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I had a friend bring over a lovely W.C. Scott Premier last night for bore measuring. Unfortunately, the gun was non-concentric to the absolute extreme and the wall thickness of the barrels about 12" from the breech, nearest to the bottom rib was only .018".

The question is: If a marginally similar barrel design could be found on say a pristine D-grade W.C. Scott for $2000, could that donor gun's vintage damascus barrels be fitted to the Scott Premier? Can non-Scott fluid steel barrels be modified and fit to the gun?

Basically, I'm trying to ascertain if there are any options out there besides:

1. Sleeving the gun
2. Lining the gun (which may not be an option with Teague any longer)
3. Full length tube inserts
4. $8000-$16000 for a new set of barrels to be made.

If it is possible to modify and fit vintage barrels to a gun, any idea of the cost? Is this a $2000 job or a $6000 job, if at all?

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There are so many variables to consider here, but the short answer would be yes, it is possible to fit an existing set of barrels from one gun to another. Techniques such as laser & tig welding would be an invaluable tool for such a task.

What year is this Scott Premier?
What type of Premier is it, Hammer, Hammerless?
What type of Action? Treble grip?
Damascus? Steel?
Rib Extension or not?

#1. If this Premier is a treble grip gun...My thought is the barrels of the donor gun would have to come off of another Scott made gun using the same type of action, due the quirky cocking system used, along with the rib extension. At the very least...the job would include a rib relay (premier ribs over to the donor gun) and a fitting job that will require the services of a laser or very talented tig welder to build up the low spots. Probably expect to pay in the neighborhood of $2000 on up for this job.


#2. The cost of new barrels would take that option out of the equation..unless the gun was something extremely special like a Extra Special Premier, then it might be worth it.

#3. If you found a set of donor barrels, another option would be to use the parts off of the original guns barrels and transfer them to the donor set. Parts like...the lump, the forend hanger, ribs and rib extension. The lump would have to be fitted and brazed in place, as would the rib extension. The ribs and forend hanger relayed. Then all of this would have to be refitted to make it work. I could only imagine the talents of a laser welder would come into play here to build up spots that needed more meat and so on and so forth. Quite the task, and to be honest, I've never heard of it being done. It is quite possible though. I could only imagine that the price would be astronomical.

Full length tube inserts would work, but nobody really likes those.

Sleeving would obviously be the more practical solution, with Teagues not doing the lining anymore, sleeving is probably the right way to go to save the old Premier. If done right....it'll look ok and the gun will have a new lease on life.

Dustin


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This gun might pass proof 'as is' for light loads, such as RST's. It might be worthwhile to send it over the pond to have proofed and if it passes, great, if not, have something else done such as teague, sleeve, etc and ship back home??


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Like Buzz said the gun should be fine for light loads. I don't think you can build any value into this gun.

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Dustin, I smell a money pit in the making. And the end result is most probably going to be less than satisfactory. Most likely far more will be spent on "fixing" it than the whole gun will be worth. Suggest you leave it as is. The gun could probably handle RST's forever without any problem. At 12" there's not much pressure to worry about. Much as I hate sleeving, if any alteration is done I'd go that route. Least cost and least problems encountered. (Oh, I probably shouldn't have posted--I'm sure no expert, except for often stumbling into the dreaded "money pit")


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Incidentally, I looked into this same gun for myself at William Larkin Moore. Dan and Dave stated (in writing) the gun had minimum wall thicknesses of .021"/.022" but it measured up on my wall thickness gauge at .018"/.022". So I guess my gauge conveniently lies half the time or WLM was a bit over enthusiastic about their right bore measurements.

It needs a rebrown so I'd imagine the gun will end up finished out at .017" when its done.

It's a truly beautiful gun so I hope something can be done for the old girl. I told the owner to call Teague and beg/plead/cry in the hopes he'd line it for him even though he claims he's done with lining guns. The damascus pattern is externally spectacular so it would be an ideal candidate for lining.

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Oh, and to answer LeFusil's questions:

The gun is a Hammerless gun. It was made in 1890. Damascus barrels. Black Powder proofs. Chambers opened to 2-3/4". Never passed a second time through the proof house after initial proof in 1890. Excellent external metal finish. Replacement stock of reasonable quality. Ejectors. Third bite.

Not sure if it is a Triplex action. I'd need to check my references to ascertain that. It is a bar action gun with "modern style" side locks, not the ducks bill design.

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Here's pics of the gun if someone can ascertain the action type from them:

http://www.williamlarkinmoore.com/product_details.asp?id=3270

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One option is to look for some damascus barrels with similar pattern and good wall thickness as a donor and have it sleeved with them.

Another option is the half length subgauge inserts. They reduce the increased inertia (tubed guns feel way too heavy/slow swinging to me). A set of half length 20g tubes firing a 7/8 oz load at 1200 fps should give as much utility to that old gun as needed.

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With walls below .020, I'd recommend not shooting the gun. In my opinion (granted, that doesnt mean much) the stated wall thickness' are just a bit too thin for comfort. I value my eyes and hands a little to much to risk shooting a gun with that amount of meat. If its still within the 3 day inspection period, send it back. Mr. Wood hits it on the head.... its money pit.

Dustin

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