Is it legal for me to ship a case of shotgun shells to New York? I would ship by UPS. Going directly to an individual.

Might be best to just sit them on a street corner.

I would contact UPS and check their regulations?

UPS will ship, but NY laws may be a problem, You might be best shipping to the buyers FFL

Tim

I’m not a lawyer, but I play one on the internet...

My take is that, if you are not a NY state resident, you can ship anything that is otherwise legal to ship from your jurisdiction. The onus is on the recipient in NY to comply with his local restrictions for receipt of that shipment. I think NYC has restrictions that don’t apply in the rest of the state.

As part of NY's SAFE Act, most if not all, ammo dealers will not ship directly to an individual in NY.

However, a local FFL dealer charges $10.00 to receive ammo for individuals. Doesn't matter how much or how little, he gets 10 bucks.

Thanks guys will ship to a dealer

Reference the link to Target Sports in the 2nd post.

How on earth would NY know someone received shotguns shells in a UPS delivery?

I wouldn't try to sneak it past UPS as one is treading on Federal regulations regarding shipment of hazardous materials. From UPS's website:

UPS accepts for transportation such ammunition as constitutes "cartridges, small arms," as defined in 49 C.F.R. § 173.59. All other allowable ammunition shipments are accepted only on a contractual basis, and must be prepared under the rules for a fully regulated hazardous material.

Ammunition will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172 (Hazardous Materials), and must be shipped in accordance with the UPS Guide for Shipping Ground and Air Hazardous Materials. To meet the exception for Limited Quantity/ORM-D, ammunition can be shipped via UPS Ground only within the 48 contiguous United States, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu and Intra-Alaska.

To qualify as "Cartridges, small arms ORM-D" or limited quantity, ammunition must be:

Ammunition that does not exceed 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol cartridges or 8 gauge for shotgun shells; or
Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition
How to Package Cartridges, Small Arms
Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, partitioned within a snugly fitting outside box or in metal clips. Cartridges must be properly cushioned and protected from accidental initiation. The inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packaged in securely closed outside packaging that will not open during transit. The package may not exceed 66 lb. (30 kg).

Is a Hazardous Materials Label or Marking Required?
Yes, (until December 31, 2020) packages that meet the definition of Cartridges, small arms must be marked with the proper shipping name "Cartridges, small arms", and designated as "ORM-D". Materials marked "ORM-D" and shipped by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu and Intra-Alaska do not require hazardous material shipping papers. This marking may either be in the form of an ORM-D sticker, or written by hand. If written by hand the letters "ORM-D" must be enclosed by a rectangle that is ¼" larger on each side than the designation "ORM-D". (Note: The image below can be printed, cut out, and securely taped to the box with clear packing tape.)

ORM-D Cartridges, Small Arms
Alternatively, a black and white limited quantity marking (approximately 4 X 4 inches) may be used. (see example).

ORM-D Cartridges, Small Arms
Print the ORM-D or Limited Quantity marking and securely affix to your package. If using the limited quantity marking, please place on package as a "square on point" or "diamond".

Getting the Package to UPS
Cartridges, small arms may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Cartridges, small arms are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer or UPS Access Point™ location.

Domestic Cartridges, small arms shipments that meet the exception for Limited Quantity/ORMD packages and that comply with all UPS requirements for the shipment of ammunition (as set forth above, in the "Shipping Firearms or Ammunition" guidelines, and in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service and the UPS Rate and Service Guide in effect at the time of shipping ("UPS Terms")) may be delivered by UPS to a third party retailer or UPS Access Point™ location in the United States.

Will I Pay An Additional Fee For Shipping Cartridges, Small Arms?
When shipping ORM-Ds or Limited Quantities of hazardous materials by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu or Intra-Alaska, only the standard shipping charges apply. There are no "accessorial" or additional charges.

Important Additional Information

Ammunition may not be packaged with firearms
Ammunition may not be shipped to individuals under the age of 18
Ammunition is not accepted for shipment internationally

For additional information regarding firearm and ammunition shipments, see "Shipping Firearms or Ammunition," at the link below, or contact UPS.

Shipping Firearms or Ammunition


UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions (U.S)
All shipments tendered to UPS for service must meet the terms and conditions of service found in the UPS Terms. For specific information applicable to the shipment of ammunition, please follow the link below, download the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service - United States and go to Section 3.6:

UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service

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Shipping Ammunition
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Fully Regulated Material - Air Service (49 CFR)
Limited Quantity Exception - Air Service (49 CFR HM-215K)
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When the SAFE Act provisions regarding ammunition sales went into effect (Jan 2014),,it was set up so that no one in NYS could sell ammunition w/o having a license from NYS.
The license was issued by the NYSP.

If you were an 01FFL holder in NYS at the time, you were
automaticly issued and sent one of these licenses.
The license is called a 'NYS Seller of Ammunition' License.

(To make it even more confusing,,if you are a person that is in charge of say a rifle club and buys the ammo for that club,,you can apply for a 'NYS Organizational Keeper of Ammunition' license. You can buy and recv it for use by that club and that's it. No resaleor use outside that club/organization.

If you are a Police or Peace Officer and buy it for that organization, you apply for a 'NYS Governmental Keeper of Ammunition' license. Recv and use the ammo for that dept only.)

If you are not an FFL but still wanted to be able to sell ammunition, you could apply for such a license thru a yet different on-line form.
The NYS Seller-of Ammunition license does not expire, but can be revoked.

At the same time (Jan, 2014) the Safe Act put into NYS Law that ALL ammunition sales must go thru a face to face/ in-person transfer with such a licensee.
This includes transfer of Internet purchases.
This is still in effect.

The idea at the time was that the NYSP would have set up a background check system for ammunition sales much like the NICS check for firearms sales.

That NYSP Ammunition Sales Background Check system has still yet to see the light of day in this year of 2020.

But the original wording in the SAFE Act is still in force.
All ammunition sales must be in person thru a NYS State Dealer of Ammunition including internet sales.

So ordering ammo off the net is supposed to be sent to a NYS FFL or someone with a NYS 'Seller of Ammunition' license. Then transfered to you (as a non-licensee)

It's all there in the orig SAFE Act.
Here's a short release from the NYSP at the time letting FFL's and the public (I'm guessing) know about the changes.

Point #2 is the one that lays down the law on in person sales including internet purchases.
The final paragraph makes note that the Background Check system is not up and running at that time (Jan, 2014) But when it is, the Ammo Sellers will be required to use the data base and record all ammo purchases.


https://safeact.ny.gov/sites/default/fil...erintendent.pdf

Thanks guys. Lots of good information. Shipping by UPS and going to an approved FFL.

Bottom line...

The world would be a better place if the ground just opened up and sucked New York and it's Socialist politicians in.

And you with it.

Awww, poor BrentD doesn't like it when anyone says negative things about anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist Democrats.

FUDD's and Libtards like him and rocky mtn bill would rather see Altzheimer Joe Biden win in November, so that we could have New York style anti-gun regulations become the law of the land. So dumb.

New York State-where you have to pay for a permit to look up at the night sky:



Noting the regulations in place for everything and anything, I’m not sure why anyone with a gun would choose to live there.

Best,
Ted

I think Minneapolis will be a lovely place for gun owners once all your new social workers are hired Ted. Best,
Steve

It is going to be an interesting election season, no? Still, there are those who will vote big D as their homes burn to the ground, aware that big D has controlled the place since before they were born.

Others, will not. Minneapolis, has been a shit hole for a long, long time. All that has changed is that now, people like you can see that, from where you are.

Best,
Ted

I have seen some stunning views of the NYC skyline, framed up nicely in the rearview mirror. My wife was just visiting relatives when Democrats were committing property crimes and assaults in Madison, WI. Another must see town on the summer tour of chitholes.

And N.Y. is not one large homogeneous Democratic shin dig. I grew up in Western N.Y., the Fingers region to be more specific, and it votes solidly big R. Many states currently are grappling with the urban/rural divide, Colorado too.

Yep going to be interesting for sure. I know I will mail in my ballot early , I always do.

Steve

Be careful with that. Elections get stolen.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pet...ugh-voter-fraud

I vote in person, on the day of the election.

Best,
Ted

My secret ballot is no secret here. I voted for Trump as the only logical choice to save my country from Socialists and anti-gun Democrats. And I will vote for Trump again. I want to get at least one or two more pro-2nd Amendment Supreme Court Justices seated.

I will also agree with Ted that ballot fraud via mail-in ballots has already been proven, and note that it is only Democrats who think extending and expanding mail-in voting is a great idea.

Stevie, on the other hand, has frequently voiced unflattering and denigrating comments about Donald Trump and other pro-gun Conservatives. And he has even provided false data from the anti-gunner Philip Alpers and Gun Policy.org to support his false claim that there is no gun registration in New Zealand. Stevie may have been raised in a Republican area of western New York, but it isn't hard to see why he fled to Libtardville, Colorado, and that he supports anti-gunners. He will tell us that he voted for Trump, but pay attention to what he does instead of what he claims. He knows that a gunsmith who supports anti-gunners may not be good for business... except from other stupid Democrat gun owners and FUDD's.

We have had some allegations of election fraud here in CO recently but I do not believe it was related to mail in ballots. Interesting who is making the allegations as well as who is being accused, not that I noticed mind you.

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/news/we...f513db079d.html

Anyone who makes a half-hearted effort to follow Trump's descent into total chaos has to see that he's ever more unhinged. If you think God chose him or that Trump's doing anything helpful for our country, then you are either incredibly naive, totally stupid, or hopelessly brainwashed. Four more years of his racist, incompetent, lunacy will kill democracy here. He has no redeeming traits. To all here who side with him, I say get a life. Repeating Trump, Fox, alt right points here only confirms your paranoia. PS: note I didn't start this off-topic issue. I just want to suggest an different view.

Trump may be a jackass, but he was far better than the last alternative, and Is far better than the upcoming alternative. He got my vote, and he will get my vote, but I wish we had better choices. Responsibility for the descent into chaos is squarely in the lap of the opposition.

Actually Bill, I'll give you some credit where a little credit is due. Thanks for the lesson on what happens when folks top out at half hearted.

Me, I think I'll stick with absentee voting, mail in is for dems. Right, Bill?

I do not think that God chose Trump. Trump was elected by voters who were sick of creeping Socialism and Democrat lies. They were sick of a weak Liberal Democrat named Obama who couldn't handle ISIS, screwed up the wars in Iraq and Afgahanistan, told us that a weak economy, low GDP, and chronic high unemployment was the new normal, and kept us in totally insane foreign trade deals and onerous regulations that forced Corporations to move millions of jobs overseas. The only reason that we slowly emerged from the 2008 economic crash (caused by Democrat policies that gave mortgages to people who could never repay them) was that his predecessor handed him a blueprint for the TARP Stimulus before he left office.

Even his signature, one-and-only accomplishment, ObamaCare, left 38 million people uninsured, and caused double digit medical insurance price increases for a sub-standard product.

As is that wasn't bad enough, Obama violated his sworn oath of office by attempting to infringe upon the gun rights of law abiding citizens.

Trump, on the other hand, brought unemployment down to historically low levels for whites, blacks, and other minorities. Only a global coronavirus pandemic was able to temporarily reverse those gains, and Trump is the only one we should trust to fix the damage that has negatively impacted economies all over the world. He re-negotiated foreign trade deals and brought back millions of jobs. He got other NATO countries to pay a more equitable share of the cost of defending them. He finally took on the major problem of unchecked illegal immigration, which affected minorities and lower class people more than anybody.

We don't even hear about ISIS anymore, and the frequent Islamic terrorist threats we faced under Obama are under control as well. The gains in the stock market helped wealthy investors, and they helped the IRA's 401-K's, and pension funds of idiots like rocky mtn bill. Energy costs have fallen considerably, another great thing for the poor and minorities, and everyone else too. Our taxes were reduced, allowing workers to keep more of their earnings. The military has been revitalized after being defunded by Democrats. Trump accomplished this despite relentless attacks from Liberal Democrats who wished to reverse the results of an election... i.e, the greatest election meddling imaginable.

There is so much more to give us reason to re-elect Donald Trump, including two pro-2nd Amendment Justices that he nominated for the Supreme Court.

In spite of that, we will keep seeing this brainless Democrat sock-puppet rocky mtn bill screaming that Trump has done nothing good, and that the sky is falling because of Donald Trump. We will keep seeing him telling us that we should support a senile Socialist Joe Biden, who has promised to infringe upon our Constitutional Gun Rights and to take on the NRA. More proof that you can't fix stupid.

More proof that Liberalism is a mental illness!

The democrats have clearly demonstrated, in Minneapolis and other liberal hell holes, the end result of liberal leadership. Every city that burned in the night has been under liberal leadership for decades.

You own it, bill. The natural end result, which was demonstrated for the entire world to see. It is you, and yours. I say let those cities boil in their own blue oil, and leave them as monuments to the US Democratic Party.

Trump is our glorious bastard, the guy who came out against the uni-party, of insane democrats and spineless republicans who kow-tow to them, content with the millions of dollars they make while in office. The reason the Obama Administration went after General Flynn was the huge dose of sunshine he was threatening to shine on the corrupt administration of the former felon-in-chief.


It is coming. The swamp has been put on notice.

Best,
Ted

Trump hit the nail on the head at Mt.Rushmore...

Even the brainwashed democrats should see it.

Amen to that Ted.

This is why I appreciate progressive comments, sunshine has always been there to some degree or another. Dems use various tactics and endless excuses to push the concept of threat out of sight and out of mind. Since it has been bred out, I wonder if young kids can be conditioned to associate looting and rioting with negative stimulus feedback, just as free illegal drug needles stimulate some positive feedback loop?

There wasn’t any sunshine on the tarmac when the billions in cash went to Iran. There wasn't any sunshine in the room when McCabe told Flynn he “didn’t need a lawyer” during the interview they were having. There wasn’t any sunshine the night ten blocks and 700 businesses burned In Minneapolis, while the democrat leadership was AWOL, and 911 service was offline for 96 hours.
Trust me, Craig, I get the humor in your post, and love the way you paint the stupid into a corner of their own making. But, there are kids who can get the crosshairs aligned on target, know that the teacher who is spouting the familiar buzzwords is full of shit (we go over the buzzwords list after dinner, during homework) but, to just listen to her and not to worry, she won’t be the coach on the skeet league anyway, and kids that still wear a MAGA hat on the way out to the ice cream truck.

One of ‘em lives here. By the way, I tell my kid several times during the school year if he is aware of a teachers political affiliation by way of the classroom, that teacher is an abject failure, and should really be pushing a broom on third shift somewhere.

Best,
Ted

I think that's what we're counting on Ted, but I don't know if it's enough? To me, most of the question has to do with if the majority of future generations will have the tools to discern, not if the target is in plain sight.

If my wife and I knew your boy, I'd bet we'd swing out of our way for a coffee or burger at his hypothetical part time high school job or sat in the stands at a school event. We've done it for many other kids as small shows of support, and yes I make a judgement call for those we don't have time for.

Believe me, it took some serious consideration for my wife to visit family up around Minneapolis and down around the Madison, WI area recently. Significantly, there was a buffer of a little distance, otherwise they would have been clear no-go zones. And, they are two towns that are only on the road to somewhere else, not for real visiting off into the foreseeable future.

I've mentioned before that my kids were aware that the only thing most profs could offer was their part of a transcript, not knowledge. I play the 'craigtard', because the hope that fact and reason work are a long gone memory.