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Hi all, kind of asked this under a different thread, but thought I'd ask on a seperate one. Anyway, what markings should one look for when trying to find out the date a gun was made and also how did the Germans mark choke?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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A very good reference is "The Standard Directory of Proof Marks" by Gerhard Wirnsberger. This has proof marks of many nations, and is one of the best, if not the best text available on the subject. It's a fairly small 192 page book, usually available used on eBay or through AbeBooks.
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As ChiefShotguns states Wirnsberger is possible "the" source. Nobili's "Austrian & German guns & rifles" also is a later Contiental source version.
Regarding date codes, Zella-Mehlis began around the turn of the century with a 3 or 4 digit number followed by Suhl in September of 1923. So if the longarm was proved in December of 1923 the stamp would be "1223". And I think it was after the 1968 revisions, and possibly only in West Germany, letter of the alphabet could also be used with 0 to 9 being represented by "A" to "K".
Choke is marked by "Crown" over "W" noting a constriction of 0.2mm, I think. It's an "all or nothing" mark. If it has less than 0.2mm, then there isn't a stamp. Equal to or greater than 0.2mm = a "Crown" over "W" stamp with degree not noted.
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If both sides of the Watertable are marked with a crown over a "W", would this indicate both left and right barrels were choked? And if that is the case was it commonly done? My 1887-1890 Sauer double hammergun is so marked.
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If both sides of the Watertable are marked with a crown over a "W", would this indicate both left and right barrels were choked? And if that is the case was it commonly done? My 1887-1890 Sauer double hammergun is so marked. Yes & Yes. Each bbl is independently marked. It is most common to see guns with the Crown/W on both bbls.
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Yes to all the questions but if your Sauer has the "Crown" over "W"-Wurgebohrung stamp it would have been proved, or submitted to the proofhouse, after April 1st, 1893. If it was instock at a maker or firearms merchant during January - April of 1893, it will have the "Crown" over "V"-Vorrat/on-hand stamp. If a gun was proved at a proofhouse, reproof have to be at the same proofhouse.
It could be 0.2mm on one tube & 2mm(a little pun intended) on the other tube.
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