I have heard though the Grapevine some of the regulars can't make the class and their are some unexpected openings in the Double gun class. These classes are extremely valuable to Double gun fans of all levels of experience. I was a regular when they were held in Trinidad, CO and always came home better for it. These classes usually fill up so now is your chance!

What a wonderful opportunity from some of the BEST. Anyone with an interest would surely get more than his money’s worth.

Yes, there are certainly some very talented instructors teaching those classes. And no doubt, sales as a result of this free advertising will also net Dave Weber the customary $12.00 fee that is expected of those who advertise and sell things on his forum.

It will be just like the $12.00 that Mark sends to Dave for each sale of guns resulting from responses to his Free Advertising tagline... right???

Thanks Mark.

Goodness that's a lotta talent.

Lots of us who are regulars here have been to the classes at Trinidad. I was there for at least 6 years (Ok, I'm a little slow and needed some remedial work) for the DoubleGun classes. Dennis is a wonderful guy, great instructor and, by all means if you can get there and have a scintilla of knowledge OR interest, there is a wealth of knowledge to be gleaned. DO IT while there is an opportunity. Call or contact me if you need to chat with a former student. Gil

Keith ,this is like a public service announcement ,information for individuals you would like to increase there knowledge,and skill level I don't see it as a sales pich.i know some of these guys and it would be worth it to go to the classes even a thick individual will learn something.

mc, I agree that classes taught by these guys would likely be worthwhile. But at $500.00 per class per pupil, I'd assume that both the instructors and the school are making some money. Do you seriously feel it is fair, and a "Public Service", for the school and the instructors to get paid, but Dave Weber should get this:


Dave asks for a $12.00 fee for sales that result from advertising done on his forum. $12.00 on a $500.00 sale is a lousy 2.4%. Yet you seem to think it is OK when a couple of your pals continually engage in free advertising of their business ventures in their taglines here. They sidestep the For Sale forum, and one even brags about the amount of sales he/she gets from his/her free advertising, without paying Dave. Now it appears that the Free Advertising they do on a continual basis isn't enough, and they wish to push the envelope even further.

It's no skin off my ass. They aren't hurting me by cheating Dave. But you know that if I did the same thing, these guys would call me everything but a white English gentleman. When I had a link to the NRA-Political Victory Fund as my tagline, I was accused of taking advantage of Dave. And I notice that you did not defend me or say that was a "Public Service Announcement", even though I didn't make a penny from it. So I point it out, just to make a point. Feel free to convince me that I'm wrong.

yeah keith, this time the mal content, aka mc is correct on this one...

Mark was letting people know there were openings for classes I have heard some people on this bb enjoy double guns and some might want to learn to do some repairs upgrades also anyone who is a gun owner and is not an NRA member and do not support the NRA is an idiot.and yes I am friends with people who offer a service of sxs shotgun repair and other sporting gun compatable servive ultimately I think Dave Webber should be deciding what steps to take and how to deal with tag line pirates:)

Wow, Just wow.

The guys teaching the classes could make far more money staying home and working on client guns. Those of us who enjoy working on classic guns, doubles in particular, are blessed to have such talented men who are willing to share their hard earn knowledge. If you have the interest and can make it happen, go and spend a week with one of these craftsmen, you will be glad you did.

I would like to share some further information, specifically regarding anyone who who like to become a professional gunmaker. The ACGG foundation will be offering scholarships and Grants to those looking to enter the gunsmithing field professionally.


https://www.acgg.foundation/

Not to be offensive, but there is a lot of knowledge held by men just as old or older than I am and they are willing to pass some of it on to others for very little money. This is a great idea. Just wish I could go and learn about case relining and case restorations. Do note there is no Spring chicken among these guys, so take what they can teach you, or wish you had later. We have lost too much talent and knowledge about doubles, to be passing up a chance like this lightly.

Dave Weber has made his feelings known about those who use his forum to promote thier business ventures here. I have posted that for you several times in the past mc, yet you seem determined to pretend that nothing has been stated on this matter.

The term "tag line pirates" is appropriate though. Glad you see it for what it is. Now please explain to me why you feel only Dave should act or comment on that, yet anyone can complain about any other behaviors they dislike, from insults to shooting fireworks???

You also twist my intent here. I am totally supportive of anyone who desires to learn to become a skilled gunsmith. But anyone who has that desire can easily find the resources to get such an education from any number of talented instructors. I did a quick Google search, and found numerous schools and courses all over the country, including these courses at Iowa-Valley that are being advertised here. The school is making money, and the instructors are making money. And I have no reason to believe that the instructors are doing this out of charity, and that they would earn more by not teaching these classes. I'd say that their earnings will be dependent upon how many students sign up. This Free Advertising will help fill their pockets, but do nothing at all for Dave. How is that fair?

Do you think I should do a "public service" by advertising all of the other available gunsmithing schools and courses here without any compensation or consideration for Dave? Apparently, you and several others see nothing wrong with that.... especially those who are profiting from their own Free Advertising.

By the way mc... when you say that any gun owner who does not support the NRA is an idiot, you are insulting some of your pals here. But we do agree on that much.

Good to see this post staying at the top of the page!

I feel this post is webbers call because if it upsets you this much he must be in tears .so I'm asking Dave Webber to clarify what is allowed .no more tears

So predictable our resident Karen is once more acting as the self appointed site policeman.

Keith, you don't really give a shit....you just use this as an excuse to attack those on your shit list. So freaking tiresome. One would think the sanctions Dave has placed on you over time might teach you something. But no.....your self righteous bullshit just feeds on itself and encourages you to even greater instances of Gladys Kravitz-ism. Always sticking your nose where it doesn't belong and where you have nothing to offer.

Gladys kravits

There are still openings in Dennis's class. He is one of the finest gun makers in the world and a great teacher. Just to be clear no one that has posted any information about these classes have any financial interest in the classes.

Mustela frenata, so tell us, what exactly are you doing here, oh my little Canadian Karen? You sure aren't thinking about signing up for gunsmith classes. How is your intervention and interference here different? And what do you call your behavior about a year ago, when you could barely make any posts at all without attacking or complaining about jOe.

Let's try to be truthful, if that is even possible for you at this juncture, Many of us have some here that we favor and grant latitude to. And we have some that we dislike for various reasons. When you speak of enemies lists, you should acknowledge that you certainly have me enshrined on your own enemies list.. And I have no problem admitting that I terminated the friendship we once had due to your duplicitous nature... which jOe astutely warned me about.

And let's not forget that you were also here when some of the forum's Liberal Left wing complained about my Ronald Reagan "deplorables" tagline, and then complained that I was cheating Dave when I had a link to rhe NRA Political Victory Fund.

We didn't see you atracking or criticizing them, or calling them out about having me on their "shit list". But we now see you coming to the defense of those who engage in Free Advertising to promote their own business ventures, without paying Dave the $12.00 fee that honorable guys pay when they sell things here.

mc still maintains that this Free Advertising of these gunsmithing classes is nothing more than a Public Service Announcement. And it is my Public Service Announcement to remind folks that our site Administrator expects a voluntary payment of $12.00, on the HONOR SYSTEM, for items sold as a result of advertising done on this Forum.

And maybe those who do business with these "tagline pirates" ought to consider that they are buying goods and services from people who are deceptively avoiding those meager payments to Dave. Maybe they should think about doing business with someone more honest and reputable.

BTW Mustela, thanks for co-opting my use of the descriptive term Gladys Kravitz. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.