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Now would somebody please open a window?

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"I stated to you on November 22, and again here on February 10, that I was not looking for anything from you. I stand by those statements. For these reasons, and for the reasons, which Sharpsrifle has so very ably delineated above, I will keep the case."

Mr. Vella,

I think you misunderstood my offer. I offered to make you absolutely whole for all your expenses including the duties you paid, and the cost of returning the case to me (which amounts to more than the cost of a new case as quoted somewhere else in this thread), but the case must be returned.

I did not offer to pay you $400 plus to restore, customize and keep the case you bought from me for $295. The day you got the case, you requested $100 from me to reline it and at that time I declined because I had no reason to believe that the case needed relining. This seems to be the consistent thread throughout. I now believe, even more strongly than I ever did, that it was your intention to at least restore and probably to customize the case from day 1.

I never hid from you or anyone else the fact that the case arrived a week later than it should have due to my error in judgement, and I did apologize up front for that and offered to essentially pay your shipping cost via a store credit. Would have sent you a check if you had countered with that, but since you are in CA and I am in US, checks are awkward.

Since you continue to decline to return the case, we are done.

Gentlemen, draw you own conclusions from Mr Vella's response.

I rest my "case".




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Mr Gould, It is you who misunderstands me. "I hereby accept your offer of a 100% refund as full and total restitution for all past inconveniences and costs." Perhaps this is ambiguous. What I mean is that I accept the offer itself, not the money!

What I mean is that the fact that you finally offered, is satisfaction enough for me. I keep the case, you keep your money. I'm not sure that it's possible to say it any more plainly than that! I tried my damnedest to close this thing with some civility. You just don't seem to want to stop casting aspersions on my character. Have a nice life!

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Yes I did misunderstand. I interpreted your response literally. I apologize for that. Can we call this quits now?


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How deep in doublegunhq's grave now?


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How deep in doublegunhq's grave now? Refund Vella's money and we can quit. However your reputation is in the Toilet.


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ALL STOP. NOW PLEASE.

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Way to go gentlemen!

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I ran across this thread over the weekend. Must have perceptively screened it before. I read most all of it. Too bad about the whole situation. Some reason, shooters can be a stubborn bunch. I have no dog in this fight (which sounds to be resolved). But:
A few weeks ago a gun broker I have done business with in the past offered to sell me a Philly Fox SW 16 restored with new case color, the whole nine yards. Though I have bought many shotguns in my life and own some dandys, I am somewhat new to this old double game. I asked a question to this board about how to tell if redone case color was right or a torch job or some other problem.
Russ Gould responded and I ended up in direct communication with him. I forwarded pics of the gun to him. He was helpful, gracious and gave me very good advice (which included buying the superb gun for 1,500 as fast as I could).
He never tried to sell me anything. He never made any kind of pitch and he was generous with his time and knowledge (which is considerable).
Everyone makes mistakes.
Happy trails, Jake (aka Craig Clark)


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Russ I hope to do business with you in the future.
HomelessjOe (aka L.F.Cox)

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