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Hey, Y'all be nice to hOjO...he seems to be trying to improve his social skills...Geo

SKB

I'm on your side. Not scientific, but my brother has fired 100's, if not more, steel loads through his Meriden, bores are still pristine. The first several hundred were high pressure, high velocity loads, mostly 3's and 1's, with an occasional BB--ducks and geese were the targets. Once he shattered his buttstock I convinced him to drop velocity and charge to 1400 fps., 7/8 oz. and 8000# handloads. This gun was originally full and "fuller", chokes were opened up a tad while the gun was being restocked. Don't think I'd subject a $10k gun to the potential for scoring (though I assign this issue to the same bucket as "high base/magnum, low base/soft load) but his hardware gun digests these loads without damage. I'd really like to hear from someone that actually scored a double's bores with steel.

I'll quick put away my soapbox, jOe will pillory me enough for this!

Steve

Gents,

The gun has damascus barrels and while they measure solid they feel delicate. It might be just in my head, but I am not willing to subject her internals to the hardest shot, choke or not. I don't want to take the chance, yet.
I shot it yesterday with 7.5 subsonic F2 B&P and smashed targets out to 30 yards so there might not be a real problem, this cylinder. However, I am interested in learning about the many possibilities involved with changing the loads through same tube.
For that I thank you very much.
In regards to scoring the barrels I think I remember reading one of the manufacturers mentioning that hevy shot or similar hard non toxic can do that to steel barrels. The scratching was mostly esthetic and not structural. But that is a different topic...

That's one of the great benefits of playing with smoothbore muzzleloaders...in essence, your are into the "reloading" aspect every time you prepare each shot right there at the range, not at home at the reloading bench.

There are an infinite number of variations you can tinker with regarding powder types & amounts, wad types, amounts, & configurations, and shot types, sizes, & amounts.

And the REALLY big plus is that doing it real time at the range, you can immediately see the results after each shot on the patterning board...a live fire clinic on shot load variables.

Has anyone tried cream of wheat as a shot buffer and how did it work? : Mike

There have been threads in the past about Cream Of Wheat, but my recollection is that it was being used more as a filler to achieve proper crimping rather than as a buffer. I have not used it, but would think that the density of the stuff compared to synthetic buffers may require dropping a few pellets from the load to stay within charge weight specs.

Thanks...I think.

In the 70´s when I reloaded for geese, I used plain wheat flour as a cushion filler with lead #BB.
The other components were Remington primer and case, a Winchester slow powder (#571???) and a Power Piston (yes, here in Mexico we only had Remington components, but now is worst, because we do not have any!!!)
1-1/2 oz of BB´s was 74 pellets and I put all of them in a 30 inches circle at 40 yds, the mitical 100% pattern with a full choke Mossberg shotgun.

All I said is because the flour works for tighten a pattern, very well indeed!!

Regards,

Jose

I have seen a Browning Superposed 20 Ga. and a Winchester 12 Ga. 101 that both had barrels that were "splined" or scratched by Steel Loads. This was how ever back around 1980-1982, the Steel componets are supposed to be better these days.

My Richland Arms 10 Ga. choked full & fuller shows no signs of damage with steel. It is sort of a clunker, so I don't worry too much about it.

Seems they crossed this bridge years ago...

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