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Eightbore - When you make reference to the "BH" are you referring to the "Gold Hearts" gun?
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Dean, I corrected the grade of #117432 to BHE. The Gold Hearts gun is a lowly DH.
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We found ten Lancaster shotguns and rifles made for Annie Oakley in the Charles Lancaster ledger books. Most had been returned for refurbishment at least once. Oakley’s use of Lancaster guns and a testimonial letter from her were marketed by the firm. Does anyone have the stock dimensions of Annie's guns (Parkers?)
The reason I ask is that I own a gun that was allegedly used by Annie when she visited a friend here in England, shooting Game.
Now I know many gunmakers proclaimed Annie used there products because of her celebrity status.
My interest is in trying to tie in the gun with the particular estate where she visited. My gun was I believe manufactured in 1906 and it is my belief Annie was still visiting here up until 1920.
Any help with information about Annie Oakley would be greatly appreciated.
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Wow. American Annie guns sell for six figures in the USA. I wonder if such glamour is attributed to Lancaster guns in the UK?
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Wow. American Annie guns sell for six figures in the USA. I wonder if such glamour is attributed to Lancaster guns in the UK? Doubtful
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The "gun being researched", referred to in post #582731, is a Parker with stock dimensions exact to the sixteenth to Annie's Lancaster dimensions. It has a full "pigeon" breech with no extension rib and large gold balls on each side of the rib like appeared on her Remington automatic. I didn't post the serial number and the gun has never gone to auction or been sold since its "outing". It was shipped to Newark on March 8,1902 and possibly shot at the 1902 Grand American at Live Birds which I believe was held in early April, 1902. The weight of the gun conforms to the ounce to the pigeon rules of the day and was apparently ordered to conform to those rules. Press writings of the time put Annie in the hospital recovering from her accident at the time of the April Grand. However, she attended and performed well at the Grand American at Live Birds so she must have recovered enough to shoot "her new gun". To add a bit of additional controversy to this thread, the 4E Ithaca mentioned by Drew is way off of Annie's drops at heel and comb and was certainly not ordered for her. I'm not sure whether that gun has surfaced or is still undiscovered. If Annie's name is on the Ithaca order and the gun surfaces, it will probably sell for an astronomical figure like some of the Parkers that were not made for her but are identified as hers in auction ads. The single trap gun that appears in her hands in photos about that time is a Parker. It has not surfaced or been identified as far as I know.
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Reverend Drew, thank you so much for confirming Annie's performance in the 1902 Grand American at Live Birds. You are the "man" in the documentation of old competition shoots. As far as I know, the single barrel picture is the only one with Annie holding a Parker. I would kill for a picture of Annie with the "Gold Hearts Gun", but I'm not holding my breath.
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Annie at the 1902 GAH ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Shooters/Annie-Oakley/i-zcZS9Pb/0/3be4405a/L/SophronaJohnstonGAH1902-L.jpg)
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Drew, what is the source of the pictures and text above? There seems to be a mix of the Live Bird shoot and the GAH at targets. The Interstate Park was mentioned as well as the Live Bird event that was held on a different date in Kansas City. I would like to find a clearer picture of Annie shooting a double gun, a rarity in Annie Oakley collectibles.
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