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Posted By: topgun Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 02:59 AM
A seller has a rare set of Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels listed for sale on eBay if anyone is interested; serial number 5001XX 32" with 3.5" chamber stamp marked Field Grade. I'm assuming these are 10-bore since the chambers are 3.5", but I believe the seller has them listed as 12 gauge.
Posted By: graybeardtmm3 Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 03:13 AM
i have messaged the seller and they tell me the barrels are 12 ga....if you notice the 3 1/2' chambers marking is not a factory mark....i don't believe.

best regards,

tom
Posted By: skeettx Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 03:23 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354009763129?hash=item526ca04d39:g:VBcAAOSwMBZiWLi4
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 01:47 PM
Factory 10 were not marked on this example. This is a NID, not exactly the same. But I do not doubt a 12 barrel has enough strength to pass proof for 3 1/2" chambers. Those were stout barrels, cannon like.
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But this is a true NID 10 Mag. and it does have the markings.
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And the EBay barrels in question. I would ask the seller to drop a shell into the barrels or measure the chambers.
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Posted By: KY Jon Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 02:06 PM
The F does denote a Field grade, where the 3 on the other denotes a grade 3 gun. For years the Supers attracted little attention but they seem to have acquired a real following these day and bring premium prices. Wonder where the rest of that gun ended up? Most times barrels go first, or perhaps these did and this is why they are orphans.

I regret not buying a couple given the chance over the years. I saw one ten with an extra set of 12 gauge barrels but they were not factory and the barrel fit was a bit off. I am sure if you have asked Ithaca would have built you a ten/twelve combo for the right price. The depression years saw makers doing a lot of things for people who wanted to buy their best guns.
Posted By: Daryl Hallquist Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 02:10 PM
A few years ago, I saw one of the 500,000 NID magnum series 12 gauges. It was stamped 2 3/4", unlike any others in that serial range that I have seen. As I recall, it was a Grade 7.
Posted By: graybeardtmm3 Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 04:03 PM
KY Jon suggests asking the seller to try a 10 gauge shell, or provide measurements.

i have already done so....and was told that a 12 gauge shell was a "perfect fit"....obviously there was no such animal as a 3 1/2" 12 gauge during the era in which the barrels were made. but, as jon states, these guns were built quite heavily and likely would be usable with appropriate 3" loads. marked 4 + 4, so full choked....if they haven't been altered.

best regards,
tom
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 04:21 PM
I've seen magnum-frame 12-gauges with both "3 Chamber" and "2 3/4 Chamber" markings serial numbered in the normal magnum 500xxx range and ones marked "2 3/4 Chamber" with regular NID serial numbers --

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Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 04:55 PM
What some feel is a "perfect fit" is a gauge off for others. I would be more comfortable if this seller would try a 10 gauge shell in the chamber. It could also be a chamber sleeved ten gauge with a 12 gauge sleeve.
Posted By: 775 Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 05:14 PM
Researcher,

12ga 2 3/4" with 500 range serial numbers?

I know to never say "never" but that would be a flyer, no?

Would be rare enough to find a 3" 500?
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 05:25 PM
Please note the Crown over D mark of Cannons Delcour on Researcher's gun; additional confirmation as to the source of the tubes used by U.S. doublegun makers

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The mark has been found on Smith (“Crown Steel”), Fox, Meriden/Sears, Baker (“Homotensile Steel”), Ithaca NID (“Best Fluid Steel”) and Lefever Nitro Special & A-grade barrels
Posted By: GLS Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 06:45 PM
Researcher most likely has this info on the tip of his fingers, but best I recall Ithaca made 877(?) magnum NID's with 87(?) in 12 ga. with the balance in 3.5" 10 gauges. My magnum 10 was made in 1938. In an earlier thread there was commentary that some of the 12 ga.guns now have ringed" chokes from large shot bridging at the chokes.
Gil
Posted By: 775 Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 07:21 PM
I just thought the few 12ga 500 series were 3".....I stupidly left Walt's book in the gun library when I quit Hoffman Estates......so open to enlightenment:)
Posted By: Walter C. Snyder Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 10:03 PM
Ithaca records recorded 887 Magnum 10 gauge and 87 in 12 gauge.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/16/22 11:34 PM
As we've noted several times before, the SAAMI meeting where it was suggested that manufacturers start marking the chamber length on their shotguns was 1937. From my observations, Savage was marking their Fox doubles by late 1938/early 1939. I begin seeing the "For 2 3/4 or shorter shells" marking on Remington pumps and autoloaders on some 1939 vintage guns. Ithaca seems to have been a bit more lax on this. My 1941 vintage No. 4E 16-gauge has no chamber length marking.

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As for the NID Super-10s, their last appearance in Ithaca catalogs and price lists was 1936, before the SAAMI suggestion.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/17/22 12:45 AM
FWIW here is the only good clear picture pf the 3" CHAMBER marking I have. From a gun Julia's sold for $69000 at their fall 2013 auction!!

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I have a sheet of paper inserted in my Second Edition of Walters book where I have been recording Magnum-Frame 12-gauges and I have ten so far.
Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/17/22 11:28 AM
I may be imagining things, but the picture seems to show a bit of a swamp ahead of the breech. This could indicate a 12 gauge barrel or maybe a 12 gauge sleeve job.
Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/17/22 02:39 PM
Does anyone remember the screen name of the seller? The ad for these barrels has disappeared from the website. I tried to leave a bid and it was rejected. Strange.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/17/22 03:07 PM
The listing was ended by the seller because of an error in the listing.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/19/22 09:50 PM
The barrels are back --

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313962381187?hash=item49199dbf83%3Ag%3AVBcAAOSwMBZiWLi4&LH_Auction=1
Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 01:10 PM
After several attempts to correct errors in his ad, he still states "12 gauges were 3 1/2" chambers, 10 gauges were 3" chambers". At least now we will get a chance to purchase these barrels. Maybe someone out there has a mag ten with missing or damaged barrels.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 01:27 PM
Probably a very small pool of people with any use for a set of Magnum-10 extractor barrels. Out of the 887 Magnum-10s made I'd guess less than 500 were extractor guns.
Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 03:18 PM
My guess is that someone wants those barrels as an extra set to install Briley choke tubes and shoot steel shot or shoot skeet! I'll live with one set of barrels.
Posted By: graybeardtmm3 Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Researcher
The barrels are back --

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313962381187?hash=item49199dbf83%3Ag%3AVBcAAOSwMBZiWLi4&LH_Auction=1
yes, and now they are 10 gauge....

best regards,

tom
Posted By: simcgunner Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 11:05 PM
[img]http://[/img]https://i.postimg.cc/8kdsDNZC/2020-goose.jpg. I love mine and thought of getting those to multy choke but don't really need another one. They point surprisingly well but too heavy for clay games. once killed a swan at over 40 yards dead in the air like a dove
Posted By: skeettx Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/20/22 11:27 PM
For simcgunner

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I took my Ithaca NID ONCE pheasant hunting ONCE
Now I use it once a year for doves so I can sit and not walk smile

Mike
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by skeettx
I took my Ithaca NID ONCE pheasant hunting ONCE
Now I use it once a year for doves so I can sit and not walk smile

Mike

Please tell me it's not a 10 ga., Mike ................ not a 10 ga. for doves.
Posted By: Researcher Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 01:29 AM
I owned Field Grade 500167 for a couple of days short of sixteen years and the only time it was shot was standing off the end of the clubhouse at the old Potomac River Gun Club and shooting high house birds at about fifty yards. Finally carried it along up to a Harrisburg Gun Show and sold it to the Hartmann brothers. Saw it a year and a half later in Lamboy's tent at a Vintage Cup at Orvis Sandanonna. Seeing these barrels with 500187 took me aback for a moment until I checked my records.
Posted By: skeettx Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 01:57 AM
Stanton,
During dove season, I use a different gun each time I go out.
For the 10 gauge NID I was using 1 1/8 ounce reloads and also
some Silver GaugeMates 10-12.

Here is an example of a dove year

01 Sept 08 doves Tristar 410 3” #6 Herter’s Rained out
02 Sept 15 doves Remington 3200 16 gauge, use Rem ammo
03 Sept 15 doves Browning Superpose RKLT 20 IC/Mod
04 Sept 15 doves Browning Superpose RKLT 12 Mod/Full
05 Sept 15 doves Browning Citori 16 gauge Sk & Sk
07 Sept 14 doves Remington 3200 12 ga Mod/Full 40+ Wind
08 Sept NO HUNT 46 degrees, raining and windy
09 Sept NO HUNT Rain
10 Sept NO HUNT 38 degrees and rain
11 Sept 15 doves American Arms Brittany 20 gauge
12 Sept 15 doves L.C.Smith Q3 (1893) with Briley 20 ga tubes
14 Sept 15 doves Liegeous D’Arms A Fue 16 O/U, Herter’s #6
15 Sept 15 doves GECO 16 ga SXS & Citori
16 Sept 15 doves Krieghoff Drilling 16ga & Citori 2 ½ ammo
17 Sept 15 doves Helice French 12ga 2 ½ ammo
18 Sept 15 doves Zamacola 12 Ga. SXS
19 Sept 05 doves Daly Superior 20ga. Sk&Sk Short hunt
21 Sept 15 doves Superposed IC/MOD Carved 20 gauge
25 Sept 15 doves, NID 10 ga with Gaugemate 12s, lots of collards
28 Sept 4 doves, Remington 1900, few doves, colder
29 Sept 2 doves, Browning A-5 16 3-Shot, almost no doves
05 Oct 3 doves, Remington 3200 20 gauge ported barrels
241 Doves
Posted By: GLS Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 09:03 AM
I saw in a post, I believe it was on another forum where a man was catching grief from his small bore buddies for using a 12 ga. on doves and not another gauge. His reply: "have you seen the cost of 10 ga. shells?" Gil
Posted By: eightbore Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 09:28 AM
Researcher, Steve Lamboy had plans to manufacture the Mag Ten and was working on a prototype. Apparently, making the barrels was a bit in the future, so he used the barrels from another Mag Ten, apparently yours, to fit to his prototype. I don't know whether he ever finished the gun, but obviously never marketed the gun.
Posted By: docbill Re: Ithaca 10 Gauge Magnum Barrels - 04/21/22 12:13 PM
No to get off topic but I've had and used my mag 10 since 2001. Best use to date is pass shooting sandhill cranes. Best shot to date has been a dead in the air 75 +/- yds. Handloaded bismuth 2's, 1 7/8 oz. Nothing else I have ever owned comes close to its ranging power.
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