suggestions please...

Berretta A400 carbon fiber rib with kick off.

I have the same situation, arthritis inflammation in right rotator cuff plus a 1/2" long bone spur right in front of it just a bit offset from the joint. I am working on 80 years now, but still get to shoot some. Only last year I shot regularly once a week at least at sporting clays, generally just a single round of 100 birds. I shoot a Browning sporting clays 12 gauge with 32" barrels, fitted with a Graycoil unit that helps a good bit, also has an adjustable comb for a really good stock fit. If you really want lighter recoil, I suggest my second gun, for when the shoulder is really acting up: it's an older Rem 1100 with ported barrels, extended forcing cone, Kickeze pad, just about everything I could think of to help my shoulder last a bit longer. It is definitely easier recoiling, but I really enjoy the fit and feel of the Browning so much more, and my scores show I like it better. I still need a bit of a rub-down for that shoulder when I get home, but that's my story. I haven't found anything better, but maybe I just haven't looked hard enough yet.

12 gauge Browning Superposed with 20 gauge tube set.
Easy to work, not too much recoil, screw in tubes to the tube set.
Ammo is still cheap and effective

Mike

Going to be kinda heavy.

I have friend that shot sporting clays Master class he was in a bad 4 wheeler wreck. Before his wreck he shot a Kriegoff. Truth is he's lucky to be alive. Larry is in his 70s...he claims the Berretta A400 with the kick off is the only gun he has been able to manage....he also shoots a release trigger in it...he hopes to get back to Master class. I don't have much doubt that he will.

Having had a chance to try an a400 with kick off, I gladly agree. Best choice for a recoil issue while still not to heavy.

shot a 12 gauge excl a400 on wednesday with rst one ounce loads...hardly felt a thing...

sounds like thats the way to go...

owner had trigger worked on...

any other issues?

does same gun in 20 ga shoot any softer?

what is "kick off"?

a recoil reduction built into the stock. Its quite effective.

agreed, kick off is quite effective...

another solution is an eight and a half pound 28 ga ithaca nid built from a parts kit...

owner, also with arthritic shoulder, shoots 3/4 oz loads on skeet field and 1 oz loads at released live bird tower shoots...

what about the new skb gas guns made in turkey?

how is recoil with light loads?

So- eddie- you took a NID 10 gauge 3&1/2" Mag- and sleeved the barrels for a 28 gauge-- what are the chokes? Do you have any pictures of this aborted 28 gauge? How many wheelbarrows does it take to move it out to the skeet or dove fields? RWTF

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I’ve got a bad right shoulder too and I shoot right handed. As mentioned above, I would recommend a gas gun too; however, I bought a Beretta A-400 with a kick off thinking that would solve my problems. While shooting the gun, it did seem like I was experiencing less recoil. But, the next day, my shoulder was just as sore as if I had been shooting a fixed breech gun. What I surmised is that my sore shoulder was receiving the same amount of energy no matter the gun, and the same amount of energy was just delivered differently in terms of time, dependent upon the action type. . The only way to reduce actual recoil is to get a heavier gun, less payload and less velocity of the projectile. In the final analysis, the only thing that really helped me was going to the gym and building up muscle around a compromised shoulder joint.

I have rotator cuff and arthritic shoulder and just finished shooting my 125000 regestered target. A friend had me bend at the waist and let my right arm go staight down with a 10 pound weight. I then do 25 six inch circles right and left. Then I make 30 inch circles left and rightto a count of 25 . Within a week I was back shooting. A year later I still do the circles and it's not uncommon to shoot 200 target on a Saturday. NO pain.

bill

I bought my dad .410 inserts for his Beretta EL. It feels like a .22. He also shoots a Daly 20 ga O/U he’s been shooting for decades. Even with shoulder problems, no problem. For rifle shooting, he uses my Rock River AR with a scope from the bench. All work well for him. At 80, he can still run 25 at skeet or trap. He recently used his LC Smith Field Grade to break 25 at trap. Pretty cool:)

Depends on whether the bad shoulder is absorbing recoil or carrying/swinging gun weight.

A400 KO would be a good bet for either situation, or both. Many people have bilateral shoulder issues.

Tubed O/U has little recoil, but lots of weight out front that has to be held and swung.

When I tore my rotator cuff a couple years ago, I looked for a couple of bird guns that would let me keep hunting if I decided to skip the surgery. Could not find Rem 1100s in the configuration I wanted, so I bought Win SX3s in 20 and 12, both field versions with 3" chambers. Very pleased with them. Soft shooting, generally reliable cycling with light loads, not too expensive. Not elegant, but very effective for my needs. The 12ga comes in a target version with 2-3/4" chamber.

Some months after I bought the SX3s, a friend sent me an article claiming that the Rem V3 is the softest shooting semi out there. The article had graphs, so it must be correct, eh?

I would think the A400 in 20g is a good bet. It is lighter than the 12. With the kickoff system and 7/8 oz. it is light and soft and if hunting you could go to one ounce.

sounds like a solution to my problem could be going to a 12 ga a400 and muscle development around the affected area...gotta believe the additional weight of the 12 ga vs 20 ga a400 would result in less felt recoil...i like bill's exercise routine. simple and effective. will give it a try...

as to heavy 28 gauge nid kit gun... owner, he loves it...hardly any felt recoil with skeet loads and tolerable recoil with heavy pheasant loads...

I had rotator cuff surgery last year May, I had a full tear. I started shooting this month with a 20 ga. S & S using the Evoshield shirt with their moulded pad. I'm impressed. The recoil while there, is spread over a larger area. Better than a Past.

Y'all sound like a wore out bunch of ol' men.

Hope I live long enough to get there.

There must be lots of people who like the EvoShield, because they've been selling them at least since 2003, but I'm not one of them. I bought one to take to Argentina that year, thinking it would be good for high volume. I tried it the first day, and after a few minutes took the thing out of the shirt and never used it again. It just feels too unnatural to me to have something thick between the gun butt and me. If I ever get to where I need recoil reduction all the time due to shoulder issues I will fit GraCoils to my guns. I've shot one of them on my Perazzi for close to 15 years now, I guess. It looks like death eating a cracker, but does the job admirably, and with no unnatural feel like a pad in your shirt. The buttstock was given to me to replace the high, Monte Carlo one that was originally on the gun, and it had the GraCoil already on it. JMO,YMMV.

SRH

I agree 100% about the Gracoil unit. Even though my old Rem 1100 with a ported barrel, long forcing cone, and a Kickeze pad certainly recoils less than my Browning 525 clays gun, the Browning has a Graycoil unit on it, the second gun I have had with one. The Browning transmits more rearward thrust to my shoulder than my Rem 1100, but I still enjoy it better and shoot higher scores with it than with the 1100. It's a different feel to the recoil, but even with the arthritic inflammation in the rotator cuff and the bone spur in my shoulder, I shoot it better and have less discomfort than with the 1100, which everybody else says is much lighter recoiling to them. Have to agree with Stan on this one.

"I have rotator cuff and arthritic shoulder and just finished shooting my 125000 regestered target. A friend had me bend at the waist and let my right arm go staight down with a 10 pound weight. I then do 25 six inch circles right and left. Then I make 30 inch circles left and rightto a count of 25 . Within a week I was back shooting. A year later I still do the circles and it's not uncommon to shoot 200 target on a Saturday. NO pain.

bill"...

tried bill's exercise, using a gallon jug of water for weight...

shoulder feels better already...thanks, bill...

maybe i dont have to go to a bareter gas gun after all...

ugly, clunky thangs that they are...

an watts up wid dat sky blue receiver, any hows...

Yssiree- wore out old men. Like a spin on the great movie "No Country For Old Men" Tommy Lee Jones at his bestus- yestus-Festus

Low recoil only thing better than a Beretta 12 G A400 is a 20 G A400. The blue frame target model is heavier than the brown field guns. A400 will handle low recoil shells too. I load 3/4 oz 20’s keeping some 7/8 on hand for longer targets. The A400 will cycle either one.

Have not gone to the A400 20 yet, shooting 20 G barrels on my 12 687. Friend has the A400/20 let’s me shoot it and I want one.

My SXS 20s both light field guns cannot be considered low recoil even with RST shells. Gun weight 6 lbs 10oz recoil hard to overcome with clay adequate loads. Not a problem 50 round courses don’t want to shoot several 200 target days with them. Load some very low recoil 20s for my 11 year old Grandson, Break close Clays fine get past Skeet distances they run out for gas.

Top competition shooters aside, most clay shooters on average courses will shoot higher scores with a light recoil gun. Someone with chronic arthritis will defiantly shoot better low recoil.

Boats

Ed, here's a nice target revolver that I recommend to all of my anti-gun friends:



If we don't hear from you, we'll assume it worked out great!

gee keet, you are too kind...

but den, if ah was to rig up sum kinda swivelin mirror and ah motion sensing strobe lite to hit...den i would no when you was sneakin up on me from behind...

why the strobe lite you ax...well we awl knows dat buggers like you only comes out at nite...