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Agree with Wild Cattle and Obsessed. My observation was that pre 1900 Holland Royals used a special lump . I think this subject has been discussed before with pics. My Royal was made with two sets of barrels in 1897. Each set is original and uses the Holland lump, not chopper lump.
I think it would not be unlikely that the Royal in question in this thread was originally made with the Holland lump, ca. late 1890s.
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Daryl, Would you mind explaining what a 'Holland Lump' just exactly is and how it differs from the typical 'dovetailed lump'? I, for one am claiming ignorance and would like to know the difference for future reference. I've also heard the term 'shoe lump' and I don't know what that is either. Anyone know what a shoe lump is? Thx for your opinion.
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I've never heard of a Holland Lump. Most of the Shoe Lumps I've seen were used to convert percussion guns to centerfires. I think the platform lump shown here is pretty much the same thing: http://hallowellco.com/lumps.htmBoss & H&H also used dovetails in their best periods. I have no idea why, but they did it. OWD
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Shoe (platform) lumps are quite common on the 1900 era double rifles.
Westley Richards and Webley (i.e Evans, Army Navy, and many other retailers) have used them extensively.
They usually switched to Chopper lumps post 1900 or so.
Shoe lumps are rarely used on shotguns due to the tubes size making the shoe very thin.
The Shoe lump or dovetail lump make it easier to procure and machine raw barrel forgings. Otherwise, you need a left and a right forging.
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I have also owned a pair of Grant SLEs ca 1895, that had an integral lump (IIRC), meaning that the top rib was part of the dovetailed lump, the lump extending between the barrels all the way up.
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buzz, the lumps on my Holland are as WildCattle describes on his 1895 Grant. Like a dovetail, but also going upward between the barrels and including the top rib. I'd take a photo , but camera is packed away as we are leaving for our pheasant opener.
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Thanks Daryl. I can envision in my mind what the Holland lump looks like, but a photo to see sometime would be great. I hope you and your hunting buddies have a great pheasant hunt!
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OK, gentlemen,
the gun was made in 1898, pair with ……..35
Restocked Nov. 1924 at Hollands
Weight 6,10
Choke
L= mod
R= Cyl.
Maybe the number 1 owner is interested to get the number 2…!?
Kind Regards,
Gunwolf
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Good discussion in this thread...perhaps one of the best since the days of Russ, Oscar, and Bill Wise, God bless'em. Mutual respect and sharing of collective wisdom. Thank you guys. mike
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