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When choke boring became fasionable in England many years ago the proof houses began stamping the bbls "Not for Ball". W W Greener fully explained the reason for this at some point prior to 1910. The reason being it had been common practise to use balls very close to bore size for better accuracy which were too large to pass through the choke. He further explained it was quite OK to shoot solid balls as long as they were sized to pass through the choke. The British proof houses for this reason changed the marking FROM "Not for Ball" to simply "Choke". The standard for round balls loads became of a size which would pass through full chokes & was in universal use in the US for some years until the Foster Slug came on the market. As mentioned it was dimensioned to pass through any normal full choke.
Man; Millions of these have been fired over the ensuing years, there's not much a 74 yr old man could do in one year that would make much of a difference difference. Actually when one is aware of "History" there is little need to re-live it.
If you have some new-fangled slug load & the maker says Do not use in full choke guns, then I would heed the warning. I would have no qualms of using a Foster or Brenneke slug through a full choke as long as the shell was loaded to an acceptable pressure level for the gun at hand. Its been done for more years than I care to remember. Personally I prefer a good rifle & would only use a slug at all if in an area where the law required it. When dealing with powder and shot, One should follow instructions and not get the notion, to make ones own potion. Cause the results can be terribly hot.
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I've always thought the seldom-seen Hession model 21 foreend one of the most attractive foreends on a SXS.
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Bob,
I always enjoy seeing your picture of the 21's.
I would love to find a 20 ga Mdl 21 that weighs 6# with double triggers ! ! ! !
Thanks I don't mean to be too negative, but good luck in your quest. That will be tough. When this early 21 came up for sale, it was a Cabel's offering. I bought it knowing it would be a long time before I saw another.
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I don't have Schwing's book in front of me at the moment (babysitting the Grandies), but I thought all Skeet (and Trap) grade guns had the Hessian forend
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As a non-hunter I have little use for a Model 21 field gun.
But for those who will use them in the field it must be very rewarding.
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I don't have Schwing's book in front of me at the moment (babysitting the Grandies), but I thought all Skeet (and Trap) grade guns had the Hessian forend No, the hession is very nice, sleek, but rare. They are out there, but not on every skeet or trap grade, for sure. I'm not very fond of the older, bulky beavertail. Many improvements were made later in these forearms.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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I have a st grip Tournament grade 20 gauge with double triggers AND ejectors. Have not weighed it but bet it is over 6#.
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I have a st grip Tournament grade 20 gauge with double triggers AND ejectors. Have not weighed it but bet it is over 6#. Post a picture, I bet it's a real beauty!
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Bob,
I always enjoy seeing your picture of the 21's.
I would love to find a 20 ga Mdl 21 that weighs 6# with double triggers ! ! ! !
Thanks David Trevallion once told me he could take a 21 and turn it into a sleek, light weight gun. One way would be to mill out the action flats like Win did with their .410 bore 21's. You could also backbore the barrels to some degree to lessen weight and take a little weight out of the forearm. Of course, this would KILL collector value, but it might be a good project for a 'shooter' to get the weight of a 20 or 16 less than 6 lbs. I would only try such a thing on a real rough specimen, a 'project' gun, but I think by customizing, one could make a lighter 21.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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You know, there are a lot easier ways to come up with a 6lb double than paying a craftsman to fire up his mill and go after a model 21.
Just sayin'.
Best,
Ted
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