A pinfire rifle with high decoration. It's a new name/location for me. Are any of you familiar with the name ?

How ornate..... That hard relief really grows on you and this one is just lovely.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Arquebusier Oudinot Berthier, I would guess to be undoubtedly French, so French sourced??? I have seen that platform prior so let me ponder.....



Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I am always horrible in deciphering this German Gothic / Fraktur....

V.J. Cakl v. Ronove

So maybe Bohemian????

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Puškař V.J. Cakl v. Ronovè in Bohemia...... All just wild speculation for now.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Very lifelike stock carvings.

Presumably the hunter leaning on his muzzles is telling the guy with his hand over his muzzles all about gun safety, or vice versa?

It may be a Bastin slide action. Berthier I think was French as Bertier bolt action rifles were used by the French in WW I. Digging around I found an Oudinot in part of Paris. The carving is very Austrian in influence though. Someone will no doubt come up with the answer. Certainly a lot of work has gone into it! Lagopus.....

According book of Vladimir Dolinek / Cesti Puskari / page 25
..
Cakl Vaclav
Ronov nad Doubravou
...
Translation of 4-line details
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CAKL (Zackl,ZAKL) Vaclav (W.J.)
Ronov at Doubrava
Born 1813 in Ouhrove (father Vaclal Zakel , carpenter in Ronove)
Permit (?) 1837 (Wedding), 1838 -1862 (birth od children)
----
..
Google provides you detail on "Ronov nad Doubravou" / is town in Czech district of Chrudim
..
A.m.book of Dolinek and also book of Hans 'Schedelmann have several photos of
high-grade guns of genuine Bohemian/Czech origin with gunstock-engraving.
Seems to be have been a usual embelishment-feature at this time.
...
In this case a de-luxe French gun, retailed by Cakl in Ronov/Bohemia and possibly
embelished with gunstock-engraving in Bohemia
...
Cheers
F.N.

Vaclav Cakl, lovely addition. Now on to the action.


Serbus,

Raimey
tse

Yes, possibly a Bastin-Lepage contraption:





https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=613033


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

My question is what is this novel addition?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Seems there were two Berthier Boys: One Émile Berthier who had a hand in the Mannlicher-Berthier bolt-action rifles and carbines and antoher
André Virgile Paul Marie Berthier, who was a machine gun fanatic.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthier_rifle
Arquebusier Émile Berthier(Algerian Railroad Guy)

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1446635A/en
Arquebusier André Virgile Paul Marie Berthier(Neuilly-sur-Seine France)


Serbus,


Raimey
rse

Pierre Camille Montigny & A. Fontaine( L'évêque?? ) design, evidently perfected by Bastin Frères:

http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20b/a%20bastin%20freres%20gb.htm

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Very uncertain on Arquebusier Oudinot or Arquebusier Oudinot-Berthier??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2010/07/actions-sliding-barrel-breech-action.html

https://powderflask.uk/product/double-shotgun-by-john-lyell/

If the source is correct.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Does it have a French single set trigger?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, thanks for your detective work. I don't have the gun in hand, yet, so hopefully I can find out more when it comes. I don't know where the seller got Stadelmann name from, but did see a similar mechanism with the Stadelmann name in a Nitro Express post. Yes, from a visual standpoint, it does resemble a Bastien. That little gizmo on the left that you asked about ? Could it be a snuff box ?

Here a thread with a Stadelmann if you scroll down a long way.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/prin...=paradox&main=251424&type=thread

Friedrich Stadelmann retailed longarm....


Thanks to Mr. Halquist I now know how F.(Friedrich) Stadelmann in Suhl got in the mix. Friedrich Stadelmann peddled one and the previous custodian thought Stadelmann was turning them out. Stadelmann hung out his gunamking shingle in 1860 & fancied the Bayonet, as he was known for the blade. It is possible that his father too was a Büchsenmacher. Now his son or grandson was probably Paul Stadelmann, who was an apprentice @ Otto Bock on his >>Walkabout<< and went on to own E. Schmidt & Habermann as well as Friedrich Zschocke in Suhl, I believe. With that, he probably had his fingers in other Suhl pies too.



Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I do think it is a >>Snuffbox<< and probably for Brutons.....

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Well......... Close but not Cigar on Bastin..... More than likely, the tubeset does not slide but rotates as in the Système Colleye/Coleye/Coley. Thanks to Newcomer for putting us on the straight & narrow.



>>Maximilien Nicolas Colleye (also spelled Coleye and Coley; also traded as Colleye Fils) was a gunmaker/actioner located in Hoignée-Cheratte, Liège, in business from 1850-1865.<<


https://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20c/a%20coleye%20m%20n%20gb.htm

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

And the >>Snuffbox<< on the Système Maximilien Nicolas Colleye looks to actually be lever that allows the separation of the tubeset from the frame. Seems it rotates to allow the crosspin to drop out of a slot of a frame hanger of sorts.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Yes, Raimey, the Coley or Colley system. Thanks to the find by Aaron Newcomer of Steve Nash's thoughts which can be seen here.
https://casimirlefaucheux.com/t/systeme-colleye/260

Oh man! I didn't realize we had a whole tread on this when Daryl emailed me about it! I was probably too busy bidding on it, and then debating if I wanted to sell one of the kids to continue bidding on it, to check!

I meant to find time all last week to actually go look at it too as it was being sold from a gun shop 25 minutes from me!

I ended up keeping the kid so I'll just have to view it as an admirer some time instead of as its owner.

I love that the depiction of the hunters actually shows them with a pinfire.