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#274499 04/09/12 02:28 PM
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Not sure the pictures will come up, but a friend has a drilling that, what appears to be a tapered pin, is backing out. Before tackling this, the rule: "Do No Harm" comes to mind. Any suggestions?

[img]http://https://picasaweb.google.com/110714736451772616423/Pictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIe9t8jAn52SEg#5729465324484350066[/img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m3nq19mqje0/T4MmYzKrcCI/AAAAAAAAAAw/eqygjDp1ADQ/s720/drilling.jpg
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If the object is to keep it in place for now, I'd put a drop of blue Loc-Tite at both ends, tap it back into place and wait 24 hours. That may be all that it needs.

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Screw on the receiver plate was a half turn loose too. Tappped the pin in with brass hammer and all is good, thanks Kensal.

Couple of the attached aren't too clear, but can anyone see any info on the gun I can forward on. My guess it is a German 'guild' gun, what without any sort of maker's name.

https://picasaweb.google.com/11071473645...465394412197618



https://picasaweb.google.com/11071473645...465445907324050

https://picasaweb.google.com/11071473645...465419889853314


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It's a Roux type underlever drilling made in Suhl in late 1923. An image of the marks just forward of the lug will tell the tale. It has the ledger number that Suhl used from the time in 1923 that they began dating to early 1924. Why they abandoned the practice I cannot say. Interesting side-frame reinforcement. Can we get a glimpse of the hingepin?

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I have it clone apart waiting for a fireing pin. The one I am redoing is finished to a mirror finish on the lock parts and nicly engraved. Anyone know the logic for the mirror finish. I have heard rumors of rust prevention and stress riser prevention.
I have a J P Saur shotgun and it is also finished to mirror inside. They make a Parker look like a turd!

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Scratches can sometimes, not always, act as a stress riser. High polish eliminates this possibility, although 400 grit is most likely sufficient. Matte finish should retain oil better than high polish, but you gotta admit "shiny" sure makes a craftsmanlike impression; in direct competition with engine turned.

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Sort of resembles an August Schüler Model 12, but other makers/firearms merchants like F.W. Keßler offered something similar.


At least the lower tube was made by Louis Kelber and the encircled initials H.S. direct compensation and liability to that mechanic. Seems highly probable that the components were sourced from the Zella-Mehlis craftsmen and assembled in Suhl. As Axel has noted many times, the competition between the Suhl & Zella-Mehlis mechanics was fierce to say the least. I don't think the Suhl proof facilities would accept a sporting weapon with a Zella-Mehlis address nor would the Zella-Mehlis proof facility accept a sporting weapon with a Suhl address. But I believe by law that the Suhl facility had to accept submissions from all the Suhl address and the Zella-Mehlis facility had to accept all Zella-Mehlis addresses. And it may have been the friction between the 2 that forced the situation of having 2 proof facilities within such close proximity.

Anyway, there were several H.S. mechanics and until some ledger or supervisor's notebook is found that the specific craftsman will be obscured for a time.

Some possibilities are:

H. Schaller
Heinrich Scharfenberg - possibly active a bit later
H. Schilling - tube maker
Max Heinrich Stoll - tube maker - prime suspect
and I'm sure there were others.

With the low serial number, it for sure wasn't one of the larger Suhl concerns, so it was a firm that began, or was reorganized after WWII. I don't think small concerns were under the same weapons production rules as the larger ones, less Simson & Company.

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A few more references including Axel's info on the Roux drilling moniker:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post219150


from: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post262192

Another with a unique trigger patent: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post233869

Encircled H.S. initials on Robert Griffith Owen offering: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post230732


Rookhawk's - http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=214716&page=1

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Gotthilf v. Nordheim, Mehlis with Krupp tubes sourced from Liege; whale of a 1st name. In 1907 his telephone number was 34.
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=257194&page=1




Maybe the earliest script EH/EK that I've seen. Note the LLH. I assume the other tubes were sourced from LLH also:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/art...aurent%20gb.htm

So with this type Krupp steel type stamp, Prima Krupp Stahl, it just may be that it denotes a Liege sourced tube.

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