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What was the difference between the model 14 and model 18? The 18 you posted certainly is identical to the action, but with more engraving and inlays. It is the first pictures of the same cocking indicators also. This is real progress!
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11(non-scalloped frame), 14, 17(ejectors), 18(Meisterwerk with all you can think of, chopperlump, etc., wadded up in one unit). Don't know about progress but more confusion prior to a consensus. I'm sure the desired info is on this site somewhere, it is just a matter of finding it. Top rib is unique. What is the buttplate?  Subject Sauer  Geno's post of an Modell 18 - #151xxx Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Butt plate is horn with horizontal grooves. Just finished reading the crowns and caveman post of 2010, most interesting! On
the barrel flats there is a 13/1 mark on each side, what does that mean?
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That is a vulgar fraction and notes a diameter. Most of the time a 12 bore will be stamped 13 or 13/1 but I've seen a few that were stamped 11. In 1904/1905 there were articles that stated that S,D&G was sole Sauer agents and that the frames were 1" longer than typical. That's why I was curious as to the frame length.
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I will measure it for you when the frame gets back, the little initial plate in the toe of the butt stock was missing, so it is being replaced.I did measure the distance from barrel hook to face, and that is 43mm, face to end of flats is 58mm. I will also try and get some better pics on the barrel markings.
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Craig:
I think the 58mm answers the question. Thanks to the grand efforts of Hans Pfingsten & John Mann compiled in DGJ Winter 2005 at page 177 notes that typical German doubles from the period measured 48mm while the Daly/Lindner/Sauer boxlock variants were 56mm and their sidelock cousins measured 62mm.
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For "machine-made", pre circa 1925 Sauer long guns are very indivdualistic. In over 30 years looking, I've never seen two exactly alike (even "pairs"). That's a huge statement for a company that had made approximatley 100,000 of them by the turn of the century.
I typically see the cocking indicators seen on Craig's gun photos on Euro-market guns; Americans apparently didnt like or need them(they let more water into the action?).
One thing no one has mentioned; the "shoulders" on the boss coming rearward from the top frame on either side of the toplever pivot. They end abruptly on Sauers whereas Dalys are "typically" (German-gun weasel-word!) filed smooth down to the tang.
It takes years looking at these guns to get a "feel" for them- beyond what the catalogs may or may not say. Jeff Stephens (despite his conviction that it is a "staff" not a club :-) has a that feel.
Never say never with German guns..........
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Additional images     Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, thanks again for posting the additional pics. I think I need to take some photography classes!
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Craig
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Have ordered Jim Cates book, hopefully the wait will not be long, wish we still had Geno and John Mann to help dig through data! They are missed!
Best
Craig
Last edited by Craig Havener; 10/05/12 10:18 AM.
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