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Almost without variance, the damage that occurs with steel shot comes from tight chokes and large shot. No constriction = no damage in my experience.
Steve SKB...So you recommend steel shot for any gun without a choke ? The shot does not stay in the shot cup.....as it's racing down the barrel ahead of the shot cup steel can scratch the bore.
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I stand by my load recommendation of an earlier post. I hope that my choice of "hard shot" did not lead anyone to think I was referring to steel or any other no tox shot. I was referring to 1 3/8 ounces of high antimony lead shot propelled at about 1100 to 1125 fps with a powder with the burning characteristics of Unique, possibly as slow as Herco and a firm petalled wad such as the W114. The load should be low pressure, low recoil, friendly to the gun, and should put as much shot in a 40 yard 30" circle as a 1 1/8 ounce 1200 fps out of an improved cylinder barrel. Your comment that your shots are within 30 yards would lead me to believe that you don't have much of a problem to solve.
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I endorse Replacement's suggestion for buffering. I added GREX buffering to a 1 1/4 oz turkey load, and improved density by abut 25%. Much cheaper alternative than the exotic metals.
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In my opinion a gun with no choke and using plastic shot cups will be just fine with steel shot. When I first recommended hard shot in this thread I was referring to high antimony shot, just like Bill said above.
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Almost without variance, the damage that occurs with steel shot comes from tight chokes and large shot. No constriction = no damage in my experience.
Steve If some guy reads this and scratches the hell out of a fine damascus barrel with steel shot are you offering discounts on Teague lining ? .
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How many guns have you seen this happen to? My bet is zero.....kinda like the broken stocks you were warning about the other day? I stand by my opinion. If this was the case every gun out there that had shot steel would be scratched up.....it just is not so.
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Steel shot can ruin old guns. Not arguing, just asking for a mechanism. If the shot is contained in appropriate thick shotcups so that there is no scrubbing, loaded to acceptably low pressures, encountering zero constriction at the muzzle - how does it damage the "old gun" in question? Sam You are correct, that scenario will not harm anything but the target
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How many guns have you seen this happen to? My bet is zero.....kinda like the broken stocks you were warning about the other day? I stand by my opinion. If this was the case every gun out there that had shot steel would be scratched up.....it just is not so.
Steve I'm not planning on trying steel shot in any of my vintage guns....I wasn't warning about broken stocks I just asked if you had ever had one break bending it.  Here's a test.... Take that W.C. Scott with "decent bores" you have for sale and shoot a bunch of steel shot through it....it might polish out the pits.
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Steel shot can ruin old guns. Not arguing, just asking for a mechanism. If the shot is contained in appropriate thick shotcups so that there is no scrubbing, loaded to acceptably low pressures, encountering zero constriction at the muzzle - how does it damage the "old gun" in question? Sam You are correct, that scenario will not harm anything but the target bUll Hockey. yOu and SKB should hook up...maybe he'll pay you commission on selling Teague lining.
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So there we have it, you have never seen it happen yet you are sure that is how it works. Seems pretty typical for your scientific evaluations.....
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