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Posted By: Drew Hause The Gun Crazes - 10/28/20 11:29 PM
July 1, 1883 Sporting Life
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/20547/rec/13
The hammerless gun craze appears to have died out, and the low-hammered gun mania has taken its place.


Hopefully the craze for new fangled fluid steel barrels with follow the same path!!
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/28/20 11:50 PM
And smokeless powder as well. Out! Put! Out!
Posted By: Rocketman Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/30/20 04:49 AM
Good post, Drew. I started to make a smartelliky post about real men using bows and errors and realized that it would make an unduly long past to work my way back to rocks vs bare hands. Considering that bears (the black ones) are becoming increasingly common in this local, I think I'll want to stick with guns.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/30/20 12:55 PM
More on that new fangled steel stuff

K. Paul Trench, Practical Hints on Shooting, 1887
https://books.google.com/books?id=xrwUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA20&vq
There has been a deal of dissension of late as to the material best adapted for shot-gun barrels, some advocating steel, some Damascus, others contending that laminated steel is to be preferred to any other kind of metal; every one, in fact, extolling that which he considered the best. Steel is well known to be lighter than Damascus iron, but in our humble estimation nothing can surpass the genuine English stub Damascus, and for the following reasons: Steel has many drawbacks, not one of the least being the facility with which common iron or base metal may be palmed off as steel. It is not nearly so easy to tell whether barrels are made of genuine metal, as some people are inclined to suppose; and a great number of defects, such as “greys” and soft places, may be hidden under a treacherous coat of black or dark blue.
The greatest objection to steel barrels is, that they are subject to a kind of crystallisation which renders them very dangerous. Whether this fault arises from manufacture, defective metal, or spontaneously from constant use or cold weather is not a matter of great moment; it is sufficient to know that steel, even of the best quality, is prone to this crystallisation, and should consequently be avoided.
When steel barrels burst pieces of the metal are usually blown right away, thereby endangering both the shooter and anyone who may happen to be near him at the time. Such is not the case with Damascus. These generally bulge at the breech-end to a certain degree if over-strained, and are much less liable to fly.
Hence the advantages of Damascus iron over steel are very manifest as regards safety, but the shooting of both is about equal. Of course no conscientious gunmaker would supply a customer with iron barrels under pretense of steel if he knew them to be of iron; but there are, unfortunately, some unscrupulous dealers who have apparently no conscience whatsoever.
Steel at the best is poor material for shot-gun barrels when compared with Damascus Iron.

William Wellington Greener, Modern Shotguns, 1888
https://books.google.com/books?id=jMhMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA31&vq
The best solid steel barrels are the “fluid compressed steel” tubes manufactured by Sir Joseph Whitworth's Company. They are very expensive, of uniform good quality, and although they are not, in the author's opinion, equal to best twist barrels, he is very pleased to use them at the request of any sports man requiring them.
Siemens' steel and several other varieties drilled from the solid drawn into tubes in the rolling mill, are offered at a less price than the Whitworth barrels, and are often inferior in quality.
The steel barrel of same weight and size as one of best Damascus or other hand-forged barrel of best material will burst with a less strain, but as to what pressure each will bear has not yet been accurately ascertained; but although a best steel barrel may be broken or burst with a charge of 21 1/4 drams, it will require 23 drams to burst a Twist barrel of the same weight and proportions.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/30/20 01:16 PM
Letter to the editor 1817 regarding the infernal percussion cap!!

Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/30/20 11:45 PM
I always enjoy reading that letter, Drew.

SRH
Posted By: Joe Wood Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 12:11 AM
Hear, hear! I totally agree with the above scholarly observations. Add to that some gentlemen claim the earth is round! Hogwash! Any thinking person can see with his own eyes that it is flat! I have personally journeyed to the far corners of God’s creation and can flatly state I have never found myself upside down! Beware of these gentlemen who claim to be enlightened! Dastardly demons such as these easily lead the poor and ignorant astray.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 04:27 PM
And break actions are not waterproof!! Water gets in the hinge and wets the powder!!
https://books.google.com/books?id=vtk3AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA132&lpg
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 05:19 PM
Those paper shells with never replace brass!
Forest & Stream, January 14, 1875
https://books.google.com/books?id=EjUaF7Y1k90C&pg=RA2-PA362&lpg
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 05:45 PM
And steel is entirely unsuitable for gun barrels!

The Amateur Sportsman, “Gun Barrels Past and Present”, April, 1911
https://books.google.com/books?id=m5kXAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA5-PA12&lpg
James D. Dongall, 59 St. James St., London, wrote the following:
Shooting: Its Appliances; Practice; and Purpose, 1875
https://books.google.com/books?id=-ToCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg
“No barrel of steel, pure and simple, thin enough for a fowling piece could be made unless at such an expense as would be absurd, and then would be unsafe. Pure steel barrels, being chrystalline, once strained, lose all of their safety at that part. Their molecular structure has become quite changed and been irreparably injured, so that final bursting is only a question of time.”


“Metal for Gun Barrels”, D. Kirkwood, Boston
(In 1874 Henry & David Kirkwood started the Mortimer & Kirkwood shop in Boston, Massachusetts. In 1881 the partnership was dissolved, and the name of the business was changed to David Kirkwood, Gun and Rifle Maker.)
Forest & Stream, January 14, 1875
https://books.google.com/books?id=EjUaF7Y1k90C&pg=RA2-PA362&lpg
“In the question of steel vs. iron in gun barrels, I would contend that…steel is unsuitable, from its greater liability to friction, its inability to stand severe or sudden strain during a low temperature, and it would be nearly impossible to expect steel to be worked up into the highly figured barrel now used, as is the case with iron, without disintegrating or disturbing the molecular aggregation of its particles. The numerous operations which it has to undergo, and at a high heat rob it of the very carbonization which constitutes its main feature…”

Replies, February 4, 1875
https://books.google.com/books?id=EjUaF7Y1k90C&pg=RA2-PA411&lpg
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 07:30 PM
Ported "Perforated" barrels
https://books.google.com/books?id=3HMCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA500&vq

Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 10/31/20 08:13 PM
Frank Forester (Henry William Herbert), Complete Manual for Young Sportsmen: with directions for handling the gun, the rifle, and the rod; the art of shooting on the wing; the breaking, management, and hunting of the dog; the varieties and habits of game; river, lake, and sea fishing, etc., 1856
https://books.google.com/books?id=TtZIAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA54&vq
If it be admitted that the modern stub-iron is inferior in toughness to the old horse-nail stuff—which, however, I cannot hold to be sufficiently proved—I still consider it, when of the best quality, to be of superior tenacity, and consequently a safer metal…
I am aware that this opinion of mine is diametrically opposed to that of the advocates of the steel barrels, and that tables and scales of tenacity and endurance, as proved by experiment, have been published, leading to a different conclusion; but it is well known that great changes take place in the crystallization of metals and the arrangement of their component particles, long after they have become perfectly cool, and indeed long after they have been in use, which, according to one theory, causes these changes. These changes, it is admitted, when they occur, render the metal vastly more brittle than it was in the first form, and consequently dangerous.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 11/04/20 10:33 PM
The Dead Shot, Or Sportsman's Complete Guide; Being a Treatise on the Use of the Gun, with Rudimentary and Finishing Lessons in the Art of Shooting Game, 1860
https://books.google.com/books?id=SppcAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA191
“Use a muzzle-loader; which, for pigeon shooting, is infinitely superior to a breech-loader.”
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 11/07/20 08:22 PM
Cashmore's "Long Cone" will never catch on

The Argus (Melbourne) January 8, 1889 Supplement
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/6216763/285595



George Teasdale Teasdale-Buckell, Experts on Guns and Shooting, 1900
https://archive.org/details/expertsongunsan00buckgoog/page/n302/mode/2up
"...the modern and approved method of chambering guns was to graduate the chambers into the barrels in a very long cone."

shocked


Posted By: Drew Hause Re: The Hammerless Gun Craze - 11/09/20 09:19 PM
A 26" barrel 5 1/4# 12g is just too weird to last. How much did Churchill's XXVs weigh? wink

Sporting Life July 12, 1890
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/50090/rec/29
“Oswald von Lengerke and His Wonderful Work With a Gun”
Oswald von Lengerke is one of the famous brothers of the shooting family of that name. There are six of them Fred, Justus, Herman Oswald, George and Karl. With the exception of George, all are excellent shots. George's tastes are for athletics. As the others are masters in their choice of pastimes, so George is master of his. He is an athlete all through and all over.



Oswald is some 5ft. 7in. in height, is broad shouldered, and within the last few years has become stout, weighing some 160 pounds. The exercise he takes makes his flesh as hard as iron. At the traps his position is a sound one. He throws the left foot forward, bending at the knee considerably. The right foot is thrown backward, bearing but little weight. His gaze becomes fixed when he is at the score. As he says “pull” the jaws come together with a snap, the teeth close like a vise, and its ten to one when the shot is made that it is a successful one. He is good at either inanimate targets or live birds. His best score at the former is 97 out of 100, shooting at 80 single and ten pairs; at the latter 33 killed out of 35 shot at. This was in a match with Charles Heath, of Newark, for $200 a side, shooting Heath out on the thirty-fifth bird.
He has also killed as many English snipe on the Hackensack and Newark meadows in New Jersey as any man of his age living. Were it not for the cares of a busy life he would seldom be seen without a gun in his hand. It is not a hobby with him; it is an absorbing passion.
His favorite weapon is a hammerless breechloader, 5 1/4 pounds in weight, 25 inches in length of barrel, 12 gauge. Oswald is a firm believer in the light gun, especially for field work.

Von Lengerke & Detmold were general gun dealers, and imported and marketed Francottes.
See Stand 77 at the first annual Sportsmen's Exposition opened in Madison Square Garden, New York, May 13 – 19, 1895
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/47863


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