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Thanks for the info. I guess an OF (old fart) can still learn something new!!!

I have purchased nine shotguns from CSMC. Three original Win M21's and ordered six other new shotguns. Zero problems with CSMC or the guns. Customer service has been exemplary. Example: top barrel of an A-10 with 3000+ rounds through it had a 20% rate of piercing the primers ( on ONLY one brand of ammo). I personally took it back to them with the intention of leaving it for service. I was told to wait and they would see what needed to be done. Two hours later it was returned to me after the work and they had completely gone through the gun and test fired it (which I could hear going on) with more than a box of shells. New springs and other updates were installed. Zero cost to me. Buzz obviously had a very bad experience with them and understandably will no longer do any business with them. I, too, only have to be burned once.

Bill, I think your question has been answered more than once in this thread. Cost to produce determines whether you can stay in business, doesn't limit the price of the product. Tony won't price the product lower unless he expects higher sales volume to yield higher total profit. Clearly with the M-21 SxSs, he believes he's maximizing profit at his current intersection of price and sales volume. Why would he sell for less?

Jay

Jay, Not sure who answered my question? Looks like it turned into whether csms makes a good product or not. Regardless I think he would sell more SxS at 10g than 30g. Just my opinion. Bill

No doubt he would sell more if priced less. But he knows his business, and believes his profit is greater selling fewer at higher price than selling more at lower price. He doesn't think he'd sell enough at lower price to overcome the lower profit per gun.

Jay

He does sell more at ten grand than he does at thirty grand. What I can't understand is why Bill Grill waited until now to complain about the price of the Model 21. It seems like he is complaining about the low price of the over under after letting Tony have a pass for decades on the Model 21 side by side. I haven't seen many consumers complaining about the low price of consumer products. Bill is an exception.

Well the problem is I only just acquired an interest is SxS in the last few years. Also never heard of csmc before the last few years. I only wish a SxS Grand American was priced like the O/U.

Buzz,

You have not been shy about posting your views on various subjects. Nothing wrong with that as I myself have strong opinions & that is what this forum is about.

However,if you are going to comment on negative issues with CSMC to be fair to all parties you need to disclose the details. If you had a positive experience would you be reluctant to post the details?

As I indicated in my several posts on the 3/18/12 thread "Opinions wanted on CSMC Fox shotguns started by GW Smith" I am not a big fan of CSMC but I gave the factual details of my experiences to support my opinion as did others who voiced both negative & positive views of CSMC.

If you are not willing to support negative comments with the facts it's much better to keep the comments to yourself.

I really wish I could say exactly what happened; however, this is a public forum and it would be unwise for me to give specific details. I will say that a collector gun was misrepresented to me, but it was really no more misleading than the explanationCSMC has given to the general public in terms of the processes involved in the construction and manufacture of their Model 21 O/U, on their web site, which I showed proof of earlier in this thread. Apparently, this behavior is just business as usual for the folks at CSMC. And frankly, I don't take kindly to being mislead and have chosen to not do business with them again. Now, some of the people on this forum refer to this poor behavior as 'hype' or it's just 'marketing' and just sort of give CSMC a pass. Well, to me this 'hype' and 'marketing' represents dishonesty.......and I had a similar sentiment with the collector quality gun deal that I personally had with CSMC and therefore will not entertain a business deal with them again.

Bill, I think Charlie answered your question in the first reply. One is a Model 21 and the other isn't. Maybe the original "Winchester" stamps on the SxS while the O/U won't ever be stamped.