SN 91919-- model:? Crass, Lewis, Manier? aprox. DOM-- has 28" Nitro Powder Steel barrels DT and EXT--
Thanks- 1903 16 gauge- 2&9/16" chambers??? RWTF
Ithaca went to 16-gauge 2 3/4 inch chambers as "standard" in 1934.
noticed that minier design guns are not included in above
ithaca chart...they were made circa 1907, after the lewis design guns and before the flues design guns...
Ed, I think there were some errors in the serial number chart for Ithaca in our "other useful information" section. I believe I have a correction to this chart which came with Walt Snyder's Ithaca book...Geo
The "best" serial number chronology is in the Second Edition of Walter's book, and it shows the Lewis Model beginning in production during 1901, at 55000, and going to 123677 in 1906. 91919 would still be 1903, but a Lewis Model.
Any of these serial number chronologies are at best a "best guess" and some like the A.H. Fox one that has been kicking around since Lightner Library did it in 1976, are worth just what you pay for it on the internet.
Thanks-- If I end up with this Crass series Ithaca- I'll use RST 7/8 ox. 2&1/2" paper hulls-in it--RWTF
RWTF, I have 105xxx, a 1904 Lewis, 16 ga w/ 28”. It’s a sweet gun. Hope you get it.
The "best" serial number chronology is in the Second Edition of Walter's book, and it shows the Lewis Model beginning in production during 1901, at 55000, and going to 123677 in 1906. 91919 would still be 1903, but a Lewis Model.
Researcher is on spot here. #91919 is a Lewis model. The visual/mechanical differences: The Lewis model has a Top lever bolt as well as the under bolting. The number of screws/pins showing on the side of the frame varies. The Crass has five, the Lewis four.
Love those Ithacas,
John
You nailed it-- this has the bolted style top lever- and 4 screw heads visible on the side of the frame-- Is this Lewis design less "complicated" than the Crass design that preceded it? Are the firing pins integral with the hammers- as on a Parker or a Fox? What does the "S" stamped on the water table signify? Thanks to one and all- RWTF
The fifth frame screw is still there on the Lewis, its just hidden under the wood...Geo
You nailed it-- this has the bolted style top lever- and 4 screw heads visible on the side of the frame-- Is this Lewis design less "complicated" than the Crass design that preceded it? Are the firing pins integral with the hammers- as on a Parker or a Fox? What does the "S" stamped on the water table signify? Thanks to one and all- RWTF
RWTF, The Lewis is very similar to the Crass. I would not consider either to be a complicated design. The firing pins are frame mounted. The "S" signifies the grade as a Quality 1 Special, so it should have a semi- pistol grip stock and fluid steel barrels.
John
Right on the money- and thanks.. I only went by what the late Michael McIntosh wrote in his book "Best Guns"-- I'm going back to the local sport shop that has this 16- see if the barrels "ring"- and check the chokes, trigger pulls, firing pins with snap caps- good stock dims (for me)-- as are those on my 1929 era 12 gauge 2E grade NID-- RWTF
Gonna pass on this-- 28" barrels choked Imp. Mod. & Full- clean, no pits, pass the ring test- chambers are 2&9/16-- but the deal breaker is the very heavy trigger pulls and the small size top safety and the slight travel- hard to see the S on the top tang strap- albiet the only real safety is the one located between the ears-- also, price of RST 2&1/2 paper hull 16 7/8 ounce loads is a tad higher than for either 20 or 12- so, I guess my 12 gauge Grade 2E NID will be the only Ithaca in my gun safe-- Thanks for all the fine info and feedback-RWTF