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I have a nice sxs Charles Daly Superior grade 12ga made in Italy coined engraved boxlock 3in very nice high gloss wood. 4 or 5 choke tubes. My question is how do I determine if it was made by Beretta. Will the markings on the water table tell me this if i can find the symbol/mark of Beretta. Any input is appreciated. I forgot to add it has a single nonselect trigger.

Most likely ,it was made by Marocchi as my Italian Daly is.

Yes, the markings will tell, please post pictures
like these



Mike

Beretta is not on the Charles Daly Empire. It is the only model made by Beretta and was made between 1968-71. There was a later Empire SXS also made in Italy, but not by Beretta.

But people who know Berettas, know the 68-71 Empire was made by Beretta.

Here is one.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Charles-Daly-Empire-20-ga.cfm?gun_id=100134660

Far as I know, what 2holer posted is right on the money. The gun he linked is a carbon copy of mine, listed in the for sale section (except mine's a 12). Every one of the Beretta-made Daly Empires I've seen had the same features: PG, nonselective ST, semi-BT with a roller-type release, low vent rib. They also have a PB in an oval on the barrel flats, which is the Beretta maker's mark.

There's nothing out there more confusing than the whole Daly mess. There are, of course, the superb Prussian Dalys. And then, in the more modestly-priced category (but still nice guns), you have Miroku-made Dalys and the Beretta-made Daly Empire Grade. As 2holer said, there are other Italian-made Dalys not by Beretta, as well as Daly sxs made in Spain. And prior to WWII, there were Daly-marked, Merkel-looking OU's made in Belgium that look a whole lot like Francottes. Confusing.

I am out of town right now and don't have access to the gun but will post pictures when I get home. I think the gun is a nice one or at least it looks like a good gun, but I guess using it and seeing how it hlds up is really the determining factor.

The gun 2holer linked is very similar to Beretta's GR3. Here's another discussion on them: http://www.uplandjournal.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard312a/ikonboard.cgi?act=Print;f=1;t=47901

Lot of people selling the Daly Beretta try to say it is the same as the the GR3. The only difference is the GR3 has more engraving and selective trigger; other than that, the same gun. I have owned both.

.They both came out at the same time; 1968.

2holer, I think the VR on the Daly is another difference. But it is definitely the same basic gun.