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I’m currently collecting Limey gunmakers trade marks for a potential article. (See below.) Please send me any not listed. Thanks.
MARK MAKERS WHERE FOUND
Thomas Bland B inside a diamond, a bee composite butt plate
BSA piled arms
William Ford “The Eclipse Gun” in a crescent
W. W. Greener elephant
Alexander Henry A. H. (initials)
Arthur Howell running ostrich
Robert Jones shooting star
Robert Lisle tiger inside of trigger guard
Ward & Sons target
Thomas Woodward comet
Webley & Scott winged bullet
John Wilkes JW monogram trade label
W & C Scott crenulated tower action flats
W. R. Pape open pin fire action outside of trigger guard
James Purdey J. P. & S.
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Holloway & Co has a skull
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Here's one for you. W.S. Riley's trademark was an Eagle? with a banner saying "Nothing Without Labour". 
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William Palmer Jones------W.P.J
Webley and Scott----------three different marks with bullet with wings
Westley Richards--------W.R.
Hollis Bentley and Playfair----Special Steel written around a Circle with a Dot in middle
Westley Richards----Oval within an oval with Anson and Deeley on top and Patent on bottom and use no. in middle
G and S Holloway ----H before serial no.
John Dickson---Oval with J D & S on top half, use no. in middle, and Patent below
Robert Balderson has book Official Guide to Gunmarks that is more helpful with marks for other than Britain.
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Douglas,
Whitworth.----- Wheatsheaf.[ On guns and barrels]
Thomas Wild.--- Ace of Spades
Daniel Fraser.- Multi turreted castle surrounded by ,DF &Co.
Purdey- Also used;- Four bullets forming a slanted cross
Rose-----------Found on damascus/twist barrel guns by many makers.Trade mark of Rose Brothers of Birmingham and Hales-Owen near Birmingham.Makers of patent twist and damascus shotgun and rifle barrels.
Cartridge cases marketed by many gunmakers/sellers and their company letter heads also provide a clue as to their trade marks.
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Midland Gun Company 'Demon'.
Thomas Wild was actually an ace of spades with the heart, diamond and club marks within it.
Thomas Bland also used, on the butt plate, a Gamekeeper with dog and a gun under his arm but only on the 'Keeper's' gun model.
Come on Doug, the word 'Limey' went out in the early 19th century along with the use of the word 'Colonial'. :-) I'll have a look for more. I do have a photo of the Tiger trade mark on the trigger guard bow of a Robert Lisle gun of Derby if it would help illustrate your article. Lagopus.....
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Dear Mr.Smith
Many thanks for pointing out the typo in my book Birmingham Gunmakers. As you might imagine there are many more. I have taken to annotating my copy as I come across them.
Please forgive me if I have offended by using the now politically incorrect term “Limey.” I promise never to refer to you as a “Brummie.”
I have noticed you have consistently offered extensive knowledge of the Birmingham gun trade on the DGJ website. As I mentioned to another Canadian resident recently you are the one who should have written the definitive Birmingham book. It is an unfortunate irony that writers are rarely knowledgeable while the knowledgeable can rarely write. Would you consider a collaborative effort on some aspect of British gunmaking?
A. Geordie Limey
PS Did you know Val Forget?
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Westley Richards' trade mark was a simple triangle.
Doug, one book that does need writing is one on the Midland Gun company of Birmingham. They turned out a huge ammount of stuff in both their name and as a trade manufacturer with their guns having the names of a great many others. Sadly all the records were lost to bombing. Lagopus.....
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Many thanks to ALL who contributed to this thread.
Douglas Tate
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Doug, this is the Robert Lisle of Derby one:  Will your research take the form of a book or a magazine article? If in book form I would be most interested. Lagopus.....
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