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Isn't it a Stevens made barrel that was (possibly) rebored/rerifled by Pope?,,as opposed to a 'barrel made by Pope'?

Not that it would be any less quality than a barrel he made from scratch. Splitting hairs perhaps,,but I'd think the two would be different catagorys of his work when it comes to what he actually made. The purveyors of all things Pope most likely see it differently I suppose.

At any rate w/o a name on it, it's one experts opinion against the others as to who rifled it. Kind of like sorting out all those unmarked but 'attributed to' engraved pieces by Kornbrath and Nimschke. Everyone seems to have one for sale somewhere.

Pope or not,,that is a fantastic looking Stevens rifle!
Great photography as always.

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Well, we seem to be going in a circle and I'm not sure how to better explain myself. S.R. Griffin marked a very few of his stocks and I can tell at a glance if a stock was made by him marked or not. This barrel was rifled by Pope when he worked in Hartford and I'm not 99% sure, I'm positive. That may sound like BS but I can tell by looking. I sent a email to Warren Greatbatch and I'll see if he can sort it out.


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Michael, as you know, I've collected Pope and other custom barrel makers' work for nearly 50 years. I have one unsigned Pope, at least I am convinced that is what it is. I have a couple of rifles like the 44 Stevens where Pope has recut someone else's barrel. Those are marked "Rifled by H M Pope". These carry his "code lines" under the fore end, just as his complete barrels do.

Within the past 30 or so years, a number of barrel makers have offered barrels cut in Pope's style. These are going to present future identification problems as someone mentioned earlier in this thread.

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Thanks Terry, that now makes two unsigned Pope barrels. Now I wounder why they were not signed. As meticulous as Pope was he sure as heck did not "Forget" to mark them so there had to be another reason.

Depending on how you look at it I'm down to (or up) a Hartford-Pope .33-40, Stevens-Pope .38-72 and Jersey City Pope .30-06.


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I realize this is somewhat off topic, but how common are Pope barrels chambered for 22 long rifle?

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I would be interested in knowing how to Identify a unmarked Pope barrel, with photos I cant help but think that the number of people who can identify a unmarked Pope barrel is quite small.


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Originally Posted By: grogel
I would be interested in knowing how to Identify a unmarked Pope barrel, with photos I cant help but think that the number of people who can identify a unmarked Pope barrel is quite small.


I think anyone who has spent any time around Pope barrels could easily identify a Pope barrel marked or not. I would not have any idea how to post photos that would help. About thirty-five years ago when I became interested in the schuetzen rifle I thought that I might study the work of men like Niedner, Pope, Zischange, Schoyen and other barrel makers. I traveled when I could and viewed different collections and any big show that would have a lot of Schuetzen rifles. The turning point or I should say when other things took my interest was a trip to Gerald Kelvers. Do you have a copy of "Respectfully Yours, H.M. Pope" by Kelver? If so look at the rifle on page 14 & 225.


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In answer to "How common are .22 LR Pope barrels?", I have kept track of the ones I have either owned or considered buying over the years. 8/18 H M Pope barrels were .22 rimfire, it looks as if one of those was actually .22 short as the twist was 1:25. Stevens Pope .22s are a little less frequent with 6/24 .22 rim, again with one a short. The percentages seem reasonable to me given that the Stevens Pope barrels are from the early 1900s while Pope continued making barrels for several more decades. My "most recent" was made in 1935, but I am sure there are others made later than that. I have yet to find one on a Winchester 52, but they must exist.

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Does that count your S&W?

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My Friends Pope-Stevens in .22 Short.


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