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Sorry, in Russian, when you use word Well after word Bad, well means nothing good 
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Wards target gun is reviewed in detail in G. Boothroyds book. Shotguns and Gunsmiths, pages 46-49. The main difference in grades appears to be;the amount of engraving , the way the fences are shaped and on the best grade there is a curved back on the action rather than straight.In short the differences appear to be cosmetic.
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Guys, sorry for late response. The followings cartridges were used, (In my earlier post I mentioned mistakenly these as 67.5mm instead of 70mm/2-3/4) 1-Shaheen 2-3/4 No. 4 Load 31 gms velocity 300 m/sec 2-Shaheen Super 2-3/4 No. 4 Load 36 gms velocity 320 m/sec 3-Sellier & Bellot Lord 2-3/4 No. 4 Load 36 gms velocity 370 m/sec We have bad experience of S&B Lord and MK III shells. These often behave like a sort of mis-fire. It happens many times that a hollow crack is heard resulting pellets falling within 5 yards and wad stuck in the barrel. This is not experienced in their older paper shells! See below a similar wad stuck & recovered from a barrel a couple of days back, 
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I really appreciate the "heads up" on the hardly used terminology. I hope that U.S. gun dealers don't pick up on this original rhetoric. I have a hardly used Parker for sale for a reasonable price. It is so hardly used that the finish is almost gone!
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I don't see that this gun looks any worse then the wall hangers Sherman Bell is running proof loads through in the last couple of issues of The Double Gun Journal. I vote for obstruction. However, I can also see some merit in the argument of a very thin area streaching beyond its elastic limit with each firing getting to the point of metal fatigue and the burst.
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Saad, your new information raises a whole new possibility. SEE, or secondary explosion effect is a well-documented phenomenon primarily applying to metallic cartridges. It is generally associated with low velocity / pressure loads made up with relatively slow-burning powders, loaded substantially below maximum.
Very basically, the powder starts to burn, pushes the bullet down the bore, pressure falls, burning slows or nearly stops, then almost the whole charge burns very fast or nearly detonates. I can easily envision this happening occasionally with blooper loads, although I cannot cite a proven example IN A SHOTGUN LOAD.
Whether it was a stuck wad or possibly SEE is of academic interest only. It seems virtually certain that the failure was caused by one of the blooper loads.
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Saad, I think you've solved your own mystery. The bore obstruction crowd would seem to be vindicated.
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Aha.... the famous S & B blooper loads that leave wads stuck in the barrel.
Bore obstruction. The barrel walls may be thin, but it was a wad stuck in the barrel that did the dirty deed. It may be that S & B owes you a new barrel set.
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Texas Declaration of Independence 1836 -The Indictment against the dictatorship, Para.16:"It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."
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Thanks to all again. @Greg So should I write to S&B for barrel replacement?  By the way is there any kind of repair possible to these barrels? Is sleeving possible? Or the damaged barrel only could be replaced?
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Saad:
I do not know what the laws or customs of Pakistan in regards to defective products. It likely would not hurt to ask. I suspect their response is that your gun was old, and you cannot prove that it was their shell that injured it. It is possible that they might pay for a repair just to foster goodwill, but I do not know. I would take that up with a representative of their Pakistani Distributor.
The blown barrel can be replaced by sleeving. Whether or not the gun is worth the cost, I have no idea. To have one barrel sleeved in this country, with relaying the ribs and re-blacking would likely run in the 1000-1500 range, or possibly more. I assume that you have talented English trained gunsmiths available to you, and perhaps it can be done more cheaply where you live. Again, I have no idea.
You might be able to find a barrel set from another Ward's gun, and have them fitted. Again, you will just have to see.
Good Luck. Please tell us what happens, I think everyone would like to know how you fare.
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GKT
Texas Declaration of Independence 1836 -The Indictment against the dictatorship, Para.16:"It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments."
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