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Hi Brittany Man,

Call Dave at Kaltron (Keri's former employer), they have some 1/16 and 1/8 loads of high pheasant and they state they are unsaleable because of the pressure. I don't know if B&P changed the formula but they were hot. Keri put a spec sheet on shotgunworld years ago that published their pressures. Armbrust told me directly that how they measure pressure isn't how we do. He went on about how they measure and it went in one ear and out the other but the point I got from Tom is that they are hotter than we think at first blush.

Count me in for the 1 ounce loads though, best hunting shell ever, I use them in every gun I own regardless of era gun was made. I'm pretty sure the 1 ounce loads are effectively 8500-8900. If true, the additional 16th would make them hot loads indeed as pressure increases quickly as you add lead above an ounce. (E.g. Two identical loads, one an ounce, the other 1-1/8th, 50% more recoil appx)

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Rookhawk,

The 1 1/6 oZ High Pheasant I am using were purchased from the B&P distributor that was pre Kaltron (2003/2004 ?) Don't know if pressure has changed since then or not but no issues to date & it's been my go to 12 ga pheasant load.

In a 6 1/2 lb gun the 1 1/16 oz load is around 19 foot pounds free recoil. Not the lightest recoiling load for sure but not bad for a hunting load that you don't shoot a lot of in a day & it's used in guns between 6 1/2 & 7 1/2 lbs.

I don't know about the pressure issue but unless published data is way, way off base there shouldn't be a problem with anything but 3 ton proofed guns & its a "possibly" with them. B&P's published psi data for "most" of their 12 ga loads is higher than that for the 1 1/16 High Pheasant whatever that may indicate.

I do appreciate your bringing this up so people can make their own decisions & I certainly don't endorse exceeding service pressure recommendations.

I use 7/8 oz or 1 oz loads for target & most hunting but I prefer a little more payload for pheasant & it's tough to find 12 ga 1 1/16 oz or 1 1/8 oz hunting loads in # 5 shot at approx. 1200 fps & appropriate pressures thus my interest in getting the 1 1/16 oz High Pheasant continued.

RST is making a 1 1/4 oz load @ 1200 fps that should be good but I really don't want to go over 1 1/8 oz because of recoil.

If all else fails I can always go back to loading my own to get exactly what I want.

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What about Kent---1 888 311 5368---under their "English Loads"? Some of their 2 1/2-inch 28gr is 6500-7500 psi. Velocity should be reasonable. Their No.5s are great on ducks over decoys and fair bit beyond.

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King,

Kent/Gamebore now only lists # 5 lead as available in their 1 1/4 oz 1350 fps FastLead load which is unacceptable in both terms of recoil & pressure.

I've talked to the factory to confirm this (at least in the USA).

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B & P lists the pressure for the High Pheasant 1 ounce load at 6530 psi and the 1 1/16 ounce load at 8416 psi.

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btdst,

Thank you for the 28 gm / 1 oz High Pheasant pressure data. Now that you've posted it I remember seeing it before. I could only find the 30 gm / 1 1/16 oz in the currently published B&P data for some reason.

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I forgot---lead. I'm using 2 1/2 12g 30gm Kent Impact TM No. 5 fibre shot cup, paper hull, 7500psi. A buddy few years ago laughed at these "pipsqueak" loads, ran out of shells, and I gave him a handful of TM. On his next shot, he made one of the best shots on black duck I've seen, way outside the tollers, and it made a convert of him right there!

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King,
I wondered about the "duck" comment. Good info on the Kent Impact TM though in case I ever want to hunt a no lead upland area of which there are a few.

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Rookhawk - "E.g. Two identical loads, one an ounce, the other 1-1/8th, 50% more recoil appx)"
Are you real sure of that formula? Formula I'm aware of shows an increase of approx. half that going from 1 oz. to 1 1/8 oz, all other things being equal.

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