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Originally Posted By: JDW
"Name that member that gave ya the run around B Dudley,if its 100 years old its an antique !"

I believe the law states for an antique gun to be free of any licensing it has to be before 1899, therefore a 100 year old gun is still under license from FFL. To be eligible for a C&R the gun has to be 50 years.


Plus 1. Out the guy. He's an idiot.

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May be its because a C & R FFl is supposed to be a non business personal collection thing , and you are advertisinmg here as BMD Gunstocks. That sounds like a business that needs a 01 dealer type of FFl.

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I didn't want to do this right off the bat, but as I suspected there are many members that are with me on this.

The user is (removed). A fairly new member as well.

I was working out a deal on a trade with him for an old SxS. Not technically an Antique, but 110% a C&R gun.

So if anyone sees anything for sale by this member, keep in mind that he will not honor your C&R and neither will his FFL.

I even quoted the ATF language regarding the subject and recomended that it would be a good udea that he get one too. But it fell on deaf ears.

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You do hear it quite often. I never could see why anyone, especially another 01FFL would refuse to sell to an 03FFL,,but they do. I guess that 'fee' issue is paramount is some peoples minds.

Pre- 1899 for Federal Antique Status,,but some like NJ don't recognize it. NY doesn't recognize it for cartridge handguns in most all instances.

B. Dudley,,Do you not have an 01FFL for the Gun Stock Business?,, or do you not take the actual firearms in at all for stock work to be done.

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Guns made IN 1898 or before are antiques.

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If I remember right, that guy might have had some "issues" with another seller here as well. Maybe a different guy but I don't think so.

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This discussion brings to mind a question I have had regarding 'antiques' and C&R eligible firearms. If a gun is pre-1898 according to a serial number list someone has published, but was in production later than 1898, say a Lefever for example (made till 1916), are we safe in calling it an 'antique' and direct shipping it? Same question applies to a C&R gun which dates back 50years according to a list in someone's book, but which might still be in production, an Ithaca 37 for example...Geo

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An "antique firearm" and a C&R eligible firearm are two different things. An antique firearm (manufactured before 1898) can be shipped to anyone. The BATF&E has a published list of all C&R eligible firearms which run right up to at least the middle of the 20th century in manufacture date but must comply in design to certain BATF&E established criteria.

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I don't think the BATF watches it that close, George. I bought a I. Hollis , some years ago, from McDonald's Gunshop in Australia. They said it would clear as a pre-1898 gun, it was a damascus double, and shipped it USPS. i didn't question them. Everything went A-O.K.

No problema.

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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Same question applies to a C&R gun which dates back 50years according to a list in someone's book, but which might still be in production, an Ithaca 37 for example...Geo


George, It's the age of the individual gun, not the model line. I suppose there are Winchester 94s that are antique, C&R, and modern.

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