Keeping future prospects in mind it would seem smart to have guns able to accept ammo commonly found on sporting goods shelves and not have to rely on ordering stuff from far away. Anyhow in common calibers even in many EU countries all you need to buy ammo is gun permit handy to show them when buying. Such rules are designed to keep ammo away from people who should not have guns.
....Such rules are designed to keep ammo away from people who should not have guns.
How come there aren't any rules to keep pot out of the hands of people who should not have pot? Maybe, folks should just smoke the common kind of pot so they can get it easily at the corner store. But wait, no background check needed for pot. Good thinking Jm, I feel better now.
....Such rules are designed to keep ammo away from people who should not have guns.
How come there aren't any rules to keep pot out of the hands of people who should not have pot? Maybe, folks should just smoke the common kind of pot so they can get it easily at the corner store. But wait, no background check needed for pot. Good thinking Jm, I feel better now.
Legalizing pot is a way of collecting tax money where none would be had if pot was illegal. Frankly given dire financial situation in many jurisdictions in this country pot use should be legal everywhere. You know, like use of alcoholic beverages and tobacco.
I was in San Francisco for Christmas, visiting the kids. Saw a TV interview with the acting mayor, during which she said the city is trying to come up with a way to give preferential treatment for pot licenses and pot shop jobs to those who had been prosecuted under the old laws. Affirmative Action for dopers! What a state, always looking out for the criminals.
Buying ammunition in California is going to be a problem
Not "going to be," already is a problem. Yesterday, some (all?) Walmarts posted notices stating that they are temporarily prevented from selling ammo because of state regulatory issues. "Please check back later." At least one Walmart, in Redding between Sacramento and the Oregon border, was reported to have posted a notice stating they would no longer be selling ammo. Redding is in the boonies, in the middle of prime hunting country.
Right to Bear Arms; but no mention of the ammo that goes with them. Sounds like reloading will become more popular. Lagopus.....
that is the hole in many of these states- i keep expecting them to come down on supplies
if (big if with my memory) there was a challenge many years ago to an attempted ammo ban in some jurisdiction - may have been Chicago- a total ban was decided to violate the second amendment - these mail order bans and such license regulations may effectively be a ban - but are not presented as one- so they might stand
....Legalizing pot is a way of collecting tax money where none would be had if pot was illegal. Frankly given dire financial situation in many jurisdictions in this country pot use should be legal everywhere. You know, like use of alcoholic beverages and tobacco.
This is great news. What else can we tax for the good of the jurisdiction? When it comes to ammo, how come some of the folks that live there think it's an incremental back door ban?
With 30% of the population at the poverty level depending on Uncle Sugar for benefits Sacramento should just go ahead and legalize crack, heroin, etc. Why stop at pot? I also see where more freebies are being batted around. A little more effort and the entire state could be turned into Baltimore.
Baltimore was a nice city until the late 60's when people started to flee to the suburbs. Then it became 90% Democratic, black, and they people of Baltimore all decided working was not for them. There are no big cities in the US run by the give it all away party, Democratic to non tax payers, that I would ever consider living in under any circumstances except jail confinement in a few of them. Our jail prisoners have cable in their cells, Skype on a cell monitor and internet access from their cells. Add on free medical care and food. No wonder no one fears jail here.
When one party wins all the elections there is no one to keep them honest. So they can just give away going ever deeper in debt. That's today's Baltimore 90% black, run by blacks. demanding their fair share of everyone else's money. California is going downhill the same way. A friend explained it to me 40 years ars ago when he said all the normal people were moving out of California as fast as they could. Then he said what was left would be Socialist, Communist and Democrats if you could seperate them. Now I add in a few libertarians as well.
"When one party wins all the elections" seems to overlook who's in the WH. California was a failed state under the Republicans. It's come back dramatically under a Democratic administration. Ky Jon is like all the Republicans these days. All he cares about is paying less in taxes. Never mind the condition of ordinary folks. As more and more of the country's wealth is in the hands of the 1%, let's all cheer for the new tax reform. There is certainly no one to keep the Republicans honest. They've raised lying to a new level. They represent the finest government money can buy.
"When one party wins all the elections" seems to overlook who's in the WH. California was a failed state under the Republicans. It's come back dramatically under a Democratic administration. Ky Jon is like all the Republicans these days. All he cares about is paying less in taxes. Never mind the condition of ordinary folks. As more and more of the country's wealth is in the hands of the 1%, let's all cheer for the new tax reform. There is certainly no one to keep the Republicans honest. They've raised lying to a new level. They represent the finest government money can buy.
Bill, thanks for the first really good laugh of 2018.
California was a failed state under the Republicans.
California has never been what any rational observer would call a "failed state." It has consistently overcome the bumbling and fumbling and stumbling of its governments, and has been successful in spite of those governments. Great natural resources, great climate, deep water ports on the Pacific Rim, massive agricultural and natural resource production, etc. Even the worst government (which we seemingly are suffering under right now) has a hard time overcoming all those advantages. But the current crowd is giving it a good try, inviting illegals, driving out a lot of the productive actual citizens and taxpayers, and simply spending too much of other peoples' money while they trample on our constitutional rights.
I was in San Francisco for Christmas, visiting the kids. Saw a TV interview with the acting mayor, during which she said the city is trying to come up with a way to give preferential treatment for pot licenses and pot shop jobs to those who had been prosecuted under the old laws. Affirmative Action for dopers! What a state, always looking out for the criminals.
They do this because they're smart. It is far better to give them chance at making a living and be productive members of society instead of committing crimes and ending up in jail again which costs taxpayers a lot of money.
What Rocky Mountain Bill Ferguson is lamenting is the slowing pace of income redistribution under the current administration. The top 1% pay 45.7% of all personal income taxes while the bottom 80% pay about 15%. In a recent rant of mine directed at other fuzzy thinking on this board I pointed out the bonuses and capital investment pledged by US companies as a result of new tax reform. That’s good news. I would offer up, however, that a goodly number of the top 1% are no friend of Republicans, but they will enjoy the benefits of tax reform like everyone else. If that disturbs their collective consciousness they should chip in a little extra so they can sleep at night. I would recommend they review the most (in) famous of the progressive charities, the Clinton Foundation, for tips on giving to the most needy.
"Smart" is not a word that has been associated with SF government for a long, long, time. I give you a pass on a lot of issues, but I'm losing faith in your acumen.
Republicans left California a long ago. NY as well. Complete Democratic control for years. You may have pockets of republicans but not very many anymore. So trying to blame California's state on them, is unfair. Is it fair to be mad when one state refuses to enforce immigration laws but turns around and demands money to help pay for all the expenses illegal immigrants cost? 2/3 of your prison population is Hispanic. Your immigrants cost far more than they produce. Get your immigration problem under control. You can't invite them all in to live with you and expect everyone else to pay for it.
So if you are blaming Republicans in the rest of the country for not sending more money to California to fix a problem they created for themselves you are a nut. If you thought Republicans only would like cheap labor you need to update your thinking. Gone are the days of 100% union members being and supporting the Democratic Party. A few still do like teachers and government employees but most of the working trades are much more conservative. They might be registered as Democratic but when that current closes they don't vote that way.
As to tax reform my savings are trivial. The big money is in hedge funds, stocks and investments. Mine is mostly in land which has taken me 49 years to acquire and improve and kids educations. If I were in the 1% I'd be getting fitted by H&H for a couple matched pairs not working full time at my age.
....California was a failed state under the Republicans. It's come back dramatically under a Democratic administration....
....There is certainly no one to keep the Republicans honest. They've raised lying to a new level. They represent the finest government money can buy.
Bill, I don't think you've been to cali recently. A few years back, I visited an elderly aunt in the anahiem area. Her neighborhood was a nice middle class area, it's beat now. Very poor infrastructure maintenance. There's an operating mall near her covered with graffiti, most of the exterior windows are bordered up and tons of vacancies in it. But hey, I'm sure there are a few nicer areas.
The current administration gets hammered by the 'press' 24/7. Don't you think all lies from the current President are gone over with a fine tooth comb. The real point to this is to ask, when are you going to keep the democrats honest? If lying were an olympic sport, the dems wouldn't qualify, they'd demand an exception, wouldn't they?
We've already 'discussed' what transplanted cali dems are doing to Western Montana. Good folks, salt of the earth, or filthy rich progressives putting property values out of the reach of your grandkids. No, not yours personally, just all the rest of the regular folks.
Hi Ted, When I moved here from New York in '73 it was a haven. No income tax, reasonable real estate tax, real estate less costly compared to New York. Now it has the highest taxes in the country and close to the most expensive real estate in the country. I made a good living doing what my handle name says. I would move in a minute if my kids had not established themselves here. A fellow who earned his living here and bought a home could move to another state with lower real estate prices and taxes and do well. The gun laws alone............need I say more.
These Kalifornians who are here whining are the same guys who have in the past been very critical of the NRA and Pro-2nd Amendment Republicans. They are getting exactly what they deserve.
It's no surprise to see rocky mtn bill jumping in to dishonestly blame the slide of Kalifornia into the sewer of Socialism on the Republicans. This is one of our Libtard FUDD's who actually think you can consider yourself pro-gun while supporting and voting for the most extreme anti-gunners who populate the modern day Leftist Democrat Party. Bill has been caught numerous times posting absolute lies and has either excused them as mere mistakes, or more frequently, simply disappeared when corrected. This is also the same little turd who recently accused me of lying about the lubrication for an MMC Electric Checkering tool.
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Keith, In reviewing some of our posts, I came across my request for advice about lubricating an MMC checkering tool. You responded to say that you knew what lubricant was needed but that you wouldn't share that information with someone like me. Later you posted a question about who sharpened the cutters for that tool. I posted the name and address of the company. PS: For anyone needing the lubrication data, the answer is none needed. Perhaps Keith knew that. Perhaps he was merely lying.
No Bill, I was not lying. The tiny gearbox was originally lubricated with a special grease intended for high speed dental tools, and the now deceased owner of MMC, Jon Doiron offered a repair service to replace that grease if the handpiece began running hot. Like any grease, it dried out and deteriorated over time. I still have a letter from him on his letterhead to prove it... if you'd like to make a very substantial wager. We could let Dave Weber judge its' authenticity. It took me quite a bit of time to find a suitable replacement lubricant, and it was rather expensive stuff. I still have no desire to share that information with anyone who stabs us in the back by supporting anti-gunners. Of course, most dental drills now run at much higher rpm than the 17,000 max rpm of an MMC tool, and they use a synthetic oil instead of a grease. If you are stupid enough to run those tiny precision gears and bearings under load at up to 17,000 input rpm from a Foredom CC without any lubrication, go right ahead. You're obviously dumber than I thought.
By the way, accusing me of stooping to your level was a very lame and low class way to back away from your latest lie about the Republican Party not doing anything to help the little guy since Lincoln. You are more pathetic than ever.
Predictably, Bill did not respond to my substantial wager challenge. Nor did he respond to facts I posted about numerous things the Republican Party has done for women, minorities, and "the little guy. He did what he normally does, and slipped out the back door.
One thing that will not change in 2018... or ever... is that Libtards cannot stand the truth.
Yes, the 1%ers pay a lot of taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they since they own all the wealth? It isn't possible to wring more taxes from those who don't have a pot to piss in. I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
"We've already 'discussed' what transplanted cali dems are doing to Western Montana. Good folks, salt of the earth, or filthy rich progressives putting property values out of the reach of your grandkids. "
I'm from Canada and each year hunt turkey in western Montana. I couldn't agree more with the above statement. The transplants from Cali are less than likeable and some are down right disagreeable. Haven't had one let me hunt on their land and one got real nasty and sicked the border patrol on us.
The area is real nice and one year I spent some time looking at investing in a property. I soon came to realize the prices were quite inflated and I backed off.
As of yesterday, no more mail order ammo of any kind, delivered directly to the customer. It must be shipped to an FFL for delivery. This is an obvious burden for vintage gun users. July 1 of 2019, in order to purchase ammo of any kind, you will have to buy a license for a $50 fee, and for each purchase submit to a thumbprint and background check. The dealer can charge up to $10 to process each transaction. This applies to any quantity of purchase, yes, one cartridge. 2019, will also see a complete 100% lead ban, including game preserves. Individuals, in the business of selling ammo, not guns, are out of business until the DOJ figures how to regulate them under the new law. I could go on, but as you can see Ca. is a lost cause when it comes to enjoying your second amendment rights without hassle. A couple more years until retirement, and you will see a trail of dust (do to the draught)as I exit this Lib. hell hole.
How about this one, Governor Moonbeam just announced, that if you are a convicted felon illegal alien, you will be pardoned, so as not to be required to be handed over to the Feds. Illegal, pardoned, US citizen, rot in jail.
"We've already 'discussed' what transplanted cali dems are doing to Western Montana. Good folks, salt of the earth, or filthy rich progressives putting property values out of the reach of your grandkids. "
I'm from Canada and each year hunt turkey in western Montana. I couldn't agree more with the above statement. The transplants from Cali are less than likeable and some are down right disagreeable. Haven't had one let me hunt on their land and one got real nasty and sicked the border patrol on us.
The area is real nice and one year I spent some time looking at investing in a property. I soon came to realize the prices were quite inflated and I backed off.
Not just Montana, they have pretty much ruined where I live as well, they sell their inflated California property, though I don't know who the hell would actually want to live there, come here and buy property, my own children can't afford top live here now, and the first thing they do is try to turn this little valley into California.
Just a few weeks ago while trying to find a noise in my son's truck we were followed by this guy, a move in from California, he asked us if we were lost, "no just trying to find a noise in the truck" he said ok, people come down here and poach, I said no kidding people come right down here and shoot deer, there are a few deer in the area, he said no they go down there, pointing to the river bottoms, and poach ducks, we tried to explain to him that it is duck season, and it is legal, in his pea sizes brain it was still poaching.
Yes, the 1%ers pay a lot of taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they since they own all the wealth? It isn't possible to wring more taxes from those who don't have a pot to piss in. I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
No Bill, Donald Trump doesn't run a multi-billion dollar money laundering operation like the anti-gun Clinton's you admire so much. Here's a bit of information about how Bill and Hill are "alleviating human suffering..."
But why bother? It's already well established that you aren't the least bit interested in facts. I'm still waiting for an apology after you alluded to the notion that I was lying about the lubrication of MMC Checkering Tools. Or you could back up your sleazy comment about me by accepting my challenge to a very substantial wager. But that would require a spine and some courage of convictions which you are seriously lacking. And we're still waiting for you to comment on which party was responsible for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, The 1965 Voting Rights Act, the 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote, the OSHA Act protecting workers, etc., etc. You did say that Republicans haven't done a thing for the little guy since Lincoln was President. Are you interested in facts, or are you only interested in telling lies and spreading DNC propaganda?
Well, we all know the answer to that one. Every time you make your political commentary in support of your precious anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, you get caught telling lies and spreading misinformation. Then you typically slip out the back door when you can't back up your latest pile of bullshit. You can deny it, but anyone who would be inclined to believe you could see for themselves by going back and reading our little exchange in the "Per Obama: A Failed Presidency" thread from 12/2016. You can go here and follow our little exchange where you engaged in your usual dishonesty about the Republicans, beginning with your post # 465322, and ending with my final response in post #465419.
...And then you put your tail between your legs and ran off as you have done so often. I could re-post more of it here for you if you'd like everyone to see what a dishonest Liberal Left turd you are. But then everyone would see that you are only interested in your agenda driven bullshit.
The topic is Kalifornians who allowed their gun rights to be screwed with by Libtard Democrats and Fudd's like you Bill. Try to stay on topic.
I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
Yes, the 1%ers pay a lot of taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they since they own all the wealth? It isn't possible to wring more taxes from those who don't have a pot to piss in. I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
Yes, the 1%ers pay a lot of taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they since they own all the wealth? It isn't possible to wring more taxes from those who don't have a pot to piss in. I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
Alleviation of human suffering takes many forms. The left equates this in large part to charity. In 2014 the Trump organization employed over 22,000, according to a 2015 CNN article. In the hospitality industry there is something called a multiplier effect which in this case is 1.4x. The multiplier effect results from jobs associated with his properties, like commercial tenants. This means that the real impact of Trump at year end 2014 was over 30,000 jobs. Not bad. Furthermore, in this country if you don’t have a pot to piss in you don’t pay income taxes. Only about one half of the population pays income tax. This number will increase as the economy grows and more people are employed. A rising tide lifts all boats. In terms of wringing more taxes from people, just ask our friends from California about how that feels. The libs think there is a bottomless pit of money and all they have to do is raise rates and the money flows. Taxpayer patience and money will eventually run out. I hate these threads because they distract from the real reason we are here, but recent changes in California ammo rules will make felons out of honest men and so the discussion continues.
The only thing the Clinton Foundation has done is line the pockets of the Clintons. Typical phones charity with high overall head providing cushy over paid jobs to friend and family. Since bribery is frowned on they just have the money sent to a "charity" they control. Don't be a kool aid drinker and fall for their claims of doing everything for the children. Everything they ever do is to bring them money and power. Everything.
"We've already 'discussed' what transplanted cali dems are doing to Western Montana. Good folks, salt of the earth, or filthy rich progressives putting property values out of the reach of your grandkids. "
I'm from Canada and each year hunt turkey in western Montana. I couldn't agree more with the above statement. The transplants from Cali are less than likeable and some are down right disagreeable. Haven't had one let me hunt on their land and one got real nasty and sicked the border patrol on us.
The area is real nice and one year I spent some time looking at investing in a property. I soon came to realize the prices were quite inflated and I backed off.
those darn Montana folk have got to stop selling land to those cali folks. same problem in Ontario. the country folk keep selling land to city folk...then complain that city folk are ruining the country side. as for driving up prices...start selling the land at half the going rate so country kids can afford it!
While the future does not look particularly promising I would wait until after mid-term elections to see how the things are shaping up. I will not try to give anyone advice on this, but I will only look at guns to buy for which commercial ammunition is readily available at local level.
If it makes you fill better you can stop buying products coming out of California. I went shopping and ended up buying good number of local products including: milk, quail eggs, duck eggs, buckwheat honey, rye bread, bacon,.....The strained tomatoes came from Italy mineral water from Slovenia, canned sprats from Latvia and yogurt from Canada. Remember many on here live here which means we live in one of the 50 smaller countries comprising one large one so whenever possible be sure to buy products made in your own state first. The first allegiance should ALWAYS go to the state of your primary residence.
But you don't really buy guns Jagermeister. You merely put them on Layaway or 24 hour hold. Then you lie to us and tell us about your new acquisition, but later back out of the deal without taking possession of the gun.
With that Remington 870 Police Magnum pump gun, you went so far as to tell us how effective the recoil pad was on a gun you never actually shot. That's why it's so amusing to see yo repeatedly making posts about buying up all of the bismuth shotshells at your local Cabelas. You don't even hunt.
Post #476286 3/27/17
Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
At one time or another but not at same time I had several guns on layaway. A 20ga Ithaca NID, Ithaca Deluxe Solid Rib ca.1955, 16ga Browning Citori, Remington 870 Police Magnum. I have chosen not to complete sale on any of those. My last gun I bought was 16ga Remington 1100 with 26" barrel.
And you still don't own even one lousy double gun. But you still feel the pathetic need to be an internet pretender. Your presence in this thread is appropriate however, because you are another Libtard who proudly voted for Obama and other anti-gun Democrats, but are too stupid to make the connection between that, and gun control and ammunition bans.
Depending on candidate sometimes I vote for Democrat and sometimes for Republican depending which will likely serve my interests better.
Oh yes this morning I bought seven boxes of #5s for $106.07.
Sure you did Jagermeister! Lot's of people who don't hunt, and who are planning to move back to the Old Country are stocking up on bismuth shotshells.
I don't believe your crap about sometimes voting for Republicans either. The only way Obama served anyone's interests is if they were an illegal alien or a welfare case... which may apply to you, come to think of it. You've been a reliable supporter of anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats for as long as you've made political commentary here. You bashed Trump numerous times prior to the election. It was only after he won that you began claiming that you voted for him. Do you really think you can repeatedly lie to us, and still have a shred of credibility?
Well, people do have short memories. That's why I help you by frequently reminding everyone about the many lies you post here. No need to thank me.
Now try to stay on topic and stick to how Libtards like you screwed up hunting and shooting in Kalifornia.
Here's something else to chew on: Effective January 1, a new California law forbids employers from giving voluntary consent allowing an immigration enforcement officer to enter a "nonpublic area of a place of labor" unless the officer has a judicial warrant. http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/31/can-california-stop-employers-from-conse
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The new law, called the Immigrant Worker Protection Act, includes the following new text:
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(a) Except as otherwise required by federal law, an employer, or a person acting on behalf of the employer, shall not provide voluntary consent to an immigration enforcement agent to enter any nonpublic areas of a place of labor. This section does not apply if the immigration enforcement agent provides a judicial warrant. . . .
(c) This section shall not preclude an employer or person acting on behalf of an employer from taking the immigration enforcement agent to a nonpublic area, where employees are not present, for the purpose of verifying whether the immigration enforcement agent has a judicial warrant, provided no consent to search nonpublic areas is given in the process.
I guess the "public"/"nonpublic" distinction is to let them eat in restaurants and buy gas and such, in the "public" parts of the businesses.
There were 903 new laws that went into effect in CA a couple days ago. 99.9% of them are complete bullshit. They do this every year, and it just gets worse.
We do have a glut of mega-rich folks from elsewhere who buy great tracts of land here, build their trophy homes. and try to fence the rest of us out. They're often surprised to learn that the peons have access to the trout steams they thought they'd bought. Montana is not Texas. Our public lands make recreation available to everyone. We're a red state, but we value what we have enough to defend it against the Conservaturds who would sell it to the highest bidder.
It appears that you choose to keep going off-topic, and wish to keep telling lies about which party and political system is most apt to oppress, restrict, or infringe upon gun and hunting rights Bill.
So here's a replay of my post from earlier this morning, which you predictably avoided like the plague. Libtards and Fudd's like you are not part of the problem Billy. You really are the problem.
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Yes, the 1%ers pay a lot of taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they since they own all the wealth? It isn't possible to wring more taxes from those who don't have a pot to piss in. I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
No Bill, Donald Trump doesn't run a multi-billion dollar money laundering operation like the anti-gun Clinton's you admire so much. Here's a bit of information about how Bill and Hill are "alleviating human suffering..."
But why bother? It's already well established that you aren't the least bit interested in facts. I'm still waiting for an apology after you alluded to the notion that I was lying about the lubrication of MMC Checkering Tools. Or you could back up your sleazy comment about me by accepting my challenge to a very substantial wager. But that would require a spine and some courage of convictions which you are seriously lacking. And we're still waiting for you to comment on which party was responsible for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, The 1965 Voting Rights Act, the 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote, the OSHA Act protecting workers, etc., etc. You did say that Republicans haven't done a thing for the little guy since Lincoln was President. Are you interested in facts, or are you only interested in telling lies and spreading DNC propaganda?
Well, we all know the answer to that one. Every time you make your political commentary in support of your precious anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, you get caught telling lies and spreading misinformation. Then you typically slip out the back door when you can't back up your latest pile of bullshit. You can deny it, but anyone who would be inclined to believe you could see for themselves by going back and reading our little exchange in the "Per Obama: A Failed Presidency" thread from 12/2016. You can go here and follow our little exchange where you engaged in your usual dishonesty about the Republicans, beginning with your post # 465322, and ending with my final response in post #465419.
...And then you put your tail between your legs and ran off as you have done so often. I could re-post more of it here for you if you'd like everyone to see what a dishonest Liberal Left turd you are. But then everyone would see that you are only interested in your agenda driven bullshit.
The topic is Kalifornians who allowed their gun rights to be screwed with by Libtard Democrats and Fudd's like you Bill. Try to stay on topic.
We do have a glut of mega-rich folks from elsewhere who buy great tracts of land here, build their trophy homes. and try to fence the rest of us out. They're often surprised to learn that the peons have access to the trout steams they thought they'd bought....
Mega-rich and peons? Aren't we talking about dems who're all on the same page, not class warfare? No kool-aid here, just one agenda for the future. I wonder how many years it's been since peons have been sent to the back of the hunting bus by knowing which doors not to knock on and ask?
Poor Billy. You couldn't honestly address the questions I asked, could you? And you know in your skinny little heart that you are too spineless to ever say such things directly to my face. Hell, you are even too cowardly to respond to my very legitimate questions about your frequent lies and agenda driven crap from thousands of miles away over the internet. Boo! Hahahaha!
Thanks for once again showing us what Libtards are made of!
P.S.- I am happy that you apparently took my advice about using Spell-Check and having someone proof read your posts. It looked pretty bad for a retired English Teacher such as yourself to continually post things that looked like examples of illiteracy on parade. And PLEASE try to stay on topic. Maybe you should get checked for ADHD disorder. The topic, once again Billy, is about how Liberal Left Democrats like you place more importance on the rights of drug abusers than they do about the Constitutional Rights of law abiding shooters and gun owners.
Class act, low class that is,about what you would expect from a liberal loser !
Hey Rock Mt Bill "Elections have consequences" America has had enough of tax and spend,great see the corporate rate down to a compete with other nations Its going to be a LONG 7 more years for you to live through-get used to "Making America Great Again " !
I don't have any interest in defending the Clinton Foundation except to ask if Donald Trump has done anything comparable to alleviating human suffering around the globe.
Craig, I'd respond to you post but have no idea what you're trying to say. Slow down. Take a deep breath. Another profound statement from mother's basement[ Dave K].
Still can't stay on topic Billy? Well maybe you'd like to go back to another lie you told about Republicans when you told us that George Bush cut funding for teacher training when he signed " No Child Left Behind". That was another of your many lies, and I provided proof from your Dep't. of Education to show that you were once again being dishonest.
Predictably as the sun rising in the East, you slid out the back door on that one too. It's pretty childish to attempt to change the subject by insulting Craig or Dave. But when you have no spine, and no brain, all that's left is deflection and desperation.
So tell us Billy, have you always been like this??? You know.... both pathetic and dumb? Maybe you should just try to stay on topic. The topic is how Libtards like you are screwing up Kalifornia. I think the absolute worst are those who pretend to be gun guys, but stab us in the back by supporting anti-gun Democrats. Sound familiar Billy?
Really Billy that's the best you can do ? It is nice to know kicking your cage still works thou.
Maybe take a time out and read something so you don't come off showing your ignorance every post.
"Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Really Billy that's the best you can do ? It is nice to know kicking your cage still works thou.
Maybe take a time out and read something so you don't come off showing your ignorance every post.
"Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Bolshevism and National Socialism are same thing both having left untold number of mass graves. For example, in winter of 1932-1933 Bolsheviks made starvation of 6 to 7 millions Ukrainians possible later Germans exterminated several million Jews. Interestingly creation of "New Man" through mass killing of certain types of people was idea fist proposed by well known Communist Karl Marx. Basically with their existence creation of new society was impossible. Today in America poor religious people with guns behind doors are standing in the way of progress. I mean their progress.
We're doing just fine guy and we don't need any more help from progressives with their economic stagnation through an over regulating government.
That 'keep people poor' so the have to come to the government for help then we can regulate and control their activity' ended on November 8th, 2016. In case you didn't notice.
....Today in America poor religious people with guns behind doors are standing in the way of progress. I mean their progress.
Today in America, there's nothing like prejudging entire groups of good, law abiding citizens, and sermonizing that you know better than them. Right out of the play book of the last prez, eh.
What sort of progress would impress you. Since you can spot 'em like a sore thumb, do you want to see sprats-n-duck eggs in their little shopping basket? Does it offend you that their guns probably take common, readily available ammo?
....Today in America poor religious people with guns behind doors are standing in the way of progress. I mean their progress.
Today in America, there's nothing like prejudging entire groups of good, law abiding citizens, and sermonizing that you know better than them. Right out of the play book of the last prez, eh.
What sort of progress would impress you. Since you can spot 'em like a sore thumb, do you want to see sprats-n-duck eggs in their little shopping basket? Does it offend you that their guns probably take common, readily available ammo?
No, I have no interest in past or present agenda of top leadership. I'm a simple sod trying to make a living as evidenced by the fact that I actually do my own grocery shopping instead of having paid servant do it for me. The poor country folks who hold onto religious beliefs and guns do not bother me nor do I care about caliber of their weapons. I'm merely pointing out that they stand in a way of progress of one side while being robbed blind by the other through use simple distraction mechanisms. In case you're interested those eggs aren't bad and are available from The Farmstand of Culpepper Va.
It is funny how many mega rich Democrats there are. If they are the party for the poor they ought to share their wealth first instead of trying to share everyone else's money first.
Of course the California legislature is stupid. No arguing that.
The REAL problem is the Republicans' agenda of raping the environment and sucking off corporations to the expense of the CITIZENS of the United States. If simple mega-greed and re-election were not the driving forces of the so-called conservatives in every level of government the world would most certainly be a different place. And that is as likely as California getting a rational legislature - - as in NOT.
I dunno Bill, read it again. No meat-n-tatters, only artificial sweeteners. Opinions aside, why does kali need a rational legislature? Aren't they the state legislature for the peon, safety, and the environment? Any hiccup they have can be fixed with fed dollars, right. The only question would be to raise fed taxes on Montanans or print more money. What's your preference?
Any hiccup they have can be fixed with fed dollars, right. The only question would be to raise fed taxes on Montanans or print more money.
You are completely wrong. CA sends more tax money to the feds than it ever gets back. We've had this discussion before, and I wish you guys could get it straight. CA is completely eff'd up in almost every way, but that's an internal problem and it's not costing the rest of the country a single penny. It's costing the CA taxpayers a damn fortune.
Keith's comment about Al Gore is symptomatic of conservatives self- imposed stupidity and proof of Wonko's point. Climate change is our greatest challenge. To have one of our two political parties officially deny it is an indication that we may, as a society, have lost our collective mind. Mid term elections are coming. Think of them as a national IQ test.
Half a Billion Dollars. That’s how much the California Teachers Association and the powerful Service Employees International Union have spent on California politics since 2000. The unions’ return on that “investment”? A legislature totally beholden to them for political support and campaign contributions.
Here’s another mind-boggling number: Half a Trillion Dollars. That’s an estimate of the unfunded public pension liabilities racked up by California’s state and municipal governments due to overly generous pay and defined benefit pension plans lavished on unionized government employees.
Jim Lacy, former Chief Counsel for Technology at the U.S. Department of Commerce and General Counsel to the U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission, has been sounding the alarm. His new book, Taxifornia, lays out the numbers and illustrates them in horrifying detail, with stories you just can’t make up—like rank-and-file firefighters making $348,000 a year who can retire at age 55 at 90 percent of salary.
Well, Bob.... Just remember; the very state legislators(all democrats)that passed these draconian laws concerning ammo sales voted to EXEMPT THEMSELVES from those very same laws. The laws only apply to you peons as the politicians don't have to obey them and the criminals don't obey laws anyway. As long as the lower half of California is liberal nut cases who vote democrat, you are screwed.
Any hiccup they have can be fixed with fed dollars, right. The only question would be to raise fed taxes on Montanans or print more money.
You are completely wrong. CA sends more tax money to the feds than it ever gets back. We've had this discussion before, and I wish you guys could get it straight....
I didn't check, but I don't think I'm completely wrong, I just didn't add the third option. Raise state taxes and fees yet again. I was responding to Bill, who belittled reducing taxes and belt tightening.
Any hiccup they have can be fixed with fed dollars, right. The only question would be to raise fed taxes on Montanans or print more money.
You are completely wrong. CA sends more tax money to the feds than it ever gets back.
And that can be said of any state, but I sure see a lot more news about California asking for federal aid than any other state, and any time the federal gov sends them money one way or another it costs the rest of us!
Replacement's noting that California sends more tax revenue to Washington than it gets back is interesting considering what the Trump administration has provided for fire relief. To allocate federal disaster relief along party lines is a new low. But then Trump achieves a new low every day for something or other.
Keith's comment about Al Gore is symptomatic of conservatives self- imposed stupidity and proof of Wonko's point. Climate change is our greatest challenge. To have one of our two political parties officially deny it is an indication that we may, as a society, have lost our collective mind. Mid term elections are coming. Think of them as a national IQ test.
You really are stupid and myopic Billy. I didn't make any comment on Al Gore and climate change. I specifically referenced "Global Warming". Here's my exact words in response to Geo Newbern's off-topic thread about getting an inch of snow in Georgia, only 14 miles from Florida:
Originally Posted By: keith
You might want to forward pictures of it to Al Gore... as evidence of Global Warming.
Note also that Geo said that it was the first time he'd seen it snow there in 30 years. It is hardly the first time for snowfall that far south. I've also looked at U.S. National Weather Service historical data enough to know that CLIMATE CHANGE has been happening as long as they've been collecting records, and periods of unusually hot weather or unusually cold weather are nothing new or remarkable.
But your Liberal Left Democrats are using useful idiots like you to promote the idea that we need to restrict our use of fossil fuels while China, India, and other developing nations pump more CO2 into the air than we ever did. My own Alma Mater, the leading University for Meteorology in the U.S., conspired with East Anglia University in Great Britain to manipulate and falsify climate data to promote this fraud. The Liberal Media was very quiet about that fraud, and let the 2010 Climategate Scandal die down as quickly as possible.
The Republicans do not deny CLIMATE CHANGE. This is yet another of your may lies Billy. CLIMATE CHANGE is as old as the planet, cyclical in nature, and mostly driven by the sun... something beyond our control. There have been times in earth's long history where the CO2 levels were much higher, and we did not spiral into a runaway Global Warming Greenhouse Effect that turned Earth into a wasteland like Mars. I know you won't read this, because you aren't interested in the truth, and are too dumb to comprehend anyway... but for reasonable people, check this article:
I notice you still haven't responded to my very reasonable questions about your serial DNC inspired lies and propaganda Billy. And you still haven't apologized or accepted my challenge to a substantial wager over your sleazy attempt to tar me as a liar over MMC Checkering Tool lubrication. And you are too dumb to stay on topic.
By the way, the figure of how much money Kalifornia sends to the Federal Gov't. and how much it gets in return does not consider the huge social costs we all pay due to Kalifornia importing huge numbers of illegal aliens who suck off of our health and education system, use our infrastructure, and drive down wages and employment opportunities for actual U.S. Citizens.
The topic here is how Libtards like you screwed up Kalifornia and are infringing on the 2nd Amendment by restricting access to ammunition. But you are here only to tell more lies in an attempt to justify your support for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats. You have the spine, the morals, the convictions, and the brains of a garden slug Billy.
A good way to get rid of garden slugs is to put a plastic cup of beer by your plants. I learned this when I passed out in my garden while weeding my zucchini and tomatoes and when I came to my cup of beer was full of slugs. Glad I looked before I took a gulp. I solved the problem by planting some cabbage for the slugs. They love it and I don’t have to worry about them getting in my beer. Oh wait. I see kieth said you are a garden slug not that you had garden slugs. Never mind.
Replacement's noting that California sends more tax revenue to Washington than it gets back is interesting considering what the Trump administration has provided for fire relief....
How come all of life is based on getting something. I thought the righteous paid more taxes?
You do know that Montana gets much more fed dollars don't you? Well no it doesn't. All that happens is that there's less folks in Montana. Is it 'fair' to you that kali folks get much larger fed tax deductions than you do because they aren't as financially responsible as your state is?
How come the current AG just announced today that they are reversing a bo policy of not enforcing fed drug law earlier today? I'm not the least bit interested in hearing about how everyone smokes dope anyway. All I'm wondering is why your man bo didn't just work to change fed law? Selective law enforcement based on party lines should highly concern you, shouldn't it? What's your take on it, do you sit around smoking pot all day, or do you look the other way because your party told you to?
lonesome roads, I think I should do the right thing here... and apologize to garden slugs for comparing them to Billy. How bad can garden slugs be if they like beer?
One thing for sure,we,most of the country without high real estate taxes are subsidizing the ones like Kalif and NY who get that deduction for the high tax rate !
"In 1967, speaking in Long Beach, then-Governor Ronald Reagan outlined the guiding principles that would take California down the “right road.” He talked about it as the “road ahead to a better, more responsible, more meaningful life for all our citizens, a life in which they are allowed to develop and pursue their aims and ambitions to the fullest, without the constant interference and domination of big spending, big brother government.”
That is the kind of vision that brought businesses, large and small, to California because it embraced possibility and understood that the lynchpin of progress was to foster prosperity. Today’s California is virtually unrecognizable.
A state that welcomed job creators now penalizes them.
A state that attracted businesses is now losing them.
A state that enabled millions of working families to prosper is now the one that just takes more and more away from them.
The inescapable reality is that California has lost some of its luster. It still has a world-class economy, but that is a legacy of the past century. Many of today’s best and brightest are looking elsewhere – discouraged by a high cost of living and a tax and regulatory climate that is hostile to entrepreneurship and the free market.
California has twice as many jobless workers as it had five years ago. The state’s income tax rate is the highest in the nation. The corporate income tax rate is America’s fifth highest. Californians pay an additional 53.5 cents per gallon in gas taxes. All-the-while, state government spending grew 35% per capita in just the past ten years.
So what changed? The State’s capital, Sacramento, is now a one Party town. Progressive Democrats have dominated both houses of the state legislature for more than a decade. Unchecked, they have legislated, taxed, and regulated with zeal. For this bunch, government is a means to an end. It exists to limit the excesses of the free market, to redistribute wealth, to advance a far-left social agenda.
Craigd,free market.[/b] So what changed? The State’s capital, Sacramento, is now a one Party town. Progressive Democrats have dominated both houses of the state legislature for more than a decade.[/b] Unchecked, they have legislated, taxed, and regulated with zeal. For this bunch, government is a means to an end. It exists to limit the excesses of the free market, to redistribute wealth, to advance a far-left social agenda.
The simple reason that happened is that the Re-tards voted themselves out of office
The REAL problem is the Republicans' agenda of raping the environment and sucking off corporations to the expense of the CITIZENS of the United States. If simple mega-greed and re-election were not the driving forces of the so-called conservatives in every level of government the world would most certainly be a different place. And that is as likely as California getting a rational legislature - - as in NOT.
You need some serious help pal,you have you head buried up the libtard BS you can't see what the real facts are.
like I said to that other ahole Bill-you are in for a very long 7 more years hope you enjoy it ,I know I will watching you have these breakdowns !
America should be like Cuba or Russia...and just be a one party country. That way...everyone is forced to think the same way...you know...the same principle the country was founded upon.
Your political opinions are about as useful as your double gun opinions Jagermeister ...
Absolutely useless, coming from a pretender who doesn't own one lousy double, and who doesn't hunt. But you're here about once every week or two telling us about buying up all the bismuth loads at your local Cabelas. Of course, you're also the same Libtard who repeatedly bashed Trump and told us how proud you were to vote for the anti-gunner Obama twice. And now you actually expect us to believe that you voted for Trump, who is against virtually everything you support. You, dla (sic), rocky mtn bill, and Dr. Wanker make quite a team, and illustrate perfectly the fact that Liberalism is a mental disorder. You support and vote for the Liberal Left Socialists who do all they can to deprive us of our gun rights... yet consider yourselves pro-gun.
You can't even be honest with yourselves. I wish we could quarantine everyone of your mind set in a place like Kalifornia where you could all tax the rich and middle class into oblivion and implement your liberal insanity and depravity unabated... just so we could watch how quickly it self-destructed.
Edit- I see you deleted your post Jagermeister, but I'll leave my response to it anyway.
Keith, when was the last time you had a new idea? Your posts are tedious and boring and predictable. Why don't you post some photos of your crocheted doilies?
....America should be like Cuba or Russia...and just be a one party country. That way...everyone is forced to think the same way...you know...the same principle the country was founded upon.
You should change your moniker to co-foremost authority.
Still can't answer my perfectly legitimate questions about your repeated lies and DNC propaganda, huh Billy?
Still can't be a man and apologize for your sleazy attempt to say I was lying about lubricant for the MMC Checkering Tool either. And way too cowardly to accept my challenge to a substantial wager because you know you were both wrong and stupid.
And heaven forbid that you should admit you totally mischaracterized what I had posted in another thread concerning global warming. Of course, you had a good excuse... you are both stupid and an agenda driven Libtard.
So what's left for you Billy? ...Nothing.
Nothing except posts like the one you just made in an attempt to make garden slugs look much more intelligent than you. I wish there was someone more challenging to debate at times like this. Ed Good or a garden slug needs to jump in about now to help you.
But why can't you stay on topic? The topic is how Libtards like you are turning Kalifornia into a place where ammunition is harder to buy than street drugs. How hard is that for you Billy? Were you always such a dim bulb?
For Bill, CraigD, TMair and all the other misinformed posters here, take a look at the attached article from WalletHub. This was referenced in an Atlantic article on the states' federal tax remittances vs federal payments to states, and was prepared by five respected professors from major universities. And don't come back with your usual crap about leftist professors. This is data and information, not opinion.
You may note that on the first table, "Most Federally Dependent States," California is ranked 46th overall and Montana (Bill!!!) is ranked #7. Lower ranking indicates higher dependency on federal money. You clowns who keep harping about other states subsidizing California need to pull your heads out of your keisters and get your facts straight. Geeze, I get tired of having to explain this stuff to you.
Of course I was was being facetious. But it does sound like some of you would love to do away with your party system. Amazing how one of the most free and greatest countries of the history of the world, came down to hating each other so much.
And for your further enlightenment, try this on for size, from Business Insider:
Quote:
As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States—the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut—are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.
I argue that counting Federal contracts and social security payments as "taking" and lumping those funds in with with Federal welfare programs and then using those totals to rank each state as a takers or giver doesn't convey anything.
If you want to take those Federal contracts and social security out of those figures and then rank the states that might mean something.
I don't doubt the lefty profs' numbers. Their logic is certainly sub-par though.
Replacement, I think you have me in the wrong group.I never claimed that California was being subsidized by other states. Yes, Montana is a taker. We're poor here. I don't feel the least bit defensive about it. It's just a fact. We'd pay more if we could. My only point about California is to note that under the Arnold administration, the state was going bankrupt, and that under Governor Moonbeam things have taken a dramatic turn. Personally, I'd like to see California get some disaster relief. As you point out , they've paid their share.
If you want to take those Federal contracts and social security out of those figures and then rank the states that might mean something.
Well, gosh, it turns out that California is second, a little behind Virginia (shocking!) in federal contract dollars, and way ahead of Texas in FY2014 federal contract spending, as reported by the GSA. Ne lefty professors there, eh? And California is still ranked 46th in federal dependency.
Replacement, I think you have me in the wrong group.I never claimed that California was being subsidized by other states. Yes, Montana is a taker. We're poor here. I don't feel the least bit defensive about it. It's just a fact. We'd pay more if we could....
Bill, you're full of beans. If you could pay more, you'd buy another classic rifle. That's an internet fact based on your comments, and no don't feel the least bit defensive about it.
For simple things, I find myself repeating for no particular reason. Replacement's 'facts' are not, repeat not a money exchange to joe average dependent on big brother. Montana is dotted with nuclear missile silos and military bases that require a large influx of fed money towards your state. Your state happens to be lightly populated, it's just math, big fed dollar PER person in to the state, compared to fed taxes paid out.
Montana infrastructure such as road and power projects that get fed subsidies have a high dollar amount per person that it serves because your state is lightly populated and the services have to link residents that are spread farther apart. That results in a high fed dollar ratio per Montanan.
I can't stand your we're poor here crap. What are you saying, if you move to kali, you get rich. I'd bet the cost to run kali's fed only prisons could fund an obscene percentage increase of Montanans on welfare. Just because it could be, doesn't mean it has to be. Why don't you and Replacement get together and dig up the facts about what percentage of those kali fed prisoners are courtesy of your sanctuary ideology.
kali is just a high density state, so the numbers come out less fed dollars coming in per person. kali alone is responsible for your talking points that hill won the pop vote, but you never complained when kali spotted hill 55 electoral votes for an automatic participation trophy. The 'facts' that you folks are pointing to go far beyond welfare and mishap relief.
Thats clown Replacement has been playing that donor state BS tune for years even thou its proven to be false ! Politifact:
Many advocates for California, including former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, have pointed to a study by the Tax Foundation as proof the state receives even less from the federal government.
That report said California received only 78 cents on the dollar from the federal government in 2005. The LAO, however, says that study is flawed because it "inflates the estimated amount Californians pay in taxes."
Jon Coupal, president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, said the LAO report is a fair representation.
"I think the LAO report is fairly accurate," Coupal said. "Their ultimate conclusion that it’s about a dollar in for a dollar out, we think is probably accurate within the margins for what we can measure."
And YES we-those of us in low State and local tax States ARE indeed subsidizing the high tax ones like Kalif !
Perfect example even a simpleton like Replacement can understand:
"Here’s the simple pitch. If you and I make the exact same amount of money, we live in the exact same value of house, we have the same kind of car, our kids go to the same kind of schools, shouldn’t we pay the same federal income tax? The answer is yes, but the real world is no. If I live in a high tax state and you live in a low tax state, you actually pay more towards the federal government than I do. And that’s just not fair. It’s not right.”
Low-tax states are subsidizing the high-tax states because the taxpayers in those states can’t deduct as much from their taxes. Indeed six states—California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Texas, and Pennsylvania—claim more than half of the value of all state and local tax deductions nationwide, according to IRS data. (Texas has no state income tax.)
High-tax state defenders have pretty much run out of ammunition. Clearly the lower tax states are doing better in job creation, business generating, business retention, cost-of-living, prosperity and net immigration standpoint. The one "fact" the lefties still love to post in desperation is the assertion that the high tax tax states subsidize the low tax states through the federal collection and distribution system. There's a grain of truth in the assertion, but a ton of manure is added to give the factor its desired decaying aroma.
It's time we took a closer look at this basic tenet of our progressive friends -- using the two most compared states -- Texas and California. This rebuttal may get a little wonky at times, but for the serious defender of the taxpayers, this is crucial stuff. Once you grasp the basic facts, you can just post the URL to this article. Rest assured that your opponents will not read it -- let alone understand it.
Since most of you won't read this semi-academic treatise, here's my bottom line conclusion -- destroying this bogus claim. EXCERPT:
Compare the full equation for California and Texas -- and the national average (all per capita paid per year):
*****************Paid to Feds**********Received from Feds California************$7,691************************$8,967
If you want to take those Federal contracts and social security out of those figures and then rank the states that might mean something.
Well, gosh, it turns out that California is second, a little behind Virginia (shocking!) in federal contract dollars, and way ahead of Texas in FY2014 federal contract spending, as reported by the GSA. Ne lefty professors there, eh? And California is still ranked 46th in federal dependency.
You guys really need to learn how to wrap your heads around actual facts.
Still doesn't change the flawed logic of your professors' ranking system. You now have two data points, Texas and California, on federal contracts. And until your profs go back and redo the rankings, leaving out federal contracts and social security, we don't know if your/their argument stands.
And I bet most of the welfare payments in those Red states go primarily to the Democrats' constituents. And since most of the welfare system as we know it was promulgated by the Democrats there is some justice in letting the Democratic states' residents pay more federal taxes.
Take a look at the figures for Federal Contract dollars in Replacements two links and see how those studies contradict each other in the state's rankings.
The disparity is great. They can't both be right. Makes me wonder if either is right.
I think the two most important words to remember in Dave K's post are "per capita". That is a very important distinction, and makes a huge difference when comparing more densely populated states like Kalifornia, New York, or Illinois to states like Montana, New Mexico, or North Dakota. Professional multi-generational Welfare leeches know which states provide the most benefits, and we all know it isn't in Red States. Even CBS 60 Minutes was objective enough to show Welfare cheats traveling from Liberal Left Blue State Illinois to Liberal Left Blue State Minnesota to claim benefits in multiple states. The Framers were very prescient when they created the Electoral College in order to at least slow down the rate of speed that densely populated regions would bring the entire house down. It's very difficult to objectively talk about which state gets the most Federal dollars returned in relation to the amount they pay in Federal taxes. There are so many intangibles such as the huge hidden costs of importing ten's of millions of illegal aliens as I mentioned earlier. It's pretty easy for Libtards to ignore the huge costs of importing a low wage non-citizen workforce that consumes education and health care dollars, uses the infrastructure, takes Welfare money, places huge financial burdens on the criminal justice system and victims of their crimes, but doesn't contribute much in taxes or Social Security when they are working under the table and exporting billions back to Mexico and Central America. Then there's the unfortunate fact that a powerful U.S. Senator with much seniority and a seat on an appropriation committee can steer large amounts of pork back to his state.
Here's a nice little chart to show that what Billy (rocky mtn bullshit) said about Kalifornia's debt problem is not at all true. Nothing new there.
Schwartznegger is no darling of Conservatives, but the greatest damage was done before he arrived in 2008, and state debt is still growing. It is also undeniable that most of Schwartznegger's attempts to cut spending were thwarted by Liberal Democrats who continued to push for increased spending funded by increases in taxes and fees.
Billy should try to stay on topic, but that would mean he couldn't run away from the fact that Libtards like him support the Liberal Left Democrat anti-gunners who make it harder to buy ammunition than drugs.
I think I heard an insignificant little squeak from dla (sic) over in Munchkinland... but I can't be sure. It might have been a mosquito farting.
I'll bet that the moron above who is lamenting drilling for gas and oil drives a vehicle that uses fossil fuel, and heats and air conditions his home with energy derived from fossil fuel.
If he rides a bike, I'll bet the materials it was made from were made using fossil fuel. If some of the power he buys comes from wind turbines, they were undoubtedly built by machines and furnaces fueled with fossil fuel. A foundry about 50 miles from me uses electric arc furnaces to melt the steel for massive wind turbine hubs weighing up to 90 tons each. It takes a lot of fossil fuel to melt that much steel. Even the barrels of his shotguns were made with fossil fuels. The iron ore used to make them was mined with huge fossil fuel burning machines.
But he is far too stupid to see that he is as hooked on the juice as the rest of the world. Renewable energy may come. We all want to see that day. But it isn't here yet. Hey, let's all buy Chinese solar panels built with... fossil fuel! Of course, we could always do the drilling in the Middle East where he can't see it, and fund the Nations that fund Islamic terrorists.
Hey, we're finally going to drill on a small piece of ANWR up in Alaska too. All of the horror stories that were told about the building of the Alaska Pipeline will be repeated again. But the greedy corporations don't want to spill the oil on the ground. They want to sell it to energy using hypocrites and fools like Dr. Wanker and rocky mtn bullshit. The Liberal Energy Using Hypocrites told us 15 years ago that it was silly to drill there because it would take the oil 7 years to get to market. 7 years came and went, and we are still very dependent on the drilling that Dr. Wanker sees as nothing but corporate greed.
As much of the nation has spent the last week in the grip of sub-zero and below freezing temperatures, I wonder how many poor and elderly people would have died if greedy corporations had not drilled to supply the gas, oil, and electricity they are using to keep warm.
I'd rather see a reclaimation area from an old coal mine then those damn windmills the liberals put up.
A lot of people make their living and a very good one from what corporations pay them. All those big paying jobs Obama created at McDonald's sure didn't do anyone any good.
Sane, this is so easy to fix, why don't you get the oil out of the ground as a sole proprietor? Stick it to the man and all he's beholden to, plus you can rub it in by rowing out to your oil rigs. It does warm the heart, 'cept for the part about rectal orifice.
Hmmm, the non corporate approach might not work, eh. How about we come up with synonyms for corporate, like Perazzi or London Best Gun? Of course, we'd have to join a rap forum and come up with something they'd be down with.
I am a California native. Are there a lot of a$$holes in California? YES! BUT WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? Other states and countries. When I was born here, there were about 8 million people in the state. Now there are 40 million. The growth was from people wanting to take advantage of the weather and economic opportunities. People like you.
I am in Arizona right now working on acquiring property. I am bailing out of California. Of course, the people here in Arizona will all be saying, "Yeah, some a$$hole from California bought that ranch... paid too much and screwed it up for the rest of us..."
Carry on with your witticisms and snide remarks about a state I have loved all my life. 90% of you don't know whereof you speak. Fire away!
I am a California native. Are there a lot of a$$holes in California? YES! BUT WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? Other states and countries. When I was born here, there were about 8 million people in the state. Now there are 40 million. The growth was from people wanting to take advantage of the weather and economic opportunities. People like you.
I am in Arizona right now working on acquiring property. I am bailing out of California. Of course, the people here in Arizona will all be saying, "Yeah, some a$$hole from California bought that ranch... paid too much and screwed it up for the rest of us..."
Carry on with your witticisms and snide remarks about a state I have loved all my life. 90% of you don't know whereof you speak. Fire away!
I think this would be the determining factor, once you acquire land in AZ are you going to try and introduce rules and regulations telling the natives what they can and can't do with their land, and generally turn it into where you came from? If the answer is yes then you will be an assholes!
Just a couple of months ago I was talking with a guy from California who was telling me about the assholes from California who moved in across from him...he had assimilated, the assholes wanted to change it!
Here's another Fudd Libtard who supports and defends the politicians who do things like restricting ammunition availability as a back-door approach to gun control.
This is another guy who actually thinks you can consider yourself pro-gun if you do these back-stabbing things. He also thinks we should welcome anti-gunners into some weird Big Tent where they can screw us from within and undermine the 2nd Amendment.
He hates these discussions and would love to quell them. But he can't just stop reading them. Like other Liberals, he would like to ban anything he doesn't approve of. The only thing surprising about his comments here is that it took him this long to chime in with his pissing and moaning. This is as predictable as rocky mtn bullshit Billy posting lies about pro-gun Republicans, and then lacking the spine to prove his assertions when questioned about his DNC "facts".
Yes, California has gone insane: the gun laws are lunatic; we 'celebrate' illegals who murder our young women, while inviting more by the million in a transparent effort to turn us into Mexico's Alta California again; SF is suffering an epidemic of street and public transit crime because it would be racist to arrest criminals of color; PC politics are destroying our young folks' brains; the techie invasion has pushed the cost of living beyond most people's means. I fulminate obsessively against the idiocy and frequently think about leaving, but:
We still have a fabulous diversity of landscapes and scenery (albeit tragically lacking in large mammals), great duck hunting, more prestigious research universities than anywhere else, wonderful restaurants, and these days you can even have a toke without fear of arrest.
I agree with the Mexican issues. we are starting to get the same problem north of the border. not so much the crime...but them striving for the lowest common denominator...re lowering working standards, illigals filling the work force, particularly in construction..
I agree with the Mexican issues. we are starting to get the same problem north of the border. not so much the crime...but them striving for the lowest common denominator...re lowering working standards, illigals filling the work force, particularly in construction..
That problem exists in EU except low wage workers aren't from Central or South America. It will not go away because people keep hiring illegal aliens w/o fear for any consequences. It's obvious that people will come to places where wages are higher and standard of living is higher. The fault for current situation lies only with the ones giving them the jobs. They are basically fucking everyone to realize better profit margins.
I make this topic more worthwhile by answering question "What's the least expensive 'best gun'? Answer Union Armera 219E. The trick is to find one in game gun configuration: straight grip, splinter, double triggers and traditional game rib.
using the tax base excuse for pot or boozes legality is a moot point. no matter how much tax is raised, itll just be deverted back to the users for rehab costs and emergency responders trying to revive them after wrapping their cars around telephone poles. I would be cheaper to not allow pot and fine the ones who use it...so their fines could go towards the needs of the good people of the state.
using the tax base excuse for pot or boozes legality is a moot point. no matter how much tax is raised, itll just be deverted back to the users for rehab costs and emergency responders trying to revive them after wrapping their cars around telephone poles. I would be cheaper to not allow pot and fine the ones who use it...so their fines could go towards the needs of the good people of the state.
Maybe, a little common sense is creeping in. Unemployment 'benefits' may become contingent on passing a drug test.
Aside from many other good reasons, pot is either illegal or state legalized largely for 'recreational' purposes. Why should a social safety net pay for any recreational expense, other than to back social engineering with funding.
"Comparing Beretta S Series and SO Series..." is running out of "steam". To avert boredom I suggest "Comparing Beretta SO series with Merkel Brothers 300 series and Escopeta Superpuesta AyA Modelo 37."
I agree with the Mexican issues. we are starting to get the same problem north of the border. not so much the crime...but them striving for the lowest common denominator...re lowering working standards, illigals filling the work force, particularly in construction..
That problem exists in EU....
....They are basically fucking everyone to realize better profit margins....
Comparing the US to any other sanctuary town is getting boring. Maybe, to avert boredom, you two could get a room?
There was never any doubt in my mind. If you ever did leave, it would be to go to someplace like Utah or Montana and screw that up with your Leftist Socialist crap, like rocky mtn bullshit Billy. Your Liberalism has shined here like a quasar for a long time.
One big difference between Conservatives and Liberals is that most Conservatives aren't afraid to admit it, and they don't try to conceal it.
Originally Posted By: dal
I agree with the Mexican issues. we are starting to get the same problem north of the border. not so much the crime...but them striving for the lowest common denominator...re lowering working standards, illigals filling the work force, particularly in construction..
In Re: The Problem of Low Wage Illegal Workers...
This thing that dla (sic) finds so disturbing could be explained easily in his particular circumstance...
If you needed some construction work done, would you rather hire a strong motivated illegal Mexican... or an illiterate dwarf?
Keith, I used to wonder why you continue to post the same crap over and over. Now I understand it's all you know or are capable of. Having adopted an ideology that insulates you absolutely from rational thought, you have no choice except to endlessly repeat yourself. Why would you say liberals are afraid to admit their position? I've never pretended to be a Tea Bagger. The country is hopelessly slanted in favor of those who own all the wealth. Earnings are at an all-time high. The market is booming. Employment is growing very slowly. Wages remain stagnant. What is there about that scenario for ordinary people to celebrate? Instead of opposing taxation as theft, why not support the idea of making government smarter and more effective instead of resenting the fact that it exists? PS: why is an illiterate dwarf the alternative to an illegal, hard-working Mexican? That sounds like one of Craig's non-sequiters.
I don't read any of Keiths ravings,but RMB has it nailed...I imagine its the same old boring stuff...Lots of this tard, and that tard, out of context old quotes..Prattle about about what he says someone said....Keith is a WORDTARD....
Billy, you should know why I repeat many of the same things over and over again. How many times have I asked the same few questions of you in this thread... and you have pretended to ignore them or attempted to divert the discussion away from them.
You are too cowardly and too disingenuous to admit when you have lied or when you have been wrong about me.
Now you want me to answer a questions about the economy and about illiterate dwarfs and illegal Mexicans??? No Billy. That's not how it works. You go back and answer my questions, and maybe I will stop repeating them. I was thinking of asking them in your thread where you were trying to buy a magazine box, spring, and follower for a Model 70 .22 Hornet. I decided to let it go. Next time, I may have to interject in the hope of letting any potential seller know about your support for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats...
I've already noted that you and Last Dollar are two of a kind when it comes to supporting anti-gun Democrats, so his comments are totally expected. This kind of thread bores him to tears, he says. Yet he is drawn to it like a retarded moth to a flame.
Keith, I finally took you off Ignore recently because you were behaving like a grownup for a while, and I discovered that you actually have some useful knowledge to impart. However now that you are back to your childish name calling you are also back on Ignore. Maybe you should take up early morning Twitter blasts instead of vomiting all over this site.
To the docs here: what is the proper psychiatric term for people who parade their mental illness in public? Life in Berkeley accustoms one to schizophrenics babbling on street corners, but our pal Keith is different. Is Proctocephalic Personality Disorder recognized in the DSM 5?
....The country is hopelessly slanted in favor of those who own all the wealth. Earnings are at an all-time high. The market is booming. Employment is growing very slowly. Wages remain stagnant. What is there about that scenario for ordinary people to celebrate? Instead of opposing taxation as theft, why not support the idea of making government smarter and more effective instead of resenting the fact that it exists?....
Hey LD, did he nail it?
I'd ramble on about national unemployment numbers, black unemployment, food stamps, and on and on, but would you keep one thing in mind? He thought b.husane made gov. smarter and more efficient, and he's quite upset hill isn't imposing her brand of smarts on all the dumb folks.
Keith, I finally took you off Ignore recently because you were behaving like a grownup for a while, and I discovered that you actually have some useful knowledge to impart. However now that you are back to your childish name calling you are also back on Ignore. Maybe you should take up early morning Twitter blasts instead of vomiting all over this site.
So let's take a look at another disingenuous statement from another Libtard who has issues with telling the truth. LGF says he had me on IGNORE. But while ha was ignoring me, he discovered that I was acting like an adult, and had useful knowledge to share.
It's simply amazing to me that these Libtards can claim to IGNORE someone, yet still see what they are posting. It must have something to do with their veracity and their basic level of honesty and integrity. It provides even more evidence that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I may have said that before. And Billy still can't bring himself to answer those questions pertaining to his serial lies about Republicans, Conservatives, or attempting to tar me as a liar about something as innocuous as the correct lube for an MMC Electric Checkering tool.
I'd hope anyone contemplating selling him gun parts would consider his support for anti-gun Democrats. At very least, they could impose an up-charge, and use the money to buy a gift NRA membership to some disadvantaged kid. I'm sure Billy would be cool with that!
Craig? I was referring to RMB's comments on Keith only...I try not to read or interpret political stuff. I am busy right now packing to head for Arizona to winter out, and making Pheasant Marsala for supper....Stay well...
When it comes to English ".....lowest tier NON-'entry level O/U & SxS?" one name comes to mind William Baker of Birmingham. He was responsible for design of Vickers Imperial side-lock and Over/Under shotgun using patents 4922, 9768 and 34926. The level of finesse depended on what company finished up the final product. For example O/U from Harrison & Hussey would be very fine gun.
Keith - since you think I am a liberal, let me remind you that the hallmark of a true liberal is open-mindedness and a spirit of intelligent, objective inquiry (in stark distinction to modern progressives, of course). In that spirit, I occasionally checked in when you commented on a purely technical discussion which might be immune to your venom. Which is how I learned that you are actually not as stone stupid as your routine persona here demonstrates. What made you so miserable and vicious? Booze? Coke? Meth? Rush Limbaugh?
Once again LGF, you are responding to me after informing us that you will be IGNORING me. If I should ever decide to IGNORE anyone here, it will be like they are dead. Now if you ask me, engaging in a discussion with someone you claim to be IGNORING is stone stupid.
When I refer to Liberals, I think it is abundantly clear that I am referring to those modern day so-called Progressives who have hijacked the Democrat Party, and turned it into the insane and decidedly anti-gun entity it is today. My referring to them as Libtards and mentally ill should provide a hint that I am not confusing them with Plato or Titus Lucretius.
I don't think I am angry, miserable, or particularly vicious. I do get some kicks from pissing off the Fudd's and Libtards here who used to get away with serial dishonesty and attempting to pass themselves off as being pro-gun while they support and vote for the same kind of anti-gun Liberal Democrats who have more problems with law abiding citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights than they do with unfettered drug use and an invasion by upwards of 20 million illegal aliens. I know... the number has been stuck on 11 million for over a decade, and they are still coming, but we are expected to believe the total has not changed. Such is the dishonesty of the Left.
Keith - since you think I am a liberal, let me remind you that the hallmark of a true liberal is open-mindedness and a spirit of intelligent, objective inquiry (in stark distinction to modern progressives, of course).
Open-mindedness and spirit of intelligent objective inquiry is dangerous to certain groups. The goal is to keep poor in the dark that way they will continue to vote against their own interests. If you enlighten them they will want affordable comprehensive healthcare, living wages, paid maternal leave,......That would seriously affect the bottom line of the top percentage earners of the population.
And that is what you have to tell them along with constant reminder that socialized medicine is of poor quality and no changes here are necessary. The downside is if the masses wake up one day it's going to be pretty ugly. I suspect next target of limits will be access to the internet. They are going to tell the masses it is needed to help control ISIS or other terrorist organizations they manage to invent to scare the populace. The fear of terrorism is a gift that is going to keep on giving.
....Open-mindedness and spirit of intelligent objective inquiry is dangerous to certain groups. The goal is to keep poor in the dark that way they will continue to vote against their own interests. If you enlighten them they will want affordable comprehensive healthcare, living wages, paid maternal leave,......That would seriously affect the bottom line of the top percentage earners of the population.
Intelligent, objective inquiry? When there's no value in reading or a basic education? Why do you always enlighten with vague emotional talking points and no facts? Nothing will make someone value a paycheck, and what it purchases, like having to work for it. What other freebies will enlighten on your vision of socialism?
Anyone who thinks socialized medicine is a good thing, as with all things socialized, just check with the actual participants and see what they have to say, there is a reason Fang Rongxiang chose to have his open heart surgery done by a famed Utah heart surgeon instead of the Chinese doctors where he lived!
With the Dow crossing 25,000, it’s worth pointing out the pitfalls that could reverse some of those gains — and how to avoid them.
One thing we don’t have to worry about is the economic sanity of President Trump.
In fact, it’s safe to say that the current president, for all his temperamental flaws and petty insecurities, makes his tightly wound predecessor, Barack Obama, look like a raving madman when it comes to showing sense on economic growth. Armchair psychiatrists are having a field day diagnosing the president’s mental state from afar, especially after his increasingly bizarre tweeting, but the market says otherwise.
Consider: The United States had one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world — so high that companies (and jobs) were fleeing to places like Ireland. That’s why it was perfectly sane to lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent as Trump just did, and presto: Corporations are announcing plans to hire more workers, and the economy, which was expected to slow after seven years of weak growth, is heating up. The markets are predicting that growth with their surge.
Likewise, regulations have been strangling businesses for years while making it difficult for banks to lend to consumers and small business. Trump went out and hired perfectly sane regulators who basically pulled the federal government’s boot off the neck of the business community.
It was described to me as a de facto tax cut by one business owner that gives him leeway to hire more people. A major win for the working class.
And since so many of my fellow journalists are at it, let me do a little psychoanalysis of what an economically insane person might do as president.
An insane president would threaten a significant tax increase immediately upon taking office following a financial crisis, and then eventually impose one on individuals and small businesses still in recovery.
He’d impose job-crushing regulations on these same businesses as unemployment rose. He’d put a cumbersome mandate on businesses that upends the entire health care system just as the economy was finally turning a corner.
A really insane president would blow nearly $1 trillion on a stimulus plan with little planning and direction, wasting much of the money on boondoggles (see: Solyndra) and then laugh at the lack of “shovel ready” jobs created. He’d then try to spread his delusion to the masses, telling them to ignore historically low wage growth, anemic economic growth and the massive amount of people who dropped out of the work force because the stock market rallied, thanks in large part to the Fed printing money instead of his own fiscal policies.
Is Barack Obama crazy? No, but his post-2008 economic policies were. Are all Trump’s tweets sane? No, but smart investors with lots of skin in the game think his policies are perfectly rational, and that’s why the markets are soaring along with the prospect of economic growth.
Can Trump just sit back and act like a clown for the rest of his presidency as the economy and markets lift all boats? No again. Relying on the markets or the economy to disguise abhorrent presidential behavior is a fool’s game. Corrections always occur, and will occur if corporate earnings don’t match the investor enthusiasm built into Dow’s recent rise.
An unexpected burst of inflation that would force the Fed to raise interest rates could hurt both stocks and GDP. Trump might indulge his inner populist and engage in a trade war with China, or repeal NAFTA, both of which would undoubtedly hurt economic growth and stocks.
For all the good things about the business side of the tax reform bill, other parts are more complicated: Small businesses got a sliver of the tax breaks given to corporations; same goes for working-class people who don’t pay much in federal income taxes in the first place. But people who do pay a lot may get crushed when tax season rolls around. Individuals in high-tax states (like New York) could get hammered because the plan barely lowers the top rate and plugs so many deductions.
To pay for their higher taxes, these people could curb their personal spending, meaning less economic growth and possibly lower stock prices.
But none of these hiccups suggest a madman is at the helm of the US economy, which is something to consider the next time you hear Donald Trump is crazy.
Charles Gasparino is a Fox Business senior correspondent
I don't think this will be the last we see of tax reform. They may revisit this again next year because if President Trump doesn't like what he sees he'll go there again.
I wonder where that few billion will come from should Congress grant Trump his fence. The one thing I keep reminding myself and my friends is no government has ever had enough money!.....and never will. So it is inevitable taxes will go up.
I wonder where that few billion will come from should Congress grant Trump his fence. The one thing I keep reminding myself and my friends is no government has ever had enough money!.....and never will. So it is inevitable taxes will go up.
Actually even if the wall stops just a small portion of the illegals it will save taxpayers money !
"The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall.
illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.1
Re Buffet and his billions,not sure who is more lost in space,Last Dollar or Jag but he already gave most of his money away you clowns must live in caves.
Well Dave K, The 37 Billion that Buffet saves in taxes, will have to be paid by others if spending doesn't change. Don't live in a cave...Arizona.....Oprah may be our only hope....
I wonder where that few billion will come from should Congress grant Trump his fence. The one thing I keep reminding myself and my friends is no government has ever had enough money!.....and never will. So it is inevitable taxes will go up.
Actually even if the wall stops just a small portion of the illegals it will save taxpayers money !
"The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall.
illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.1
Re Buffet and his billions,not sure who is more lost in space,Last Dollar or Jag but he already gave most of his money away you clowns must live in caves.
The leadership in Mexico said repeatedly they're not going to pay for the fucking wall. Why are we throwing taxpayer money to build it? Would it not be wiser to just not hire illegal aliens to begin with reducing incentive for them to come here?
....The 37 Billion that Buffet saves in taxes, will have to be paid by others if spending doesn't change. Don't live in a cave...Arizona.....Oprah may be our only hope....
A huge percentage of the country has their retirement associated with funds like this fellow runs. Don't you think it would be better for the entire nation if retired seniors have more to spend and less to be dependent on? Who has a history of reinvesting their profits or are likely to bring their big corps back to the US from foreign soil, the dreamers, hill and her Canadian foundation? Before this fellow gets his dividend check from the cokeco, all the little worker bees get their pay checks.
Haven't you noticed that the unemployment numbers are way down and there are concrete signs that wages are turning upwards? Aren't these folks getting off the soup lines and stagnation, and contributing to the nation in the form of tax revenue?
LD, you've shown pictures before. You don't look black or like a woman. If o's gonna help you at all, better get crack'in on that reassignment procedure. Maybe, it would be more pleasant to work on changing the spending, than trying to get a free participation trophy from ope.
....The leadership in Mexico said repeatedly they're not going to pay for the fucking wall. Why are we throwing taxpayer money to build it?....
Why are we throwing taxpayer billions at glorifying felon illegal aliens? If the flow of cash out of the US slows, it's taken away from mehico and can be spent in the US. Careful with the splinters in the knot holes.
Craig, tell me who your doctor was when they switched your brain and [censored]? Maybe use that one...
Look at this statement from the disgusting Libtard Last Dollar.
This guy is so brilliant, he thinks it is wise to embrace anti-gunners and FUDD's who support anti-gunners, and bring them into some weird Big Tent with the rest of us who actually support the 2nd Amendment. Gee, that's really intelligent! That way they could stab us in the back from within.
You might as well bring termites into a wood framed house, or permit pedophiles to run Day Care Centers.
If you support and vote for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, then you are anti-gun. If you deny that simple fact, then you are not only anti-gun, but you are dishonest too.
Now where in hell did Last Dollar get that figure of $37 billion as Warren Buffet's tax savings under Trump's Tax Reduction Plan? Buffet is worth about $$77 to 80 billion, and has never earned $37 billion in a year. So even if he paid nothing, he could not save that much. It looks like Last Dollar is spreading DNC lies like rocky mtn bullshit.
I’m thinking Martha Stewart as VP. If you don’t give us what we want in trade negotiations she’ll hit you in the head with a rolling pin. She’s gangsta.
_________________________ What’s this laddie? Mysterious scribblings. A secret code?
Last Dollar hates this thread. He thinks it has gone on way too long. Here's how he got started in this thread:
Originally Posted By: KY Jon
I miss Misfires where these debates use to be held. 12 pages of nothing.
Here's stupid's reply:
Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
For sure...Hot air
But since then he has returned six more times to post his Hot Air... even though he doesn't like this thread. Now there's a whole lot of "tard" in that kind of behavior.
But threads about Libtards who support the anti-gun politicians who infringe upon our gun rights really bother Last Dollar, because they hit so close to home.
Craig, tell me who your doctor was when they switched your brain and [censored]? Maybe use that one...
Look at this statement from the disgusting Libtard Last Dollar.
This guy is so brilliant, he thinks it is wise to embrace anti-gunners and FUDD's who support anti-gunners, and bring them into some weird Big Tent with the rest of us who actually support the 2nd Amendment. Gee, that's really intelligent! That way they could stab us in the back from within.
You might as well bring termites into a wood framed house, or permit pedophiles to run Day Care Centers.
If you support and vote for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, then you are anti-gun. If you deny that simple fact, then you are not only anti-gun, but you are dishonest too.
Now where in hell did Last Dollar get that figure of $37 billion as Warren Buffet's tax savings under Trump's Tax Reduction Plan? Buffet is worth about $$77 to 80 billion, and has never earned $37 billion in a year. So even if he paid nothing, he could not save that much. It looks like Last Dollar is spreading DNC lies like rocky mtn bullshit.
Last Dollar- Keith I thought he was in Mexico and left here like a little girl all wound up ? Has lost what left of his mind.
1) Buffet-and I am not a fan of his politics,does not get an additional 37 million himself, there may be 37 billion higher in book value(don't' try LD is way above your head) of the "publicly traded" business's he controls in BRK.A.
2)Only a liberal idiot would think that "we" will pay more if corporation's pay less-its NOT the governments money it belongs to corp and individuals to use whats left after taxes. The Corp tax cust's are going to employee's (over 1 million have received bonus's ) share holders, expansion and lowering prices to be competitive !(again way over you head LD)
Now LD for your reading assignment-, so you can catch up with some of the others,look up The "Lafer Curve" and supply side economics.
Not yet. Right now these brilliant folks are discussing how to control how much ammo goes in and out of the state in the hands of individuals.
Like I go chukar hunting in Nevada - leaving with say, six boxes of ammo. They would like to make sure I don't return with more than six boxes of ammo. I wonder how much money they are going to throw at enforcement of these laws... and how they think they will control it? Maybe, since California is now a "sanctuary state", they will spend immigration 'enforcement' funds they now longer need?
Last Dollar- Keith I thought he was in Mexico and left here like a little girl all wound up ?
Yeah Dave, here's a link to the tear-jerking thread where Last Dollar whined and cried and said farewell to this forum forever. He got his knickers in a knot after I said his picture of a whale looked like Michelle Obama on another taxpayer funded vacation. But that was hardly the only time he threatened to leave us forever if he didn't get his way.
But the big crybaby couldn't live up to his word, and he returned to continue his avid support of Liberal Left anti-gunners. He said he couldn't stand to see political threads in the main forum, yet returned to them repeatedly. He also didn't like the political discussions that went on in the old Misfires forum... but he was also repeatedly drawn to them like a big dumb retarded moth to a flame. Now he'll keep coming back to tell us how he isn't reading certain posts, even though we all know that he peeks and responds to posts that he says he is IGNORING. But he's not alone. That's very common behavior among our closet Liberal Left losers.
Ya know, I do believe he lived in Kalifornia for a time. Long enough, apparently, to partake in plenty of mind altering drugs.
The last tax reform in 1986 expanded the economy and raised trillions but the democrats spend it. If we keep you thieving democrats out of power we may finally tackle this debt issue.
Craig, tell me who your doctor was when they switched your brain and [censored]? Maybe use that one...
Okay LD, let's back up a bit, so I don't have to stay seated all day. Where did I go so wrong. Gonna splain where ope sold you on her mo bettah tax plan?
ps. Ain't that the neatest thing. The forum uncensores bad words for viewing a quote in preview. I am truly easily amused.
Cmon Craig, you gotta know I was joshing about Oprah...lighten up man..You realitytards take everything too serious like...as opposed to us dontgiveashittards..
I am a California native. Are there a lot of a$$holes in California? YES! BUT WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? Other states and countries. When I was born here, there were about 8 million people in the state. Now there are 40 million. The growth was from people wanting to take advantage of the weather and economic opportunities. People like you.
I am in Arizona right now working on acquiring property. I am bailing out of California. Of course, the people here in Arizona will all be saying, "Yeah, some a$$hole from California bought that ranch... paid too much and screwed it up for the rest of us..."
Carry on with your witticisms and snide remarks about a state I have loved all my life. 90% of you don't know whereof you speak. Fire away!
MY GOD, MAN!!!! That is heretical ! ! ! I'd bet your 90% estimate is way on the low side actually. I've only been in Cal since 1955 so I'm not sure if I really have any right to defend but it has never ceased to amaze me the vitriol speeeeewed by non-residents from anywhere and on any topic. It's always the fault of California. Or Bill Clinton. Or the two together. OK, it could be Hilary too. But certainly California is at the front of it deserves what it gets.
California was NEVER paradise and it didn't get lost...The people of California let it get into the mess its in...They elected Finestein, Boxer, Brown etc....I say Tough poo poo..If they don't like it, leave or get active and unelect these slugs..FYI I graduated from school in California lived there for too long...Don't miss it...
....certainly California is at the front of it deserves what it gets....
As a proud non resident, I couldn't agree with you more. The fault is all mine for not thinking much of what the state has become and now represents. I could only hope that there're a few holdouts. Do you know any?
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I'm not buying that as being the sole reason for leaving America. There's too many places you can farm, and irrigate, in the USA without the "threat" of water shutoffs. And yes, I'm well aware of the potential water supply problems facing American farmers.
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I'm not buying that as being the sole reason for leaving America. There's too many places you can farm, and irrigate, in the USA without the "threat" of water shutoffs. And yes, I'm well aware of the potential water supply problems facing American farmers.
SRH
Water licenses for farming operations have existed in the Province of Alberta since the 1920's.
As of 2005 the Provincial Government of Alberta put a moratorium on water licenses in the South Saskatchewan River Basin and I believe throughout the rest of Alberta. No new water licenses will be issued. That area holds the most of the farming and irrigation land. From that time on if you wanted a water license you had to barter and buy from another who was willing to sell. As a land developer in the area I have been involved in a few major water license sales and purchases. Sales for an acre/foot can range up to $10,000 and a host of restrictions.
If you come to Alberta looking to farm on land that needs water for irrigation or cattle the land purchase had better come with a water license or you can forget it. You simply cannot purchase enough water for those kinds of operations within the tributary you are seeking.
I was involved in a seminar held by the Province of Alberta and they were seriously contemplating that rain water as soon as it hit a grounded object i.e. a building, or the ground would become Provincial water. The legal ramifications soon became apparent and they deceased in that direction.
Don't mean to highjack the thread, just putting facts straight. Don't come to Alberta thinking water is free.
. Are you toying with us SKB?? Commune in Boulder, CO......the word communism comes from its base, commune. I don’t want to live in Colorado, no matter it’s beauty, nor California, despite its native beauty. Way, way, way to socialistic for me. What is it going to take for America to wake up to the reality that socialism is disaster?? Unfortunately, I’m guessing war will be the only thing that wakes America up, including CO and CA, unfortunately, but likely reality. 😔
Stan you don't have to buy it, I don't care..They went home, except for Clive who had married an ozzie...They de emigrated..Cousins are still there and Donald farms in Ontario...
I don’t buy it either, Stan. Bullshit is still bullshit, and it’s thick,stinky brown stuff. But, I wish my fine little English pointer, Grace would quit rolling in it every single time she hunts. She thinks bullshit is soooo good it even covers her scent. But, she’s fixing to find out it’s rather painful (by email) to believe bullshit actually is good and that it facetiously covers scent. Bullshit is not good, but rather very stinky and a drag to clean off electronic collars. Bullshit sucks bad. So there LD, bullshit is stinky and it’s a drag.
And there is sure a lot of it on this forum...exceeded only by pomposity and arrogance...I think Buzzy, you need to spend some time on the commune in Boulder..You likely will be a Bernie fan..bernietard I meant to say...
And there is sure a lot of it on this forum...exceeded only by pomposity and arrogance...I think Buzzy, you need to spend some time on the commune in Boulder..You likely will be a Bernie fan..bernietard I meant to say...
HaHa LD. It will be a very cold day in HELL when I support a socialist like Bernie Sanders.
I would not toy with you guys. I thought you knew me better than that. We do not need more residents but if you want to come out for a visit and raise your consciousness I could borrow both a vest and a Subaru, pick you up at the airport and drop you at the local Ashram
To the docs here: what is the proper psychiatric term for people who parade their mental illness in public? Life in Berkeley accustoms one to schizophrenics babbling on street corners, but our pal Keith is different. Is Proctocephalic Personality Disorder recognized in the DSM 5?
I believer that POTUS is the current all encompassing term you are looking for.
For Last Dollar, here's one of those Quotes by a prominent supporter of anti-gun Democrats that he feels is "out of context". The repeated contention that the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a relatively recent invention by the NRA hardly seems out of context to me. I think that's just more of the deep and dishonest denial that supporting anti-gunners makes one responsible for the kind or restrictions that lawmakers in Kalifornia are placing on law abiding citizens:
Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.
I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.
I would not toy with you guys. I thought you knew me better than that. We do not need more residents but if you want to come out for a visit and raise your consciousness I could borrow both a vest and a Subaru, pick you up at the airport and drop you at the local Ashram
If Ashram is what you call bars out there, then yeah, I’m in.
Originally Posted By: canvasback
This is the funniest thread I have read in a long time.
What else are we going to babble on and on about? Cracked shells?
_________________________ Hockey and golf, golf and hockey. Crosby sucks.
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I'm not buying that as being the sole reason for leaving America. There's too many places you can farm, and irrigate, in the USA without the "threat" of water shutoffs. And yes, I'm well aware of the potential water supply problems facing American farmers.
I would not toy with you guys. I thought you knew me better than that. We do not need more residents but if you want to come out for a visit and raise your consciousness I could borrow both a vest and a Subaru, pick you up at the airport and drop you at the local Ashram
If Ashram is what you call bars out there, then yeah, I’m in.
Originally Posted By: canvasback
This is the funniest thread I have read in a long time.
What else are we going to babble on and on about? Cracked shells?
_________________________ Hockey and golf, golf and hockey. Crosby sucks.
Just about everyone has come out to play on this one!
Steve, I'm in too. BTW, those leftist chicks are fun if you're single.
LR, all I can say is the Jets are making up for the Habs!
No, no we have bars in addition to ashrams. The bars are where the normal folk go to tell jokes about our local population persecuted minorities......you know, the Caucasian Buddhists. If you coming to visit give me a bit of notice. It will takes some time to dig of my Tibetan prayer flags. Namaste
I am not sure what you mean by "holdouts"? Our family, farmers, ranchers "bailed out" a fairly long time ago as the Uncles saw the handwriting vis the water problems. One to Australia. two to Alberta.
I'm not buying that as being the sole reason for leaving America. There's too many places you can farm, and irrigate, in the USA without the "threat" of water shutoffs. And yes, I'm well aware of the potential water supply problems facing American farmers.
SRH
I no longer believe that voting certain way is ever going to change anything. I honestly thank that when Newt runs short of cash and needs more he calls Nancy on special secure line for more and she gives it to him. One constantly looks at their situation. I'm going to look at my taxes for this year and next to see what happens. There comes a point where one is better off packing bags and leaving for where the "grass is greener". I have been hearing about these "heavenly" places with lower taxes, universal heath care, paid vacations, paid maternal leave for 6 months or more,......I notices they never mention any specific countries, but me wants to live in that Utopia.
He is planning to win re-election and Latinos make larger voting pool with each election cycle. The educated "Dreamers" provide viable workforce that can be used, therefore, sending them back makes zero sense. Assuming Congress members who "can't tie their own shoes" will do nothing like Obama he will step in and solve the "problem" for them. This is incredibly easy concept to grasp.
I'm going to look at my taxes for this year and next to see what happens. There comes a point where one is better off packing bags and leaving for where the "grass is greener". I have been hearing about these "heavenly" places with lower taxes, universal heath care, paid vacations, paid maternal leave for 6 months or more,......I notices they never mention any specific countries, but me wants to live in that Utopia.
As you allude to I’m not sure your “heavenly” place exists. All we can hope for is that we’re on occasion a scummy ginger cat. But we’re mostly just cute furry squirrels. Enjoy the moments you are a cat.
As you allude to I’m not sure your “heavenly” place exists. All we can hope for is that we’re on occasion a scummy ginger cat. But we’re mostly just cute furry squirrels. Enjoy the moments you are a cat.
Me still looking for them Utopian Countries conservatives are talking about. You know, them ones with lower taxes, universal healthcare (where people don't go bankrupt from serious illness), paid vacations, paid maternity leave for at least six months....... No "Shithole Countries" please.
If you post up a picture or two, I bet we could scrape up a few donations and put you on six month maternity leave. And, I think you have it wrong, the places that you want to be utopia, are the shiiteholes.
If you post up a picture or two, I bet we could scrape up a few donations and put you on six month maternity leave. And, I think you have it wrong, the places that you want to be utopia, are the shiiteholes.
There could be some benefit to "shiteholes" becoming utopian places. For example, there would be no need to spend 15 to 20 billion on a wall. I don't need any money, but fhanks for the thought anyway.
Hey, any of you California residents.....is the New California effort a wacko pipe dream or does it have some chance. My understanding is they are trying to follow the US Constitution and they have the example/precedent of West Viginia to guide them.
Canvasback - there has been talk of dividing California into North and South or urban and rural forever, but it never goes anywhere. There is also a longstanding movement to join rural northern CA and southern Oregon as the State of Jefferson that actually has a lot of support in those counties. They are politically overwhelmed and neglected by the big cities, which are home to the great majority of the state's population. One of the biggest issues is water - so much of NoCal's water is piped south that the Sacramento River Delta and San Francisco Bay are dying, while farmers chafe at regulations which attempt to save some water to keep that very large estuary alive. Because of poor water quality and volume in the Delta, and the fish-grinding pumps which feed the huge aqueducts, we have nearly lost our salmon and some other fish species. However, the cities of SoCal and the farmers have a lot more clout than sport and commercial fishermen. Fear of losing control of the water means that the cities would never cede political control to rural counties.
Hey, any of you California residents.....is the New California effort a wacko pipe dream or does it have some chance. My understanding is they are trying to follow the US Constitution and they have the example/precedent of West Viginia to guide them.
The West Virginia precedent is thin at best. During the War, Virginia extended up past the huge bituminous coal region of western Pennsylvania and subsequent furnaces of Pittsburgh and its tremendous steel and iron capability. This geographical salient into the North made Washington very nervous. A lot of irregularities, voting and otherwise were associated with this disunion from Virginia.
Quoted from
Pittsburgh During the Civil War 1860-1863
Beth Trapani Carnegie Mellon University Carnegie Mellon University Research Showcase
Page 6 states that,
"Pittsburgh was also a bastion of industrial strength that helped the North to win the Civil War. One of the City's most important contributions was the Rodman guns cast at the Fort Pitt Works, which supplied the North with 1,193 cannons during the war—nearly 15 percent of the total manufactured.20 Not only did Pittsburgh's mills pump out steel and its arsenals create guns and other war supplies, but boats of many kinds used in the war on the Mississippi were built in Pittsburgh, particularly the steam rams which helped to smash the Confederate fleets at Memphis."
Many in Hillbilly today feel this vote and subsequent separation was a sham.
Of course this perspective depends on the books you read and the people you ask.
Why should anyone care what happened in 1860-1863? What might be significant to members of this board is that the best shotgun cartridges are loaded in Kearneysville West Virginia.
Why should anyone care what happened in 1860-1863? What might be significant to members of this board is that the best shotgun cartridges are loaded in Kearneysville West Virginia.
You are such a moron, JM. They might care about it in a country that actually gives a shit about it’s Constitution and tries to follow the rule of law. Unlike the shithole you started in.
Why should anyone care what happened in 1860-1863? What might be significant to members of this board is that the best shotgun cartridges are loaded in Kearneysville West Virginia.
You are such a moron, JM. They might care about it in a country that actually gives a shit about it’s Constitution and tries to follow the rule of law. Unlike the shithole you started in.
It was a "shithole" because it was not independent free country. That is because when free it was lead by incompetent if not stupid politicians. There were two alliances to choose from either Germany or the Soviet Union instead they chose Great Britain and France neither of which could be counted on. We know what happened later so we don't have to go there. The responsibility of voters in to constantly monitor their representatives to see if they serve their best interests and interests of the country they represent.
I envy you because you were not born in a "shithole", therefore, you can live comfortably and die in peace where you were born.
It was a "shithole" because it was not independent free country. That is because when free it was lead by incompetent if not stupid politicians. There were two alliances to choose from either Germany or the Soviet Union instead they chose Great Britain and France neither of which could be counted on. We know what happened later so we don't have to go there. The responsibility of voters in to constantly monitor their representatives to see if they serve their best interests and interests of the country they represent.
I envy you because you were not born in a "shithole", therefore, you can live comfortably and die in peace where you were born.
So your solution was to emigrate to the United States so you could vote for incompetent Liberal Left anti-gun Democrats like your hero Barack Hussein Obama??? We are not colonists, and we owe our individual freedom and national independence to our right to possess firearms. But you choose to vote for people who work tirelessly to weaken and strip us of those rights.
Hell, you even vote for people who gave $$$Billions to North Korea so they could now be in a position to threaten Hawaii and the mainland with nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles. And thanks to Obama, Iran will be the next to threaten the world with nukes unless Trump can stop them. Yet Libtards blame him for taking us to the brink of war.
canvasback was right Jagermeister... you are a moron... as is any gun owner who would even consider voting for someone who would gut the 2nd Amendment. Obama had a 100% anti-gun voting record as a State and U.S. Senator, so his promises to respect the 2nd Amendment should have been recognized as lies by people like you, rocky mtn bill, homer, Dr. Wanker, Last Dollar, Obsessed With Obama, and other FUDD's who supported him.
Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.
King Brown made this statement claiming Obama kept his "legislative gun in his holster" AFTER Obama did all he could to restrict our gun rights in 2013. Thanks for stabbing us in the back as you pretend to be gun guys!
I have always voted for those that I suspected would have my best interest in mind increased gun restriction was never on the "menu". Why did you post that nice picture with stupid "Gun" tags. It should be obvious to anyone with few ounces of gray matter that Barrack Hussain Obama was in more danger than someone like you or I.
I will say one thing those stupid and useless bump fire stocks devices should have not been approved for manufacture or sale. They contributed to death of innocents and put question of high capacity semi-auto ownership by private citizen in danger again. I assume that many if not most of those shot in Nevada were good conservative citizens.
If voting twice for Obama was in your best interests, one would think that by now, you might be able to afford at least one lousy double shotgun instead of being a drooler and tire-kicker who is constantly worried that they will decline in value.
And why wasn't increased gun restriction on the menu? You spend countless hours on various firearms websites attempting to dishonestly portray yourself as a shooter, hunter, and owner of guns that you have on Layaway or 24 hour hold. I'm no fan of bump stocks either, but bump stocks didn't kill anyone. Those conservative citizens were killed by a mentally ill madman who had no prior criminal history and passed background checks for every one of his firearms. But your president Obama pushed long and hard to impose Universal Background Checks as a way to create a National Gun Registry.
The shooter in Las Vegas could just as easily killed and maimed a large number of people by other methods. The death toll is far short of the 87 killed with a dollars worth of gasoline in the 1990 Happyland Dance Club arson murders or the 86 killed and 458 injured in the 2016 Nice, France truck attack. No bump stocks required... moron.
If voting twice for Obama was in your best interests, one would think that by now, you might be able to afford at least one lousy double shotgun instead of being a drooler and tire-kicker who is constantly worried that they will decline in value.
And why wasn't increased gun restriction on the menu? You spend countless hours on various firearms websites attempting to dishonestly portray yourself as a shooter, hunter, and owner of guns that you have on Layaway or 24 hour hold. I'm no fan of bump stocks either, but bump stocks didn't kill anyone. Those conservative citizens were killed by a mentally ill madman who had no prior criminal history and passed background checks for every one of his firearms. But your president Obama pushed long and hard to impose Universal Background Checks as a way to create a National Gun Registry.
The shooter in Las Vegas could just as easily killed and maimed a large number of people by other methods. The death toll is far short of the 87 killed with a dollars worth of gasoline in the 1990 Happyland Dance Club arson murders or the 86 killed and 458 injured in the 2016 Nice, France truck attack. No bump stocks required... moron.
Nope, I don't spend countless hours on various firearms websites.
Now there's another lie. You have told us about other firearms website you visit. You have over 9000 posts here, and you don't even own a double gun. You even participate in some Polish firearms website that you have told us about... Loweicki, PL or something like that.
You have some weird and pathetic need to portray yourself as a gun guy and an expert on doubles (even though you don't own any), yet you support anti-gunners like Obama who did nothing to improve your financial situation while they attempted to restrict access to firearms, magazines, and ammunition. And you call me an assh*le???
There's yet another lie Jagermeister. I took craigd's advice and used the QUOTE function to unmask what was censored. Unless you lose your nerve and delete this post too, anyone can do the same to see what you typed. I'm sure you wouldn't call me that to my face, or folks might call you "toothless moron".
Like I wrote I did not call you an "assh*le". I would not mind calling you an [censored] to your face, [censored]. You wrote in the past you understand where I'm coming from it's obvious that you do not.
Wow. Your keyboard courage is impressive. In reality, I'm sure it is equal to the number of double guns you own... zero.
I do understand where you are coming from. Gun guys, and even pretend gun guys like you, who vote for politicians who wish to separate them from their guns, obviously have their heads up their ass.
