn't the Mormons who shot up the night club in Orlando, or murdered their co-workers in San Bernardino.

True, OMW, and we don't condemn any of those religions for what some of their adherents do. The US for centuries immorally and unconstitutionally abused its black citizens until nearly all citizens were sickened by their actions. I don't recall any religion blamed for the perversion of human rights. I'm as pissed off as you are but won't blame Islam for its extremists. Every country has extremists.

Your equivocation and rationalization are worthy of one of the lesser nobel prizes, maybe like the immoral peace one. You're sounding like you are ready to accept some collateral inconvenience streaks in Canada. Here's hoping I'm wrong, but....?

But you should blame Islam, King. Islam has within it's holy texts a call to arms that specifies the extermination, one way or other, of non-believers. There has been no Reformation or Enlightenment, where the vast majority of adherents subscribe to a belief that theologians excised of it's more violent tendencies. The religion and the associated culture calls for a theocracy. The religion calls for the subjugation of women.

I mean, where do you get the idea that a few extremists, a very few, on the fringes of Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc can be compared or equated with the millions and millions of Muslims who support these concepts and who support the attacks on the western world?

This isn't the Costa Nostra,'Ndrangheta or a few bad apples. This is millions and millions of people.

We have had repeated attacks on our way of life for the whole of the 1200 some odd years Islam has been around.

You know of course that Mauritania officially ended slavery in 1981. And that despite that, slavery is still a problem. Mauritania would be an Islamic nation. ISLAMIC!

Tell me King, what do the countries of the world where slavery is still a problem, have in common? Here's a clue.....ISLAM!

So give up on the misdirect. It is, in fact, white Western men and women, including the US, who have done more to advance human rights, alleviate poverty, spread basic health care and step up when disaster strikes as well as help people throw off the yoke of despotic governments. You may feel guilt over that but it's true.

Additionally it has been the white, Western concept of democratic capitalism that has spread economic success over the last 30 year to the extent that several billion people have been pulled out of abject poverty. Not socialism. How's Venezuela doing?

We don't condemn those religions because when "some" of their adherents do something abhorrent, it is clear to all they represent a tiny minority of adherents and the rest of the religion finds their behavior repugnant. While the majority of Muslims around the world cheer the attacks on the West.

Forget it CB, Brown is obviously a confirmed liberal acolyte troll, and a (IMHO) demented old fool.
The sooner he meets with Lenny, the better.

Borrowing a page from the old "Seig Heil, Adolph playbook" there, Joe. Exterminating any existing race or religious group from the face of the world is not the way to end the terrorism sadly too often seen today-- All acts of terrorism are cowardly, children, women, older people, the suicide bombers could care less. I have a Muslim doctor for a neighbor, and he is cardiac specialist. If I got hit by the "widow-maker" the last thing I would care about is his religious beliefs--

Whatever others do or have done, James, it's not reasonable to equate the actions of jihadists with the values of the Islamic community as a whole.

But that's exactly what I'm suggesting is reasonable. There is plenty of evidence, in public opinion polls, in the Koran and in widespread anecdotally reported reaction across the Muslim world by journalists from every news gathering organization. You are just choosing to not face it, to wish for something different.

My question to you King would be what does it take to get you to see what is plain to those of us who started, not from a position of unwavering belief in what should be, but an open mind as to what is?

Well, it looks there are only two groups, the others and the islamic community. Sad, that the islamic community is unwilling to join the others, even if just for some superficial show.

Since you insist that they be carved out with special privilege, and they are not of the 'others', aren't jihadists part of the 'islamic community as a whole'? Of course their values could be spun as different, but it seems you're laying the responsibility of community behavior at the foot of just one group. Why are they doing such a poor job of it, or are they?

The so called Islamic religion should not receive protection by our US Constitution...

Freedom of Religion means just what it implies Freedom to believe in Religion or Freedom to not.

The Muslim so called faith doesn't allow for Freedom of Religion....convert or die.

This fight needs to go to the US Supreme Court.

There are 1.7 billion of 'them' CB. You and the boys better get started. I hope you are the first one to take action, and prove that your not all talk and no action. Start with your closest neighbor. Go ahead CB do it. Oh, and start forcing your kids and grand kids to take action too.

Well we all know you do not have the moral conscience to 'actually' take action CB, because we all know you really don't agree with some here.

james and craigd, these fanatics know they can't change the world with hunting knives and sacks of nuts and bolts and explosives. They're trying to destabilize the West's institutions, our democratic values of moderation and human rights.

From some responses here it appears a few of us are swallowing the jihadist strategy. It's not surprising. Countries often decide freely to smash their governments, start all over again, and end up with an authoritarian thug.

Reason usually prevails.The US dismantled the Weathermen in the 60s without fuss. Canada same time impulsively invoked the War Measures Act, rooting hundreds of citizens from their homes in the night, during the Quebec crisis.

Keep cool. Germany is the moral and muscle of Europe today. It was the last country under an authoritarian thug to try to rid the world of a religious faith by gas, garrotting, meat hooks, executions and buried alive.

Y'know, like some are advocating here.

What some here are advocating is the abolishment of a mid evil cult hiding behind our constitution.

There may not be any real anserwers to this problem but one thing I am certain of is that sitting around a camp fire, toasting marshmallows and singing kumbaya is not one of them which means the entire liberal side of our country will be of no help. People who say we should consider anything from the attackers viewpoint are part of the problem not any part of the solution.

It just may be hard line Muslims will never fit in anywhere they are not in total control. If their primary goal is the spread of Islam, by force if need be, they will never become part of any country they migrate to other than as invaders. If you have a group of immigrants who refuse to assemulate and fit into the country they are immigrating into you can not allow them free access to your country. Instead of religion of Islam substitute cannibalism as the driving force of a group of immigrants and see how people feel about open borders. Extreme positions which will not change after migration should disqualify anyone from being allowed to come into a country. You can't eat my family or attempt to kill them if they fail to bend to your religion. Close the borders if you must but protect your people.

A page or two back, I was wondering if you would accept the current trend of euro slam-n-hack in Canada in the name of progress. Apparently, yes?

As echoed in these hallowed chambers before, these folks are always 'known to authorities'. In the blink of an eye, their 'network' is arrested, after the fact. Why not violate their rights and harass them, and their buddies, ahead of time. What good is a jihadist if they splash their face on the news and whine about racism, like a snowflake activist?

Take an example such as berkley vs. Ohio State. The first is letting their 'students' wreck probably millions of dollars of property, while the other calmly told their 'protesters' that they would be arrested and expelled for breaking their student code of conduct and the law. Where do you think the next cupcakes for progress are being weaned? Just kidding, they'll always be linked to the teat.

You did notice germany's morals are wagging the dog. It's sad, eh? Of anyone, you must be aware that germany just assumed the roll of world, not just european, leader? Isn't that a slight against the last US fellow who thuggishly invoked race to insulate himself against questions that climate change, and not isolate criminality, cause horrendous atrocities against innocents. Maybe, you're both wrong?

King, the Weathermen and the FLQ were small potatoes compared to the Islamists. Not comparable at all. Kind like 20 to 100 people compared to millions. Closing the border is quite different that Hitler's final solution. Executing terrorists is quite different than gassing school girls. As is usually the case, you are grasping at straws if you have to resort to a Nazi comparison.

Dal, I'm not exactly sure what "action" you think I personally should take or am advocating.

What I am advocating is our government take the harshest measures when confronted by terrorism. That means executing the perps and deporting all family members. Immediately. It also means closing the border to those Muslims who have no interest in joining the modern world because of their fundamentalist beliefs.

And deporting those we have allowed in who step off the straight and narrow immediately. That means no woman in a black bag following 5 paces behind, no female genital mutilation, no imam at the local mosque advocating violent takeover of the corrupt and immoral west.

I have never advocated the extermination of Muslims, only the removal of any hint of objection to our way of life from immigrants. Don't like it....don't come here.

The extremist's theology gives them an automatic place in heaven, if they are killed in carrying it out. What we need to do is study the religion and find out what will, in their mind, keep them out of heaven. Then, we have to make them understand that when they are killed in an attack, they will be prevented from going to heaven and receiving their 72 virgins. This will require us to withstand the liberal's insistence that they be handled in accordance with their religion.
Mike

Mostly agree CB. I would also make arrests under reasonable grounds more leanient. Paris has for example, 1500 people on a terrorist watch list. Seriously! Pick them up and remove them a.s.a.p. I dispise the fact that KNOWN gangsters, mobsters, drug dealers and other urban terrorists walk freely until they get caught in the act.

I believe in due process but I also believe in profiling.

Yup.

I just spent 3 weeks shooting and touring in central Europe. I got in this morning.
I was outside Manchester when the bombing occurred, then I was in Paris when the knife attacks occurred.

I am still processing my experience.

Over all, at this time anyway, I enjoyed the trip.
When I was able to suspend reality, it was very good.

I can say, as an American traveler, We (the typical US citizen) are not European. Our two societies have evolved along different paths.
Do not project whatever your personal viewpoints are onto the European people. To make pronouncements about what amounts to another ethnic cleansing on a website is ignorant.

In case you can't remember, We backed the Muslims when the Serbs started murdering them about 30 years ago.

Continental Europe is a mixed society that slaughtered 50 million of their own residents about 75 years ago. Their daily lives bear no resemblance to ours. Their aspirations are not American aspirations.
They live in apartments, in cities, by and large. They pay high taxes, they ride public transportation. They have health clinics. Trains are a blessing when they go where you want them to.
The population seems mostly young. And very tolerant.


They do not like having squads of soldiers carrying automatic weapons, walking all over Paris. As an American, where that is forbidden, it's an eye opener.
Experiencing a mobilization while photographing the Eiffel tower, seemed surreal. First Sirens, then shouting, squads aggregating, troops deploying, orders being shouted.
People being crowd managed.

It's like an endless Jason Bourne movie.
FWIW, The subway walls are touting Noomi Rapace as the new female Jason Bourne.

The people of Europe are not going to start killing their Moslem neighbors on tv for the enjoyment of cowboy Americans.

Again, it's a mixed, diverse, culturally accepting, generally tolerant, society.

Seriously, you better get started. I hope you're the first to take action and not just talk about it. Start with all your neighbors, and throw your kids and grandkids in just for laughs. Well, we all know here that your feelings just won't allow you take action, because of the cancer of pc. Just kidding, it's only a little 'small' talk.

Good post CZ. More people should travel.

Not voting liberal will be my first step.

So, the faux euro outrage is just piped over here to make money off of the blood thirsty American pig? I would bet that family, friends and close acquaintances of the victims would hurt just like any ole crude American. I'd bet the folks that escaped injury but were present will be haunted by nightmares like any ole unsophisticated American. Good to hear they've come to accept these routines.

My observations are just that.
The UK isn't going to suspend the rule of law to accommodate
American bloodlust.

It's quite strange making an effort to talk to people on the continent and hearing the same questions asked of me over and over. They clearly see the US as afar more dangerous, far more violent, place, than their own communities.
I suppose many there are as work hardened regarding terrorist attacks, as we have become to our own urban murder rates.

James, what you're advocating is what Canada has now, all constitutional within the rule of law, applicable to all, including immigrants. The slammer if you and I are convicted, deportation for any immigrant. We don't discriminate on religion, and apparently not the Americans under their constitution.

I'd think it would be possible to point out how our cultures aren't so different after all. Maybe, they could understand that the same agendas that created urban toilets, created their slam-n-slash? They are fortunate in that they are free of urban ghettos to steer clear of.

I don't think it's unreasonable to note that cultures are different. It seems to me to be a 'discussion' about tolerance. My hope would have been that you said joe continental average is getting fed up, but apparently not.

Don't underestimate the toughness and character of a nation island that had 30,000 civilians killed and 50,000 injured in an 8 months period of time in London during The Blitz of 1940.

No King, what I'm advocating is not what we have now.

We have our PM Trudeau virtue signalling with every public statement, working hard to bring over as many barely vetted Muslims as he can. We do not have capital punishment, we do not deport family members of terrorists. We protect the right of Muslim men to treat their women in the most degrading and soul destroying way. We protect the right of imams to preach against all that has created the society we now live in. We encourage an anti western mindset by holding up our now discredited "multicultural" society as somehow to be aspired to.

This is a cancer and rather than cutting it out and undergoing chemo and radiation, we are nurturing it's growth. Total insanity.

When the shit hits the fan, I want these guys on my side!

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Most urban murders are business related, drug business related. Turf wars, attempts to grab cash or drugs in hopes of a quick score or setting accounts for over due payment or perceived personal slights. To outsiders it seems random but to insiders it does not. In some ways it's street justice not crime. To them. To outsiders overseas it must seem like the Wild West fiction but if you don't go into the .000001% of areas which heavy drug trade happens the US is no more unsafe than Africa is from lion attacks.

I used to see it that way Jon.
Then my SIL, who is a young person of the world, suggested that I should look at the stats for where they live, and then stats for where I live.

I started thinking about whether there was any truth behind the Euro view of the US.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Netherlands/United-States/Crime

Trudeau is signalling generosity and responsibility to take in refugees and immigrants on a gnat's scale compared to the Europeans who have them in the millions. Canada does not have capital punishment as most civilized societies. We do not deport family members because we do not apply it to innocent Canadians. We do not protect the "right" to abuse Muslims or of any other faith or any person; it's against the law. Some Canadians admire our multicultural experiment, as I do, some don't but that's with everything in a democratic society. We're not doing badly by it; Canada lead every G7 country economically in 1st quarter.The young and old hereabouts think Trudeau was made in heaven. I didn't vote for him.

King what would do with someone on the terror watch list? A canadian muslim that goes to Libya and is high risk? Just keep watching them until they do something unspeakable, or interveen and stop something from happening?

To many times I hear that the terrorists were 'known to authorities'.

Trudeau is an intellectual lightweight, an emperor with no clothes and his government is charging headlong into disasters of every type.

The fact that European nations are committing social and cultural suicide is no reason for us to follow.

I'm suggesting the threat to our civilization is different now that at any time in the recent past and we are fools for not recognizing it and taking appropriate steps.

I'm saying we should re-instate capital punishment to deal with terrorists.

I'm saying we should change our laws to deport anyone who had anything to do with a Islamic terrorist as a method of indicating to those people just how serious we take the problem and intolerant we are towards those who would drag us back to the stone age.

You probably don't see this much in Antigonish but it's a little more common in the GTA. the black bags shuffling around behind the western dressed Islamic man. It's disgusting and despite it being a CULTURAL habit, not a RELIGIOUS habit, the abusers hide behind freedom to practice their religion as a legal defense.

Young people in my area and your area have the freedom to be stupid and admire Trudeau. I can't help youthful ignorance.

Multiculturalism is a disaster, as is the far reaching, ever grasping nanny state that promotes it.

You voted for an even bigger idiot, Elizabeth May. I can't help that either.

And finally, my response was to indicate to you and anyone else reading this that despite your initial assertion, those things I was advocating are not the current law of the land in Canada.

The netherlands? So what did you conclude when you started thinking about it?

Well CB, Canada is far from being a "disaster". However, I do believe our constitution, laws, lawyers, human rights commissions and general political correctness greatly assist anyone willing to take themselves and everyone around them out.

King, I often disagree with you but always admire your voice of calm reason. However, to call Germany Europe's moral authority is bizarre, not reasonable, especially from someone who remembers the 1940's. As Tom Lehrer sang, "We taught them a lesson in 1918 and they have hardly bothered us since then".

Germans will always be Germans, with their arrogance and their overweening certainty of the ubervolks' superiority. Their current lunatic leader may have invited the entire Muslim world to invade Europe, but the they will be back, with their gas, garrotes and meathooks. A rearming Germany's 'muscle' is far more frightening for the world than the jihadists and the Russians put together.

Dal, give Little Potato some time. His puppet masters, Katie Telford and Gerald Butts, having screwed Ontario, are only warming up.

I was thinking of Germany today, LGF. Wherever they are in the world today, they're the loudest like the Americans used to be, and often hard to love. We seem to be in the same pew there. There seems a surpassing and genuine nobless oblige which I admire from the pastor's daughter. More than anything for me is how it faced up to its past with generous reparations and opened its borders to all comers in its first post-war constitution until the invasion of jobless and dispossessed led to amendments, as it is doing now with refugees. I haven't seen a rearming muscle, if anything the opposite, and they chose the most peaceful sector of Afghanistan and Canada the toughest. I doubt a duelling scar among them.

Hey, James, Gerald Butts is a Bay Boy, assigned by Trudeau to button-down Bannon. Good choice, don't you think? And I'm no Liberal.

Don't kid yourself King. Butts assigned Trudeau the job of figurehead. It's Butt's government.

Give me a break.
You are a Troll, and a Liberal.

Hmmm, it's Canada's policy to meddle in foreign affairs at the highest level. Good thing you folks don't have a conservative at the helm. Otherwise, you'd be our little putin on the northern border. Boy, I remember the good ole days when lefties would name their kids after soviet super heros. Is it okay to hum macedonian marching music, or is that offensive?

A "war" on terror should be conducted like a war--surviel, infiltrate mosques, deport, do NOT allow combatants for ISIS to return-if they do return shoot them for treason. Execute the non uniformed combatants in Guantanamo. If Islam is peaceful, how come everyone is afraid to criticize it...if Christianity is violent, why does every leftist feel free to take a shot at it? And why do we obsess over a few dozen dead in London, and never raise our voices for the five hundred thousand Christians in recent years exterminated in the middle east? We are about as weak as they think we are. We should show them no mercy. I wonder, will it take a thousand terrorist attacks before you decide you have to run them out of your country after all? They have been at war with the west since the days of Thomas Jefferson and the shores of Tripoli. And Sharia systematically opposes the bill of rights! Google it up line by line. Temporary cease fire of rant...Steve

BTW Poland has had zero terrorist incidents...as they have allowed zero Muslim refugee/immigrants...think on it.

Steve, I think of the United States of America, which welcomed everyone: poor, rich, Jews, Muslims, Poles made fun of for an assumed coarseness although they were indefatigable in spirit, muscle and skill. They all made an empire the world had never seen, innovative, prosperous, striving for the equality its founders planned for. Walls and doors never worked anywhere.