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Posted By: Run With The Fox Steyr - 03/31/21 12:50 PM
Looking at a Stoeger Imported Mannlicher in 30-06. Rear bridge has a "one legged" scope base, has a Co. mfg. Redfield 4X scope- 20" barrel and double set triggers. about 80% oal condition as to blueing, checkering, wood- ?? with 2 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber, do you have to manually work the bolt to unload the weapon- doesn't seem to be a drop down hinged floorplate- RWTF
Posted By: Der Ami Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 01:48 PM
You didn't say which type your rifle, but your statement that the rear bridge has a "one legged" scope base leads me to think it is a Mannlicher Schoenauer. If this is the case, there should be a small "button" in the right hand receiver rail, just ahead of the bolt handle. Open the bolt and press this button, and any cartridges in the magazine should come out.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 04:52 PM
Danke, Mike- I put 3 a-zoom dummy 30-06 rds. in the magazine, racked one into the chamber, and dry-fired it-- opened the bolt and it ejected the a-zoom, and then racked in the second round-ditto. I noticed that stippled button on the receiver rail for the box magazine, will try it when I fire it with live rds. later. What is the right process to "re-set" the weapon on safe with the 2 triggers- I have never owned or shot a BA rifle with that feature-- assume I have set the rear trigger, with the safety lever over to the rh "fire" position-- how do I safely "unset" the triggers-- Danke-- Der Fuchs
Posted By: Kutter Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 06:08 PM
To 'un-set' the triggers,,,CArefully,,,w/o touching the front trigger,,,,pull the Rear trigger to the rear and HOLD it there. Then while still holding the rear trigger back,,pull the front trigger. That will release the rear trigger.
The rear trigger will let go under it's heavy spring tension so be prepared to hold it back so it does NOT spring forward and trip the sear.
That would fire the rifle.
Hold the rear trigger back once it's released (you will feel it so), and then carefully let the rear trigger forward till it stays static. It will remain in a neutral position and not touch the sear inside and the rifle will not rifle .

You can still fire the rifle by pulling the front trigger just by itself. It is a long and usually heavy pull. But is there to be used if the DST is not wanted.

This type of DST is called a double lever DST. The trigger fires from either position.
Some early (mostly muzzle loader & Target rifles) DST fire only from the 'set' position. These are called Single lever DST.
Posted By: xausa Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 07:32 PM
I agree that the method described works, but why not re-engage the wing safety before performing it? I have been hunting with rifles with double set triggers for years and that is the solution I use. Actually, with the safety engaged, it is theoretically possible to simply pull the front trigger without causing an accidental discharge, but I prefer your method of holding the rear trigger back while releasing the front trigger and then easing it forward. It goes without saying that the muzzle must be pointed in a safe direction during the process in any case.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 08:38 PM
Thanks, gents- Now I know why Hemingway had his Mannlichers converted by G&H to a single trigger-- this Steyr was made for Stoeger export- has the chrome finished bolt with std. curved handle (not the earlier "butterknife" style, also is not marked for caliber on receiver-and if I buy it, I will justs hoot it with the front trigger-not being used to a double or single set trigger.RWTF
Posted By: Brittany Man Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 08:47 PM
All of the above mentioned methods will work. I have a M1952 M/S & it always makes me a bit nervous to unset the trigger on a live round. xausa's method is probably the safest but unless the rifle has no scope or the scope is mounted extremely high there is not enough room under the occular end of the scope to engage the wing safety.

All of the post war M/S rifles have either a side safety or a tang safety in addition to the wing safety which will (in theory) prevent the rifle from firing set or unset if the trigger is pulled while engaged.

What I do to unset the trigger when loaded is to engage the side safety & then with the rifle pointed in a safe direction open the bolt & remove the cartridge in the chamber then with the bolt still open use Kutter's method of unsetting the trigger. Alternately you can also simply pull the front trigger to unset it with the bolt open & chamber empty but this puts more wear on the trigger system.

The magazine is best unloaded by pushing the button on the right bolt rail.

All in all the Steyr M/S is a neat & well made rifle & mine (a .270 WCF Stutzen) is very accurate but I still prefer to hunt with a Mauser 98 or Winchester Model 70 & w/ a good single stage trigger.
Posted By: Der Ami Re: Steyr - 03/31/21 08:54 PM
Like xausa, I have been hunting with set triggers, both double and single, for many, many years. The first rule is do not set the trigger until you are ready to shoot. My German gunsmith buddy said it is better to hunt with the safety off and the trigger unset, than with the trigger set and the safety on. This sounds wrong, but it was intended to convey the danger of walking around with the trigger set. If you use Kutter's method or xausa's methods, more than likely it won't fire. If you open the bolt ( just a fraction of an inch) or if a break open gun, open it up; then it can't fire. If you set the trigger before you are ready to shoot, it is too easy to forget that it is set. With single set triggers, you can't "ease" it forward. On the other hand set triggers are wonderful.
Posted By: xausa Re: Steyr - 04/01/21 02:25 PM
My 1903 Stutzen doesn't need a scope:
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On the other hand I have always found it strange that no one has thought to offer a low scope safety, like the Buehler Mauser safety, for the Mannlicher Cshoenauer.
Posted By: Kutter Re: Steyr - 04/01/21 05:05 PM
I just don't like manipulating the Safety with the DST set.
It's just easy to grab ahold of the rear/set trigger and hold it there. It's secure and the rifle cannot fire at that point.
Then release it by touching the front trigger.

With a DST,,The kicker sear and the bolt sear are engaged with release still measured in lbs.
It's the DST mechanism itself that has the let-off measured in oz. or part of. The engagement of the DST trigger sears is still (or should be) positive.
It's simple leverage within the DST mechanism that allow the extremely light let-off.
Posted By: Brittany Man Re: Steyr - 04/01/21 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by xausa
On the other hand I have always found it strange that no one has thought to offer a low scope safety, like the Buehler Mauser safety, for the Mannlicher Cshoenauer.


I have seen several M/S rifles with a "one off" conversion of the wing safety that allows it's use with a reasonably low scope mounting.

If there was ever a commercial offering of a "low Scope" safety lever conversion for the M/S I'm not aware of it. Probably too small of a market to make it profitable to produce as opposed to the Mauser & Springfield 03 market.

I really do prefer a bolt sleeve mounted safety (or1917 Enfield style) that locks the firing pin like on most military bolt action rifles as opposed to a safety that simply blocks the trigger from moving.
Posted By: Der Ami Re: Steyr - 04/01/21 10:56 PM
Considering the location of the bolt, it is not all that easy to mount a scope very low, anyway.
Posted By: Brittany Man Re: Steyr - 04/02/21 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Der Ami
Considering the location of the bolt, it is not all that easy to mount a scope very low, anyway.
With the 1952 & later models (swept back bolt handle) you can mount a scope approximately 1.6" above the bore centerline (centerline of bore to centerline of scope) w/o modifications to the bolt handle as long as the ocular end of the scope isn't larger than 1.45" & you can gain a bit more clearance by thinning the bolt handle.

Earlier models w/ the straight bolt handle will likely require higher scope mounting or thinning the bolt handle & most prewar models will only have the wing safety so will need a very high mounted scope for clearance of the safety.

I don't consider 1.6" a high mounted scope as most ballistic programs use 1.5" as the default for line of sight & a lot of large objective scopes require 1.6" or higher mounting for barrel clearance but that said, I always try to mount my scopes as low as possible.
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