Hello, friend of mine has a double Eduard Kettner roux system with a date 1954,in 9.3x72r but cal. its marked as 118/35 (-way of markings the 9,3 cal common for Guns to 1912) it passed proofhouse in Ulm. No nitro markings. Rifling is unique, very wide, 9,00mm/9,15mm. Ill try to post some pictures.Does anyone has any info about the gun, rifling Kettner used for his doubles? Thank you. Martin

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MIke

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There are two dates-what does it mean? Reproof?

A friend of mine has an Eduard Kettner double barrel with the 118/35 proof mark for bore diameter also. This mark is found on many pre 1912 9.3x72Rs (and other case length 9.3s), but his is chambered for 9x58 1/2R S&S ( his was made by S&S for marketing by Kettner). Your rifle was actually made before 1912, as evidenced by the 118/35 marking, but re-proofed later, hence the 1954 and 58 dates. I have a prewar drilling that was re-proofed after the war, and like yours the new proofs are in a very small font. I am unable to see your new proofs well enough to tell why( or for what) yours was re-proofed for. If you look around in the website Skeetx linked, maybe you can figure it out. Look for the post war West German (FRG) proof marks and pay particular attention to the initials inside the Bundesadlers. They are the key to the meaning of those particular marks. Your friend is lucky.
Mike

Can you pleasure us with a pic of the water-table too? The stamp of >>1253<< may also be a proof date??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you very much!

The tubes were sourced from the Schilling forge, more than likely utilizing rough bored tubes from Belgium. Looks like a mechanic with the initials >>PW<< was the tubeset knitter. With the Doll's Head Extension, it may have been made prior to 1900??


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you! Very interesting gun indeed, Do you think it could be old gun without original proof facility marks (like pre 1892?) I think if they used just old parts in 1953,they would mark it differently - Like 9,3x72r norm and with nitro proof?Its very confusing. Is it possible to recognice date/era it was made by that sign E.D.Kettner? Or by the style of the roux system, engraving, shape of the action?
Do you know what kind of rifling is it? I got 9,3x72r drilling from 1906 (by the časť is more likely 9,3x72r D) with 8,91mm/9,30-9,33mm dia. with very rare roux style treff lever but different shape action and it has different type of rifling.





Its marked 118.35, 10.06-date,739-th gun through Z-M, AK-auctioner, LK-tubeset knitter?

The rifle was made after the proof law of 1891 came into effect Mar 1893, as evidenced by the proof marks on it. It was made before the improvements to the 1891 law came into effect in 1912, as evidenced by the bore diameter being expressed in gauge measurement(118/35). It was likely proofed in Suhl and they didn't start dating the proofs until the mid 1920s, therefore date of initial proof is unknown, but would be between 1893 and 1912. I could not magnify the re-proof marks enough to read the letters inside the eagles ( Bundesadlers), so I can't make out the type of re-proofs.
Mike

Thank you Mike, have a look at these please

9372,
Now that I can actually see the marks, I don't believe they are FRG marks at all. They seem to be DDR (East German) marks, which confuses things in my mind ( some may say I am always confused).
The Eagle next to the G is the mark for rifles. The Eagle by itself is the mark for definitive proof. Each barrel carries these marks. Do you happen to know if the person that brought it to the USA was stationed in West Berlin? Immediately after the war, the "wall" had not been built and American servicemen were able to travel to the East Zone much easier than later. Also, I didn't see the Ulm house mark in the new photos and had just accepted the statement it had been re-proofed there. The ULM house mark is a stag's antler, do you see this mark?
Mike

Mike, the gun is in Europe in Slovakia.
Martin

9372,
I see the Ulm house mark now. The gun sure is "well traveled".
Mike