Can any of you Frenchies add info to this Arquebusier J. Brunet >>Fermeture Aiglon C.T.L<< ??





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https://www.ggranger.com/latelier/la-fermeture-aiglon/


https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/brevete-sgdg-16ga-id.540225/page-2#post-4609211

I'll work on getting the image up proper.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Possible the >>Fermeture Aiglon C.T.L.<< is the „Fermeture Stephanose“???

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Arquebusier J. Brunet à Chartres actually appears to have been a fabrikant as his name is on the toplever & on the aft lug?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Salut ellenbr,

Coeur-Tyrode aimé Armurier à Saint-Etienne

Il fonde son atelier en 1902, 66 cours Fauriel. Il dépose un brevet en 1912 sous le n° 439.323 pour une «nouvelle fermeture à quadruple verrou pour fusils de chasse». Cœur-Tyrode, dépose la marque «Fermeture Aiglon»> entourant CTL entre deux étoiles, surmonté d'un aigle, le 4 avril 1912. Cette marque est renouvellée au nom d'Aimé Cœur le 13 mai 1927. En 1925, Coeur Tyrode est membre de la Chambre syndicale des fabricants d'armes de Saint-Etienne. Henri Guichard prend sa suite en 1934 usqu'en 1967. II obtient une médaille d'or à l'Exposition de Paris en 1937. En 1967, son apprentis puis compagnon, Georges Granger, lui succède jusqu'en 1993. Georges Granger est successivement Meilleur ouvrier de France en 1968, Maitre-Artisan en 1978 et lauréat des Métiers d'Art en 1979. Richard Lévy, lui aussi apprentis puis compagnon de Georges Granger lui succède à son tour en 1993. L'atelier existe toujours à la même adresse.

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La marque ci-dessus, qu'on retrouve sur les canons de cette arme, a été déposée par Jean Breuil en 1922.
Je pense que le fusil est un Cœur-Tyrode fabriqué dans la période 1922 / 1930.
Pour plus de précisions, il faudrait contacter l'atelier de Richard Lévy.

Many thanks fab500.




Serbus,

Raimey
rse

For now, I didn't take the time to translate it but took the easy path of Google Translate:

>>He founded his workshop in 1902, 66 cours Fauriel. He filed a patent in 1912 under the n ° 439,323 for a "new quadruple lock for hunting rifles". Coeur-Tyrode, deposited the mark "Fermeture Aiglon"> surrounding CTL between two stars, surmounted by an eagle, April 4, 1912. This mark was renewed in the name of Aimé Cœur on May 13, 1927. In 1925, Coeur Tyrode was established. member of the Union Chamber of Arms Manufacturers of Saint-Etienne. Henri Guichard took over in 1934 until 1967. He was awarded a gold medal at the Paris Exhibition in 1937. In 1967, his apprentice then companion, Georges Granger, succeeded him until 1993. Georges Granger was successively Meilleur Ouvrier de France in 1968, Master-Craftsman in 1978 and winner of the Métiers d'Art in 1979. Richard Lévy, also apprentice then companion of Georges Granger succeeded him in turn in 1993. The workshop still exists at the same address .<<

I still wish to see a better pic of the rectangular / square crossbar in the standing breech & for now I do wonder how it was placed?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Via Google Translate:


Le Solidbloc

>>The above mark, which can be found on the barrels of this weapon, was deposited by Jean Breuil in 1922.
I think the rifle is a Heart-Tyrode made in the period 1922/1930.
For more details, contact Richard Lévy's workshop.<<


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

fabt500:


Did the >>Fermeture Aiglon C.T.L<< see extensive use, or rather is it something seldom seen on wares by the craftsmen @ St. Etienne?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

fab500:

What about information on Arquebusier J. Brunet à Chartres, what part might he have played?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

A ma connaissance, seul Cœur-Tyrode et ses successeurs ont utilisé ce type de verrouillage.
On peut estimer leur production à moins de 8000 pièces.
Si d'autres artisans ont utilisé ce type de verrouillage, leur nombre dit être infime, voire inexistant.

D'après le "Qui est qui" de l'arme de France, en France, l'entreprise J. Brunet a exercé de 1924 à 1977.
Pour moi, c'était un donneur d'ordres. Il faisait fabriquer des fusils et les vendait avec son nom.

fab500:

Amazing & informative. So would 8000 pièces be considered high, low or medium production for a compagnie in Saint-Étienne?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Fab 500 I just read your comments and it correct. Your info comes from Maurice Forrissier's book "l'armurerie de St Etienne au 20 ieme siècle page 117. Estimated production is my opinion also close to reality. Raimey Chartres is an other region and not so close with St Etienne. French is my second language; so it is not difficult for me.
Cheers, Marc.

Out in Africa and am not checking the mail that regularly. So I opened this French tread this evening and found Raimey's question is solved. FAB500 and Gettemans have done the job! Excellent work. Gene

Argo44:

Are you going to experience a warm Christmas?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Warm and sandy

[quote=ellenbr]For now, I didn't take the time to translate it but took the easy path of Google Translate:

>>He founded his workshop in 1902, 66 cours Fauriel. He filed a patent in 1912 under the n ° 439,323 for a "new quadruple lock for hunting rifles". Coeur-Tyrode, deposited the mark "Fermeture Aiglon"> surrounding CTL between two stars, surmounted by an eagle, April 4, 1912. This mark was renewed in the name of Aimé Cœur on May 13, 1927. In 1925, Coeur Tyrode was established. member of the Union Chamber of Arms Manufacturers of Saint-Etienne. Henri Guichard took over in 1934 until 1967. He was awarded a gold medal at the Paris Exhibition in 1937. In 1967, his apprentice then companion, Georges Granger, succeeded him until 1993. Georges Granger was successively Meilleur Ouvrier de France in 1968, Master-Craftsman in 1978 and winner of the Métiers d'Art in 1979. Richard Lévy, also apprentice then companion of Georges Granger succeeded him in turn in 1993. The workshop still exists at the same address .<<

I still wish to see a better pic of the rectangular / square crossbar in the standing breech & for now I do wonder how it was placed?

Serbus,

Raimey




Placer les deux verrous n°1 et n°3 dans la bascule. Enfiler la broche n°2 par le dessous de la bascule ; la tête de clé n°4 viendra s'emboîter sur cette broche. La vis n°5 bloquera l'ensemble.

En espérant avoir bien compris le sens de ton interrogation.

merci beaucoup fab500 for all your efforts. I really do appreciate it. This is a totally new fermeture/lockup for me akin to the Greener / Purdey Nose / „Fermeture Liègeoise“ - >>Galand Nose<< and is most fascinating. Yes indeed you understood my question and there was another facet to it, which is a picture from the custodian of the longarm with the >>Fermeture Aiglon<< to see the top rib extension on the breech. And I will pair it to your explanation.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Just to give an idea of the quality of Granger guns using the aiglon system: I have a 1998 price list courtesy of JJ Perodeau, at that time with Champlin Arms in Enid, OK. (He's on his own now, but I believe still does some gunsmithing for Champlin.)

The Granger sidelocks are basically French "bests". The basic gun sold for $30,000 back then.

Most interesting. And the Anson & Deeley Body Action Boxlocks compares with????

Serbus,

Raimey
rse