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I was probably in A&F when that gun was on the shelf. At that time, a Knockabout 20 sold for $425, an astronomical price for such a gun. They were not flying off the shelves. There were rows of Knockabouts on the rack from 12 to .410. A sideplated boxlock at $675 was a bit steep also.
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Thanks again to all. Bob;
1mm =.039. The difference between 15.9 & 15.8 is 0.1mm or .0039 roghly 4 thosandths of an inch or an I/C choke. I don't off hand recall for certain that is the proper interpretation of those two marks for this time frame. At some point in time it seeems as if the Belgians stamped the bore dia when it came in for proisional proof & then re-stamped it at final proof. Finishing up & polishing the bores could account for this .1mm difference. Choke then would simply mean it is not a cyl bore but has some unstated amount of choke. How about the *S?
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I was probably in A&F when that gun was on the shelf. At that time, a Knockabout 20 sold for $425, an astronomical price for such a gun. They were not flying off the shelves. There were rows of Knockabouts on the rack from 12 to .410. A sideplated boxlock at $675 was a bit steep also. My 1936 A&F catalog shows a Knockabout with ejectors at $175, a 20E at $275. They were never cheap guns, for sure. When you consider that A&F offered the Parker DHE at $186.50 in the same catalog, the Fox CE at $117, the Elsie Specialty at $118.50, and the Ithaca NID 4E at $130, it gives you an interesting basis for comparison.
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So how about those chokes?
What's the conventional wisdom on choke designations, markings, etc?
Thank you.
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"CHOKE" means there is choke in the barrel. The lack of that mark means there is no choke in that barrel. My 28 gauge is cylinder and improved cylinder by micrometer. It has one barrel marked "CHOKE"
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The only way to truly know what you've got choke wise is to have each barrel measured w/ a micrometer, as the results may, or may not, match what (if anything) is stamped on the bbls/gun...
Always looking for small bore Francotte SxS shotguns.
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"CHOKE" means there is choke in the barrel. The lack of that mark means there is no choke in that barrel. My 28 gauge is cylinder and improved cylinder by micrometer. It has one barrel marked "CHOKE" That appears to be the case under Belgian proof rules. Under British proof rules, the lack of the "choke" stamp doesn't necessarily mean cylinder bore, but it does mean not much choke. There might be as much as .007 constriction in a British barrel without the "choke" stamp.
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