I bought two pounds but haven't used it because I'm waiting for in-the-blind reports and recipes closer to my supplies at hand, particularly the latter. Switch to TSS worth the cost and effort?

Great, let us know when you have test results, our season has not yet started

King, I'd say TSS is probably not worth it for waterfowl. The new Federal TSS loads are $7.00 a shot. I don't know what your reloading cost is. For Turkeys they're probably worth it...Geo

This may help if the link works.

https://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=849473


What size shot did you buy.

I’ve been thinking about the exact same thing. I’ve been thinking about hand loads using # 5 or #6 shot size. I have been shooting TM in #5 and just about out of bismuth in #6

My take on TSS. It would work well if you want to take your 410/28 to the duck blind, beyond that I see it as a crutch to replace hunting skills.

If you know how to find places where ducks want to be, place your decoys so they want to land in them, call to get their attention and give them confidence that it is OK to land there it doesn't make any difference what shot you use as most of your shots will be in skeet field distances. You also have to have patience to wait for those shots.

I used steel in a SKB-100 for many years and when I found Bismuth and ITX-10 for reloading my old sxs's went back in the field. I use ITX 6's and Bismuth 5's for all my waterfowl hunting now, 7/8-1 oz on the 12's and 3/4 oz in the 16. All I hunt is public lands and kill as many ducks as I care to eat in a year and that is a fair number as I love duck fajitas, sautéed harts/gizzards/livers on my toast in the morning, duck and wildrice casserole, sliced duck breast on rye sandwiches, bacon wrapped duck breasts, goose in sauerkraut with apricot/mustard dipping sauce, you get the picture I like to eat waterfowl.

"Shoot the ducks you know you can kill, pass on the ones you think you can kill", a quote from an old duck hunter I admire a lot.

By that measure, every firearm and shotshell improvement going back to pinfire is a crutch.

I've used it for a decade now in turkey hunting, and consider it by far the best shot for that use. It's also great as a predator load. I dropped a coyote last week at 50 yds with a one ounce load of #8.

I am not much of a duck hunter, but I have tried it on ducks and I don't think it is worth the trouble or expense. The one ounce load of #8 in a 12 gauge gun patterned at 87% through a cylinder choke. That's way too tight for my shooting skills. But I'm a guy who is lucky to get to go duck hunting 5 times in a season, so someone who is serious about it might reach a different conclusion.

From all that I have read, I think the best use of TSS for waterfowl is probably in a duplex load with steel in a smaller gauge gun. A load like this might make you more effective with a 20 gauge gun.

If you are serious about trying it, do some reading on this site:

https://pipesf16.wordpress.com/tss-steel-duplexing-when-is-steel-enough/

The guy who owns this site has done extensive testing of it and is worth reading. Good luck with it.

"By that measure, every firearm and shotshell improvement going back to pinfire is a crutch."

Exactly, untold thousands of waterfowl were killed with percussion and early cartridge guns. People made a living killing waterfowl with them. The Shotgun reached it's peak over 100 years ago. Making ammo and chokes so you can kill a bird at 50 yards because you can't get them to come in to 30 yards or you don't have the patients to wait for them to come in is a crutch.

I can still kill ducks just fine with my muzzle loading shotgun, it shoots the same load as my cartridge shotgun, it is just slower to load.

Just got in from a good morning in the blind. The above settles it for me. I was using handload one-ounce bismuth size 5 in Sauer 16ga Model 8. For my waterfowling, it's just fine. Blacks and mallards aren't wary this early in the season, and I move to 12s regular stuff when the gunning gets serious. With a good dog, they keep me out of trouble. Thank you for your comments. You made up my mind. (My hand loads cost $1.35 each.)

Sounds like the perfect rig for hunting ducks, not only classy but effective.

James, you're welcome to my two pounds. I won't use it. PM address.

When I’m back from Nebraska.

Gee, I really thought I would have gotten first dibs on the TSS shot, along with an honest reply to the questions I asked King to answer in the "Judge brett Kavanaugh" thread in my post #526191.

Simple Questions that King evaded several times.

And especially after canvasback also noted King's unwavering support for anti-gun Liberal Left politicians.



Oh well, it must be a Nationalist bias at work here. I'll buy my own shot, but I'm still curious as to why King evaded some simple questions that would have contributed to a civil discussion where he took my thread off-topic.

I can't give you everything, keith. Isn't a full-time job from a Canadian enough?

I didn't ask for everything King. Simply addressing a few simple questions truthfully would be enough for me. But it seems that you will go to great lengths to steer far from the truth. Remember the good old days when you could simply change the subject or pretend you didn't see questions that you didn't want to answer? But it wasn't me who kept going off-topic in my "Judge Brett Kavanaugh" thread, was it?

A little gratitude first, keith. You are grateful for the full-time job you said I gave you, eh? Be a good sport.

No King, I never said that I was gratified to learn that confronting your incessant dishonesty and anti-2nd Amendment activism would be a full time job. Most normal people fade away after they get busted once or twice. But you just double down, even to the point of denying your own directly QUOTED words.

I guess that's a sickness that even your vaunted Socialized Medicine can't fix.

Your call, keith You said I've given you a full-time job correcting my alleged lies and misrepresentations about gun control and the Second. I said it's a pleasure and I'd answer other questions from you if you were grateful for my beneficence. Say thank you, and I'm at your service.

Well King... this is a tough pill to swallow... but...

Thank You... Thank You for proving to us that there are anti-gunners who pose as gun guys in order to advance the Liberal Left Socialist agenda. Nobody does that better than you, even going so far as to deny your own QUOTED words. Why, you've denied ever seeing any anti-gun sentiments posted here even after seeing your fellow anti-gun troll Ed Good say things like this:



But then, you even deny your own frequent anti-gun rhetoric:



I showed you graphs and statistics proving that Russia, for example, has a much higher murder rate coupled with a much lower rate of firearms ownership than the U.S., but you continue to push the anti-gunners lies.

And Thank You King, for proving to us that Liberalism is a mental disorder... one that permits you to call others liars when they post your own unedited words...

Do you remember when you went on for days calling ME a liar when I mentioned your repeated illegal U.S.-Canada Border crossings with a handgun in your airplane?





That QUOTE contained two lies King, because I never admitted to lying about Jim and George Soros. That was you again. And you had indeed been illegally transporting a pistol in your airplane.

But after several days of calling me a liar, I finally found this, from your post # 360486:

Originally Posted By: King Brown

Carry is mostly prohibited but the Mounties told me when I bought my first one 60-odd years ago that I'd never have any trouble anywhere if I used common sense, not do something foolish with people around. Used it in our wide open spaces and forgot to remove it several times crossing the border in my aircraft.

This was in the early 1980's, shortly after the new and more onerous 1977 Canadian restrictions on possession of handguns. That statement clearly did not refer to a Savage model 24. But I also have other quotes where you admit to repeatedly flying across the border with a handgun. Even your fellow Canadian canvasback noted the seriousness of your activities at the time:



So there you are King... my sincere Thank You for showing us that we must be aware of anti-2nd Amendment Trolls in our midst, and for showing us that your word means nothing.

It is a very special brand of "benificence" that couples pathological dishonesty with anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric on a regular basis, and attempts to pawn it off as civil discourse which we should all welcome here. Thank you for showing us that you do not have the spine to apologize when I proved you were wrong to call me a liar when the real liar was you. Thank You for showing us all that dishonesty is not civility.

As always, my opinions are based solely upon your own words and actions.

Now how about answering those questions from the "Judge Brett Kavanaugh" thread which you are still evading. I don't really expect truthful answers from you, but it is entertaining watching you twist and flail.

I stand by all my posts: opinions of a Canadian liberal. It was a Savage Model 24 in my a/c survival kit, not a pistol, and it's still there.

I said earlier I preferred not to enter the sordid Kavanaugh debate. Since you insist on my opinions, what were your questions?

Here's the complete statement concerning your illegal transport of a pistol King. You clearly weren't referring to a Savage model 24 rifle/shotgun combo gun:



Are you now trying to tell us that carrying a Savage model 24 is mostly prohibited in Canada? And how could you have bought your first one 60-odd years ago when Savage model 24's did not even exist at that time? And why did James (canvasback) warn you that your illegal transport of a pistol could result in you losing your right to own any sort of gun for the rest of your life?

Many of your Canadian Liberal opinions are decidedly anti-2nd Amendment, anti-NRA, and anti-gun. I've QUOTED many of them numerous times. I know you stand by them, but it is a lie to say there is no anti-gun rhetoric contained within them. Embracing and accepting your kind is about as smart as hiring a pedophile to babysit children.

You know what my questions in the "Judge Brett Kavanaugh" thread were. I repeated them several times. I even gave a link so you could easily click and go back to the thread where I posed them:

Simple Questions that King evaded several times.

Playing dumb about them is just further proof of your dishonesty and your twisting, flailing, and evasive behavior when it comes to dancing away from your lies.

Best info I can find is the Stevens 22-410 came out in 1938 or 80 years ago (year I was born). The Savage 24 in the same chambering came out in 1950 or 68 years ago. By 1960 it was also offered in 22 WMR for the rifle chambering.

My Savage 24 breakdown in leather two-pouch case is 22-20ga. with 12-plus 22s and three or four shells in the stock.

keith, I clicked and found one post #526291 from you, nothing about Kavanaugh as I assumed, not even a question, only asking me to prove circumstances of my father's welcome into the Church 25 years ago. Similarly, no question on gun rights except an ask for proof that I worked to end the long-gun registry and am working to stop another registry now.

I've explained earlier why there was nothing radical in accepting Dad within the wide variances of Christian churches, including the Catholic and others who interpret doctrine differently, citing myth and metaphor etc. Look at the tectonic disruption in Roman Catholicism today. The baptism celebrants and bishop of the time are dead. But let's look at "proof" fairly.

You have a different opinion from mine about gun control and the Second. Look at my quotes you've posted above. The Second has been a perpetual debate dividing your country. Prove to me that the quotes are lies and anti-gun rhetoric. Prove Americans see the Second your way, indivisibly. Prove or let it rest.

Rom 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 
Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 

Joh 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 
Joh 12:48  He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 
Joh 12:49  For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 
Joh 12:50  And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. 

It Doesn't matter what any man or any Religion says, Jesus states in no uncertain manner the Words Which "HE" spoke is what man will be judged by.
I would Truly Hate to stand before an Eternal God stating I thought His Son was a Liar, when he claimed to be the Resurrected Savior of the World.

King, just as I predicted, your reply is simply more twisting and more of your evasiveness. You innocently claim you assumed I had questions about Kavanaugh when you know that isn't what we were sparring about when you kept insisting upon taking that thread off-topic.

You totally steered clear of acknowledging your lies concerning your repeated illegal transport of a pistol back and forth across the U.S.-Canadian Border. First you called me a liar for mentioning that illegal transport. Then you concocted the lie that it was a Savage 24 that you illegally crossed the border with. Then I provided a QUOTE from you admitting that you had carried your pistol across the border several times. Later, you changed your story again, and admitted carrying the pistol across the border once in 1983, and illegally carrying a pistol around Canada for decades in your fishing kit:



Later, you concocted yet another story that claimed you had the right to carry a pistol in your airplane because you were a licensed professional trapper. Now that was a new one to those of us who have been treated to your bloviations and your vast resume. But it still wouldn't make it lawful to repeatedly transport a pistol across the border. And that is why canvasback warned you that your behavior could result in you being banned from owning any firearms for the rest of your life.

I see you still cannot come up with a tiny shred of evidence that any Catholic church university, parish, diocese, Priest, Monsignor, Bishop, or Pope has loosened the rules and requirements concerning belief in the Resurrection before Baptism. And it appears you don't want to go near the repeated question of why your father would wish to join a religion that he knew was based upon the biggest lie and fraud in history???

But this isn't your first dishonest pronouncement about religion, is it? You also told us that non-belief in the Resurrection was common in the United Church of Canada, and you dishonestly led us to believe that such positions led to overflowing churches. But that was just more lies. I checked your story and learned that the United Church of Canada had lost over 50% of its' membership in the last 50 years, and was fractured and the fastest declining church in Canada.

Of course, it was perfectly in character for you to cite a failing church and their insane Leftist Liberal leaders, who have strayed far from their roots, and place more emphasis on homosexual Deacons, gay marriage, and whacked-out environmentalist dogma... when their Mission Statement and Founding Principles actually say this:

We believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, Who, for us men and our salvation became man and dwelt among us.

We believe that He lived a perfect human life, wholly devoted to the will of God and the service of man.

We believe that in Him God comes face to face with men; so that they learn that God loves them seeks their good, bears their sorrows and their sin, and claims their exclusive faith and perfect obedience.

We believe that in Jesus Christ God acted to save man, taking, at measureless cost, man's sin upon Himself; that the Cross reveals at once God's abhorrence of sin and His saving love in its height and depth and power; and that the Cross is for all time the effectual means of reconciling the world unto God.

We believe that Jesus was raised victorious over death and declared to be the Son of God with power; and that He is alive for evermore, our Savior and our Lord.

So we acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Son of God Incarnate, the Savior of the world.

And only you King, could argue that your rhetoric concerning the 2nd Amendment is not anti-gun, or that it has any place here in this forum, simply because there are Liberals like you who are in denial of the clear intent of the Framers. It is Liberal Left Socialists like you who frequently resort to dishonesty to twist their words. You would consider it racist to say that Civil Rights is a fraud and a recent invention that has no merit, simply because there is not unanimous acceptance of it. Yet you frequently bring your anti-gun propaganda to this forum on the same basis. You asked me to prove that the QUOTE I posted from you was a lie and anti-gun rhetoric, but I had already done that. It is a fact that there is a much higher per capita murder rate in Russia than in the U.S., despite a much lower rate of firearms ownership there. There are many other similar examples disproving your anti-gun propaganda. But the truth is such a foreign concept to you that you simply will not accept it.

I will not let it rest King. Your anti-2nd Amendment, anti-gun, and anti-NRA rhetoric will be your enduring legacy here. If what you post here is an example of your claims about working to prevent another gun registry in Canada, you will be siding with the anti-gunners... as you do here. Your lies, bullshit, and name-dropping bloviation is just icing on the cake, and proof that Liberalism is a mental illness.

Another what could have been an interesting conversation about non-toxic shot deteriorated into a P-----g Match. Ever think about putting each other on ignore.

Nothing really interesting about non toxic shot...It works it's not worth the cost.

Truth is nothing really beats lead shot for killing things.

I'm more worried about the caravan of invaders headed towards our southern border.

Listen up, dear keith. Your first sentence: look up "insisting." It never happened. If you're referring OT, all members do it from time to time. You're confused about the pistol and Savage Model 24, two separate incidents over widely separated times. The illegal transport in my "hunting kit," of which the Mounties had been informed beforehand concerning its use, resulted in not as much as an admonition or rebuke. It was a different time. The other was illegal transport in my "aircraft survival kit", having forgot to remove it entering the US. Even today the transgression would most likely be accommodated with a warning. I broke the law decades ago. So what?

I've explained how my father was accepted into the Church in the last year of his life. It's irrelevant to me if a bilous person in Ohio doesn't believe it and accuses me of lying. I remember the words of a dear priest and retired professor of our university's philosophy department: "It's enough to come on the last day, on the last breath. There's no litmus test." Many may disagree with him. That's acceptable to me. I respect all faiths, warts and all. I try to follow Christ's injunction to love---and wrestle with it at times. What I won't do is stoke the polarization of anger, fear and hate you've exhibited here which is tearing apart, taking your great country down. It's not the Canadian way.

Have a good day.

I haven't thought of it, oskar, although you make a good point. Closing eyes and ears, from my experience, is the fastest way to irresponsible authoritarianism.

I get around, travel in wide circles, and can say unequivocally that I've never encountered in Canada the immoderation of the US.

Even there, though, I get the sense there's the same enduring struggle of humanity to be human, perhaps by a majority.

Listening this morning on national radio to a Stanford professor explaining US study of how partisan politics is affecting how citizen choose marriage partners!

I get slapped around here for my opinions by Canadian and American members who don't let politics affect their friendships.

It will stay that way. Believe me.

I wonder where Steven Gregory Yzerman winds up? Detroit or Seattle.
Gotta be Detroit.


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Love these hockey threads. Go Wings!

I'm not following it that closely, lonesome. I am confused, though. My memory says I met him with Detroit teammates in a Montreal hotel elevator in the maybe late 60s. Who was their captain then?

This is Doublegunshop.com not Worldpoliticsdebate.com. It has really gone down hill since all topics got mixed in with double gun discussions.

No King, I haven't confused the Savage 24 with the pistol. You admitted that you transported a pistol to Oshkosh in 1983.

I really doubt if that illegal activity would result in a mere warning. Canvasback knows your laws and apparently agrees. But this isn't about ratting you out to the Mounties or Homeland Security. This is about you going so low as to accuse me of lying, in order to cover your own dishonesty. That's the kind of fake gentleman you are. A real piece of work.

And that dovetails with your obvious Bullshit story concerning your father's conversion and Baptism. You can say "I was there" 'till the cows come home, but you still can't give us a shred of proof or the name of a single Catholic parish, priest, diocese, university, bishop, or pope who would back up your false claim that they would knowingly Baptize an adult convert who did not believe in the Resurrection. And you disrespect your own father by suggesting that he would even be foolish enough to wish to join a Church that was built upon a massive lie and a false messiah.

I guess even a really good liar can't come up with any way to rationally explain that, so best to not even go near it, eh?

This little exercise wasn't about you repeatedly breaking the law. This was about letting you show everyone just how desperate and pathetic you are when caught telling lies. But what else would we expect from someone who repeatedly comes here and posts anti-2nd Amendment propaganda, such as claiming that the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms was recently invented by John Ashcroft or the NRA???... and then claims that such rhetoric is not in any way anti-gun?

By the way, I agree with jOe about non-tox shot and the horde of invaders headed toward our Southern border. And I still don't give a crap what oskar thinks about anything. I wonder why he felt I would?

oskar

All the political and hockey goblins used to be confined to ‘The Rez’ aka misfires but got thrown out into the world when that was shut down.

King

You must have had your bell rung one too many times crossing the trolley tracks by the “k” train. You’re thinking of the great Alex Delvecchio. Please don’t use the M word. A large city in Kwee-beck is preferred.


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You keep lyin’ when you oughtta be truthin’. Nancy Sinatra

You nailed it, Delvecchio. Thanks. I did meet The Rocket, saw him at the Forum, my hair straight-up every time he crossed the blue line.

Thirteen secret steps for Harvard admission—they may not help—in yesterday’s Walleye Journal

Step 10: Be an all-star hockey player.

Off to Grinder U for me.


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Grinder: (ice hockey slang) A hard working, physical player with limited offensive abilities. Usually dumb as a box of hammers.

Met the Pocket, Yvon Cournoyer, Davie Keon and got to know Eddie Shack quite well. That's as close as I come to that era.

Played high school hockey with Brian Engblom of the Habs. He was pretty good but I never imagined he's have a career in the NHL. Late bloomer. Hard worker.

Saw the Chicago Bulls of the Jordan era play a couple times. Dennis Rodman was a classic grinder....man he worked hard.