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#334395 08/13/13 05:39 PM
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Cleaning up the shop I found a couple of Winchester 32 ga shells I forgot I had. Head stamp says Winchester No 32 14 m/m. They are paper hulls #6 shot. I guess my questions are when did Winchester load 32 ga and are they rare?


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Can't be too rare. One just like them is standing in my shell collection. Does it say "W.R.A. New No. 4" on the primer?

UMC began offering the 14 mm shotshells along with the 12 mm/.410-bore shells in 1915 --



I'd imagine Winchester began offering them about the same time.

From the 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalogue --



From the current SoldUSA auction --

http://www.soldusa.com/rainworx/detail.asp?id=53856

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What gauge is an 18 mm shotshell?

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"IF" you are speaking of true diameter then 18mm = .709". 13 gauge = .710", close enough I'd say 13 gauge.
Note that neither the 14mm or 12mm are true sizes for 32 gauge or .410 but are simply "Names". 14mm = .551" (28ga = .550) while a 32 gauge is .526".
12mm = .472" with a .410 being of course .410", not a gauge at all. There have been as I recall some actual 18 gauge guns made whose bores would be a nominal .637"


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UMC loaded a batch of 18 gauge shells for John Browning, ca1905. These were supposedly for his work on a prototype of the autoloading shotgun. There is also a Parker double that was made in 18 gauge.


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To a shell collector, they can be worth a good amount. The last one I sold went for a good price. I think only 2 American manufacturers made a 32g shell. It is still a popular gauge in Europe. It is basically their equal to our .410


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Wonder what those 2" .410 shells with #1 shot would have been used for???

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Originally Posted By: Mike A.
Wonder what those 2" .410 shells with #1 shot would have been used for???


Squirrel and Rabbit. One pellet will kill'em or at least put'em on the ground and you do not get a stew full of lead shots...Geo

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If I'm not mistaken, that 18 gauge Parker was actually a 20 gauge DHE gun with an extra set of 18 gauge barrels. That gun was featured in the DGJ many years ago, and I was priviledged to see and handle it personally several years ago at a gun shop in North Carolina. The 20-gauge barrels have disappeared; but with the gun the owner had one full box of original ammo, and two loose 18-gauge shells (were the gun mine, those two loose rounds would have been empty hulls!). Other than bore size, there was nothing remarkable about this Parker as regards special features or cosmetic appearances; was a very plain DHE overall.

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Miller, I always read your posts, like I do for several others. I bought a double hammer gun in ITALY. It was described as an 18mm gun. My thought , since it was an 1880 gun, what cartridge was it really for ? Seeing the American cartridges described in millimeters made me think there was an obvious answer.

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