doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Almost lost my lunch today!

For ALL guns you hit the nail right on the head 2128........just look at the ads on all the gun sale sites and it's full of destroyed vintage guns that were "butchered" to meet someones "short term" fancy.........the prices for the butchered guns are always in the tank and they still don't sell".......... funny how they all say, "and I will never sell it so I don't care"............ ........Remember the "Why Do People Butcher Barrels" thread and all the emotions flying around......bottom line is, once you grind it up, cut it up, that's all she wrote.......



I think I'll OPEN 'ER UP A LITTLE BIT....... Grouse Hunter Specials with telephone booth chokes and the second one with cut barrels, the third one is just plain butt ugly .....they wondered why they didn't sell... duh......

In my growing up (1950's) all the men in the family hunted and shot and used the chokes and the shotguns (mainly Model 12's) just as they were when they left the factory in Conn. I can remember some of the really screwy variable choke gizmos from those days- Shooting Master-Jarvis-Weaver-- so if you were missing birds, just change the choke setting on the "steam whistle" out on the end of the muzzle. Granted, some choke devices were well made- the Cutts came from Col. Cutts and his design to cut the muzzle jump on the short barreled Thompson SMG's in .45ACP--but all were as ugly on an otherwise fine-lined Model 12 as home made poop! Now today, the SC Yuppies that are gadget crazy, have to have all the tubes, battery driven wrenches, etc. they can haul around-

To me, the hallmark of a good experienced wingshot (NOT clays) is how well he can kill birds awing with a tightly choked 12 bore- if the bird disintegrates in mid-flight from a snug pattern, that is a "bell weather" that his lead, gun mount, trigger timing and follow-through are "Top Notch' and no 'slop' from the cylinder bores some (yes- George Bird Evans and Mikey McIntosh recommended at times in their writing years)- I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the late Nash Buckingham's 12 bore shotguns had snug chokes- and not just the famous Burt Becker Magnums either!!

MY GOD! I don't know which is more unbelievable; That the knucklehead owner fitted out BOTH guns with the screw in chokes or that another knucklehead spent $185,000 buying them.

A question I too have been pondering since originally finding the photos. I did like it though, because it was a great example of doing anything you wanted with the interior of the case.

It seems to be the goal of the "under 50" "Shooting Sportsmen", (if you can call them that!), to screw up as many fine old double guns (Model 21s and others) as they can, thus destroying then for anyone down the road!
What a bunch of self-centered DAs!

Cultural Gapitis -- notable in about any field of interest, nowadays.

"It's all about me. The world revolves around me. Everything in the world should subject to my whim, and that Rembrandt in corner needs a fresh coat of paint."

Western Civ has done took a severe nose-dive, gents, as the examples you cite nauseatingly illustrate. The sense of culture and history that you represent is obsolete as a Gibbs-Farqueson .303 down at the Plastic Gun Matches.

I do, however, keep an appropriately representative mid-Century Poly-choked firearm: a 20 ga Mossberg bolt action, in steel and walnut. It's presence reminds me of where and when a great many of us started, in this life-long and integral part of our identity.

It's surprisingly handy, too, for all it's screamingly contradictory aesthetics. A determined kid could learn to effectively shoot skeet with one: did, in fact.

You have justification for your disgust and anger, but the New Techno-Barbarianism is simply a fact of ongoing history. We and our quaint artifacts may become a curiosity unreachable as the Titanic: 'long time gone'.

I suppose if porting and screw-in chokes had been available in the 20's and 30's we would be seeing a lot of Parkers and other doubles with these "improvements" today. People just love technology and can't wait for an excuse to own/use it.I've stopped with a cell phone and electricity as far as being a slave to the newest gadgets.....ok, the "GraverMeister" is nice as are diamond hones and the MMC checkering tool and I guess I couldn't live without the....

I often get the gag reflex while looking @ 21's..haha.:)
Sorry just a bit of fun from the other side, no harm meant, to you or your taste in guns...honest.
Cheers
franc

I have a model 21 duck I bought in '84 with the $$ I saved by quiting smoking two $1 a day packs of cigarettes. It was to be the end all duck gun. When steel was mandated I foolishly had it opened to ic mod to handle steel. Two shots was not enough so I I went to a BPS. ( I did not alter my 3" model12) what is done is done and since I can never sell the gun since it probably saved my life by making me stay off the fags. What do I do with it now? Hate to just leave it in the safe for the remainder of my life, so I occasionally think about having flush tubes installed. What say yea?

It seems very presumptuous for anyone to try to tell another shotgun owner how to treat his own shotgun. If he wants ports or choke tubes, that is HIS choice.

I do agree that these additions are ill-advised, and detract from resale value. But lets not get carried away with telling someone what he can or cannot do to his shotgun, or his car, or his house!

JERRY