I attempted to make a post on that thread and there was no text box available.

Here's what I wanted to post.

https://www.gunnewsusa.com/2019/08/12/new-hampshire-governor-vetoes-3-gun-control-bills/

Good for him.
Mike

Thanks for that. Good to know New Hampshire has a pro-2nd amendment governor.

I don't know why the other thread got locked. But there are some people who complain to Dave because they hate any gun rights discussions. But they will never admit that they cry to Dave. I think it was interesting to see how King thinks it is devisive to wish to exclude certain people from the "Fraternity" of gun owners... just because they stab us in the back by supporting anti-gunners. I was hoping that King would explain the wisdom of embracing people who are screwing us by electing anti-gunners.

It was equally interesting to see nca225 advancing the silly idea that the NRA and gun owners should cede ground to the anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats who are never satisfied with the many laws we already have. But it does take some intelligence to learn from past errors, so nca225 will never learn.

Under the circumstances, he acted reasonably with Democrats whom he would not cast as enemies. His state is tolerant and temperate, much like our Maritimes. Guns aren't the be-all of everything.

keith, from polls and popular vote, Americans don't see guns as an existential issue, the be-all and end-all of everything. Liberals and conservatives share the same values on many issues. Look it up.

What popular vote King? Did you know that in the US, a popular vote can change the Constitution? Don�t worry too much if not all folks are one issue voters, that doesn�t diminish the importance of any one issue.

Take for example nca�s concern about changing the topic, they�re all important, which is why it�s a head scratcher when you say polar opposites have much in common. We should celebrate our differences, rather than settle for the lowest common denominator, eh?

Mr. Keith -

I believe it is too much to hope for that we have a serious discussion of the issue at hand - that being Red Flag Legislation and Gov. Sununu�s vetoing some ant-gun bills that came across his desk, without the endless hostilities you display on so many threads on this forum.

There is plenty of room here for serious discussion presented from every point of view. Bashing others doesn�t accomplish anything on a public �firearms� forum other than to �divide and conquer� the good people who enjoy using their firearms in the legal manner that best suits them. I�m not preaching diversity nor am I embracing those who would limit our gun rights more than they are now. What I am doing is saying is everyone�s opinion is valid in their own mind and nobody is better than his neighbor. Continuously bashing and trashing good people because their opinion differs from yours is wrong. Arguing points of opinion is a GOOD thing but the hostility you show toward others has no place in our society.

I didn�t post this to draw your ire or your fire - do with it as you wish, but I sincerely hope you think it over and do the right thing. Try to be more tolerant and less hostile.

Thank you for your time.
Dean

I don't cast all Democrats as enemies either King...

...just the Liberal Left Democrats wackos who support the anti-gun politicians who wish to take away the gun rights of law abiding citizens.

Guns aren't the be-all of everything. But guns are the reason those of us who aren't Socialist left wing anti-gun trolls frequent this forum. Most of us enjoy and cherish our freedoms, and don't wish to sell out to a philosophy of failure and a creed of envy.

Keep cool King. A couple hundred years ago, trying to subvert our our Constitution might have gotten you placed in a hang-mans noose. Nowadays, you merely earn your well deserved legacy as a troll who supports anti-gunners.

Mr. Dean,

In case you hadn't noticed, the discussion we were having was the usual crap where a small but vocal minority was advocating giving up certain guns and gun rights in the insane hope that anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats would back away from enacting Red Flag Laws.

Now I realize that some people place more emphasis on other things besides gun rights. Certainly, many feel that we must maintain the right to kill unborn babies up to and even after birth. And we can't forget about giving special rights to convicts, criminals, and illegal aliens. And my gosh, what right thinking person wouldn't wish to tax the hell out of workers and force Corporations to flee to countries with less taxation and regulations. Yeah,,, that's what we should be doing.

You go on embracing those who are stabbing us in the back. I'll keep calling it like it is.

Craig, can we assume that you know the mechanism by which the Constitution can be amended is a bit more complicated than "a popular vote"? It's not like the anti-gun people could put a measure to repeal the 2nd Amendment on the 2020 ballot, and if it were to pass by a majority, then 2A would be repealed.

Well, that�s not exactly what I�m proposing. I think if we listened more closely to them we would know better what we�re up against... what the �enemy� is thinking and proposing, so we would know better how to mount an offense. Wouldn�t you agree that we are ALWAYS put on the defensive by the socialist libs?

I just think we should keep our friends close, but our enemies closer... without entirely alienating them.

The problem is that they will sound like they have decorum and civility if left unquestioned. Reread what nca said, for all his sharing, all it came down to was to either vote like he does, or tough luck if you don�t like it. They aren�t proposing, they are demanding.

Um, I'm pretty sure we, most of us, already know where they're coming from. You are right to acknowledge that they are our enemies. They have been playing the divide-and-conquer game for decades, and as a result, we are still always one or two elections away from losing more of our firearms and freedoms.

Did you notice where nca225 said that it is Republicans who are always using fear as a weapon to keep power? From my perspective, it seems that game is a favorite tool of anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats. The number of people endangered by mass shooters is miniscule compared to people killed by drug overdoses, medical mistakes, teens texting while driving, etc. But liberals zero in on our gun rights by stoking fear. How about the evil Republicans who were supposed to push Grandma over a cliff and steal your Social Security? Oh my, lead shot is killing eagles... even though the eagle population is growing. Then there's climate change and many other red herrings. Talk about fear... did you hear the professor on CNN a couple days ago who claimed Trump would kill more people than the millions killed by Hitler, Mao, and Stalin?

Sorry Dean, we should know who these people are by now, and what their game is. Keeping them close only encourages them and helps them to stab us in the back.

Anyone who embraces them is part of the problem.

I suppose you�re trying to impress on me how difficult it would be to amend the Constitution? Maybe, you could address your thought to King, to put his popular vote claim into perspective?

Americans voted Democrat more than Republican in the last election. Polls show guns are not an existential issue with Americans. Last time I looked it was fifth or sixth place on their minds. My guess is jobs and healthcare takes precedence, shared both ways. Humans are complicated creatures. Enemies talk is silly. Miller, Stan and Geo express opinions different from mine but I would treasure being in their company. I'd learn a few things.

I've stayed out of this topic, until now. Being that I have been mentioned, I will chime in. I just asked my sweet wife how she would rank health care, jobs and gun rights. Without any input from me she replied ...... "Gun rights first. Without the ability to overthrow a despotic government, and defend ourselves, the rest don't really matter". Every year that passes I am more glad I convinced her to marry me. Damn, what a woman!

SRH

Stan, as I have said many times to those struggling to get clarity on the subject of gun regulations.....they are the proverbial canary in the coal mine of governments.

A party or politician's stance on gun rights tells you all you need to know about them. The way they think and how much they will pander and prostitute themselves for votes.

What Stan said wouldn't make me feel differently about him as a person. Same for his wife. And you, too, James, you Upper Canadian Tory!

Well said, James.

I also think it significant that my wife absolutely never frequents gun forums. She's never been on one. She has come to her conclusions on her own. She is an independent thinker, and a brilliant one, at that.

SRH

Polls CAN BE & MOST OFTEN are manipulated to result in any desired outcome. I pay Absolutely no attention to the vast majority of polls.

I did a short while back take part in a mail-in poll. You can BET THE FARM on the fact I gave the 2nd Amendment TOP PRIORITY.

+1

Thats a real good point. I find a lot of comfort and security in knowing with a class 3 stamp I can get a fully automatic machine gun, maybe equip it with a suppressor and then hold off the tanks, attack helicopters, stealth drones, laser guided bombs, cruise missiles and satellite detection that a despotic government is going to send out to make sure I fall into line. Thank god we have the technology we have now in 2019 as opposed to 1779. I hate a fair fight.

It is one thing to have a class 3 stamp, and actually pony up to buy the full auto, and feed it, quite another to believe you are, or could be, �that guy�.

You ain�t that guy, by the way.

Best,
Ted

nca225,

Your attempt to glorify the unlikely, in an effort to mask the realistic, is not lost on me. But, it's so predictable. Practice up, man. Can't you do better than that?

Was Jefferson, and the other founding fathers who foresaw the possibility of tyranny, a total fool, or was he a visionary? We cannot answer that until the answer presents itself, but we are fools if we are not prepared for the worst.

SRH

You are the sharpest tool is the cabal shed Ted!

You are 100%r right, I'm not that guy and probably neither are any of us. We would be dead before we even knew they sent out a drone.

Well, Stan, I do have to question person's state of mind if they think the 2nd amendment is going to save them from a despotic government with today's technology. The only defense against that are alliances, institutions and the courts.

With respect to the vision of the founders, it was visionary of Jefferson and et all, but that protection they put in there became realistically worthless the moment the standing army was created and along with it the military industrial complex to arm it.

The point is not who would win that confrontation, love child. The point is what would be left when it was over. No government would be interested in winning an uprising that only left them with San Francisco and Portland.

Best,
Ted

And likewise your point sure does assume a lot of bravery on the part of your compatriots. My bet is that they would lay down their arms and go home pretty quickly if confronted with the military sent by a despotic government.

My bet is few US servicemen would obey the order. I�d also bet they would quickly turn on UN forces that were involved.



Best,
Ted

Oh, so its the UN we're afraid of and not our own Government. I think there are some details on that you are not fully considering, like were would the UN army come from and who would compose it?

So said those who sided with Britain, when the American colonies decided the risk was worth the possible reward. What was the ultimate result?

You place your hope in "the courts", I'll place mine otherwise.

SRH

Your free to do so. If the sh!t hits the fan, best of luck to you!

You do realize that the small arms that the patriots had at their disposal often were superior to that of a British regular? Sure, musket volleys are devastating to Napoleonic formations in range, but those PA rifles some of our boys had could shoot pinpoint accuracy at better then 3x the distance.

The point being that at the time the technology between the US and Britain was pretty much on par, with the advantage to the US because of the rifle. There is no parity of technology between and armed populace and the military today.

I don't know about that. Anyone who considers himself a patriot and is not a college student nor a millennial living in his mother's basement, is likely to throw it all in to save what we once had and in most zip codes still have - especially those who, like me are retired, collect guns, hunt, love our country, family and friends... would be more than happy to make the ultimate stand - going down in a blaze of glory, so to speak. And who knows, there may be enough of us to make a difference. And if we fail, we did the very best we could for the very best cause possible.

And as Ted said, most in the US Military would disobey such an order and before they could face a firing squad, would quickly turn their weapons on the despotic government that gave such an order.

There would be those who surrendered. There would be those who fought. The insurrection would happen, just as it has happened many times and places before, except those places that have been deliberately disarmed with the promise of �safety�.

History gives us examples. Further your education on the subject, Chris.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Fertig



Best,
Ted

What you overlook, and underestimate, is mindset. It is mindset that carries the day, not equipment. You have overlooked too much historical evidence. Nothing ........... nothing ........... is as important as will.

The real question is not whether the superior equipment of the government will carry the day, it is whether or not the will of those "employed" by that government will be sufficient for them to stay the course. History says they will not. I'm betting on history being right.

SRH

That is nice Ted, Stan and DAM, but just so you know, I don't believe for one second that you would fight for this country. You each supported a foreign adversary influencing our election because it benefited your political party and ideology and then condoned steps to conceal the influence and lie about it to the American people. Patriots don't do that, traitors do.

So trump voter check your false patriotism at the door please. You failed to defend our democracy before and would fail to defend it again, so I highly doubt your gonna be playing patriotic insurgent anytime soon.

But I digress, so lets get back to the issue of the original post that was locked because we can't stand a differing opinion on gun rights around here.

I VOTED for TRUMP & I will vote for him again. Russia played Absolutely NO part in my decision, PERIOD. If you think Russia played any role in Trumps win you are like a NOSE DEAD Coon Dog, Barking up the Wrong Tree. Your Liberal Democrats played a Far Greater hand in Trump's win than Russia ever even Dreamed of. Basically they handed it to Trump on a Silver Platter.

Sounds like you should be red flagged and put on the terrorist watch list.

Woke up King, get the day started. Why isn't this guru on your list of folks to have a shirley temple with some day? After all, he's on your side, eh?

It's always interesting when lefties feel like 'discussing' things we have in common. Maybe you could comment, dealing with patriotic warriors like this, what's your feeling of how much time you'd sit down with nca to talk climate change let alone any other topic?

I found the Russian payments to the Clintons to be much more solid evidence of slippery doings, Chris. You live in a society that will allow a standing Secretary of State to be part of a foundation that accepts money from hostile regimes.

Try as you might, you won�t find anything on Trump that tops that.

Best,
Ted

Libtards like nca225 fail to defend our Republic (not democracy) every time they support the Liberal Left Democrat anti-gunners who work to subvert our Constitution and infringe upon the 2nd Amendment.

Nancy boy places hope in the Courts. Yet he/she votes for Liberal Left Democrats who would stack the Courts with Judges who ignore the Original Intent of the Framers. King also likes the idea of the Constitution as a so-called "Living Document" which can be changed at the whims of activist judges who bypass Congress and legislate from the bench.

King's little brother Larry Clown is concerned that craigd may not know of the process for amending the constitution. But he never chimes in to confront Libtards like King and nca225 who work to bypass that whole process.

As Ted astutely points out, Nancy-boy nca225 is still unable to produce a shred of evidence that Trump engaged in collusion with Russia to throw the election. He/she cannot admit to Obama's interference in the Israeli election process. And Nancy-boy won't go near the huge exchange of cash for influence between Russia and the Clintons.

The Courts now? Those who no longer believe in their most-valued institutions do not remain for long as citizens of a great nation.

nca's russia mantra started when dem political donor comey kicked it off with his creativity. Some day, nca might figure out talking points are hollow, but he's useful.

Bro. King: I came of age in the 60s, but believe our nation is much more and likely irreversibly fractured, and our union may soon be severed. How can we �just get along� when the traditional/conservative/deplorable vs. the progressive/enlightened/liberal positions are:
1. The Constitution means what it says and says what it means. It does not mean what a progressive chooses it to mean today, to be changed tomorrow.
2. The purpose of government is the common good; to serve the people, transparently, and not the other way around; to provide public works and for the defense of our nation. To encourage free enterprise and creativity.
3. Our rights are given by our Creator, and with rights come responsibilities. Our rights are not awarded by the government, which does not exist to give me my desires, wants and perceived needs.
4. The brilliance of our Founding Fathers is in creating a Constitution in which the government is protected from a state church, and the churches are protected from the government. And the minority is protected from the tyranny of the majority. In NO way did the Founding Fathers assert that the church was to have no influence (for good) or voice in government. And they would be shocked that preaching the Bible is now �hate speech� as it is in Europe.
5. Our rights are insured/enforced by the Rule of Law; not the rule of power or wealth (see 3rd world governments below).
6. The 2nd Amendment allows the people to provide for their personal safety (rather than hoping the government will do so), and to prevent the government from denying our God given rights. And many places in our nation have 3rd world levels of violence, which is metastasizing.
7. Killing babies in the womb is as wrong as killing babies after birth.
8. Our nation is exceptional, but with a dark history that must be factually stated, with the appropriate historical context. That does not however justify reparations for every possible victim groups, paid by those who had no responsibility for the harm.
9. Indoctrinating grade schoolers to gender fluidity, and requiring that they celebrate a classmate�s �transition� is wrong.
10. A nation without borders is not a nation, nor secure. And we don't improve 3rd world nations by bringing the nations here. We DO have some (Biblical?) obligation to help the suffering people in 3rd world nations (primarily because of the corruption of the governments) however.

Gun rights are not one issue; the above all go together in the minds of most of us.

So maybe we split into a. the NE; b. the south, mid-west, mountain west and southwest, and c. the left coast? Maybe give New Mexico back to Mexico? And let the great migration begin. Really.

Nah, Doc Drew we're not going to divide up the country. We settled that issue 150 years ago. This country is and always has been peopled with folks who disagreed with one another. But we always settle our differences, usually getting it right in the end. I have full confidence we will get through the current problems...Geo

Ted, the only thing the you achieve when you parrot debunked conspiracies of wrongdoing from Uranium One to confront the facts found in the Mueller report is to show yourself as not having educated yourself on what the Trump campaign did during the election and what the R's in congress did to cover it up when they had the house. Give it up and read the damn thing Ted. I know its going to cause you to confront your idealized version of the bronzed god, but you owe it to yourself not to be intentionally misinformed.

And more of the same dribble from this guy, who can't recognize what institution actually secures his right and thinks the litmus test for being an American is how much $ you give to the NRA.

Not surprising from a guy who has come out in the past to support the terrorist child molester David Koresh. (Remember the tribute to George HW Bush princess? The one you begged Dave to delete for fear of everyone else seeing who your idols are?


Oh and lets not forget that in addition to being a patron of the Koresh cult and their child molesting persona of Jesus, you are also a closet Nazi and anti-Semite.

Nazi keith�s post # 4#9##5

Originally Posted By: keith



With people like you the shooting fraternity is doomed.

Drew. Rights are not given to us by the Creator. There is none. Rights are secured through force and will.

If it were true that rights are secured through a creator, where the hell was he during most of recorded history where the track record is oppression by those in power? God didn't give use any level of freedom. We took it by force, and to say god gave it to us ignores the sacrifices of those who actually fought to secure it.

Case in point:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/0...lYBN/story.html

Where is the creator and his endowed rights for these kids?

Craig, are you suggesting that American voters never vote FOR gun control measures? Never elect politicians who support additional gun control? You must not be living in the same country I am. Because very much depending on the state, sometimes gun measures go one way; sometimes they go the other way. So King is correct in stating that Americans do demonstrate--by popular vote--that they're not all of the same mind when it comes to guns.

And before you question my personal credentials on the issue: You probably know about Iowa's first in the nation caucuses. Always attended back when I lived there. What people outside of Iowa don't know is that a caucus is a whole lot more than a primary. It's not just casting your vote for a candidate. The caucus chairman requests suggestions for planks in the state party platform. At my 2008 caucus, I was the guy who suggested that Iowa change what was then a "may issue" concealed carry law (meaning Iowa's 99 county sheriffs got to decide who got approved for CCW and who didn't) to "shall issue". Which meant that the sheriff had to be able to prove why he rejected someone's application for CCW. My suggested party plank passed . . . unanimously. And, I'm proud to say, Iowa is now a "shall issue" state.

And I'm glad you really do understand that amending the Constitution is a difficult process.

NCA--It would appear you are in disagreement with Thomas Jefferson and what he stated in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

But Jefferson never said that we were guaranteed to KEEP those rights without help. The quotation in question continues:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." That's the kind of government we have. And if you look through history, men usually lost those rights when the government under which they lived did NOT derive its just powers from the consent of the governed. So although some may look on government as evil, the right kind of government--a democracy--is a very necessary evil.

Of course no government is perfect. I believe it was Churchill who said that democracy is the worst kind of government . . . except for all the others. Sometimes we don't get it right. But at least it's up to US and not some unelected monarch or dictator to straighten things out.

Just wait till we buy Greenland and establish the gulags there. Then we'll have a place to send these people...Geo

Your right, Larry, I do disagree with Jefferson on that point. Although at that time, I agree that it was a brilliant means to motivate people to their cause. These concepts were pulled strait out of the minds of men. Deemed to be good idea and principles and then fought for. That's all.

Careful what you wish for Geo!

That WILL include you nca. Just Hide & Watch, but at that point, I have great fear it will be everlastingly TOO LATE for you.

Personally I choose to Bow to God & Confess his name now, while in the flesh & to obey his commands.

You've confirmed my point. What common-ground fellowship can there be between those who believe that Bible believing Evangelicals are delusional ie. mentally ill (and teaching their children the Bible is child abuse) and as such should be prohibited from possessing firearms...and the rest of us? Red flag indeed?

When confiscation is attempted George, it will be the end of this union.

and to enslave the darkies too right miller?

You are assuming too much from me Drew. I don't think you should be punished for your beliefs. But I don't think you should be allowed to enforce them on me either, but to your credit, you don't.

Well, it looks like the transgender nca225 is still unable to produce a shred of evidence that Trump engaged in collusion with Russia to throw the election. And he/she is still unable to prove any wrongdoing by Wayne LaPierre or our NRA.

I asked nca225 several times to produce evidence that I ever once defended David Koresh or any child molester, but predictably he/she has nothing. I have never asked Dave Weber to either lock or delete any thread. I hate to see any thread ever get deleted, because making words disappear allows dishonest people like nca225, King, SKB, etc. to then deny what they posted. Like it or not, much of the perpetual bickering here could have been avoided if words had not been deleted.

It is equally amusing to see nca225 once again accusing me of being an anti-semitic Nazi collaborator. I wonder where nca225 was a couple weeks ago when his/her friend Dr. Wanker the Insane went off the rails with his anti-Jew rant?

And it is hilarious to see King wringing his dishonest old hands and suggesting that I am against the Courts. It should have been abundantly clear that I am only against activist Liberal Left judges who attempt to bypass Congress by legislating from the bench and ignoring the Original Intent of the Framers.

It is people like King and nca225 that vote for politicians and judges who cannot find individual gun rights in the 2nd Amendment, Yet these same liberals can miraculously see a Constitutional right to kill babies up to and even after birth. With miraculous visions like that, creating something from nothing, how can nca225 and King think there is no God?

Well it looks like princess is still unable to be honest no matter what. Notice how he ALWAYS LIES and spins what I write about Russia surreptitiously aiding the Trump campaign and Trump accepting the help as opposed to the Trump campaign actively colluding. Princess knows the difference and he has been lying every time he makes his false point.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/all-of-the-mueller-reports-major-findings-in-less-than-30-minutes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...l?noredirect=on
and last but not least. Read it, or get the book tape since you clearly cant read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/read-the-mueller-report/

Also notice how he says there is no shred of evidence of wrongdoing at the NRA? Another lie!

Seems to be alot of smoke here!
https://www.thetrace.org/2019/02/nra-investigations-russia-campaign-finance/

Oh and how convenient is this�

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fec...g-russians-nra/

Looks like princess is DISHONESTLY taking advantage of the stonewalling of investigations by his own party that incidentally received the same benefit from Russia�s activities with the NRA. HMMM. I wonder why they want that one to go away?

Oh and the most dishonest one yet is that he asks me to prove a thread he got deleted. What a piece of sh!t this gal is. Well, that threads gone, but here a link I posted to it while it was still in existence before you begged Dave to delete it. Locking it wasn�t good enough when I caught you supporting the child molester and his cult.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post530943

Your lies betray your attempts to come across as honest. Your own words reveal you to be a nazi and a supporter of a child molesting Jesus freak. But you always have had your stupidity on neon strobe mode for all of us to see. Please keep on posting. I enjoy this.

What makes you feel your beliefs are so important that you can force them on others. In god we trust, otherwise it�ll take longer to get to socialism, eh. Hmmm, crazio-cort. sez we need mucho dinero to swing the green deal.

Just kidding ya' nca. Don't overplay your hand.

I don't guess any of us know for sure about the Lord until the time comes. It is either a matter of faith on a personal level or its not.
I'm not in the preaching business so I'm going to leave that up to you. The nice thing is you have your entire life to accept HIS grace or not.

Choose wisely...Geo

Ted--As long as you're critical of the Clinton Foundation and money from Russians, what do you think of Trump picking Paul Manafort as his campaign manager? You do know that Manafort made millions, don't you . . . working for Putin's puppet in Ukraine? I'd say neither side's hands are clean where Russia is concerned. They've both demonstrated that money speaks louder than principles. But then they are politicians.

I guess I should cut the president some slack. He doesn't know the KGB quite like I do. But I'll be darned if I can see that the old KGB leopard Putin has changed his spots. His domestic enemies ending up either in prison or dead. His foreign enemies lucky to escape assassination. Even if Russia is no longer Commie, Putin's tactics look to me like more of the same old, same old.

L. Brown, It's good to hear someone respond with some real experience and information. Our "President" operates in complete absence of either. He's coming unhinged. Only the willfully blind, the totally cynical, the opportunists, and the hopelessly stupid support him. On this site we have mostly the latter.

Hopelessly stupid, that would be the basket of deplorables, right?...Geo

Just trying to keep up with this politics stuff.

I'd like the transgender nca225 to ask Dave Weber if I have ever asked him to delete a single thread. I have always been 100% against deleting any thread, and always will be against it.

I will read the links he/she provided for the first time today. I expect I'll find a lot of false Democrat smoke and no fire. After all, Mueller and his anti-Trump colleagues spent what... over 20 million dollars and two years and didn't indict him for anything. It should've been a slam-dunk for an ex-FBI Director to find all the dirt that nca225 and rocky mtn bill sees. Even nca225's beloved anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats in Congress haven't produced anything except baseless accusations. nca225 must be very disappointed that they can't muster the evidence they need to impeach Trump. If Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have the goods to nail him, why would they give him a pass? Poor nca225 is reduced to clinging to false hope and baseless crap from idiots as agenda driven as he/she is. I'm sure his/her links will be as convincing as the Libtard professor on CNN who claimed Trump would kill more people than the millions killed by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

nca225 did bring up the totally unfounded allegations concerning Alexander Torshin and Maria Butina in that deleted Bush memorial thread. They legally bought NRA Life Memberships. Absolutely nothing illegal about that, or trying to promote legal gun ownership and shooting in Russia. However, not one cent of that money was ever shown to be funneled into Trump's election, despite numerous desperate breathless attempts by anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats to prove otherwise. I wonder how many failed investigations it takes to satisfy a moron?

nca225 still cannot find the courage to acknowledge that the anti-gunner Barack Obama did use taxpayer money to interfere in the Israeli election of Netanyahu. And we are still waiting for the evidence that I ever defended David Koresh. Poor little nca225 is good with posting quotes of everything except the things I ask him/her to show us. Then all we get is poor little nca225 crying that I got Dave to delete it all. Over and over and over....

rocky mtn bill, why don't you tell us once again about how bad it's gonna be for Trump once the Mueller investigations are complete?

Oh crap, that ship has sailed, and left you and all the other drooling anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats here empty handed. Are you still wearing your "It's Mueller Time" tee shirt???

Or are you making better use of it by using it to wash your car?

Pretty obvious just who is really unhinged.

Do you all suppose that Larry Clown is referring to Barack Obama? After all, it was Obama who promised outgoing Russian President Medvedev that he could be more flexible with Putin after the election. We didn't need a failed 20 million dollar investigation to catch that Russian collusion. It was caught on an open microphone, and promptly ignored by people like Larry, nca225, and Larry's older brother King.

Putin may still have his KGB leopard spots. But Larry Clown still has his anti-Trump leopard spots.

Keith, you seem to agree with Trump that the report means total vindication. You probably would ask as son Donald did, "Is that good?" It's a sad day when the president's supporters celebrate that he's not being automatically indicted. All you bird hunters can relax; Trump doing all he can to preserve the habitat that makes hunting ( and life itself) possible. We have our own stable genius here to tell how it is. He knows because he heard it on Fox News.

20 million dollars Billy, and a 2 year investigation by an ex-FBI Director and a team of anti-Trump investigators.... And you got nothing Billy. Nothing but more of your DNC blather. I'm not celebrating that Trump is not indicted. Unlike you, I never expected that.

Now Trump is destroying bird hunting, in addition to killing more people than the millions killed by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Are you still on that climate change crap too Billy? Have you stopped driving and using fossil fuel energy Billy? The climate has always been changing... for millions of years. Glaciers melted long before man ever drilled an oil well, and long before humans walked this Earth. Then they came back, and melted again. But in your puny mind, only Donald Trump has the power to put us over the edge and totally destroy the entire planet.

So tell us just who is unhinged and separated from reality Billy.

Gotta love how princess thinks its my responsibility to educate him on this stuff too. Something he refuses to do for himself. Smacks of being a taker...

BTW princess are you an American citizen or an Israeli citizen? As an American, I don't give a sh!t what we did to other nations in our self interest. We were the the global power and that's just how it is.

As an American I gravely care about how our president is a Russian puppet sucking off and assisting the national interest of the Russian regime every chance he gets for their support of him in the election and in his business dealings and how you and all other Trump voters are fine with that because you got your party in power.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/trump-putin/565238/

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/trump-putin-russia-g7-summit.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/trump-putin-election.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790...ukraine-support

Seems to me that you don't know the difference between religion/fairy tales and policy based on data and science.

I'm not surprised by that at all.

Oh? Was that the only cash that poured forth from Vladimir to the Clinton slush fund when Hilly was SoS, Chris? What was the slickster�s speaking fee in the former Soviet Union, Chris? Why would anyone on the Clinton team let a little thing like the appearance of impropriety get in the way of all that cold, hard, cash Chris?

So, did those rascally republicans in Congress take hammers and bleach bit to devices that were subpoenaed?

Oh, wait. Wrong criminal.

Hey, Larry, exactly how long was Manafort�s career with the Trump administration? Not a good hire, obviously. He was dealt with.

For all his faults, DJT has been a far better President for the average Joe than the last dozen democriminals put together. Need a job?

Donald Trump did that.

Best,
Ted

Teddy want a cracker?

Chrissy want a sausage?

Best,
Ted

Gettin' weird here. Weird even for here.

Yeah, I don't know nor do I want to know where Ted was going with that one. Seems to want to fulfill a gross fantasy.

Sausage goes wonderfully with crackers. Perverts assume things.

Just enough rope....


Best,
Ted

If only you hadn�t put it so playfully, I might believe that is what you meant.

This is rich. You are in a place where about two really misguided souls care about what you believe. The rest, don�t.

I�m in with the rest. You can claim whatever you like, but, the trip to the sewer was guided by your own voice, through your own hand, so to speak.


Best,
Ted

past time to lock this one too...

What ed said +1

Someone�ll start �Red Flag Laws thread Locked?� Locked?


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Gone and did the two step then cowboy boogie...
https://youtu.be/7NteiAPBz2U

Election meddling is election meddling, and Obama absolutely engaged in that which nca225 finds so egregious. Netanyahu and Israel are our strongest allies in the middle east, and Obama used our tax dollars to try to defeat him. Obama... The guy who will go down in history as the father of ISIS, and who drew a pink fairy line in the sand that Bashir Assad and the Russians in Syria laughed at.

And let's not forget how rough Obama was on Putin when he rolled over Crimea and the Ukraine. Don't get me started on Obama handing nearly $150 billion in cash and frozen assets to Iran, and having them thank him by continuing to spin centrifuges and shouting "Death to America."

Do the labor unions realize that Obama did a much better job bailing out Iran than he did to bail General Motors and their employees?

But we know for a fact that Russia has been meddling with our elections for years. And we know Obama not only did nothing to stop it... he got caught on an open microphone promising Medvedev that he would be "more flexible with Putin after the election".

There's some real Russian collusion... But the poor little idiot is still running away from the facts, and railing on over partisan speculation. nca225 is looking a lot like Grouse Guy with all those links that he/she couldn't possibly comprehend. And all that pent up anger is simply because another Liberal Left Democrat anti-gun Socialist named Hillary Clinton didn't win the election.

Maybe those evil Russian hackers wouldn't have gotten into her illegal private e-mail server if she had followed the law and used a secure government e-mail account. But the smartest woman who ever lived was too stupid to realize that a U.S. Secretary of State is a target for spies and bad actors. Yep, that sure sounds like someone who would be better for America than Trump. And nca225 certainly won't want to tell you what Hillary wanted to do to both the NRA and our 2nd Amendment Rights. It was on her campaign website, but idiots like nca225 and rocky mtn bill will deny that she was any threat to our gun rights.

Yes folks, this is what King has in mind when he preaches the importance of a sick fraternity where anti-gunners get to pretend to be pro-gun...while they work relentlessly to stab you in the back.

Time to wake up people. These Libtards who support anti-gunners are not your friends. They never were.

Interesting, I mentioned the cost of socialism and the greenie deal, and you have a pair of twelve shot to respond 'policy based on data and science'.

What does the science say happens when firearm projectiles strike eighteen hundred plus and growing chicagoans this year. Let me guess, the data concludes racism. I supposed the science shows that a human being subjected to a late term abortion is medicine for the unhealthy female. What does the data show about God in our lives, you ain't gonna find it at npr or the nyts.

Don't look now, we're gonna loose all the great advice nca has been sharing about achieving incremental gun bans.

Well, since you're campaigning for biden, maybe you can explain what he meant when he was bragging that he got a ukraine prosecutor fired, because he was investigating the company that gave biden's druggie clueless son a fifty k a month consulting job. Do you think biden knew his sec-o-state hill was concealing a good chunk of her foundation off shore. Do you think biden's brain is functional?

Thats a very convenient outlook on an attack on our democracy by a foreign adversary that benefited your party and ideology. Who do you think your fooling idiot?



You are suggesting that Putin was influencing our elections prior to 2016 to support the Democrats and Obama due to that statement. This is factually incorrect and a blatant lie princess to mislead people. Also shows you still haven't built up the courage to read the Mueller report which indicated that the Russians began their operations to influence our elections in 2014. You should keep spewing this sh!t to your misinformed buddies like craig and Ted. They'd probably believe this.

Never does take you long to tap dance into off topic BS. Predictable.

Even the Washington Post came to the conclusion that none other than James Comey reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton had more to do with her losing than anything the Russians did. Anything.
Where is your evidence? Why did four different investigations come to the conclusion that Trump had nothing to do with it?




Best,
Ted

Romans 1:16-24

JDH;
I would extend that on through the end of the chapter @ verse 32 & also include 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Note that virtually all our laws are based on things prohibited by the Word of God. "IF" there is no God there is absolutely no reason I should obey any law, in fact, there would have never been laws established if it were strictly Survival of the fittest.

Also, note one can read the Bible through from Genesis to The Revelation & you will not find a prohibition against Slavery. You will find rules as to their treatment but not against having one.

The apostle Paul writing by Inspiration of the Holy Spirit had this to say.

"1Co 7:20� Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.�
1Co 7:21� Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.�
1Co 7:22� For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.�
1Co 7:23� Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.�
1Co 7:24� Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."

Verse 23 is not speaking of being a physical servant of a man, as this would contradict the rest of the passage. It is rather saying not to be a "Spiritual" servant of man.

Ted, if you look at the president's record, he's made more bad hires than good ones for key positions in his administration. General Flynn . . . also took a big speaking fee from the Russians. Gone before the Trump Administration scarcely got started. How many National Security Advisers has he had? I believe Bolton is #3--and word is, he's out of favor. How many chiefs of staff? I believe we're also on #3 in that job. A bunch of other cabinet members hired and then fired. General Mattis and Tillerson, Defense and State--arguably the two most important cabinet jobs--also gone. Dan Coates as DNI, who had solid support from the Republicans in Congress (and long service on the intel committee so he had a pretty good understanding of the job)--gone and not yet replaced.

Meanwhile . . . Ted, have you heard what the head of your MN Corn Growers has to say about the president? And we're talking $16 to $28 billion in subsidies (that'd be taxpayer $) to farmers to make up for lost revenue as a result of the trade war with China. There was a time when I was proud to hear Republicans complain when the deficit grew. Now over $1 trillion.

Meanwhile, while it's good to keep people out of the country we don't want . . . how about the blocked pipeline for Iraqis and Afghans who have already met the requirements for the special visa programs--based on having working with our military (and their lives, and those of their families, being endangered as a result). About as vetted as they could be. But now they're saying more investigation is needed before they can actually come to this country--after having risked their lives to keep our men and women in uniform safe. If he wants to do something for the military and for vets, then he needs to make sure that we keep our promises to our foreign allies. Otherwise we might not have any when we need them.

Concerning the conclusions of the various investigations: NONE of those investigations have concluded anything other than what the Intel Community concluded . . . which was that Russia interfered, and they did so in an attempt to help Trump/hurt Hillary. NONE of Trump's appointees to run the 3 letter agencies--Pompeo (and now Haspel) at CIA, Wray at the FBI, Coates as DNI--has backed away from those conclusions. Yes, it is impossible to tell exactly how much impact Russian interference had on the election (and there's no evidence that the Russians tampered with votes) . . . but they sure gave it the old college (or maybe I should say the old KGB) try!

Miller, "if" there was no god there are still lots of reasons for society to have laws and for you to obey certain laws. Mankind succeeds best with some semblance of order. It is in one's (and one's family) own best interests to create a society that isn't ruled by chaos and anarchy.

And I sure hope you aren't using the suggestion that there is no prohibition against slavery in the Bible as an excuse to excuse slavery. Because if you are, a God that excuses slavery isn't one I want to spend any time with. Nor should any thinking and compassionate man.

"and to enslave the darkies too right miller?"

I'm stunned you are still at it Miller.
"Also, note one can read the Bible through from Genesis to The Revelation & you will not find a prohibition against Slavery. You will find rules as to their treatment but not against having one."

In your desperate attempt to defend the indefensible, what have you done to your evangelistic credibility? Do you think any non-believer is going to pay attention to your words when you attempt to justify slavery? Had the South won the war, would you still have slaves; happy, well-fed, and with free medical care? What would have it taken for you to voluntarily free them?

William Barclay on James 1:9 "Let the lowly brother be proud of his exaltation..."
Christianity brings to the man a new sense of his own value.
1. He learns that he matters in the Church (where) social distinctions of the world are obliterated.
2. He learns that he matters in the world (as) every man has a (God given) task to do (Ephesians 2:10).
3. He learns that he matters to God as a man for whom Christ died.

Can your slave be your brother in Christ Miller? Did Jesus die for them so they would remain in bondage?

Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18 (KJV)
"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."

Read a credible exposition of 1 Corinthians 7:17-24
Classic - Alexander Maclaren
https://www.preceptaustin.org/1_corinthians_maclaren_2#saf63
Contemporary - John Piper
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/your-job-as-ministry

Richard Rumbold, �Speech on the Scaffold�, 1685
I am sure there was no man born marked of God above another, for none comes into the world with a saddle on his back, neither any booted and spurred to ride him.

Thomas Jefferson to Roger Weightman, Monticello June 24. 1826
The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them...

John Newton in The Words of the Rev. John Newton, 1839
If the trade is at present carried on to the same extent and nearly in the same manner, while we are delaying from year to year to put a stop to our part in it, the blood of many thousands of our helpless, much injured fellow creatures is crying against us. The pitiable state of the survivors who are torn from their relatives, connections, and their native land must be taken into account. I fear the African trade is a national sin, for the enormities which accompany it are now generally known; and though, perhaps, the greater part of the nation would be pleased if it were suppressed, yet, as it does not immediately affect their own interest, they are passive.
Can we wonder that the calamities of the present war begin to be felt at home, when we ourselves wilfully and deliberately inflict much greater calamities upon the native Africans, who never offended us? "Woe unto thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled" (Isaiah 33:1)

William Wilberforce and Slavery
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/wilberforce

Timely, on this terrible anniversary
https://www.christianpost.com/voice/slavery-the-bible-and-christianity.html

Hey Miller, do you keith & jOe go to the same church?

Hey Ted, what was that you were saying about enough rope?

Q: Just what kind of weird-o are you?
A: Just your average, ordinary, everyday weird-o. Nothing special.


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Salman Rushdie

So, you ask why haven't top national intel and security officials backed away from something that's impossible to tell? Plus no evidence of vote tampering, isn't this just silliness?

Please, if you would, explain why this comment of yours has any importance in the context of this discussion and the feelings of about a third of the nation. Are you excusing the political weaponization of sound bite fragments by dem 'leaders' for the purpose of blocking and demonizing the regulatory and legislative process of the US?

Just for clarity, what are you claiming the average length of service of executive branch staffers and cabinet members is? When dubya was headed out the door, he gave barak a gift wrapped tarp windfall. When barry was done, he handed off comey, brenen and claper. Your current President needed friends around him, and he's clearly made transitional steps to those who can help him govern.

I fail to see where Miller has been advocating any return to slavery. Miller has shown us a photo of himself in a church alongside a black relative. The suggestion that he is a segregationist or that he thinks blacks are inferior and deserve to be treated as livestock, or as less than human, is simply more of the disingenuous and dishonest behavior we frequently see around here.

Miller has done nothing wrong. He has simply quoted what he has seen and read in the Bible, and he has not changed or subverted those words. Miller is a God fearing man who does not question the word of God, or think that he knows better.

It is interesting to see the Preacher attempting to prove Miller is some sort of beast by using a quote from Thomas Jefferson... a man who owned slaves even after becoming an author and signatory to the Declaration of Independence.

The fact that Thomas Jefferson held on to arcane beliefs does not diminish the greatness of our Nation, and the past and present practice of slavery among men does not diminish the word of God in the Bible. Atheists and Agnostics like nca225, King, or Mustela frenata are always looking for any reason to justify their denial of God. Yet I've heard some of them crying for God to help them as they were dying.

Once, the world was mostly populated with slaves, serfs, and subjects. We still have remnants of those times today with dictatorships and all powerful rulers who enslave virtually their entire populations in some manner. We have evolved and changed... and not necessarily for the better.

One thing that hasn't changed is the idea that men should have inalienable rights and freedoms. It took some time for that to take hold here in order to form a more perfect union. But it is still not 100% perfect. Far from it. The fact that Liberal left Democrats wish to subvert and take away our freedoms (such as our 2nd Amendment) proves that it is Democrats... not Miller... who need to be feared and rejected.

Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia", Query 18
(In his denunciation of slavery as an extreme depravity, despite being a slave owner.)
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/JEFFERSON/ch18.html
Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Poor little nca225... still on his/her never ending mission to show how stupid and misinformed he/she is.

Actually idiot, Election Meddling by various nations has been going on for decades. The United States is one of the most active in the practice, as demonstrated by your anti-gun idol Barack Hussein Obama. The former Soviet Union was also very involved in election meddling, and it is no surprise that the Russians under former KGB operative Putin would continue the practice.

Numerous Examples of Election Meddling-- Long Before 2014--Proving nca225 is an idiot

And Barack Hussein Obama knew about this. Larry Clown's former co-workers in the CIA had informed Obama about it. Instead of trying to stop it, or properly briefing the Trump Campaign about it, the Democrats under Obama made the decision to try to frame Trump and his associates, and connect them to it.

They failed. Mueller found no collusion. No Russian influenced me or anyone else to swing the election. And Russian Troll Farms seeded Social Media with crap to benefit both Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Can you or any crying lying Democrat still suffering from sour grapes say that Russian campaign did any more to hurt Hillary than her being stupid enough to ignore her husband's advice to not attack the NRA and the 2nd Amendment during her campaign? Trump won because he ran a better campaign. He promised us things we really wanted, and he has done well delivering on those promises. He went where he could get the necessary votes, and there were no Russian Cheerleaders at his rallies or writing his speeches. Those of us who voted for Trump did so because we all have seen that anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats are slowly destroying our country.

Only a very stupid gun owner would ever support anti-gunners like Obama or Hillary. For proof, just look at you and rocky mtn bill.

Furthermore, I never even suggested that Putin was trying to influence our election prior to 2016 in order to help Obama. I suppose that is possible, since it was apparent that Obama was weak, inept, inexperienced, and held Socialist views. But I never said that, and challenge you once again to show us where I ever said that.

Of course, every time I ask you to prove one of your false and ridiculous assertions and accusations... you run away like a coward or quickly change the subject.

One other thing occurs to me... neither King nor the Preacher has ever once made an issue of you posting under an anonymous screen name nca225. Neither has SKB or Glady Kravitz or Professor BrentJD. Do you find that strange? Don't you think it's time to come the rest of the way out of your closet?

So???

Jefferson continued to own slaves until his death. Miller has never owned a slave nor has he advocated a return to the practice of slavery. Miller has quoted the Bible, and so far as I know, that is not a sin.

Don't you think it's time to lay off a good man like Miller, especially when there are so many lying disingenuous God-hating heathens here? And we also have quite a number of King's sick little fraternity here... guys who pretend to support gun rights while stabbing us in the back by supporting those who work to take away our gun rights.

I don't suppose we will see King attacking you for trying to divide "our Fraternity" by attacking Miller. Do you find that problematic or disingenuous?

All this tit-for-tat, my science and your science, insults, dredging the past, isn't how to make harmonious and productive change---in the public interest. It's self-defeating. Vindication, I know better, I have the only answer, kills progress.

Introducing innovation, efficiencies through cooperation, the social dynamics of giving people a break, telling them the facts and trends, getting them to work together, is my day job. Getting crap out of the way builds relationships.

What Jefferson did and Miller believes shouldn't have more than a gnat's eyelash of influence on the enormous issues threatening to pull the country apart. God help us all if America's state of mind is what is expressed here.

Anyone else expecting a segue to the Civil War and Lincoln is the devil?


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Already 3 pages longer than the locked thread. Strange days indeed.
https://youtu.be/qj9N0VO6UjE

4 pages.





Saw that King posted. Was hoping for his trademark hockey hi-jack.


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Boy, was I disappointed.

Americans get it right over time, lonesome. All this insurrection talk, Churchillian fight them on the beaches, we'll never surrender stuff comes up on 50-60 year cycles. Remember the Weathermen? Communists parachuting from the skies?

I interviewed a Baptist minister in a dusty Missouri town, where the Youngers used to drink, who was selling bazookas and other heavy stuff from his garage to hold them off. I was on my way to Utah and fire-breathing Billy James Hargis when I was pulled to cover a revolt in South America. This is another spell; it will pass.

(The black guys got their democratic reforms through a vote, the American patriots arming themselves against their government fizzled out. Different cultures. The blacks were as politically engaged as any group I've ever seen. I've listened to stevedores arguing for hours about a budget.)

Always trying to change the subject, eh King? Your last sentence is interesting. I don't think I've ever once seen you refer to God's name with a capital "G". Maybe if you're lucky, you'll die suddenly, and you won't ever be reduced to asking Him for mercy.

By the way, this is a microcosm of America's state of mind. I thought you were better informed than that... especially with all of those imaginary dignitaries and captains of industry who trek to rural Nova Scotia in the middle of the week to interrupt your day job and seek counsel from you. The last few elections have been practically photo-finish horse races, and the divide between Conservatives and anti-gun Liberals has been widening. Everyone knows how the racial divide reached a violent fever pitch under Obama, but has lessened since Trump was elected and helped minorities to find jobs and help themselves.

Speaking of people helping themselves, you never did answer my repeated question... You criticized me several times, and accused me of cheating Dave and advertising for the NRA and the Republican Party because of my old tag lines... a link to NRA Political Victory fund, and a small picture of Reagan toasting "Us Deplorables"

Yet you never said anything about your liberal pal SKB advertising his gunsmithing business in his tagline, or offering gunsmithing or gun importation services in his posts here. Do you also feel he has been cheating Dave, and will you ask him to stop? Or are you a petty hypocrite who is only interested in silencing support for the 2nd Amendment and the NRA?

Your refusal to reply to this query is speaking volumes King.

So, there's only one path, and it's your definition of progress? I notice equivocating is a favorite tactic that you like to use. What happens if you try to get a group of people together, and one of them is labeled a misogynist and another is labeled a racist. Are they still equal to the people that you like, in your opinion?

Like a kidney stone, eh? Student loan debt here is somewhere around 1.5 big T. A drop in the bucket for progress, or are you folks going to collapse a key indoctrination tool?

And "Only the willfully blind, the totally cynical, the opportunists, and the hopelessly stupid support him" isn't usually a good way to inspire folks at the average Baptist potluck to work together for progress

Just for the record let me state a few Facts.
1: I am not advocating a return to Slavery.
2: I have no personal desire to own a Slave.
3: Yes some of my Ancestors did.
4: I have no right to judge them on what was legal at that point & not stated to be a Sin in the Word of God.
5: N B Forrest told a group of Black people they could be anything they wanted to be & were willing to "Work" for
6: Abraham Lincoln stated the Black race was an "Inferior" race to Whites & could never live on as equals to Whites in society.
7: The Emancipation Proclamation was never intended to benefit the black Race, it was purely political & military.
8: politically it was a success in that it helped tremendously to get Lincoln elected to a 2nd term. Militarily it was a total FLOP.
9: Lincoln did not "FREE" a single slave he had authority to free.
10: While Lincoln was president work was going on building the Dome of the Capitol building in DC by the use of "SLAVE LABOR"

Finally, I have asked Drew to quote me one Scripture from Gods word which listed owning a slave as a Sin. He has consistently cited me all kinds of references to words of "MEN". The reason he has not of course is it does not exist, as any student of the Bible knows. I have no interest in the words of Men, only that of God when it comes to things of a spiritual nature.

NCA;
I have no idea where either Keith or Joe go to church, or even if they do. I worship in the Church that Jesus, the Christ built as recorded in the New Testament. Not only do I attend there I currently serve as an Elder. One of the qualifications of an Elder is that they have a Good Report, both within & without. I have well met this qualification by all those with whom I have had personal contact.

If it were not such a serious thing it would really be a Big Joke for someone living in open Denial of the very Existence of God to call others Sinners. IF there is no God, there is no Sin.

What would Miller's point have been in making that statement about what the Bible does or doesn't contain regarding slavery, if not some tacit approval because the Bible doesn't prohibit it? Anyway, Miller can speak for himself. I'm sure he doesn't require you to defend or explain his beliefs.

My point, if I had one, is that one probably SHOULD be questioning the word of God if one's god is telling you it's okay to have slaves. Perhaps when God was speaking, someone wrote it down wrong. Without confirming or denying the existence of God, it should be clear to anyone that the Bible and other holy books are giant games of password, played down through the centuries. The Literal Word of God? How good was the the guy who translated the Bible from Aramaic to Greek and Latin?

And what do you know about what I'm looking for to deny or confirm the existence of God. Pure speculation on your part. As always wild conjecture based on the most minimal of facts. Get back in your basement Keith. Take the meds. Get the OCD under control. Or call up your daughter and show her what you write here. Let her be so proud of her dad for the way he can keyboard warrior.

What a joke.



Should we go back to those times Keith? Is that what you'd like? Here another one happily hanging himself, seeing as he's got enough rope.

As I've said before, you give the rest of us supporters of the 2cd and gun rights anywhere a bad name.

Good point here. Credit where credit's due. As I recall, this quote came from rocky mtn bill... another one of the disingenuous Liberal Democrats who also preaches the importance of sticking together in Last Dollars, "Big Tent" or King's sick "Fraternity" which demands including back-stabbers. Yet we will never see King lecturing Billy or the anonymous nca225 about being mean, insulting, confrontational, or divisive.

A number of pages back, Dean singled me out as being divisive for not embracing those who continue to stab us in the back by supporting anti-gunners. Dean felt that we should "keep our enemies close" so we know what they are up to. I'm pretty sure I figured that out a long time ago, and I don't see any need to embrace those who are helping anti-gunners and Liberal Left Socialist destroy our country and infringe upon our rights.

Say some shyte like that at Bingo and you�ll likely get your arse kicked.
Them Babushkas don�t play.



Unnecessary descriptive.


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Group hug...I'm feeling moved. This one is for you Billie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bRJLkNqNXI

Well Mustela Frenata, it looks like Miller did indeed answer for himself. And his explanation specifically states that his citations of Scripture absolutely DO NOT consist of "tacit approval" of slavery. But I already knew that because Miller has never once indicated any inclination otherwise.



I guess we should ask you the same question concerning your pure speculations about Miller. And totally incorrect speculations as well. What a fraud and petty hypocrite you are Mustela.



As for the QUOTE by me which you are utilizing to do another idiotic victory dance... where did I even remotely indicate that I'd like to go back to the times of slavery, serfdom, servitude, etc.??? PROOF PLEASE... show us your proof. Don't run away and hide again. I did accurately point out the fact that we still have people living in bondage under dictatorships today. So assh0le, how is that statement reeling out rope and hanging myself???

You are so invested in making me look bad that you have to resort to twisting my words... and twisting them badly. This is precisely why I sent you the PM ending the "friendship" I thought we once had. This is why I told you to go f**k yourself. I saw the signs that you should not be trusted a couple years ago. My bad for not heeding those signs much earlier.

So why don't you show your son how dishonest you are with your pathetic and sick need to twist things? Why don't you show him how obsessed you are with jOe, who astutely recognized you as a two-faced weasel long before I did?

This is a lot of dumb BS to cover up your allegiances princess. And I did post where you suggested that Putin was influencing our elections prior to 2016 to the benefit of Obama and the Dems, which in your useless retarded mind seems to be the only place that act occurred. That was in my last post in reponce to you. It was even your own words. I'm not surprised you can't read nor understand, or maybe you are again just lying.

I'm also not surprised that the bar you set for someone being a good person is if they think slavery is A-OK. That is consistent with your white supremacist ways. I bet Gene the Nazi was a great guy in your opinion too.

Oh, and yeah, I've painstakingly in the past, being sure to use simple words so you understand them, explain why I don't get called out for attacking you or Joe or whoever. It is because I attack thug/bully sh!tbags like you who are deserving of verbal abuse and a dress down. I have even in the past admitted where I was wrong to attack a person and have sincerely apologized to them as well. Rest assured that will never be you. You see princess, people like to see bad people get what is coming to them. Try to understand that you and jOe are indeed deplorable with no redeeming value. And as you seem to often hint that King should expire, just so you know when you expire, you can bet there will be people who will celebrate it. Maybe even at your services. I look forward to seeing my old friend again. No better aphrodisiac then grief. But I might be SOL if every one is celebrating.

Miller: are you LDS? If not, what is the name of the church in which you serve as an Elder?

What did Jesus mean when He started His ministry by reading Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18 (KJV)
"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."

So where is that statement about Putin and the 2016 election nca225?

Why is it that you are so good at QUOTING me, except when I ask you to prove one of your very frequent lies?

I believe I responded to most, if not all of your earlier stupidity. No election meddling before 2014???? HAHAHAHA, it's been going on for decades.

Now it looks as if you are going to join the two-faced weasel Mustela Frenata, in twisting Miller's words to suggest that he or I approve of slavery.

You don't have to explain to me why certain people don't call you out for your filth or your hiding behind your anonymous screen name. I know all about the famous DoubleGunShop Double Standard. I just like to point it out and rub noses in it for training purposes. You know... something like prying a frightened dog's moth open and hawkering a couple big green loogies down his throat. It worked for your pal King, didn't it?

True, True.

Forget that!


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LINE BRAWL!
https://youtu.be/SocYz3N13d0

Your lie, quoted a gain. Go ahead and deny your own lie again, you know, for sh!ts and giggles.

... and that is why there is no remorse, guilt, or ramifications for the repeated lies and hypocrisy that comes out of Liberals.

Lies and dishonesty are simply a tool you all use to move toward your often hidden agendas. And that is also why supporters of anti-gunners know the value of infiltrating certain groups, such as gun owners, to more easily stab them in the back by supporting anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats.

Which get us right back full-circle to the subject of the Red Flag Laws. Red Flag Laws... like most anti-gun measures, almost always come directly from anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats.

Know your enemy.

Umm, I'm not seeing any lie here idiot. There is nothing to deny. Everything I said there is 100% true. You seem to live in some little bubble where Russia never did anything to interfere in our elections or politics prior to 2014. That is an absurd notion, and it is coming from a complete agenda driven Libtard idiot who is crushed because the anti-gunner Hillary lost.

So tell us why Obama told outgoing Russian President that he could be "more flexible with Putin after the (2012) election"??? He got caught on an open microphone saying it. If Mueller had a tape of Trump saying something like that, you Libtards would be going even more nuts that you already are. Explain please???

And tell us why Obama did nothing to stop Putin or the Russians from interfering in the 2016 election??? Why aren't you Libtards blaming Obama for not doing anything to stop the Russians when he knew about it prior to the election?

And then tell us why Obama did not follow the proper procedure and notify the Trump campaign that Russian operatives might be attempting to interfere in our elections???

How about the Steele Dossier??? Why aren't you concerned about that phony and foreign attempt to influence our election, and the use of it to get a FISA warrant to spy on a U.S. citizen and Presidential Campaign???

And when are you going to show us the collusion that Mueller was unable to find after two years and a $20 million investigation??? Why are you and rocky mtn bill sitting on that evidence instead of giving it to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer so they can commence impeachment hearings???

Then can you finally show proof that I, or any other Trump voter, voted for Trump because of Russian influence???

How many time are you going to run like a coward, away from these simple questions??? This is like your friend King repeatedly running away from my question about his liberal pal SKB's use of this site for free advertising of his gunsmithing and gun importation business. How would you guys/girls feel if Ted, and jOe, and Miller and I just ran away from your questions and comments?

Drew;
In Matthew Jesus made the statement "I Will Build "MY" Church. We also read that he purchased it with His Blood, so he paid for it when he died on the Cross. No, I am not lds, I will not even capitalize them.

In the Bible, I find the church called
1; The Chuch of God
2; The Church of the Lamb
3; The Church of the First Born
4; The Church of Christ
5 The Church
Then finally individual congregations are often called by their location, as The Church at Ephesus for instance.

The Church of which I am an Elder wears name #4, not any man-made name, nor do we have any man written creed, only the Bible as our guide in Religious matters. Every congregation is overseen by their Elders & we have no "Headquarters".

"No creed but Christ, no book but the Bible."
Got it.

Miller, I did notice that the New Testament quote from Jesus that the Preacher provided for you still didn't provide any specific prohibition of slavery. Jesus was a direct descendant of the Jewish slaves.... the same Jewish slaves that Moses led from bondage of the Pharaoh. Jesus grew up celebrating Passover, a remembrance of emancipation from bondage, and the forty years of wandering and suffering to reach the promised land. The Bible instructs us about the real source of the world's evils such as slavery. It takes a special kind of mind to try to twist the words in the Bible to convince yourself that God is the source of evil in the world. But we have a lot of really good twisters here. I'm sure you already knew that.

Another spin of facts into a lie. You know full well the Obama administration went to R's about this but what did Moscow Mitch do? NOTHING. He would not present this intelligence as a bipartisan issue. Not during an election where he and his party were a beneficiary of it.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/fact-check-trump-claims-obama-did-nothing-russia/index.html

Unsurprisingly princess, you have a very self serving view on this. Pay particular
attention to this paragraph:

"Obama administration officials sought support from bipartisan congressional leaders to send a letter to state governors to urge shoring up of their defenses of election infrastructure. But, as reported by CNN in August 2017, they were rebuffed by Republican leaders, who viewed the request as partisan, according to current and former officials briefed on the discussions."

Again, your boy Moscow Mitch shot it down. And why would he as he knew he would be a beneficiary of Russia's efforts.

You do know that Fusion GPS was retained by a conservative group during the primaries too get dirt on Trump right? This was not started by a foreign adversary, unless, again in your uselessly retarded mind you think the UK is an adversary of ours. You are boned up on Trump foreign policy!

Thank you William. Jesus was proclaiming He was the Messiah. The source of the world's evil is sin, rebellion and pride; Adam's and each of ours. Jesus was also proclaiming the Good News of forgiveness of sin, freedom from bondage to sin, and eternal salvation by repentance and faith in Him (not the church) as Lord and as personal savior.

Miller: do us Baptists, or Keith (RC), have a hope of salvation without being baptized in a Church of Christ church? (Mark 16:16)

Also not a good topic for pleasant conversation at a Baptist potluck

Still too cowardly to answer my simple questions, huh?

Instead, you predictably attempt to change the subject and twist my words. You zeroed in on but one little comment, and got it 100% wrong idiot.

So now you can also show us just where I ever said that the UK is a foreign adversary. I specifically stated that it was a result of foreign influence. Did rocky mtn bill teach you both spelling and reading??? And it was an attorney from Perkins Cole law firm that used money from the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign to hire Fusion GPS.

The DNC picked it up after Trump won the nomination. Your the one who doesn�t seem to realize Steele was former MI-6..

I see you quickly danced away from Moscow Mitch�s lack of action...

I was baptized as an infant Preacher. Roman Catholic. That's why I continue to reject King's totally dishonest story about Roman Catholic clerics who would baptize his father as an adult convert, without belief in the Resurrection of Jesus. And I reaffirmed that rite when I was confirmed. Then we continue to openly reaffirm our beliefs and rejection of Satan during a blessing every year at Easter.

Something that you and I and Miller could take from this sidebar discussion is the real possibility that Liberal Left Democrats would use our belief in God as an excuse to utilize Red Flag Laws, and declare us all unfit to own firearms. That's more in line with the topic than nitpicking each other to death over the words in the Bible.

Good of you to admit that the DNC picked it up and ran with a phony dossier based upon a foreign lie. Liberals suddenly concerned about opposition research and digging for dirt on opponents want us to forget about their digging for George Bush's record as an Air Force Reservist or his DUI conviction. And where in hell did you ever get the idea that I didn't know Christopher Steele was a British Intelligence agent? That doesn't make the UK an adversary though, does it? Trump had worse enemies in our own FBI and CIA, including the Directors.

How could I run away from "Moscow Mitch's lack of action" when no such thing has even been mentioned here??? I have repeatedly mentioned Obama's lack of action... but you don't want to go near that, do you???

No nca225, it is only you and King who continue to run away and deflect away from simple questions. What are you so afraid of coward?

Think of the children Billie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKj4L6GwL5Y

I therefore pass judgement on no man, but simply try my best to Proclaim the message which Jesus stated was From The Father. Anyone who Believes in God should be perfectly aware they are Betting their Eternal Soul on whether they are following "His Word" or not.

Nothing more important William, for any of us, than having confident assurance that we know the answer to Acts 16:30 "What must I do to be saved?"
I am well aware of what some Church of Christ churches (which are all independent, as are Baptist churches) believe, and which Miller declined to elaborate
https://www.namb.net/apologetics-blog/churches-of-christ/

Time for an internet alter call Lonesome?

Oops, I clicked on the wrong link and got redirected to your continuous free advertising of your gunsmithing business. Has your fellow Libtard friend King lectured you on that yet? Because King was sure concerned that I was cheating Dave by using a link to NRA Political Victory Fund as my tagline. He said I was doing free advertising for the NRA.

Then he also accused me of cheating Dave and doing free advertising for the Republican Party because I changed my tagline to a small pic or Reagan toasting "Us Deplorables". Maybe this will jog King's memory:

Election boards are run at the state level for local, state, and federal elections in the US. If �Moscow Mitch� had any say in a place like Minnesota, Ilhan Omar would not have been elected to Congress.

Minnesota has a long and proud history of throwing elections to democrat contestants who have lost, she is only the latest criminal version. We actually caught union repair workers setting voting machines to only count democrat votes here. Let me guess, you didn�t see that on the evening news, did you Chris?

She will get tossed, just like stupid Al Franken, in the end.

Best,
Ted

I have no quarrel with Miller Preacher. Neither he nor his Church has passed judgement on me. Unlike some here, Miller has never once lied to me, or ever lied about me. He has always been a strong defender of our NRA and our 2nd Amendment. He does not support anti-gunners or politicians who infringe upon our gun rights. Unlike the totally worthless nca225, Miller has been a great source of useful double gun information too. And he's a Syracuse Lefever Guy! Now that is the kind of guy we need in the Fraternity of Gun Owners. I consider Miller a friend, and hope he feels the same about me.

I hope you will move on to a more deserving target.

As I suggested he could, Miller demonstrated that he could respond quite capably to my post. He happened to do it while I was writing my last response to you.

So much BS. So little time. Or is that no real interest on my part?

Let's see.....where did you remotely indicate it? In the post that I quoted. Either you are really dense, or you think the rest of us are. Every time someone writes something, there are the words on the page and then there is the intended meaning. It's quite clear what you mean in that sentence, in the context of the thread. And it's only a weasel who would try to suggest otherwise. I'm looking at you Keith. hahaha!

I don't need to twist any of your words to make you look bad Keith. You do that just fine on your own.

You found I couldn't be "trusted" (I wonder with what....your little conspiracy theories?)several years ago. What a lie. You were only too happy to count me as an ally until this past March when I called you out on your ridiculous behavior on this forum and you had a melt down.

What you accuse me of doing just now is what you do every day Keith. And many of us are sick to death of it and you. Our self appointed protector. God forbid someone post a sentiment that doesn't align with your thinking.

Ack! I'm clutching my pearls! Keith thinks I'm a weasel and has even made up a nickname for me. Woe is me.

You're a joke Keith. And you are just one of the small few who don't know it. jOe would be the other, seeing as you dragged poor old jOe into this one. Almost makes me feel sorry for him. That's kind of a habit of yours isn't it, Keith. Dragging people into your tirades who have nothing to do with the goings on.

The mistake nca, King, Rev Drew, Brent, SKB and many others make is taking you seriously. There you are, fingers dancing cross the keyboard.....saving a bunch of relatively hard core, right wing gun enthusiasts from liberals. Thank goodness for Keith. We'd be lost without you.

Bwahahahaha!

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Sorry honey, we aren't friends anymore.

Careful keith, nca is rolling out the big guns, a cnn opinion piece.

nca, I appreciate that you provided the quote, because I just ain't gonna click on any of your links. Why do you think barry would do anything bipartisan?

If all he had to do was mail off fifty form letters to save the nation and put the kgb in its place, why didn't he. Oh, that's right, he always asked Republicans for permission to do anything. It sure looks like russia paid barak, for his 'flexibility' promise at the end of his first term, or maybe they have something on him, hmmm? You can get that tingle up your leg that the russians control him to this day, because he has to act inept and incompetant to make Trump look good.

Those slick kommies knew that if husane was duped into building it, the useful idiots would follow and parrot the mantra, eh? So you say putin wanted to sow the seeds of discourse, thank you for your service to mother russia.

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Does it involve snakes?

why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Et8Gmhupk

Well said CB, well said.

You're so good at parroting trump that fact checking him is "opinion" I bet if you put on your best dress you could be his new personal assistant. He just canned his last 28 year old model/"assistant". You have all that you need for the job. An ability to swallow anything, and a tendency to keep your eyes shut and look the other way!

Keith: send your friend a PM and ask if, as a Roman Catholic, you have hope of salvation.

I understand now, and am happy to drop it, until the next slavery as God's will post comes up.

LR & SKB: I'm a non-cessationist, but no snake handlin' for me. Had a pig run through a service in Guatemala once though

FYI, another mass shooting in Texas today. Not good...

FYI, your nyts, in an article exactly a month ago, says that murders in just four US cities, chic., balt., la and phili, have accurately predicted the murder trends for the entire nation since '94. Weird, eh? Twelve hours into the three day weekend, eight people have been shot, two of them killed in chic. It's sad for the folks there that there's still two days to go. The pace slows down a bit until next weekend, then like clockwork, eh?

It seems at least sometimes the Lord does indeed provide bacon

The link you cited is written by men & has so many errors ot is not expedient to name them. Their take on Mark 16:16 is simply ludicrous. As you brought this up I will cite this verse;

Mar 16:15� And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.�
Mar 16:16� He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I ask you HOW does one misunderstand the message here, HOW??
The writer of that link says this passage does not address one who believes but is not Baptised, that is sheer ignorance.

It's somewhat like if it was raining outside & someone had to go out so I offer them a raincoat & tell them to put this on "AND" it will keep you dry. But if you don't take it then you're going to get WET. So they take it, hold it in their hand & then complain I didn't tell them If you don't put it on you're going to get wet. Doesn't everyone know what the conjunction AND means? The only reason for the part He that Believeth Not shall be Dammed is to state that just being dunked in the water without belief (Faith) will only get you Wet.

As I said before though, I am no-ones Judge, my only mission as a Christian is to Teach The Word. The Word which Jesus spoke will Judge everyone in the Last Day.
Jesus said Heaven & Earth shall pass away but My Word Shall Not Pass Away.
The New Testament Church has been in existence since the first Pentecost following the Ressurection of our Saviour. Neither Barton Stone nor Alexander Campbell Founded it. Jesus bought it with His Blood.

Uh, no... it wasn't at all well said. Your lying two faced Canadian weasel friend is back again, trying desperately to claim that I said something which I never said.

Since you often do the same exact thing Nancy-boy, it is not at all surprising to see you two in agreement. Mustela frenata took part of a post I made and twisted my words. What a complete and total fraud to first suggest that I wished to return to an earlier time of slavery and serfdom. Why would I want that, when I am against the remnants we still have today with dictatorships enslaving people, and Democrats working to take our rights?

It makes no sense at all, but Mustela frenata is very invested in attempting to discredit me... just as he is obviously obsessed with jOe. But here's the fraud once again... seeing things that are not there.



What an even bigger lying fraud to come back a second time to again insist I said something which I clearly never said. But I never expected a weasel to be a man, and admit that he jumped to totally unfounded and nonsensical conclusions. This crybaby weasel is very quick to cry foul when he thinks someone has put words in his mouth.



The lying weasel also accuses me of having a "melt-down" here. The truth is, I quietly sent him a PM telling him to go f**k himself, and thus terminating the friendship I mistakenly thought we once had. I finally understood that jOe was absolutely right about him when jOe said "With friends like that, who needs enemies?" It was this twisting Canadian weasel who had the estrogen fueled "Melt-Down", by posting that PM as a Thread and bringing his tears public.

So the lying piece of shit now comes back again... (after telling us how very disinterested he is... another obvious lie)... and tries once again to twist my words. Talk about "pure speculation based upon the most minimal of facts"... actually, zero facts! You and this two-faced Canadian weasel make a great team nca225. Two of a kind in so many ways.

The weasel's ignorant accusations that I harbor conspiracy theories are funny too. The lying weasel sent me a PM within hours of Shortshells first post to ask me who I though he was... not the other way around. I recall thinking the weasel's curiosity about it was rather strange. This weasel is a real twister. King must be proud of him.

And I see you still haven't found the balls to answer those questions I asked nca225. Well, I guess you can't find testicles when you never had any to start with. Maybe you could buy a pair from Planned Parenthood.

Preacher, I'm not really concerned whether Miller or anyone else besides Jesus thinks I have any hope of salvation. I have my own religion, and I have my own sins to worry about. I also still live in a country where no man or no government may impose another religion on me if I don't wish to practice it. And Miller has indeed told us in the past that he is no man's judge. He repeated it for you once again.

I still haven't seen where Miller ever said that slavery is or was God's will. He has merely stated that there is no Biblical prohibition against it. And try as you might, you haven't found any direct prohibition of it in the Bible either. Even the Commandments He gave to Moses and the formerly enslaved Jewish people didn't contain such a prohibition. But that doesn't mean we should infer "tacit approval" by either Miller or God.

That also doesn't mean that God created or sanctioned slavery, or that it is God's will that some people have been enslaved throughout history. There are a lot of evils in this world that God is aware of without those evils being the will of God. God gave man the free will to be good or evil... and He will judge us accordingly.

Of course, some here use the presence of evil or suffering in the world as their excuse to be agnostics or atheists.

Attacking a guy like Miller is about as smart as shooting a good hunting dog when you have a garbage dump full of rats to target. The reason I feel you should drop this attack on Miller is simply because you are also somehow seeing words which he never ever said. It wouldn't kill you to apologize to him either.

This is also why I like the QUOTE function, and why I hate to see any posts or threads deleted here. We have the power to go back to see exactly what was said, and what wasn't said, unless those words are deleted. Locked threads are great, because then people like Bob Cash and SKB can't go back and edit out what they said. Unfortunately, we also have some (like a certain two-faced Canadian weasel) who see things that were never said, and some others who will deny their own words even when QUOTED with a date and post number provided.

Drew is one to talk about slavery....

Each and every Missionary trip he's been on is about nothing but thievery and slavery....

First he steals their culture from them then he makes them a slave to his religion.

If there is any restitution due it should be paid by religious zealots like Missionaries.

Miller: One of my preacher buddies was a Church of Christ pastor, with an M.Div. from Abilene Christian. I know what some COC elders teach regarding salvation, which you do not wish to address.

This week there will be funerals in West Texas in Church of Christ, Baptist, Methodist and Catholic churches. How about we all give it a rest and pray God's peace and comfort for the grieving families, for the pastors doing those funerals, that the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be preached, and that in some way, in this terrible event, that God may be glorified. Pray also there will not be a copycat event during some church service this day - ours will be prepared.
Maybe consider what hope we could possibly have without Jesus.
And pray for this Nation.

So Preacher, is this your way of telling us that you are backing away from your false and erroneous idea that Miller was saying that slavery was God's will?

Bingo! We have a winner. That is our Billie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrHd3nkCIz4

Thanks for your moral compass Steve, you keep 'Billie' on the straight and narrow, cuz there's feel'ins here that need tip toe'in around, eh?

Umm, you are quoting someone else yet directing your post to me? How bizarre.

Maybe you are suggesting Billie apply for the open position as gatekeeper?

Billie does indeed need to be kept in check. Note his post calling for a return to better times....which he is denying now like the LIAR we all know Billie to be.

Another lie. You love getting threads, where you realize you let too much of your true nature out of the bag, deleted. Just like in the memoriam page where you got my tribute to George HW Bush deleted because I caught you and quoted your very words coming out in support of David Koresh and his child molesting cult.

There were only three people who posted on that thread. You, Geo and I. Geo made one post in tribute to HW after mine, you however took the bait and started disparaging our former president because he turned in his NRA membership due to LaPierre calling Law Enforcement jack booted thugs and from there we got to your sympathies and support for the Branch Dividians. That thread had maybe 30 views (including the numerous times we responded to each other) before you begged Dave to delete it to save you from your idiot self.

Do you really expect any of us to believe the maybe dozen other people who saw it were so offended that they had to get Dave to delete a relatively unread thread or that you, somehow actually developed a sense of shame and realized you shouldn't be supporting a child molesting cult in public? That one didn't get locked so we all could at least see what you wrote, it got deleted.

What a grown man you are..."Save me Dave! Save me!"

Not really. Just show'in a little needed admiration for the gatekeeper's gatekeeper.

Don't be too surprised SKB, a side effect of pontificating from the abstract and obscuring one's own idiocy with pro's.

I have noticed your admiration for Billie and all his cringe worthy views.

You are a real team player Craig.......

Wouldn't team catcher be more descriptive? keith's pitching while craig's catching.

Really Stevie... you are not only stupid, but you continue to show us what a LIAR you are. Here again is what I said that got your spineless Canadian weasel pal all lathered up. To make it easier for you to look for something that clearly isn't there, the entire post is post #553761 from yesterday at 2:23 PM:



Please explain exactly how anything in that comment is "calling for a return to better times"... particularly considering the last six words of it. Show us Stevie... or you can do what you usually do, and try to twist things or just change the subject.

And after you answer that one, maybe you will become brave enough to address my earlier question to you about why King doesn't think you are cheating Dave Weber when you run your perpetual free advertising in your tag-line, and frequently sell your gunsmithing and gun importation services here.

When nca225 stops by Planned Parenthood to buy a pair of aborted baby testicles, maybe he/she will be kind enough to buy a half dozen, and share a pair with you and Mustela frenata too.

Here is your complete post....we all know what you are saying in it. Please do continue to deny your words.....seeing you squirm like a weasel in a trap is making my weekend.

So please, once again Stevie... point out the words where I am "calling for a return to better times". I don't see them, and only a twisting LIAR like you will have the ability to take us all right to the words that you and your weasel friend are attempting to put in my mouth.

And after you specifically point it out, how about answering the question about your advertising here. LYING Coward.

Awe, com'on Steve, you read like a PG version of nca. If I felt like using keith's words, I would. But, if you don't like him, just say it, don't pretend to have facts on your side when you just keep sharing your feelings, right? Do you really cringe, or do you just see it as an opportunity?

From the gal who thinks a fact checked news article is an opinion piece�

I don't like Billie.

Pleas do tells us how things were better during slavery in this country Billie. Anyone who can read can see that is your meaning.

Better for the slaves or the owners?


Lying Willie the Weasel.......

Geez Stevie, you are doing a better job of twisting and putting words in my mouth than your lying Canadian weasel friend.

So once again Stevie... show us exactly where I said that things were better in this country during slavery. Or at least go back to your original LIE, and show us exactly where in that post #553761, I am "calling for a return to better times."

I notice that your words in the first sentence you wrote are pretty screwed up Stevie. You must be hitting the bong early today. Seeing words I never said, and imputing meaning that doesn't even make any sense, considering what I actually wrote, is also indicative that you may be on drugs. Or maybe I shouldn't blame drugs when it is obvious that you are simply a very stupid LIAR.

And you are obviously afraid to answer my question about your perpetual free advertising of your business, which you do here.

Hi cutie, we know your agenda. Why don't you take a minute and look up the viewership trends for cnn in recent years, maybe the smart folks are fact checking them with their channel clickers. What's that say about you?

There you go. So, we're discussing your needs, not the needs of others, eh?

Oh, so news accuracy is proportional to viewership. Parroting trump again, eh? Well get your dress on sally, he�s accepting resumes!

Of course you don't like me Stevie. I am everything that you are not. I am a Conservative heterosexual man who supports our NRA, our pro-gun President Donald Trump, and the 2nd Amendment in its' entirety. Unlike you, I would never post a link containing data from anti-gunners to support a LIE about gun registration in New Zealand. I call you out on your LIES and I ask you uncomfortable questions about your perpetual use of this site for advertising your gunsmithing and gun importation businesses. I've frequently used your own words to support my opinion that you are a closet Liberal. I've pointed out the spineless behavior you, BrentD, and Bob Cash exhibited when you all ran your internet doxxing campaign. You are pure slime Stevie... a spineless coward who has obviously has serious mental issues and a big problem telling the truth. My opinions of you are based entirely upon what you post here Stevie. If worms like you, Mustela frenata, nca225, Bob Cash, BrentD, etc. ever liked me, I'd feel like I slipped into a septic tank.

I saw you reading my last post, and you ran away without backing up the twisting and LIES you told this morning. You also ran away from the question about your use of this site for free advertising of your businesses.

This is a bit like nca225 going on and on with his repeated accusation that I defended David Koresh in the George Bush Memorial thread. He/she admits here that the thread ran for a time before it was deleted. He/she saves any QUOTE made by me that he/she thinks he/she can later dredge up to use against me. Yet he/she didn't save a gold mine like that. And he/she is still afraid to ask Dave if I have ever once asked him to delete any thread. I absolutely did not think that Janet Reno had to kill all of those Branch Davidian women and children, just to get David Koresh. I never once defended David Koresh or his actions, unless saying that the government had many opportunities to arrest him as he jogged outside the compound is somehow defending a child molester. But nca225 defends that massacre by the Clinton Justice Dept.

Like nca225 and most Libtards, your reply to uncomfortable questions is to change the subject, or flee like a sissy. You can hope that this thread gets deleted. Then you can deny your lies, and tell everyone that you proved me wrong, or that I said something which I would never even think to say.

Please explain how times were better during slavery. That is the context of your post.

How were times better then? For the Slaves?

Now quit LYING you WEASEL.

That's cute. Nope, I was thinking that opinion accuracy is proportional to viewership, right? It's okay, I know what it says about you to my full satisfaction. I was just thinking you would take the chance to support your position with a link to glad or code pink.

And your LIES continue William.

Sorry you did not get the attention you so desperately desire from me immediately. I was out utilizing my 2nd amendment rights sneaking in a Blue Grouse hunt before it gets too hot today. Blues 1, Steve and the Spaniel's 0. The game is not over though, just this round.

You are a bore William with your same old tired LIES.

Great to see you exposed on the board for the amoral sleaze bag that you are.

My needs not the needs of others? How bizzare......

Does that equally apply to the many times that she has expressed her dislike of me? My guess is not. You two are team mates.

So do you enable, advocate for or just look the other way when it come to the sex slave trade on the southern border, due only to porosity?

Holy shit Stevie, that's amazing!

Now be a man and tell us exactly where you found those words. Tell us the post number and tell us what line those words came from.

You took my words asking you to prove your LIE, and manufactured a totally out-of-context QUOTE in order to concoct yet another LIE.

C'mon Stevie... try to be a man for once in your life, and show us exactly where you got those words. You won't do it , because you are a filthy LIAR and you will try anything to try to cover your LIES.

I didn't think that even you would be stupid and dishonest enough to pull something like this. This exchange is one for the books. I hope I will get to save all of it before your pals cry to Dave to delete this.

Wow, denying what you wrote plain as day. You must of picked that skill from something you swallowed from princess. How does it feel to be her man and not your own?

Context for you, you LYING WEASEL. What times were you calling for us to return to? The context of the discussion was slavery dumb ass.

Oh no, it's two on two now? No big deal, I noticed you were sharing about what another needed, when it looks like it was about your need. How unbizarre. Where's rm bill, he'll tip the scales for your team, eh?

please do show where I said I need anything......

You will notice that Sweet William started attacking me before I responded. Cute how you are there for him when Frank can not be.

I'm feeling magnanimous today princess...




Since CB put it the best way yet, with words you can understand....I think...

Hey Steve, mr. bizarro with another quote for you from your team, just in case you missed it.

Such selective outrage Craig. I am impressed.

Seems your feelings are getting hurt. To bad for your facade that you lost your cool and started reacting to them. I thought you knew better...

Up your old habits of hacking board members Billie? Should I be scared?
BWAHAHAHAHA

How can you be so dishonest and so stupid to say that I was calling for a return to better times concerning the days when slavery was legal in the U.S.?

You even had to resort to dishonest creative editing using words from a completely different post I made.

I specifically asked you to show us exactly where you found those words. What post number did it come from and what line?

Then tell us the post number of the original post that you and the lying Canadian weasel twisted the meaning of. I said that you wouldn't do that, and I was right. Instead you are attempting to do more twisting, and seeing some "context" that clearly wasn't there.

You are really moving heaven and earth to try to cover this latest series of LIES.

And posting at 9:35 AM... sticking around for awhile reading threads, but not responding... then returning with a finished reply at 11:04 AM... Wow, that had to be the quickest blue grouse hunt in history. You must move through the woods even faster than you concoct LIESStevie.

Are you really that stupid, or are you just trying to run away from answering the question about your use of this site for free advertising?

That question isn't going to go away, and deleting this thread won't hide your lies this time. I was able to save them.

I edited NOTHING, post #553761 page 10 of this thread, your words advocating a return to better times.....sad but true.

It ain't there Stevie. In no place within that post did I advocate "a return to better times".

Here is the edited QUOTE you made up Stevie:



So show us where that is written by me within my post #553761.

The words aren't there, and neither are intent or "context".

But why don't you walk us right to it... or put those invisible imaginary dishonest lying words in BOLD or COLORED print.

You are flailing wildly now, making yourself look like an even bigger LYING ASS than you have shown us to be in the past.

And you still are too afraid to answer the question about your continual use of this site to advertise your businesses.

Shirley, you jest. I just hold Steve in much higher regard than I hold you. He is wrong when he thinks I'm having some selective outrage, it's selective targeting of you. He's got his standards though, won't quite admit he's on your team. And, sorry I mentioned rm bill, it was only in the context of emotional bomb throwing, and not your similar agendas for the future of the US of A.

You have a nice labor day, fitting, and thank God it's not Memorial Day with your brand of patriotism.

Keep Denying it but it is there for all to read until you are able to get Dave to delete your words, context and all. We can read and comprehend on this board, capiche?

The best spot I know for Blues is walking distance from my house. We dropped down several hundred feet and worked the draw up. Field bred Springers cover ground quite quickly. Same hunt, 3 years ago.

Its good to know I bother you. And BTW, don't mention patriotism around here. Your credibility is shot on that. You supported a foreign adversary influencing our election because it benefited your political party and ideology and then condoned steps to conceal the influence and lie about it to the American people. Patriots don't do that, traitors do.

So Stevie, you still can't show us where I said what you claim.

That's not surprising considering that what you say is there just isn't there. Not words. Not intent. And not context. You are a low life FILTHY LIAR Stevie.

I not only never asked Dave to delete any thread, but I took the time to save every word we exchanged today, including post numbers, in case one of your pals cries to Dave to delete this.

I'd like to make the same challenge to you as I did to nca225. I want you to ask Dave if I have ever once asked him to delete a thread. Once I PM'd him to ask him to lock a thread... if he had to...instead of deleting it. I did that because I felt that it was very likely that one of your weasel pals would ask him to delete it.

When you contact Dave to ask him that simple question, you can also ask him what he thinks of your perpetual use of his site to advertise your business. Oh, wait a minute... I think Dave has already told us the answer to that one:



I put Dave's "Random Rant in BOLD PURPLE PRINT just for you Stevie. But unlike you, I didn't edit anything or try to change his words or meaning by being a LYING FRAUD like you.

And here is a link that will explain why apostrophes and quotation marks in Dave's statement showed up with this-- ’ -- instead of an apostrophe, etc. I was going to fix it, but didn't want to get accused of dishonest editing. However, there is no mistaking his feelings on the subject:

https://www.justinweiss.com/articles/how-to-get-from-theyre-to-theyre/

Your dog may cover ground that fast to complete a grouse hunt in little over an hour, but I don't believe that you could keep up with him. You would trip over your LYING Pinnochio nose.

So what did you do? Beg Dave to lie for you when you begged him to delete all those threads too?

Please explain how things have changed, and not necessarily for the better, in regards to the decline of slavery?

Your words, not mine. Sad but True. Maybe Dave will come to your rescue and delete this one.

Hey, that's really great. Maybe Stevie will be just as idiotic as you, and join you in suggesting that Dave Weber would lie for me.

Does anyone think that we'll see nca225 and Stevie's cohort, the two faced lying weasel from Canada, Mustela frenata, jumping in to confront this conspiracy theory?

Oh the conspiracy theory is back! Sweeet! Is the other shoe about to drop too?

Geez you idiot, I very clearly stated that "We still have remnants of those times today with dictatorships and all powerful rulers who enslave virtually their entire populations in some manner."

We absolutely do still have slavery today. I have posted a link to the Polaris Project a number of times for King to show him that some blacks enslave young girls in the sex trade. Some modern day brutal dictators utilize torture and mass murder in their modern day enslavement of humans.

How can anyone with a brain read that and jump to the dishonest conclusion that my post # 553761 included this statement or idea...



And just where did you see those words from that QUOTE in my post #553761??? Why won't you tell us precisely where you got that QUOTE... so your customers can check the entire statement and see what a dishonest piece of crap you are. You are flailing and tap dancing around simple questions and simple challenges because you know you are a LYING FRAUD Stevie.

Did you contact Dave to ask him if I have ever asked him to delete a thread? And what do you think of his feelings about guys who cheat him and take advantage of him by using his forums for free advertising of their business. His words on the subject were pretty clear Stevie. The thread that QUOTE came from is much too old for anyone to edit it.

Usually by now, one of your pals swoops in to save you from your LIES and stupidity. Why have they abandoned you Stevie?

And are you really so stupid that you couldn't understand that the conspiracy theory I mentioned concerned nca225's idea that Dave would lie for me and delete threads just to somehow save me??? The only real conspiracy theory that I'm aware of here is the one manufactured by your equally dishonest Canadian weasel friend. He knows that you and BrentD and Bob Trash teamed up to engage in internet doxxing here, and now wants to pretend it never happened. I don't have a record of the vulgar threatening phone call I got from Steven Dodd Hughes because I called him.

Yes, it appears that you really are that stupid. I can't imagine why anyone would trust a dishonest dumb-ass like you with their gun. Is that why you feel the need to continually advertise your businesses here?

Steve'O wouldn't your time be better spent farming out gunsmith work....

Just saying.

Not my fault you�re predictable.

In place of that nonsensical reply nca225, don't you think it would have been more productive to answer the questions I posed that you keep running away from?

Or are you running to get in shape so that you can also complete a grouse hunt in a little over an hour like Stevie? I've never ended a hunt that quickly, even if it was raining.

The beauty of living inside the boundary of the forest is I can hunt for as long or as little as I like. I usually work mid day when it is warm and hunt a bit morning and evening. I killed two of my last three bucks after working all day. I love our public Lands. One of the many things that makes this Country great. My guess is I spend more time outside and more days in the field than you do William.

So Stevie, why is it that you have an answer to my comment about your speed grouse hunting, yet you keep running away from the other questions I asked in the post prior to that?

What are you afraid of Stevie? Why do you run and hide and try to change the subject? I'm not going to stop asking those questions Stevie. But another question occurs to me. The two-faced Canadian weasel was here reading this thread a short while ago, and he left without making a reply. Do you think he went to get his son to have him read the long string of LIES and utter stupidity posted here by you, his good buddy?

By the way, I live in the country too, and can also start hunting as soon as I walk out of my door. I shot three groundhogs from my window one day last week. I had three deer barely move out of my way when I was brush-hogging my field a couple days ago. I still have never done speed-grouse hunting like you did this morning. But now that you are satisfied with your explanation, will you now answer those other questions and contact Dave Weber to ask if I have ever once asked him to delete a thread? Ask him if he has changed his mind about people who cheat him by continually advertising their business on his forum too!

Let us know how that works out for you.

I see you changed your tagline to further advertise your businesses.

Oh my mistake William. I now see the bleeding heart liberal in you coming out and speaking up for poor oppressed masses. Now that is rich!

Tell us about the good old days Bill.

Keith's posts reinforce his observation that change and evolution aren't necessarily for the better.

Keith's posts reinforce his observation that change and evolution aren't necessarily for the better. He continues to believe that calling someone names is scoring some sort of victory. Sad.

Still running... still deflecting... still twisting, eh Stevie? Are you now going to try to say that I have never before mentioned modern day slavery or the existence of brutal dictatorships? I know that you Libtards think that Conservatives have no compassion for the downtrodden and those tortured and killed by Leftist Socialist dictators, but we do. Maybe you'll say that I got Dave to delete it all, and lie for me.

Why are you so afraid to answer my questions Stevie? You don't have anything to worry about. Everyone who has followed this exchange already knows what a LYING piece of shit you are.

Do you think you have space in your new free advertising tagline to include your use of links with data from known anti-gunners which you used to support your lies about gun registration in New Zealand?

Or how about a line letting customers know that you stand by like a spineless sheep as federal agents illegally photograph your FFL ledger books? Tell them about those good old days Stevie.

I keep reaching out to you, and am trying to make you like me. Is it working yet?

Hey Bill, this is one of the rare times that you aren't name calling. Is everything okay? You might get a frig magnet and keep your thought handy whenever you feel the need to peddle some progress.

My apologies, I forgot that your really a welfare queen and not only need people to draw you the picture, but also color it in for you.

The reason why I refer to you as predictable, is because you are the type of pussy that would not only beg Dave to delete a thread, but also beg him to lie for you, so you could further lie about not doing it and have some cover for it. Really quite a poor ruse and clear when you consider how many of your posts on this forum that were deleted that were embarrassing to you and how you claim to have no knowledge of it.

Predictable and pathetic.

OK, so when do you plan to ask Dave Weber how many threads he has deleted at my request nca225?

You are afraid to answer the questions I asked you, and you are afraid to ask Dave to confirm your conspiracy theory.

We would also like to hear your conspiracy theory for why you feel that Dave Weber would lie for me. If I was really and truly embarrassing myself with my posts, I would probably be acting like you and Stevie. I would be evading answering both of you and your comments, and I would probably be twisting and making up wild-assed stories about Dave Weber.

Here's another question for you to run from. Why do you think rocky mtn bill is concerned about my name calling, but not yours or Stevie's or Mustela frenata's? Enquiring minds want to know.

Umm, I did, in several threads in the past and on this one, serval pages ago, and you responded to that answer as well.

Did you forget or are you lying again by suggesting that I have yet to respond to that one?

Here it is AGAIN for you princess, last paragraph in the above quote.

And here is your response to that. So why do you keep asking a question you know the answer to? Seems kind of retarded to me.

I haven't been name calling anyone in this thread Keith. Go back and read my posts.

Just another lie, just another twist of the truth.

Here's another....your accusation I had a melt down in March?? Too funny. Better go back and read your PM to me. The one titled "Go FCUK Yourself" And the one I wrote that caused your meltdown.

One (mine) is kinda straightforward and one (yours) is a hissy fit. Keep misrepresenting that and I'll publish it so all can judge who had the meltdown.

No, seriously nca225, I was really hoping that.this time around,you might slip and tell the truthinstead of that laugher where I'm the evil "thug bully" who gets what he deserves, while you and your pals are innocent choir boys in the Holy Moly Atheist Church of Total and Complete Bullshit.

But at least that reply gave you yet another opportunity to run away from my other questions. Did you contactDave yet to see what he has to say about your conspiracy theory that has him deleting threads to save me and also has himl lying for me?

Well Mustela frenata, it didn't take long at all for me to find name calling in your replies to me. You even took my generic name for you, and called me a weasel. Do you need a post number, date, and time? Or would you prefer to run away from your lies like your pals do? I suppose calling me a liar or OCD doesn't count in your world. And try to be honest for once, and take a gander at your past posts... especially those where you demonstrate your obsessive compulsive need to denigrate jOe.

Yeah you're another innocent choir boy Mustela. And you can try to deny it, but you own the Melt-Down tag. I tried having a frank discussion with you by e-mail... off the board and strictly between us. You decided you needed to show your buddies your estrogen overload by continuing your attacks in public.

I finally realized, a couple years too late, that JOe was 100% right about you... which probably explains your need to discredit him every chance you get. jOe's words, "With friends like you, who needs enemies" finally sunk in... about two or three years too late. So I sent you a PM... A personal message... where I admittedly told you to go f**k yourself, and terminated our sham friendship. That's it. No melt downs or emotions. Over and done, with my one little special exclamation point. I felt better for finally doing it. However, you were so butthurt that you decided to take it public, and you turned my PM into a now deleted thread on the main Double Gun forum.

If you wish to publish it again, go for it. Stop with the hysterical threats and just do it. Have a replay of your little melt-down if it makes you feel better. It won't change my opinion of you a bit, and it might show a few more people why I decided you were a phony two-faced Canadian weasel.

I don�t need to confirm what I already know princess. Sorry, but Dave must get harassed about or by you enough, I won�t be bothering him, just you.

Bwahahaha! You took the bait.

Show me where I called you a weasel, or any other derogatory name, in this thread, using your rules of engagement. You can't.

"Hoist with his own petard!"

Yeah, I took the bait alright. From your post # 553813 made yesterday...




And it's only a two-faced Canadian weasel who would deny that is name-calling. We won't mention you saying I am dense, and we also shouldn't mention your "woman scorned" statement in the same post, which the fairy gunsmith found so amusing.

But I totally expect you to try to twist and deny your words, meaning, and context... while you and the idiot Stevie still maintain that my post# 553713 about past and present day slavery said something about returning to a better time. Stevie spent much of the day yesterday dancing around that utter LIE. I thought he wasn't man enough to acknowledge his LIE (he never is), but perhaps this time he was just too stupid.

You are getting as desperate and dishonest as Stevie. You aren't one-tenth the man that jOe is. But do continue with your melt-down.

Good to hear Frank is keeping you satisfied

I'll spell it out a second time for you Keith. Using YOUR rules of engagement, I called no one any names. Go back and show me where I did?

My point being the utter bullshit you spew by selectively quoting and refusing to acknowledge the context when other write things. Only the specific words.

That is spin and you do it every day on here.

What a joke.

Holy sh!t, he does love him! Stand by your man princess, stand by your man.

That's really rich Mustela frenata. But hey, didn't I predict that you'd try to "weasel" out of your ridiculous definition of what constitutes name calling? And it doesn't change the fact at all, that you and Stevie spent the better part of two days attempting to ascribe thoughts, words, and ideas onto me that I never either wrote or harbored. If this is your idea of a trap or bait, then you failed miserably.

"Rules of Engagement"! Hah, this is more akin to the dishonest word games your pal King played, using his so-called "craft of journalism".

So then brain-child, how about an example for your exceedingly thick skull? What you are apparently trying to say is this... if we merely imply that Stevie is a faggot without actually calling him a faggot... then it isn't name calling, eh? Let's try it, using what you call "Rules of Engagement".

It's quite clear what you mean by marching in Gay Pride Parades with nca225. In the context of the nylon stockings, lipstick, and feathered scarf with the leather hot-pants you wear, what you imply is quite clear. Only someone who is hiding in their gay closet would try to suggest otherwise. I'm looking at you Stevie...hahaha!

So how did I do there Mustela? Does that sound familiar? Using what you call "Rules of Engagement", nowhere in that statement did I call Stevie a queer or faggot. I think we could have fun with this, and certainly, guys like Gladys Kravitz would be thrilled that nobody is doing any name calling.

"Hoist with his own petard", indeed!

Actually Mustela, your logic is not only seriously flawed, it sounds like something that would come from a brain-dead Libtard like nca225. It appears that your conversion is complete. Congratulations. I've wondered several times in the past year, just what Doug (PA24) would think of the new you. I believe that he would be appalled. Actually, I know he would be appalled. You have a lot to be proud of Mustela.

I'm not sure just what your accusation of me using selective QUOTING to engage in spin means. If, for example, you want to suggest that your friend King does not try to subvert and undermine our gun rights, just because he also says he isn't anti-gun, well that's pretty stupid too. Only a small statement from King showing that he still denies that our Framers intended an Individual RKBA is needed, rather than his entire long posts. And like it or not, your pal Stevie really did use a link containing data from the anti-gunner Philip Alpers, and he used that highly questionable data to support his lies about Gun Registration in New Zealand. I picked that out of his posts because it really means something. It isn't the first time he has demonstrated support for anti-gunners or their anti-2nd Amendment incursions.

And if you are suggesting that you don't ever pick one small statement or idea out of a post, and use that to attack someone, well then, you need to go back and examine your totally baseless thought or suggestion that either God or Miller excuses slavery. Or are you now going to deny your own words about Miller harboring "some tacit approval(of slavery) because the Bible doesn't prohibit it?"

Yes, jOe was 100% right about you.

Keith take a close look at the 3 posts above this one....

First one is by the sick gun fArming gunsmutt on a permanent rOcky mountain high...

Next we have the sick kAnook weAsel that thinks he's a psychiatrist.

Then sucking up the rear we have the brain dead socialist mOron naacp225.

All three should be Red Flagged from owning a gun.

I always knew you were for control Frank, no surprise there.

Does Billie call you Daddy when he tells what a man you are?

Sick people like you need to be controlled Stevie.

Frank it is not me who revealed how much of man Billie thinks you are. That was your gal, sweet Willie.

I think it is wonderful you two have found each other. Like Miller, I pass no judgement on the relationship and special bond you share with Billie.

Once again Keith you wrap yourself in Doug's memory like a shield. Pathetic.

I do remember Doug. But I didn't need to use his memory as any shield to totally dismantle you, your ridiculous "trap", or your idiotic ideas about "Rules of Engagement". Your reply is almost as lame as you are.

Actually, the more I think about it, I was probably wrong to think that you have changed over the past several years. In retrospect, from some of the things you let slip out over time, I think you haven't changed at all, and you were doing all you could to hide it.

Do you still want me to rust blue any barrels for you using Doug's formula... after having me on IGNORE??? Yeah, I knew about that when you e-mailed me asking me to blue barrels for you. I don't call you a two-faced Canadian weasel just to be mean. You're a peach! Anyone who trusts you is a fool.

I haven't changed Keith. I've been calling for civility on this board for a very long time. I tried to encourage that quality in you, to no avail. I eventually gave up. I don't need to be an azzhole to support the 2cd and gun rights in both our countries and elsewhere.

You, on the other hand have, over time, have developed into a tiresome bully, demanding we march in lockstep with you. The fact that I no longer turn a blind eye to your bullying is what caused your meltdown and subsequent fury. You are so blinded by your foolish righteousness you can't even recognize when your own tactics are used agaisnt you.

As I have said before and will continue....you are a bully and a joke and the mistake of many is to take you seriously. You are your own worst enemy.

Blah, blah, blah... you're a mean bully and you're tiresome... blather, blather.... I haven't changed... you had a meltdown... blah, blah, blah... did I say you are a bully and had a meltdown???... blather, blather... you're a joke and all I want is civility.... as I have said before... so on and so forth...

No Mustela, I realized that you really haven't changed. You were probably always a two-faced Canadian weasel. You now look like a cat trying to cover up shit on a marble floor Mustela. I really like your precious calls for civility... as you trash jOe every chance you get, and as you try to drag down a good man like Miller.

You showed me what a real friend you were there when you e-mailed me to ask me to rust blue barrels for you using Doug's formula, yet you had me on "IGNORE". I knew about that, and didn't say anything to you or reply to your e-mail. I thought it would be better to watch and wait, and see how things played out. You re-initiated contact with me and you we're doing what I felt was some unusual probing. So I gave you replies that were um, not 100% accurate. When seeds I planted with you sprouted elsewhere, I knew you were a rat. But I still didn't say anything. You know... that advice Dean gave about keeping friends close and enemies closer?

Your actions speak far louder than your disingenuous words. My patience paid off, and I am far better off without a fake friend like you. You are nothing but a petty two-faced fraud and weasel. Anyone who trusts you is a fool.

In the decade or so I've been involved with this site, I can't recall a single instance of someone picking a quarrel with Keith. He has always been the one to initiate a fight, and it always begins with his slurs. It always ends with his complaining about the treatment he has goaded others into serving him. Through it all he continues to believe his own self-righteousness. He is the ruination of this site.

I don't think there's anything wrong with calling for civility. If you believe there's a bully, then who's the victim? I think there's true bullying in this world, is the term being inappropriately used to evoke emotion? If you believe there is incivility, then it's my opinion that it is hypocritical to selectively ignore or tacitly approve of other perceived incivilities.

I'd also have the opinion that keith hasn't demanded anyone walk in lockstep with him. When passions rise, it looks to me like he's demanding factual support for an opposing position, and he doesn't seem to equate emotional quips with adequate factual support. I'm not saying anyone is obligated to interact, but they do, eh?

Do you have a viable solution to the problem raised....common ground? It doesn't matter one bit to me, but if it matters to you, I haven't cleared my opinions with keith.

Thank you craigd. Prepare to be flamed for telling the truth.

Here's an example of self-righteous behavior from the supporter of anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, rocky mtn bill. So he says I am ALWAYS the one to initiate a fight, and that I am the one who goads others into serving me the type of bullshit he serves. Well, here's an example of rocky mtn bill's usual dishonesty and hypocrisy:

A Rocky Mtn Bill Republican Bashing Thread

Billy has a long history of engaging in his own rude insults and name-calling in his never ending quest to provide support for anti-gun Democrats. According to him, every Republican or Conservative is ignorant, stupid, willfully blind, dumb, and a lot of other adjectives he uses to denigrate others. None of us can think, and we all need to have Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, or the National Enquirer do our thinking. You see, according to guys like rocky mtn bill, King Brown, and Mustela frenata, civility is something that only they can define.

I think it was just yesterday that craigd called out rocky mtn bill about his past flame-throwing and name calling. But in Billy's puny mind, he really thinks he can get away with his bullshit.

Factually Bill, the topic could be pretty much anything and out of the blue you'll insert an anti NRA, climate change, or anti President Trump comment that wasn't part of discussion. Your whole comment above seems to be about playing the victim, which predictably you'll switch on and off depending how you think it will play out, right?

My point, and it's true, is that I didn't start this ongoing feud.I didn't come on this site to call people lib- tards. I'd never seen the term before. All it took for the onslaught to begin was for me to post an opinion that differed from James' or Keith's or Dave K's. Thinking isn't tolerated by those who possess exclusive access to the truth. Debate isn't valued by those whose minds have ceased to function. PS: I'm glad to see keith bring up my posts from a while back. I don't like to repeat myself, but if keith thinks they're worth revisiting. who am I to complain?

Your posts are worth revisiting Billy. It serves to remind everyone that you are nothing but a dishonest hypocrite who supports anti-gunners. Look at your own words above where you state that those who disagree with you have minds that ceased to function. Look at virtually all of your posts in the main Double Gun Forum Billy. The vast majority are simply more of your support for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats, and insults and name calling directed toward people who, in your opinion, made the grave sin of voting for Donald Trump.

James M and Dave K aren't around Billy. They confronted you, not out of the clear blue sky, but because of the crap you posted here. They didn't call you a Libtard because you showed them some stock work you did. You brought your anti-gun Liberal Socialist politics and support to a firearms enthusiasts forum, and expected a warm reception???

Really, are you that dumb??? I happen to think it is foolish to embrace you and welcome you into some Big Tent or Fraternity of gun owners, when you openly criticize the NRA and support those who work to eliminate our gun rights.

Note that I did not demand craigd or anyone should agree with me. craigd understands that I am not trying to control his mind. Some here with weak minds feel threatened and bullied. We should give them a tissue for their tears. But I want everyone to understand that I believe it isn't a good idea to bring termites into your house, and it isn't smart to embrace or accept those who are stabbing them in the back by supporting anti-gunners. You are no friend to us Billy.

In all your victimhood, you've never lost your sense of humor. Believe me, I've tried, but I have to ask, when you walk on water, do your feet get wet? Now what I have found works best for me is when the water is a quarter inch deep or less, but I can sort of tell what's going on. So, I have one of the kids stand way off and if they can get a little video from a low enough angle, it looks like I'm walking on water. I can even wave my hands around, it's really neat. Oh, ah, umm, and climate change is an existential threat.

It's also entertaining that you claim to have never seen a term before. You seem to use that strategy routinely when you're asked about something that you feel like ignoring. How many truths are there?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymea...operty-n2552102


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Marner still isn�t signed.

lonesome, anyone who doesn't take a moment to click on that link is really missing out on a golden opportunity to understand the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the Liberal Left Democrats.

This should be required reading in our schools and colleges.

Thank you, and please don't feel bullied by this.

Shoot

Twelve years on Martha�s Vineyard or a lifetime in South Side...
Wouldn�t have to think about that too long.


___________________________
Sweet Home, Chicago!
https://youtu.be/-_KkgPRo4wA

No kidding eh? South Side of Oahu is looking pretty darn good.

Last I remember, the south side of Oahu looked a bit like most of chicago. The north shore of Oahu, that's a bit different.

Sure. Right up until either of you don't like what cited "factual support" means for your position and then it becomes an "opinion piece" right?

For a guy who isn't "clearing" your opinions with princess, your last few posts sure look like your seeking tacit approval. Wouldn't worry though, I'm pretty confident your position as backup catcher is secure.

One of those questions you keep avoiding like HIV is why... with all of the incontrovertible proof you claim to have of Trump's collusion with Russia to throw the election.,... why didn't an ex-FBI Director like Mueller find it and indict him?

And why haven't you given your PROOF to someone who could do something, like Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer, so they could impeach him?

You won't answer those questions because you know the opinions in your links are nothing but agenda driven bullshit from sour-grapes Liberal Left Democrats.

And you also won't go anywhere close to the fact that Obama kissed Putin's ass and let him have his way with the Ukraine, Crimea, and Syria.

But Mustela fenata always argued that is was good to have dishonest people like you around to debate. He thought we might change you. Only problem is, guys and girls like you, Stevie, and King run like sissies from anything that exposes the weakness, fallacy, or dishonesty of your positions.

OK, time for you to run, twist, or deflect again. Do you ever wish you weren't such a cowardly pussy?

I see you finally stopped running from the question I have been asking you for years. It is now clear you are the Catcher and Frank is the Pitcher.



Now the question is, Do you call frAnk Daddy when you tell him how much of a man he is?


I took a page out of your play book this weekend Billie and started a file with some of your gems that you posted. Do not worry, even if Dave deletes this thread your words will follow you.

Hey, there's that word again, catcher. It's one of nca's favorites. Did you folks grow up playing a little baseball, or was it something else?

I have never enjoyed team sports and prefer spending time outside in nature.

Do you think Billie calls FrAnk Daddy?

Speaking of catchers . . . long before the in thing turned into wearing a baseball cap backwards, the only people who did were catchers. First time I saw that, I wanted to stop the guy and ask him who he caught for.

And I was only thinking of Yogi Berra.

Repulsive....

Indeed but it is not my place to judge the relationship those two have. I did notice this did not bother you in the least. Apparently Craig's selective outrage is contagious.





Now back to the question at hand, Does Billie call frAnk Daddy when he tells him how much of man frAnk is?

I like to think about it as selective honesty. After all, isn't it a bit clearer the caution one might exercise when assuming someone's a friend of gun rights when they haven't shown their selective outrage? Yup, you're right, I'm just kidding, we knew who he was all along, eh, it's just a matter of selectively admitting it.

That was quite clear from the beginning.




Yes but now that Billie is out of the closet we can appreciate her for the gal she is.

If only I had actually used the word "collusion." I don't believe you will find that in any of my posts and I challenge you to reproduce one post where I used the word "collusion"

A foreign adversary influenced our election and it benefited Trump. As a result he changed the GOP platform with respect to Ukraine in Russia's favor, worked to relax sanctions on Russia, denied that they helped him and has sided with Putin over our intelligence agencies and allies since he was elected. Lets not forget the obstruction and lies that his sycophants did to protect him. Might not be collusion to Mueller, but that hasn't stopped you from being dishonest and spinning what I write to something you know is false.

You are looking yourself in the mirror when you call me a cowardly pussy.

Now why don't you run along and go talk up your boy toy jOe.

You idiOt comrade.

As idiotic as their politics are it would just go to figure they was queered in the heAd too...

Keith you done fried this girls egg.....

Nothing worse than being queered and on drugs....

It is not my place to judge you and Billie and what you two do behind closed doors.

But does he call you Daddy FrAnk?

This may be my favorite sentence ever written on this board.

Keith isn't 1/10 the women you are Stephen.

Hay girl....

I always knew you were queer as a three dollar bill but I am not your type. I am far too selective.


Does Billie call you Daddy frAnk?

Hay girl....

Wow! This is a keeper...

Stevie came out of the closet once several months back in a deleted post in the FOR SALE section, and now she is coming out again.

So who is your type Stevie... nca225, Shortshells, Manito, Bob Trash, or all of the above?

I see you were upset about my little example of what your pal Mustela frenata calls "Rules of Engagement" I did that to drive home the point that he was clearly referring to me as a weasel, something he categorically denied. He said I took his bait, and saw something that wasn't there. Here it is again.



Nowhere in that example did I call you a queer or faggot. But really, I don't have to when you make posts like the one I QUOTED from you above. However, you and Mustela spent a good part of two days claiming that I posted something that clearly wasn't there in any way, shape or form. When I repeatedly asked you to point out specifically where you saw your highly edited words, you ran away like the LYING coward you are.

As far as you telling jOe that you are "far too selective" in your choice of three dollar bill types... well maybe you should lower your standards since you have chosen to go through life looking like an ugly girl. Bob Trash would probably like to do an upgrade on you. But nca225 sees the world in a very distorted way, so no doubt he/she thinks you are pretty.

Isn�t It nice to see your man come to your defense princess? You should treat him real nice tonight and take a laxative. He is after all, use to goats.

I don't know if you specifically used the word "collusion" Nancy-boy. And I don't have time right now to sift through all of the bullshit you post here. But I have also challenged you to show us where I or anyone else cast a vote for Donald Trump because of Russian influence.

I voted for Donald Trump because of Liberal Left Democrat influence. I did not want any further infringements upon the 2nd Amendment, and I was tired of seeing our country spiral downward economically under Democrats. I did not want to see the U.S. go down the same path as Venezuela. I did not want to be in a Godless society where it is OK to kill innocent babies up to, and even after birth, and to sell their body parts. I did not wish to see more of my labor and earnings taxed to redistribute to illegals and those who are too lazy to work. I did not want to see Trade Deals that resulted in massive unsustainable trade deficits, or wish to see jobs and energy production going to China and other countries.

Some of the toughest sanctions in years have fallen on Russia�s elite under the Trump administration. Sanctions imposed over Russia�s invasion of Crimea in 2014 have not been lifted, Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine � something Barack Obama did not do � and he has ordered missiles fired at Syrian military sites, openly targeting strategic operations and allies of Russia. But perhaps none of those sanctions against Russia and Putin over the Ukraine and Crimea would be necessary, if only Barack Hussein Obama had not rolled over like a whipped puppy, and allowed Putin to have his way.



And you will not ever say anything about lies and obstruction concerning Hillary Clinton's illegal e-mail server, deleting over 30,000 e-mails which had been subpoenaed by Congress, smashing Blackberries, and permanently deleting files using the Bleach-Bit program. If you could just take your head out of your ass for a few minutes, you could see that we are much better off under Trump. And I'll repeat my observation that... If Putin did anything at all to keep Hillary from becoming President, then he deserves the Medal of Freedom.

Unfortunately, you can't show us where he changed one single vote. But Hillary scared millions of Democrats and Independents into voting for our pro 2nd Amendment President Donald Trump.

Can you tell us who things were better for during slavery Billie?

And do you call frAnk Daddy?

Obviously idiot, things have always been better for slave owners than their slaves. What a stupid question.

And why on earth would I call anyone Daddy? My Dad passed away. I called my father Daddy when I was a little boy. Later, I just called him Dad. I call jOe, "jOe" and I call you Stevie, or Fairy Gunsmith. Got it? I answered your question, so now you can try answering my questions. Or you can run like a coward.

Love your free advertising campaign. I still can't imagine why King felt I was cheating Dave Weber, yet he says nothing about your blatant advertising of your businesses here. Do you send Dave $12.00 for every gunsmithing or gun import job you get from your advertising here?

None of this banter changes the "coming out of the closet" post you made this morning where you said that jOe wasn't your type. And it doesn't change the fact that you are a coward who twists and dances away from your many LIES.

Try to stay hydrated Stevie. You sensitive babies who feel bullied all the time lose a lot of water when you cry buckets of tears. nca225 needs extra water because he has been crying for two solid years over his anti-gun Democrat losing the election.

Keith, I have to wonder why you think that calling someone gay, or queer constitutes a criticism. You've invested a lot of space in this ploy. What is it you think makes this a point? All these folks are mainstream now. That upsets you, but it only shows how out of step with reality you are. To be so sensitive about it casts some doubt on your own orientation.

More of your LIES....that is why you are known as LYING kEITH.....that is all you do.



Only tears of laughter here Billie....tell us what a man frAnk is.

To be clear Billy, I go with what the Bible says about the perversion. It is an abomination. It is sick. It is unnatural for people to take themselves out of the gene pool and mate with their own sex. It is your Liberal Left who worked relentlessly to mainstream a perversion. No surprise there. I'm not out of step. I'm simply not into making wrong right and up down.

Now that it is cleared up for you, you can go back to bashing Trump and the NRA, and openly supporting the Liberal Left Democrats who infringe upon our Constitutional Gun Rights.

And oh, if there is a small trace of honesty and fairness in you, then I expect we will immediately see you ask Stevie the same question. Or didn't you notice his repeated attempts deflect by trying to transfer his apparent sexual orientation onto me and jOe?

Billie in Pulaski,
Enough with the self loathing already, just embrace who you really are. Best,
Steve

Stevie in Cowardville... still running away from his LIES.

This makes me smile. Thanks for that Billie.

In this same thread Stevie, I also said that Miller is a good man. Do you want to take your stupidity even further by suggesting that Miller and I are involved in a perverted relationship?

Has rocky mtn bill admonished you about this behavior yet? I didn't think so.

You make me smile too Stevie... it is great watching you twist, deflect, and run like a sissy away from questions. So you must really be afraid of that question about your continual free advertising campaign you are running for your business??? Do you send Dave $12.00 for every gunsmithing or gun import job you get from your advertising here? And King is obviously just as afraid to explain why your advertising isn't cheating Dave, but my tagline with a link to the NRA Political Victory Fund was cheating Dave. That is so confusing. Must be part of those Libtard "Rules of Engagement" where you can be totally dishonest and hypocritical in your actions.

This question isn't going to go away. I'm hoping that it makes you like me.

By the way, business must be very good... since you again have so much time to keep posting stupidity and lies, and to keep checking in to read threads.

Thank goodness things were better for British gunmakers, eh? I wonder what that market would�ve been like if there weren�t a bunch of extra folks around that were handy at balancing luggage on their heads. What would you be recreating these days, Stevens favorites, with tales of legendary rabbit hunts?

craigd, Stevie is just swamped with business, and doesn't have time to tell the truth.

Another call for the good old days Craig?

Some guys like Steven's Favorites and rabbit hunting....who am I to judge?

Do not forget that your post count is growing at slightly over twice the rate of mine.....

Billie has plenty of time to post LIES.



Tears of laughter

I'm sure the Lord, and your church, is quite proud of your work here Keith. You should read some of your posts to the congregation, so they can get a real sense of the man you are.

Gee, I didn't see craigd making any calls for a return to the good old days.

All I see is a fairy gunsmith who is so swamped with work, that he has all damn day to spend here, twisting, deflecting, posting LIES, bullshit, and stupidity. When he isn't posting, he is repeatedly checking posts and going back through this thread desperately searching for something to have an excuse for his cowardice and inability to honestly answer some questions. Pathetic on so many levels.

Naw, isn�t it obvious, just another call for honesty. While many of us may have items from the good ole days, you�re exploiting them for profit. You judge, no, and executioner too, maybe eh? Who�s your daddy now?

That seems about right. I'm not working today, and have been off for the past few days for the Holiday, while you claim that you are just swamped with work because of how you bravely confront jOe and I. No wonder you need to farm out so much work. Wouldn't your waiting customers be better of just eliminating the middle-man who does all of this free advertising here?

Also, you are responding mainly to me and craigd, while I am responding to you, nca225, Mustela, and rocky mtn bill. It is only natural that I would have a greater number of posts.

dals ridiculous post above is hardly worth responding to, since he is back to his one-way hypocrite vision.

I think we may be experiencing more of your Selective Honesty Craig. Things is, I am just giving Billie a little of what he serves up regularly. Seems to be a bit to much for our Sensitive Desert Flower.

Anything special planned with frAnk today?

Who is frAnk, and whatever gave you the idea that I have anything planned with anybody today, aside from laughing at you cowardly twisting, running, and deflecting. Boy, you sure are doing a good job of teaching me a lesson. Do you think you are making any headway?

But I am kicking around the idea of starting a new thread on the topic of people using this site for free advertising of their businesses, and the morality of sneaky people who do that on a continual basis. Get while the gettin's good Stevie.

Must be pretty hard to run a busy gunsmithing business when you are constantly here, posting, or checking to see if you are getting your feelings hurt. I don't know how you do it Stevie?

Whew, I thought you had lost you way, selective moral compass that is. We think so highly of the great gunmakers, but boy oh boy did they treat the trade workers like slaves. Thank goodness we can recognize the past is the past. Otherwise, we�d be recreating h&r toppers, eh? Oh and , regaling tales of great bunny hunts out in the back pasture, with the ole four-ten. Awe, don�t mind me, I�m being selective again.

frAnk and j0e are one and the same, but you knew that.



Tears of laughter

Oh, OK, but if frAnk is jOe, why don't you call him jOe? Does that make you feel like a man? I think you are going to need a complete sex change and a railroad tank car of testosterone to become a man.

It is good to see gals getting into formerly male dominated business like gunsmithing. Must be another part of Trump making America Great. But spending all day here is no way for a lady to run a business, or to get your customer's guns back on a timely basis. What do you think they would say if they added up all the hours you spend here LYING, twisting, and being a coward... while they wait patiently to get their guns returned?

Or do you even care what they think?

Do you send Dave $12.00 for every gunsmithing or gun import job you get from your continual free advertising here?

I call Frank by his name, just like when I call you William. The reason I do it is simple....it bothers you. That brings me pleasure.

Just as this does:


Tears of laughter.

I have been called Keith ever since I was an infant. But if you really think it bothers me when you call me William, you are mistaken. What bothers me is closet Liberal Left gunsmiths like you, who use false data from anti-gunners to support the lies you told about Gun Registration in New Zealand. Your reaction to being reminded of that brings me pleasure though. Reminding you of your disdain for pro-gun Republicans, and reminding you of how you stood by like a spineless sheep as federal agents illegally photographed your FFL bound ledger books gives me pleasure too. Watching you running away from the question: Do you send Dave $12.00 for every gunsmithing or gun import job you get from your continual free advertising here???... is another thing that gives me pleasure.

These are a few of my favorite things!

Back to your (now admitted to) NZ LIE again? No surprise there. That is why we call you LYING keith. Keep LYING my little Desert Flower.



Tears of laughter

Surely you will be able to show us exactly where I ever admitted to such a thing, right Stevie?

No, this will be another LIE that you will repeat over and over without ever having proof... just something else for you to run away from like the dishonest coward you are.

One other thing...Do you send Dave $12.00 for every gunsmithing or gun import job you get from your continual free advertising here?



Is it lunch time all damn day in Colorado Stevie?

My post #552307 shows you clearing twisting my words to mean something completely different from what I wrote. Note your term "essentially the same" Total bull shit and you know it. That is the heart of your LIE which I have pointed out to you several times, "essentially the same" is kind of like Craig's "Selective Honesty". You are a LIAR Billie.


http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post552307

If Dave's wellbeing depended on the Gunsmurfs suck'cess he'd most likely be homeless...

Steve you need help.

I worked through lunch packing guns for shipment. Union rules state I must eat soon. Thanks for asking Billie.

I see you are thinking of Billie again. Keep it clean frAnk.

Nope, no twisting at all in any of my replies to your repeated statement that there was NO GUN REGISTRATION IN NEW ZEALAND at the time of the Christchurch shooting.

And I didn't say that you QUOTED the anti-gunner Philip Alpers or his anti-gun organization. I repeatedly said that you posted a link to a NY Post article, and you used data from within that article that came directly from Philip Alpers and Gunpolicy.org

Glad you posted a link to that thread Stevie. It is just an illustration of how you twist and deflect and try to run away from the truth. Thank heaven it didn't get deleted, or you would be trying to put more words in my mouth, and hide from your own.

You've been here all damn day... reading posts... checking posts... making replies to posts... what a joke.

And I thought you are the owner of your business? I have worked in several Union Shops, but have never once seen or heard of a Union Shop where Management or the Owner is subject to the rules negotiated for hourly employees concerning breaks for lunch.

So what happens if you don't get your lunch break Stevie? Do you file a grievance against yourself? Or do you go on strike against yourself? This should be good.

keith, Because I want you to read and consider my response, I will refrain from insulting and low brow language.

I understand that it fits your narrative of me to claim that I have been crying for the last two years because my liberal left anti gun democrats didn't win the election, but I think you know you are making a false assumption to fit your position.

I have been constant in my attack that it is yours, and other trump voters knowing support of a candidate that is in the bag for russia, because they were helping him win the election. Russia's preference for, and efforts on the behalf of Trump during the campaign is an undeniable fact, confirmed by numerous intelligence agencies and the Mueller report. This was even addressed and made known during the election, where trump denied that it was Russia hacking the DNC during the presidential debates. The issue was front and center when Trump encouraged Russia to find Clinton's emails. A request that the Russian's took seriously and acted on as per the report. Why would Trump make this statement if there was no discussion as to the meddling?

What I have been crying for over the last two years is how Americans can throw their lot in with a foreign adversary over the integrity of our own elections because they see beating the opposing political party as a better outcome because it has short term gains for their party and ideology. That is incredibly disloyal and unpatriotic and if that is the calculus one makes with knowledge of the election meddling, it is also treasonous.

The issue is not if Russia actually influenced your vote. I never have, nor would I suggest that Russia did or could influence your vote. I am 100% confident that you would have voted for Trump, Russia or not. The issue is you and other trump voters did so with knowledge of their interference and that did not cause one moments pause.

That is not slight to me keith, that is a slight to your country, one that has given you liberty and freedom and the ability to choose your government and your representatives. A country whose previous generations sacrificed much to secure and preserve. Siding with a foreign adversary sh!ts on those sacrifices.

I quoted the above because your statement confirms my concern. You openly admit what is important to you and how that trumped the attack on our country. If you don't think that was an attack, Dick Cheney disagrees with you.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-russia-hack-no-question-act-of-war-2017-3

And also, you are correct. Obama was feckless when it came to Russia. I never in that past was complimentary to him on Russia. I think if you search my posts you will find that I think we should have turned Moscow into glass back when they started their adventure into the Ukraine and the Crimea. I'll even happily go a step further. Mitt Romney was right and Obama was wrong 2011 when Romney stated that Russia was the biggest global threat.

To bad all of us didn't listen to him back then. Maybe this would not have happened to us.

Still, even with this knowledge, people put their party and ideology over country. That is what concerns me. Not that I didn't get liberal left anti gun democrats into power.

I bet he calls in sick a lot.





All anyone need to do is read his posts to see he/shes sick In the heAd.

Hey dummy only Russians involved were working for the Clintons.

My tempered response was only limited to my last post jOe.

Please keep posting your one line responses such as the above.

It shows that you are woefully misinformed, as per usual. But if the end all and be all of your life is fu@king a goat, I shouldn't expect much from you.

I'm more of a pork man myself.

Oh, so its pigs then. Whatever gets your rocks off you ol'zoophile you.

keith, Because I want you to read and consider my response, I will refrain from insulting and low brow language.

I understand that it fits your narrative of me to claim that I have been crying for the last two years because my liberal left anti gun democrats didn't win the election, but I think you know you are making a false assumption to fit your position.�

I have been constant in my attack that it is yours, and other trump voters knowing support of a candidate that is in the bag for russia, because they were helping him win the election. Russia's preference for, and efforts on the behalf of Trump during the campaign is an undeniable fact, confirmed by numerous intelligence agencies and the Mueller report. This was even addressed and made known during the election, where trump denied that it was Russia hacking the DNC during the presidential debates. The issue was front and center when Trump encouraged Russia to find Clinton's emails. A request that the Russian's took seriously and acted on as per the report. Why would Trump make this statement if there was no discussion as to the meddling?

What I have been crying for over the last two years is how Americans can throw their lot in with a foreign adversary over the integrity of our own elections because they see beating the opposing political party as a better outcome because it has short term gains for their party and ideology. That is incredibly disloyal and unpatriotic and if that is the calculus one makes with knowledge of the election meddling, it is also treasonous.

The issue is not if Russia actually influenced your vote. I never have, nor would I suggest that Russia did or could influence your vote. I am 100% confident that you would have voted for Trump, Russia or not. The issue is you and other trump voters did so with knowledge of their interference and that did not cause one moments pause.�

That is not slight to me keith, that is a slight to your country, one that has given you liberty and freedom and the ability to choose your government and your representatives. A country whose previous generations sacrificed much to secure and preserve. Siding with a foreign adversary sh!ts on those sacrifices.�

I quoted the above because your statement confirms my concern. You openly admit what is important to you and how that trumped the attack on our country. If you don't think that was an attack, Dick Cheney disagrees with you.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-russia-hack-no-question-act-of-war-2017-3

And also, you are correct. Obama was feckless when it came to Russia. I never in that past was complimentary to him on Russia. I think if you search my posts you will find that I think we should have turned Moscow into glass back when they started their adventure into the Ukraine and the Crimea. I'll even happily go a step further. Mitt Romney was right and Obama was wrong 2011 when Romney stated that Russia was the biggest global threat.

To bad all of us didn't listen to him back then. Maybe this would not have happened to us.

Still, even with this knowledge, people put their party and ideology over country. That is what concerns me. Not that I didn't get liberal left anti gun democrats into power.


Nice.

My biggest concern is that the donald isn't going to make America as profitable as his casinos.

Actually I hunted this morning, two flushes no shots fired.

Then I bedded a rifle.

Then I packed several guns for return shipment and took them to the PO.

Then I went to town for groceries.

No lunch and I do indeed strike but have very few scabs crossing my picket line.

Today I managed to annoy you all day by highlighting your lies and then there was this gem to smile about



Best,
Steve