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I recently picked up one of the grade 2, NID magnum framed, 3" 12 gauges and had a few question I hope the experts could answer. I was wondering how many inches long the chokes usually were on those. This one has 30" barrels and the chokes are 3" long. I've read the 10 gauges had 32 or 34" barrels.
Also, this one has a Hawkins shotgun recoil pad, would the Ithaca Starburst pad be more appropriate? The Hawkins is in good shape.

One other non magnum Ithaca question. I have a Flues grade 3 16 gauge. One of the early Krupp steel lightweights. It is missing the recoil pad. The dimensions of the small starburst pad from Galazans are still quite a bit too big for the butt stock. Has anyone tried to install the small starburst on a butt with 4 3/8" x 1 3/8" dimensions? Thank you.

I think that the Ithaca sunburst pad was not offered during the Flues era. Depending on when your gun was made, some Jostam pads may have been available, and most certainly the Silvers pad was, as well as the American Silver style by Grieb or Goodrich.

Thanks for the reply, Daryl. The Flues was made in 1912. Most of the other recoil pads on Galazans are pretty big. The Noshoc is a bit smaller than the others. I'll have to check the distance between the screw holes.
The Hawkins on the NID is the diamond heart pattern. It looks like it belongs but I'm not sure if it was available in the mid '30s.

My sources show only the Grieb [American Silvers] and the Silvers available. If you want to be period correct, those are the two. The Silvers is the only one available today as a new pad.

The serial number might turn up the factory specs for that gun

Walt Snyder may have information on the original configuration.

The Ithaca "bridge trestle" pad was introduced in the 1931/32 Ithaca Gun Co. catalogues. However, the Ithaca "bridge trestle" pad of that era didn't come in a large enough size for the the Magnum stocks. The NID Magnums normally got a seven-slot Jostam Anti-Flinch or a Hawkins with the heart-shaped openings. The Hawkins pad with the heart-shaped opening was introduced about 1925.

You can see in this picture that serial number 500000, the Magnum-Ten made for Chas. Askins the Elder, has a Hawkins pad --

Thanks for the replies. I'm not sure which one we're talking about, but the serial number for the 12 is 500,494 and the 16 is 246,631. The 16 is a 3E. That is a wonderfull looking 10 gauge, Researcher. It is tough to tell from that photo if it is the same recoil pad, but this one looks like the original Hawkins diamond heart model on the Galazan's site. If it is the original it has aged well.

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Hawkins was patented in 1919.

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