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Posted By: Robertovich Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/15/18 09:22 AM
May be help someone to figure out the model numbers.

https://wp.me/p461yQ-2Hi

Please, use Google Translate

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Posted By: Argo44 Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/15/18 03:33 PM
R I'll post the photos....it's the weekend and people are out hunting. The article looks very complete and interesting.









Posted By: skeettx Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/15/18 03:49 PM
http://uplandjournal.ipbhost.com/topic/16212-1957-16ga-jp-sauer-sxs-model-8/

Made April of 1958?

Mike
Posted By: eeb Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/15/18 10:46 PM
Uncle Joe died in 1952 or ‘53.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/16/18 11:15 AM
It's a trade gun compared to my Model 8.
Posted By: 1cdog Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/16/18 11:33 AM
You would think Joe could do better than that.
Posted By: bonny Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/16/18 11:37 PM
Originally Posted By: eeb
Uncle Joe died in 1952 or ‘53.


Best thing he ever done.
Posted By: Argo44 Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/16/18 11:39 PM
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-death-stalin-180965119/

Beria was arrested and executed shortly after the death of Stalin....he was pleading for his life.
Posted By: bonny Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/17/18 08:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Argo44
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-death-stalin-180965119/

Beria was arrested and executed shortly after the death of Stalin....he was pleading for his life.


I never knew what stopped him pushing on in 1945 and taking europe over completely. He was a big a monster as Hitler, and in some ways maybe even worse.
Posted By: Argo44 Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/17/18 08:42 PM
Creation of NATO....1 million US troops in W. Europe and the A-bomb. It's not that Stalin didn't try by using W.European communist parties. The French communist party regularly polled 20%, Italians likewise; The Greeks fought a three year acharnique civil war....

I've written an English language dictionary of the Cold War...it's up to 80 pages now. I may publish it at some point: A portion sample from "L":

Leningrad Affair - After WWII Stalin used Leningrad party chief Zhdanov to attack Beria’s prominence. However, when Zhdanov died suddenly in 1948, Beria purged his supporters.

Libertarian Marxism - Marx: Economic and philosophical schools which emphasized anti-authoritarian aspects of Marxism growing out of “Left Communism” in direct opposition to “Marxism-Leninism.” It rejects the need for a “revolutionary party” to intervene on behalf of the workers.

Libertarian Socialism - Anti-authoritarian political philosophies within the Socialist movement that rejects centralized state ownership and control of the economy.

Libertarianism - US: The core belief that the individual is the primary unit of a national government and that any organized government must be minimal to protect the rights of the individual

“L’Humanite” - French Communist Party newspaper.

Lick-Spittle - Communist insult used against anyone opposing the central Communist apparatus.

Lin Piao, General - ChiCom Chief of Staff in the 1960’s-70’s allied with Jiang Ching, Mao’s wife and here extreme left clique, the Gang of Four. One month after Mao’s September 1976 death, as the Gang of Four were being purged, Lin Piao tried to flee to the Soviet Union and was killed in a mysterious plane crash in Mongolia. He was then erased from Chinese history and became a non-person.

Lincoln Brigade - American volunteer progressive mercenary brigade on the side of the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War 1935-39. Fighting in the Brigade became a Progressive bragging point See Orwell, George; Homage to Catalonia.

Little Green Book - Qadaffi’s sayings - waved at mass meetings in Libya copying Mao and is Little Red Book.

Little Red Book - Chinese - book of Mao’s saying which was required study for everyone in Mainland China during and after the Cultural Revolution. The book was waved Hitler salute style and innumerable parades and was adopted slavish style by American granola revolutionaries.

Liquidated - Communist term for those destroyed, erased, executed, killed or disappeared.

Lockerbie - 1988 bombing of Pan Am 103 airline over Scotland y Qaddafi of Libya.

Lon Nol - Cambodian general who overthrew Prince Norodom Sihanouk in 1970 and then issued an ultimatum for the North Vietnamese Army troops (NVA) to leave his country. This marked the formal entry of Cambodia into the 2nd Indochina War (Vietnam War).

London School of Economics - British elite university that essentially taught socialism for 50 years and contributed to the destruction of 50 economies by Socialist third worlders who studied there.

Long March - 1934-35 movement of Mao’s Communist force from south China to north China pursued by the Kuomintang of Chiang Kai Shek. 9,000 km. Enabled Mao Tse Tung to consolidate his power over the communist party of China.

Long Telegram - 1946: See “X Article” and “Clifford-Elsey Report”. It was authored by George Kennen and sent from the American consulate in Kiev, laying out the essence of Soviet Communism and laying the ground-work for the US policy of containment.

Lop Nur - Chinese nuclear test site in Sinjiang (Xienjiang) Province.
Posted By: eeb Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/17/18 10:49 PM
Don’t forget the Oxford/Cambridge spy ring and their Fellow Travelers in the Ivy League and US State Dept. The original denizens of the Swamp.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/17/18 11:25 PM
During my long tenure in our nation's capital the saying was that to work at State Department one needed to have an Ivy League education and then turn left.
Posted By: GLS Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/17/18 11:45 PM
Johnny Cash was a USAF continuous wave (Morse code) radio intercept operator who specialized in Russian radio traffic. He was the first Westerner to learn of Stalin's death.
Posted By: bonny Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 12:02 AM
I meant really why didn't stalin try in the immediate aftermath of ww2, instead of stopping at Berlin, keep going until he hit the west coast of France. I would imagine it was in his head to do so. There was an interview with a British army officer who was in berlin in the end of the war, he said the Russians were obviously the next enemy by their behaviour and demeanour, openly aggressive.
Posted By: King Brown Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 01:29 AM
Red Army was bled white, conducting the biggest aerial, armoured, infantry battles of the war, and US had the bomb.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 02:21 AM
Originally Posted By: GLS
Johnny Cash was a USAF continuous wave (Morse code) radio intercept operator who specialized in Russian radio traffic. He was the first Westerner to learn of Stalin's death.


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Posted By: Argo44 Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 03:06 AM
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There were a lot of things going on post WWII in Europe. The lights were winking out. The governments of Eastern European countries "liberated" by Moscow were being overturned and tyrants put in place - Rakosi in Hungary, etc. But it was not an immediate process it wasn't until George Kennan wrote the "Long Telegram" from the US Consulate in Kiev in 1946 which laid out the essence of Stalin and the Soviet system that the US mobilized. It was the origin of the Clifford-Elsey Report and was published as the "X article" in "Foreign Affairs" in Jan 1947. It and the Clifford-Elsey Report became the basis for the US policy of containment and of the Marshall Plan. Churchill knew Stalin..but I will give Truman this - he recognized Stalin's nature - FDR never did - and he acted (even while virtually disbanding the military) That Long Telegram is worth reading...
https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/coldwar/documents/pdf/6-6.pdf

As for Beria....here is some stuff....a man for all nightmares...and his famous saying "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime," could in some ways fit into the philosophy of a certain American prosecutor today,

Lavrenti Pavlovich Beria was a Georgian, like Stalin, who called him ‘my Himmler’. Involved in revolutionary activities from his teens and head of the secret police in Georgia in his twenties, he supervised the ruthless 1930s purges in the region and arrived in Moscow in 1938 as deputy to Nikolai Yezhov, ‘the blood-thirsty dwarf’, head of the Soviet secret police. He soon succeeded Yezhov, who was shot on Stalin’s orders, apparently at Beria’s prompting. Beria, who went on to run the Soviet network of slave-labour camps, was notorious for his sadistic enjoyment of torture and his taste for beating and raping women and violating young girls. Bald and bespectacled, by the time of Stalin’s death in 1953 he was one of the most hated men in the country.

With Stalin gone, Beria quickly came to an understanding with Georgi Malenkov, an old ally, and was given the combined ministries of State Security and Internal Affairs, which put him in control of both the secret and the regular police as well as a small private army of infantry divisions. He now improbably began to urge an easing of Stalinism that went further than his colleagues were ready for. Many of them feared him almost as much as they had feared Stalin himself and a lethal plot was hatched against him.

Accounts of what happened vary considerably, but it seems that Beria’s downfall was engineered by Nikita Khrushchev, secretary to the Party Central Committee, who quietly secured the support of other powerful figures, including Malenkov and a number of generals. On June 26th, apparently, at a hastily convened meeting of the Presidium, Khrushchev launched a blistering attack on Beria, accusing him of being a cynical careerist, long in the pay of British intelligence, and no true Communist believer. Beria was taken aback and said, ‘What’s going on, Nikita?’, and Khrushchev told him he would soon find out. The veteran Molotov and others chimed in against Beria and Khrushchev put a motion for his instant dismissal. Before a vote could be taken, the panicky Malenkov pressed a button on his desk as the pre-arranged signal to Marshal Zhukov and a group of armed officers in a nearby room. They immediately burst in, seized Beria and manhandled him away.

Beria’s men were guarding the Kremlin, so the officers had to wait until nightfall before smuggling him out in the back of a car. He was taken first to the Lefortovo Prison and subsequently to the headquarters of General Moskalenko, commander of Moscow District Air Defence, where he was imprisoned in an underground bunker. His arrest was kept as quiet as possible while his principal lieutenants were rounded up – some were rumoured to have been shot out of hand – and regular troops were moved into Moscow.

The Central Committee spent five days convincing itself of Beria’s guilt and R.A. Rudenko, an experienced prosecutor well known to Khrushchev, was appointed to make certain that the police chief was expeditiously tried, condemned and executed with the maximum appearance of legality. Pravda announced Beria’s fall on July 10th, crediting it to the initiative of Comrade Malenkov and referring to Beria’s ‘ criminal activities against the Party and the State’. On December 17th, Rudenko’s office announced that Beria and six accomplices, encouraged by foreign intelligence agencies, had been conspiring for many years to seize power in the Soviet Union in order to restore capitalism. A special tribunal was set up. The accused were allowed no representation and no appeal. When the death sentence was passed, according to General Moskalenko, Beria fell to the floor and begged on his knees for mercy. It was not a quality he had shown to others, and it was not now shown to him. He and his confederates were taken away and promptly shot. His wife and son were sent to a Siberian labour camp.

Beria was 54, if it was really him. Alternative versions have him shot or strangled months before, with a double standing trial in December. Beria’s son Sergo believed this and says he was told of his father’s death on June 26th. Presumably the point would have been to make certain of the sinister police chief’s demise, while putting a varnish of legality on it later on. It may have happened that way, but it seems unlikely.
Posted By: GLS Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 02:01 PM
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Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 03:44 PM
Originally Posted By: GLS
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I did. Didn’t know Johnny was a 2621/CTr which makes him even cooler.

Just don’t think that kind of traffic was sent in the clear and even if it was I’m guessing he didn’t know Russian.

Great MOS...26xx/CTx


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Posted By: GLS Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/18/18 04:01 PM
I guess more accurate to say that he copied the transmission. 73 de NN4CW
Posted By: Argo44 Re: Stalin`s shotgun and etc. - 09/19/18 01:37 PM
05B4S.....WB4IPW (now expired)
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