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This is a partial copy of a post made by Wonko over on the "Rip Off" thread. Rather than help beat that dead horse some more I started a new thread.
And, JIC you may not have noticed, that moronic usage of "water table" still is used by people who contend to know better. The proper term is
ACTION FLATS
Wonko can you give a reference that gives as fact the phrase "action flat" is the correct description and that "watertable" is wrong. While Morris Hallowell isn't known as an authority (I always found him knowledgeable) I did copy this from his website's extensive definition section: "Watertable - The top of the bar of the action, the flat projection on the front of the receiver of a side-by-side gun, perpendicular to the standing breech. The cocking arms, hingepin and locking bolts are typically mounted inside the bar, below the watertable. The Table, or the Action Flat." http://www.hallowellco.com/abbrevia.htmI have always used water table and action flat interchangeably, favoring watertable. Wonko nothing personal. Just hope to have a mildly interesting discussion of double gun definitions. Best, Mike
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We've gone through this before . The term "watertable" was used in U.S. catalogs long before Wonko the ?? was born. I guess he'd like to rewrite history. Look up the past posts on this subject.
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Wonko is probably correct. A Round-over Chamfer Watertable is a common feature of both English and Colonial Georgian architecture, and looks more like the standing breech with the wall forming the action flats (did I at least get that right  )  http://books.google.com/books?id=8roaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PT49&lpg
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Drew, I almost thought it was you who came up with the watertable term in an early, was it Ithaca, catalog. Hmmmm
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This is a partial copy of a post made by Wonko over on the "Rip Off" thread. Rather than help beat that dead horse some more I started a new thread.
And, JIC you may not have noticed, that moronic usage of "water table" still is used by people who contend to know better. The proper term is
ACTION FLATS
Wonko can you give a reference that gives as fact the phrase "action flat" is the correct description and that "watertable" is wrong. While Morris Hallowell isn't known as an authority (I always found him knowledgeable) I did copy this from his website's extensive definition section: "Watertable - The top of the bar of the action, the flat projection on the front of the receiver of a side-by-side gun, perpendicular to the standing breech. The cocking arms, hingepin and locking bolts are typically mounted inside the bar, below the watertable. The Table, or the Action Flat." http://www.hallowellco.com/abbrevia.htmI have always used water table and action flat interchangeably, favoring watertable. Wonko nothing personal. Just hope to have a mildly interesting discussion of double gun definitions. Best, Mike Needlessly describing use of the term "water table" as "moronic" already made it kind of personal ... as usual. Jay
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Mike, in the spirit of a mildly interesting discussion, suggesting that the use of the term water-table is "moronic" and by inference just should not be done, is the same as suggesting we would be moronic to use the term "tubes" when we are really talking about barrels.
Language is fluid. It changes, evolves. In this case, there is no right or wrong. Just two different terms that everyone knows refers to the same thing.
Now one reason, besides it being my native language, that I like English, is it's gigantic assortment of words from which to choose to construct the most accurate description of whatever idea is being communicated. The huge vocabulary allows for more nuance than most other languages, so I understand. So in that vein, can anyone point to any slight difference in the meaning of water-table and action flat or are they always, exactly referring to the identical part in an identical way.
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As far as the English language I like the symmetry of "barrel flats" and "action flats." Never noticed it until I read it in those old threads.
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